Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Come on.
This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill for Rage Rowdy podcast.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Outside the Round with me, Matt Burrill. Today, a very special guest, someone that is literally raised Rowdy family. Shout to out. She's been on the road at festivals with us. She's played a number of our events in town, and she has got her debut ep, Learn to live Out. Right now, it's our girl, Kinsley.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Hi, sis.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: How you doing?
[00:00:41] Speaker B: Thanks for having me.
[00:00:43] Speaker A: You kidding me? If I could have you on every podcast, I would seriously, like, you're literally a day one, homie. Like, from. We were just talking before we started, before we pressed the red button over there about our first time meeting you. And it was the first nothing fancy takeover of Razor out and Brownie on the row. Yeah. The OG Live Oak. And you were 19.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I was a baby. I was a baby. I had the X's on my hand and I had to leave the minute I was done playing. It's like, okay, go.
Okay, I'm going. And I remember all my friends from college came because it was my first writers round ever. And all my friends from college, we were all underage. They all came and they obviously couldn't get in. And they remember how the original live oak had the grass outside of it.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah, the patio.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: The patio. They let them sit, like, stand there. And so it's like a packed room. And then I see in the distance all my girlfriends, like, jumping to try and see over the sea of heads.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: Freaking out. Oh, my God. That was a wild night.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And that night, other folks that were playing, I mean, Ella was on there, Josh Ross was on there. Vincent Mason was on there. Vincent. That was Gavin Adcock's first writers round.
Isn't it crazy?
[00:02:00] Speaker B: It's so crazy to look back now because it's just like, in the moment. Back then, it made it to, like, it was my first writers round. I was a baby. I'm like, okay. And now it's like, whoa, yeah. High Bar. Oh, my God.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: And we're finally at the point. And you've been able. You put out pieces of me and you put out the acoustic version of the title track where we have been waiting. I don't think there's anyone that we have waited long, longer and been more excited about getting music out there than you.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: Thanks. It's been a long time coming.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: So how does it feel to have this EP coming out and to be signed to a label and to have this Team behind you.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: God. I mean, I feel like it equally feels like I've been doing this for years as it does, that it hasn't even happened yet.
I feel like I've been processing it all in slow motion and also just kind of checking boxes and just rolling.
But it is just so fulfilling to feel like I have a team around me that really understands me and doesn't try to change anything about who I am or just kind of lets me do my thing and lets me get all dark and twisty and weird and bipolar. Whiplash sounds and all the things. And they love it. They lean into it, and I'm just thankful for them. So it's just. It's been a blessing.
[00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're someone that I would definitely categorize. And it gets used a lot. But old soul, like, the fact that you are who you are and you're 22, kind of blows my. Blows my mind because, like, you are such an old soul. And that's something. That's a way that you've described yourself in other interviews and talking about your music and the honesty and the healing, the mental health aspects of it. But you love the rock out too, so talk about that a little bit.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think it all kind of stems from mental health for me, just because that is a huge part of my story and a huge part of me getting into music. And mental health is just ups and downs. It is the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. And I think that's why I am the way that I am with my music. I want to feel so alive, and I want the sound to be so full heavy rock and roll. Or I want it to be super stripped and super emotional and make me want to sob. And I think it's just because one, the music I grew up listening to and then also just like, where I pull from, I pull from a ton of emotion, which is always just going to be ups and downs.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And Learn to Live was one of the first songs that you had written when you got here to Nashville, right?
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I wrote it. It's about to turn four. Wow. I was about to turn four. I wrote it alone in my college Dorm at like 3 in the morning.
And my roommate was out of the house or the dorm, and I took that opportunity to write. She was in music too, and she had like. We would write with each other in the room. But I always kind of felt weird. Cause I felt like I was bothering her and I knew I wasn't, but. But I felt weird. Because I'm a people pleaser. And so I would wait until she would leave and she was out doing something. And I had the room, got it to myself. And so I was like, I'm gonna write a song. So I wrote Learn to Live. Absolutely hated it, shut my computer, went to bed, called it a night. And then months later, I was looking to post on social media, and I wanted to post an original because I'd had like. I think I had like 15,000 followers on TikTok. And it was just a bunch of covers. And I was like, okay, like, I'm kind of doing something, but I don't want to be the COVID girl. So I tried to post an original, and I couldn't pick. I couldn't find an original of what I had that wasn't like crazy depressing. Because at the time, that was all of the songs that I had been writing. And so I rediscovered Learn to Live and I fixed it and then posted it. And it's the catalyst for everything.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it seems like a song that is autobiography. Like an autobiography for you, like that you're really putting yourself out there. So, like, where were you at in your headspace when you wrote that? And then where were you at when you went back and fixed it?
[00:05:54] Speaker B: I mean, my headspace when I wrote Learn to Live was.
I was in a healing mode. I feel like I Learned to Live, like we've talked about. It's a mental health song. And I.
Back then four years ago, when I wrote the song, that chapter of my life where I went through my dark path and all the things that felt way more fresh back then when I wrote the song and it felt too fresh that I couldn't even write about it. So that was what prompted me to make it storytelling was because then I could bird's eye, view my own story and write about characters and tell my own story. But when I tried to write my own story, it wasn't working. I couldn't get.
I couldn't get it to make sense. I wasn't saying the right words. I was just looking at it way too close up.
And honestly, I think what my mindset, when I went back to fix it, however many months later, I think it's because when I went to fix it, I just didn't care as much. When I first wrote the song, I was overthinking it. Cause it was such a heavy topic for me. And I was so determined to get it right that I was thinking way too deeply into everything.
And then when I went back to fix It. I was more or less just sick of the song and I wanted to post something. I was like, okay. And I just started messing with it and I was like, good enough.
And I posted it when it was good enough. And now we're here.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's so much power in getting vulnerable with your songs and with your artistry. And like, you. Like you've talked about. We've talked about it before. The. The dark chapter. And you've spent time living in California, Texas, here in Tennessee, and you've lived quite a few different lives in your 22 years.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I think I'm a firm believer in product of your environment.
And I think even just listening to my music, it's pretty obvious that I had a ever shifting environment because my music is ever shifting.
[00:07:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: I'm constantly just like changing and trying new genres and doing new things. And I think just because that's the life that I grew up in.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're also a woman of faith. And we talked about that when we tried to sit down to do this the first time. But kind of take us back to that. You had told the story of when you were. I forget how old you were, but it involved you being up in a tree.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And it's actually the backstory to the song Waiting Room. And it's also how I got into music in the first place. Really.
Very long story short, I was 11 and I was climbing a tree. It was on Halloween. I was hanging a decoration and the branch broke and I mean, I broke my neck, my skull. It was a whole situation. My. I was very physically injured, but I walked out of that accident honestly more mentally damaged and emotionally damaged than physically. Even though my body was physically a mess.
I just walked out of that. So dark. And I went into that accident Christian, and walked out of it telling myself I was atheist.
I was just angry. I was an atheist. I was just really mad.
But I didn't understand that at the time. I was 11 years old. So having lost God in that moment, I lost my foundation and my roots. And I needed something.
I was desperate for something. I was so in such a down spot. I just could not comprehend how bad things happen to good people. The weight of that question was just like overpowering me.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: You see that. People see that every day.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: Every day.
[00:09:27] Speaker A: It's one of the hardest parts about having faith is being bad things and tragic events happening to people that don't deserve it.
[00:09:33] Speaker B: Exactly. And it's like I had to come up with a hypothetical years later, that helped me process through the whole thing.
Cause it took me many years to regain my relationship with God. And when I was struggling, I ended up turning to music. And that was what picked me up out of that dark spot. And that's what prompted me to want to chase music as a career. I didn't grow up wanting to be Hannah Montana. I was actually a soccer player. And then I.
I basically got saved by music. I mean, God saved my life, but he used music as the vessel to do it. And so it was a very jarring moment for an 11 year old to realize just how therapeutic what songs is
[00:10:14] Speaker A: 11 year old kinsley listening to in that saving process.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: One song that did it. It was one song and it was Fight Song by Rachel Platten.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: It was the year it came out. I was listening on, I think I was on a Pandora station, I think. And it just came up and I just started sobbing. I remember I was lying on the ground in my room with my neck brace on and I'm just like. And I just started crying and I was a mess.
But yeah, my God, I'm thankful for it. I mean, it's a lot. And it took me a long time to be able to talk about it. Waiting Room is the only song I've ever written about it. That's the only one I will ever write about it because I think I've said everything I need to say.
[00:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
But yeah, Waiting Room to me is the. And we were fortunate enough for myself, Nick and Ike have been able to listen to this thing for a little while, all the way through. And Waiting Room, you wrote it with Scott Depot, Scott Stepikoff and Clara park, two incredible writers in town.
So talk about the room that day. To be writing a song about that part of your life, that moment that was so pivotal and something you don't like to talk about. Like, how do you get vulnerable like that with. With those two folks?
[00:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, the writing process for Waiting Room was kind of accidental and I think that's what made it work. I came into the room with the idea, but.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: Excuse me, we're coughing. I got double double Zemo is 8 milligrams.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: You are good.
I came into the room with the idea and I had the idea for a song called Waiting Room from the perspective of a nurse talking about how she sees the best and the worst moments in people's lives. Yeah.
[00:12:01] Speaker A: So true.
[00:12:02] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, it's. Heaven and hell are literally just staring at each other in four walls and it's Crazy. And that was the direction of the song. I was not even remotely thinking about my accident at all.
And the write was like, seven hours. It was a long day.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: Because we get through most of it.
And I'm pretty sure it was Scott that called me out, and he basically asked where I was pulling from, because I think it was very obvious to him that I was writing from a place of experience and not empathy. And so he was like, what's. What's happening in your brain? Like, where are you pulling all these? Because I'm just, like, spitting lines. I know exactly what to say. I was there. So I'm just, like, rapid firing. And they're like.
And I sit and I take the time and I tell them the full story. And we just, like, really get into all the details of it.
And they both were just like. I mean, well, if it's okay with you, I think we'd be dumb not to incorporate it. I was like, yeah. I mean, I've tried to write about it before, and it doesn't work, but let's do it. And it ended up being perfect. I'm gonna change the thing.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: And I love the way that you talk about the different phases of what goes on in a hospital.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: Like, you have the. The dad holding his little baby, and you have the people waiting on that good news and. And the being in the little chapel area and praying. Like, it really. It really paints that visual for. Because we've all been in a waiting room waiting for something, whether it be good, good news, bad news, praying for the good news, you know?
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:32] Speaker A: And I love that it's sitting right in the middle of the project, too. Like, I love that it's. It's track three on there.
And then, I mean, you talk about, like, personal songs. Someone Prayed For Me has to be another. Another one, right?
[00:13:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Someone Prayed For Me is actually written about a true story.
[00:13:50] Speaker A: Really?
[00:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
99. True story.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: We'll call that a true story. 99.
Pretty dang.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: Because it. It's. I mean, the whole concept is that Someone Prayed for Me. And the only difference in. I'll just tell you the story.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Yeah, do it. We want all the Kinsley stories.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: The story behind Someone Prayed For Me was that I.
I went to church one day. I went alone, and I had a buddy of mine who was going through a really hard time, and I told myself that I was going to dedicate this service to him. I was like, this is for him. Like, God, just please pick them up out of this. Like, ignore all of My other prayers. This service is for him. And we're in the middle of the service, and I kid you not, the woman in front of me turns around and goes, I feel like you have someone in your life I need to pray for. Can I pray for you? I was like, what, do I have it written on my forehead?
I was in shock. I was like, that's not real. This happens in movies. This doesn't happen to me.
That's weird.
And then end of service rolls around in the, like, the church, like, the elders at the front, like, where it's like, they'll go up and you can go and get prayers if you need it. They're standing up at the front, and they never really call people out because they're just.
They're there if you need them, but they're not trying to, like, force you to need them. But for whatever reason, I'm walking by and one of the guys goes, do you need me to pray for somebody? I'm sitting here like, how? What is happening? And I go over to him, and then we pray for. We pray for him. And it just. It was just the weirdest experience. And I walked out of that. That service, and I pulled out my notes app and I wrote, someone prayed for me today. And I think we wrote it within, like, two weeks after that, we got in the room and it was born. And I was like, perfect.
[00:15:36] Speaker A: Wow. And Chase McDaniel and Clara on that one.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: Yeah, another Clara one.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: And Chase is just such a beast.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:15:44] Speaker A: He's, like, the quietest dude.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And then he just, like, rips absolute bars, and I'm just like, yeah, he's awesome.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Talk about, like, the crew of guys and girls that you've built friendships with, both working and just having a support system around you, because you seem to have such a cool squad that is such a wide range of, like, different friend groups. All ages, too. Like, some guys and girls that have been here for a while, some that came here around the same time that you did. So, like, talk about, like, your squad that you like writing with and just hanging with.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, truly, I credit the relationships that I have in this town to raise Rowdy.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: Well, we appreciate that, like, truly.
[00:16:27] Speaker B: I was actually just talking about it in a write today. I was writing with a girl who is, like, relatively newer to town, and I was saying, I was like, you just gotta go to the raise Rowdy events. I was like, that is the place to go to network. And I have met all of my favorite people that I've ever met. I either met because of college or raise rowdy. Like, my favorite people in Nashville are because of that. And it's just like, all of my favorite collaborators that I've worked on. Ryan Cohn, who produced Pieces of Me.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: What a him.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Because.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: And it's funny because he was one of our guys that was like a regular. And now he's so busy working on your stuff, working on everybody's stuff. He's like, dude, I can't get out of the studio. I'd love to complain. Like, dude, that's a good problem to have.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: That is a great problem to have all these people. I mean, it really is like, such a wide net. It's such a wide range. I mean, my best friend Avery, I met her at Belmont, but she's in music, too. She's on the management side.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: Fantastic individual, by the way. Love her. Love Jack. Love the whole crew.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: The whole crew. I mean, everyone is just, like, such quality people across the board. And it's so nice to not only have found a crew of people that I love to write with, but also a crew of people that are just good human beings. And I don't even write with all of them, just friends with them. Like, there's so many writers that I'm friends, like Jack Rotten and I. One of my best friends. We've never written a song ever, and I don't think we will. We're just vibing. We're just friends, like. And it's just. It's just funny. And I mean, that's just Nashville, and I love it.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Can I talk about my favorite. You meeting somebody at a round?
[00:18:03] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: It was at. When we were over at Duck Blind back in the day.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: And it was when you were sitting, watching Jade somebody on stage.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Jade?
[00:18:13] Speaker A: No.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: Oh. Cause I was losing my mind when I first saw her at Douglas.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: Well, Jade. But I'm talking about Carter.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
I go to Jade.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Well, Jade is awesome, too. Shout out to Jade Joyce. We love Jade. Her voice is.
[00:18:32] Speaker B: I remember the first time I heard Jade, like, live in person was Duckblind. And I'm sorry. Sitting here, like, losing my mind.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: Do you remember who was that? The one where we had her up there with Shelby.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: That might have been a full band.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Oh, it was a full. Full band.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: I'd ever heard her live. I had only ever seen her social media. And, like, I obviously had heard Keith and Matt talk about her. And so I was just like, okay, I know who she is. But that was the first time live. That's What I thought you were gonna say because I was actually losing my mind.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Cuz you and Avery would just. Would. Would just come out and just be at like all the events and just watching everybody constant.
But the night that you met Carter o' Brien and I had him playing on around and you pulled me aside and you were like, who's that? And I was like, that's my boy, Carter. And then I got Carter when we got him off the stage, I was like, hey, I got somebody I want you to meet.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: I didn't know that.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: And then I motioned over to you, he was like, who's that? And I was like, it's Kinsley. Y' all should be friends.
Oh my God.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: I didn't know that part of the story.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: I was like, y' all should be friends.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: That's so funny. He ignored that, what you said because I had to approach.
So funny. Oh my God. Dude. Raise Rowdy and then tailgate.
Tailgates. It's a razor outy story. It. The whole entire thing. It's a raised rowdy story.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: And it's funny because I've known Carter. I remember when him and Aiden first moved to town because that was when we were still over at Live Oak. And it was like they had just moved there or just moved here. And it was like Thanksgiving. I was still. I. I didn't go home for Thanksgiving that year. They didn't go home. So I took him out to Red Door, like Thanksgiving weekend because everybody was out of town and friggin Bailey Zimmerman happened to be there hanging out. And I introduced Aiden and Carter to Bailey Zimmerman, and Carter was like, bro, I'm an Illinois guy too. That they ended up out on the patio at Red Door with. With Bailey and I for hours, bonding, bonding, bonding. Yeah.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: Which Midwestern boys.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: And that was like 20, 21. That was before I was doing Raised Rowdy.
[00:20:26] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's crazy. Something we realized when we were talking about the first ever round that I did with y', all, the nothing fancy takeover and everything we discovered. Because Carter obviously used to bartend at the original Live Oak. Yeah, he used to work with his buddy Jace.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Jace and Carter, they now are still like off working together and still friends.
[00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: We discovered when I met Jace, I was telling the story about like when I had played at Live Oak demumbrian, because he was trying to see if maybe there's a crossover. And we figured out that Jace was the one that allowed my little sister in for my first riders round.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: She was working the door.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: She was the one that got permission to handle all that. And then we also figured out that they did most of their shifts together, and Carter was probably behind the bar.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: He was probably in the room for my first writers round with y', all, chances are we had that whole realization.
Crazy. That's Nashville.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: That's Nashville. But that's also just the world and the universe and the plan of it all absolutely connecting, isn't it?
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:21:31] Speaker A: Isn't it just crazy, the moments and the way that this town is. And so when did you move here? Was. And so it was Belmont. When would your freshman year have been?
[00:21:40] Speaker B: Four years ago.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: So 2022.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: 2022.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: It's a great time to come to this town.
[00:21:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: That was, like, when we had the ball rolling with our stuff.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: That was great. Well, that was when I. I moved to town in 2022.
I started working in town in, like, early 2021, because we.
We would drive. My mom and I would drive once a month from. Because we were, like, 10 hours away in Texas. So, I mean, that sounds a little crazy, but when you do it once a month, it's not bad. We would drive once a month, and we would stay here for a week out of every month, and I would write songs, and all of these songs are so bad. But I. I was working in town for, like, damn near a year before I actually moved here. So by the time I moved here, I already kind of had, like, a footprint in the writer's world, even though all the songs were trash. But you kind of got to do that to figure out who the hell you are.
[00:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: So four years living here, I'd say five years working here. That's crazy.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: So you started coming out here when you were 18?
[00:22:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah, 17.
[00:22:48] Speaker A: 17.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: I remember getting.
I would get picked up from my hotel by my writers, and they would drive me to wherever I went to someone's signing party.
So, like, what's so funny is. Is I'm not gonna say names, because I. I, to this day, still don't know them. And so it's kind of awkward. But I.
I was writing with somebody, and she was like, you should come. My buddy just signed his first publishing deal. He's throwing a party. You should come. It'd be great networking for you. And I'm, like, 17 years old, and I'm like, yeah, sure.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: This is the coolest thing ever. Absolutely.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: A signing party. Wow. And I'm so excited. It's, like, in his home, there's, like, maybe 20 people. It's like everyone's In a costume for a theme. Like, it is very, like intimate and I know nobody.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: I'm just there in normal clothes.
17 year old wandering around. And I mean, everyone was so sweet, but I was like, oh my God, what am I doing here?
[00:23:50] Speaker A: What's it like being that young? Coming to town too? Because we see it all the time where we still get, we still get, we still get 18, 19 year olds that come out and play our rounds. Like, I remember when guys like Kenny Whitmire were under 21 coming in with the X's on their hands at Live Oak. But what's it like? Try, like, do you feel like there's an extra thing to kind of prove yourself? That I'm a kid, but I'm good at this thing too.
[00:24:14] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. I mean, there, there's two sides of that one. It's I'm a kid, but I wouldn't say good at it, but I'm figuring it out and I have the potential to be good at it.
And then there's also, I'm a kid. At least for me. This was my experience is I'm a kid, but I haven't been through nothing. I'm not singing made up things. Like, I'm.
That was something I always used to run into when I was like teenager younger and writing songs and playing them out is people. It's just like, man, like, so cool how you can pull from things like that and just like put yourself in people's shoes. And I'm like, no, like that. That was my story. And they're like, you're 17.
I'm like, yeah.
And I think that was probably one of the biggest things for me was just like when I was younger, proving that I have something to say and that I'm not just some teenager that's wanting to sing about the boy that broke up with me after a month. It's like, no, there's actually more things, real true things that I want to say when, I mean, I'm probably guilty of it too. I probably look at a 17 year old and I'm probably thinking to myself, live some more life. But that's just not a fair statement. And that was definitely something I had to battle.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And you talk about a breakup. You have an awesome feature with Caitlin Smith with Cold July.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: Take me through how that all came to be. And you got Gordie Sampson and Lauren Hungate on there too, who are both like the, the writers that are on here are just all incredible.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It was that day was one of my favorites.
The write was actually with Gordy and Lauren, and there was a schedule, so screw up. And then Caitlyn got thrown in, but we didn't know until she walked in. And the minute she walked in, I knew who she was. I was like, oh, my God, it's Caitlin Smith. Like, oh, my God, oh, my God, I'm gonna lose my mind because it's Caitlin Smith.
And it ended up being the biggest blessing in the world for this. Right? I mean, I.
Nobody knew. And it was just like a scheduling thing. They happen.
And my God, as we wrote the song, she was singing harmonies. We cut the demo and she was singing harmonies. And it just. It her vocal and melody choices, my God, she just. It made the song. And when the time came around for me to actually cut it, it was just a no brainer that I needed her on the track. Like, I just needed it. That was easily my favorite part of the entire song. And it might just be because I'm such a fan of her, but I was just honored when she agreed to be a feature on it.
[00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Where's the experience behind Cold July?
I mean, is that a story song or what?
[00:26:52] Speaker B: There isn't a specific person that I could pin to it or a specific story, But I can definitely think of many moments in my life where there's this melancholy longing and this lack of understanding as to why someone had to say goodbye. And it could be breakup love song. It could also be something. Someone who passed away. It could also be a friendship breakup. Like, there's just so many different layers to it. And I've definitely experienced the feelings in this song many times. The specific storyline.
No, but the feelings. Yeah.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: Yeah. That's awesome. And I love the title of it too. It's just so freaking cool.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Cold July. I think that was. I think that was Gordy's title.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: That sounds like a Gordy title, I'm pretty sure.
[00:27:39] Speaker B: And if it's not, I'm so sorry to Lauren and Caitlin. I love you so much. I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I know. It wasn't mine. It was not mine.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: What made you want to put Pieces of Me out as, like, the first? Your introduction of Kinsley music being out there.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: I felt like Pieces of Me was a perfect introduction just because it showed multiple sides of my sound. It starts really stripped down and then it gets really big and then it goes into, like, kind of like a metal groove halftime bridge, which is just my favorite stuff ever. And I give people a lot of ear candy in that sonically with the production. But I also felt like it was a really good introduction lyrically because I wanted to kind of get out of the way right out the gate, that I tend to lean more poetic with my lyrics. And not everything is going to make the most sense, but it does to me and my twisted little mind. So I wanted to get that out of the way ahead of time versus coming out with something that was maybe a little bit more digestible to the ears. And then when I do something that is more poetic, people are thrown off. So that was honestly, like, one of the biggest things for me. I also just think it was fitting because pieces of me. It's a song about growing up. It's a letter to Time. And if anything, I mean, time has played such a major role in my career so far. I mean, it's just like. It just made a lot of sense. All the ducks lined up for this to be the song.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the one track five on here that I've been listening to non stop. And I know Nick has as well, Whiplash, where it's just this ridiculous rocking thing. And I remember you, you were at Odie's playing, playing around recently, and you were like, I don't know how to do the guitar.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: Well, I wasn't planning on. I had never played it. When I played it at that round, I had never played it aside from, like, practicing in my condo, like, maybe twice. But when Matt Burrell tells you to play a song, play a song.
[00:29:31] Speaker A: I was like, dude, he's like, gotta play this.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: And like, at this point, I'm like, you're like family. And you look at me and you're like, I'm so in love with it. I play it every day. And then over the mic, you're like, I hope she plays it tonight. And I look at Carter and I'm like, oh, I have to play it.
[00:29:44] Speaker A: I have to play it.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: But it ended up working out. It ended up. It ended up being great.
But that was. That was for you.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. My other. My other moment of when we were at. You are famous in Bloomington, Illinois, at that karaoke bar. I forget the name of it.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: Lunders Wonders.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: Lunders Wonders. I think it's Lunders Shout out Lunders in Bloomington, because you were up there singing simple man and Nikki T. Looked at you and was like. Like, Kinsley, sing. Yeah.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: He was like, quit fucking around. I was like, okay, okay.
He just like hopped the octave, sang the harmony, did something, and the whole
[00:30:23] Speaker A: bar just turned and the girl running karaoke Was. I remember her chasing, like, chasing down the street.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: I mean, it was set up like a movie because it's like, I don't know. I'm being signed up. Y' all sign me up. I'm, like, panicked, freaking out. My stage fright kicks in. I walk up on stage. I. We had just had a long drive up to Illinois. I'm, like, disheveled and, like, shaking, holding the microphone, and I'm like, I didn't know I was signed up for this. And I sing the first half of the song, and the male key super low, and people are like, oh. And Mickey T.
Just is like.
And then I just start screaming.
It was literally like something out of a movie. And the whole bar freaked out. Oh, my God, it was so funny.
I. I will have to go back to that bar anytime I'm in Bloomington. I have to.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: Yeah, we. We definitely will have to make. Have to make a return, which is going to be.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: Have to sing Simple Man.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Or. Or honestly, I mean, you're going to go back there one day and people are going to be singing your dang songs.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: Won't that be crazy?
[00:31:26] Speaker A: I mean, it could. It's honestly, I remember saying. I remember joking around because we used to go to karaoke bars on the road when Ella was opening up for us. When I was out with Trey, I was like, sis, one day they'll be singing your.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Now everyone's in Texas. I can tell.
It's awesome. It's awesome.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Isn't it crazy, like, watching. Watching folks go. And that's got to give you excitement for being where you're at in your journey right now. You've got a big weekend coming up. Going out with Avery Anna, which is such a perfect pairing.
[00:31:57] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I'm so excited.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: Where are these shows at?
[00:31:59] Speaker B: Indiana Shipshawn. Indiana. It's a one off. Hell, yeah. I'm so excited. I am such a genuine fan of this girl. My God, she's so good.
It's just. I could not be more excited to open for an artist.
[00:32:11] Speaker A: And I. And I think that there's a lot of relatability there where. Because her introduction to us was through. Was through. Narcissists was through. Yeah. And it was a lot of slow mental health talking about things that she had gone through growing up in Arizona. And then we start seeing this rock side out of her. And that to me, describes.
Yeah. Like, that's your sis right there.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Absolutely. She totally gets it. I love it. I love it.
[00:32:40] Speaker A: So I think that's going to be that's going to be a perfect, like. And that'll be one of the first shows you've gotten to do out of town, right?
[00:32:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I've only ever done one other run, and that was last year with Maggie Antone for three days, which is another great. Which is also so much fun. I mean, I was such a baby. It was the first time I'd ever done anything.
And, yeah. I mean, that run was the first time I remember playing a show and not feeling like I blacked out. Like, I got off stage and I was like, oh, my God, I did great.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. And that's never. I walk off stage and I go, how did I do? Because I'm just, like, blacked out, like, not thinking straight for right now. I mean, the more reps that I get into playing live, that'll be a different story. But at the moment, I'm just scared, and so I just kind of black out. I. I've seen videos, and I. I know I put on a good show. You would never know.
I know.
And I actually. I don't know. I don't remember.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Are writers rounds tough when you're first starting out? Because it's just you and your guitar? Like, I've heard people say it's the most scary thing ever. It's terrifying from guys and girls, like, from everybody that hasn't done it before. They're like, this is because it's. The whole room's just dialed on you.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
Riders rounds are terrifying. There's something about.
Yes. You and a guitar. It's so stripped back. It's so vulnerable. You screw up, you screwed up. Everyone heard it. But also the timing of taking turns. When do I introduce myself? What song do I play? What if I play something really sad and then they do something upbeat and then they get the crowd going and I made everyone depressed. What if this? What if that? And it's just.
There's so many unknown factors to playing a writer's round. Something about it is just.
Is so scary.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: And then one day it isn't. And then one day it is the most comfortable, fun thing. Like, I used to be terrified of them now. I mean, it's like, easy. Love it. So much fun. It's a blast. And I'm sure a big part of that is also just like my relationship with y' all now. But it's just. It's so much fun.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: And I think. I think a lot of it has to do with who you're up there with, too. And I think as I've seen it go where like the first pass through, you can tell people are uncomfortable and then they, they start to connect with one another and then that's when it gets fun. Like when you were talking about Jade, I remember we had Jade and Shelby on one together and they had never. And they had never. And they had never met. And they met that night.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Did they know what each other sounds like?
[00:35:09] Speaker A: I think so. They had to have power of the Internet. We had the two of them and Ry Davis, who's another, another belter and that we got through the first pass through. And Shelby Ray just said in the mic for like, holy, we can all.
This is going to be fun. Like, we got people that can sing.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: Oh my God, that's awesome.
Oh, what a dream lineup. That's insane.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's fun too when you have folks that correct with each other that are friends with each other. Like, if I have you up there with, like we had you up there with Carter and Grant. It was freaking awesome.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: So much fun.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: Have you. If you're, if you're up there with. Even though you don't write with him, with Jack Rowton, like that's your buddy or Jack Hummel, you know, Fun.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: It's. It, like the community element of Nashville is one of my favorite things.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:52] Speaker B: It's just, it's great. I mean, it's, it's a double edged sword because it's also like small town. Like, can't really keep anything to yourself too, because everybody knows everybody.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: Yeah. But I wouldn't trade it. Like, I wouldn't. I love that it feels like a small town. I love how everybody knows everybody and everybody knows everybody's business and it's just, it's just a very close and community driven environment and it just brings me a lot of joy.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Now, where in town do you like hanging out these days?
[00:36:20] Speaker B: Honestly, I am obsessed with the Wedgwood, Houston area. And I might be biased because that's the area I live.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:26] Speaker B: And I can walk.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: It's growing a ton.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Oh, it's crazy.
[00:36:30] Speaker A: Like, it's insane.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: It's insane. I lived there three plus years ago and we moved out because it was unsafe and it was so dangerous and it was so bad and we moved out, never looked back. Now I'm back in that area and I'm like, what happened?
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Where did all these, where did all these bars come from? Where?
[00:36:48] Speaker B: The soccer designers stores. Like, what's happening? It's crazy. Oh, my God. It's insane. And I, I'm there. I mean, Sushi row down there. I'm just. It's so good. Never, Never. I'm like, I'm good. I got everything I need. I got a dive bar. I got a sushi restaurant.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: You got multiple venues now with the Pinnacle. The Pinnacle will be in there. The truth's about to open up.
Stadiums right there. Yeah.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: Huge. Awesome. Yeah. So budget Houston or Midtown? I will forever be.
[00:37:15] Speaker A: Do you go over to east at all? Do you Skinny Dennis at all?
[00:37:19] Speaker B: Sometimes I struggle with getting over there because I don't know what it is about east, but I feel like I'm, like, leaving the country when I drive there. Like, it is the most excruciating drive for some reason, even though it's not that far.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: Freaking three miles.
[00:37:33] Speaker B: It's not that far. But I know I'm not crazy because I've talked to other people about this that live, like, in more, like, Western or, like, Southern.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: I get it from my buddies that live in east being like, hey, dude, we'd love to come, but your event's all the way in Midtown. I'm like, what do you mean, all the way in Midtown?
[00:37:50] Speaker B: I don't know what. I don't know if it's that. That highway specifically. That is just. I'm rattling. Yeah, I don't know. Shut up. I don't know if it's the highway specifically or what it is, but I literally feel like I am, like, designating an hour and a half of driving time to get there, and I' trekking cross country and entering a brand new world and struggling to find parking.
I won't do it.
I don't do it.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: You don't do it.
[00:38:16] Speaker B: I do occasionally.
Like, I mean, a buddy just had a birthday thing out there. I went for that. Like, I'll be out, like, basement East Sea shows there and stuff, but just like, a casual, let's grab a drink.
I mean, call me an old lady, but I like to keep it local so I can just kind of wander my way home whenever I want.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that's. That's very understandable.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: And save money. Ubers are expensive.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: Ubers are very expensive, and Ubers to
[00:38:41] Speaker B: East are so expensive.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: For no reason.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: For no reason.
[00:38:44] Speaker A: Because they're scared of that highway.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: You could probably. They're scared a cheaper Uber to Franklin than you could to East Nashville.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: Oh, we got to try that one time.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: We should. We should. We could also race at rush hour. Who gets there first?
[00:38:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I think Franklin would win, honestly. Yeah. Going down.65.
Going down. Murphys Dude.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: Like, I think. Yeah, I think that's the next Ray's rowdy video.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: That might be it.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: You have someone sitting. Sitting in the trunk of the car singing.
[00:39:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I've. See, I've wanted to interview somebody in a Waymo.
I want to get, like, a country. I haven't been in one, but I'm terrified. I want to get, like, a. Like, I thought about doing it with Brantley Gilbert. I was like, imagine. I got, like, the most, like, badass, like, backwoods redneck ass dude, and I stuck him in a car without a driver and tried to have a conversation with him for 10 minutes.
[00:39:34] Speaker B: I don't know if he'd do it.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: I don't think he would.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: I wouldn't. I'm terrified.
I will not.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: No, Ike loves them. No, Ike goes in them all the time. Ike's a big Waymo.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: Wrong.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: That might be because he's. Because he's from Seattle, and they've had him out there, and he went to asu, so he spends time in Arizona where they have them. Yeah, but I've been. That's been something in my mind where I'm like, imagine me and Gavin Adcock in a Waymo.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: I. No, I can't.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Person. You can think of Tracy Lawrence in a Waymo.
That'd be. Must see YouTube.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: My God. It's just not.
Oh, they scare me, dude. And, like, I mean, I've heard so many great stories. Like, it's so much safer without the driver. And, like, it's safer. The human element. But, I mean, I just saw a video of one of them running over fireworks in the middle of the street,
[00:40:30] Speaker A: and I was like. And when they first came to Nashville, never. They were getting stuck down in Printer's Alley. It was like that little alleyway, like, by the Boogie Bar.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: There's just so many videos I've seen of, like. I've seen a video of, like, six of them going around a cul de sac like this, and they're like, what's happening? And it's like. Like, the video with the fireworks is so funny because it's film from the. Well, there's multiple angles. I've seen multiple angles. I've seen people from rooftops watching it happen. I've seen people from the street, and I've seen people in the car, and everything ended up being okay. But it was fourth of July, and some. Someone just, like, lit fireworks in the middle of the road as people do. And the Waymo drove over it as it was launching, and you can hear the people, they're like, Waymo. No. Waymo.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: No.
[00:41:16] Speaker B: It cracks me up when they call it by name.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: Waymo. Yeah. Cause there's. You can't.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: Like, the traffic videos are like, Waymo. Mo.
[00:41:22] Speaker A: You can't say, hey, Justin, stop driving.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: No, it's Waymo. It's Person. I mean, it's not, but it is
[00:41:28] Speaker A: how far we've come from, like, the robotic vacuum cleaners.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: Oh, the Roombas.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: We've gone from Roombas to Waymos.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: I was. I was actually just thinking about a Roomba the other day because my family used to have one, and I was like, maybe I need to get myself one of those.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: Yeah, my girlfriend used to have one. I forget, what did she call it? Mister. She called it mister something, and her little girl Charlotte would call it by the name, like, Mister. It's like Mr. Wiggles or Mr. Snuffles or something.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: We called. We called ours Wally.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Wally.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: It was Wally. Best great movie of the.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: Of the. Of the three states that you've lived, which one's been your favorite? I know you had darker chapters and some other ones versus, like, being here in Tennessee, but.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I.
God, that's so tricky.
I mean, I'd probably have to say Tennessee because I'm. My favorite version of myself here.
[00:42:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Well, you Tennessee or Tennessee for me.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you evolve as you go. But I feel like in your. In your songwriting and you can hear kind of the influence of the life you've lived. Even, like, despite all the bad times, like, you picked up on good things from it. Like.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Oh, for sure.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: You pick up on the mentality of. Of Texas and the country part of that. And then you also have those vibes that are out in California and knowing how to enjoy a sunny day and all that.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: Where in Cali were you?
[00:42:51] Speaker B: I was all Southern California. I was in, like, six cities in Southern California. Oh, wow. Yeah. I even. Even, like, within states, I was bouncing.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: So I. It was all Southern California.
But what's so funny about this is when I lived in California, Southern California at that, because, like, there's country and there's farms in Northern California, and they exist in Southern California, too. It's just not as popular and not talked about.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: And more east.
Going towards Nevada.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Yes.
I actually. I mean, I rode horses my whole life. I rode western. I did vaulting. I went barrel racing. Like, I did the full thing when I lived in California, and.
And when I lived in Texas, the closest thing I did to rodeo was that I was. I worked at Boot Barn. Like, I. And it's just really funny to me because it's like my first introduction into the world of country music and this lifestyle that I just fell in love with was when I was young in Southern California, living in a little beach town. And then I'd go and I'd spend my days writing Western and enjoying the rodeo world and working on this ranch. And I was just like, this is everything. Like. And I remember I'd have, like, existential crisises as, like a 13 year old, and I'd just be sitting, like, looking in the mirror and, like, it'd be in, like, boots and a cowboy hat with the beach through the window, and I'd be like, who am I?
[00:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: So upset.
So, I mean, like, there's a lot of California that I'm really thankful for.
I mean, at the end of the day, like, I was born there and it's where my dad's from. So, yeah, he.
There's, like, there's a lot of good in California. All my dark chapters were also there, though. So it's like Texas was healing. I'm very thankful for Texas. It was a clean slate.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: And where were you in Texas?
[00:44:42] Speaker B: Frisco. Texas, Northeast.
[00:44:44] Speaker A: Okay. Same place as Grace.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: Grace Tyler.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I actually went to high school with Grace's little cousin, Katie.
[00:44:49] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:44:50] Speaker B: I knew Grace's existence before I moved to town because when I graduated, Katie was like.
Because we're the same class. Katie was like, oh, my cousin Grace is in Nashville and she's doing country music. Like, if you. If you're out there, like, when you go, like, maybe try and find her and say hi, I was like, yeah, I will.
Here we are, full circle. It's like, yeah. So crazy. So, yeah, same place.
And. Yeah. I mean, circling back to your question about my favorite place, it's just. I'm thankful for all of them. I would have to say Tennessee.
[00:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: Because I'm the most settled here. And I feel like I really found who I am here.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: That's how. That's how I feel too. Like coming from New York. I have Statue of Liberty, my. My Yankees. One of my poor, poor Ron Gidry here is missing an arm. I don't know where his. Where his pitching arm went.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: He's Bethany Hamilton.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: Who?
[00:45:38] Speaker B: Bethany Hamilton.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Who's that?
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Matt? You've never seen Soul Surfer?
[00:45:44] Speaker A: No.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: You have homework.
[00:45:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: You have homework. That's crazy.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: I've never seen. Is that the girl that got her arm bit off by the. Yes.
[00:45:54] Speaker B: By the shark. She's a surfer. She's Like a pro surfer.
[00:45:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I've. No, I've.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: Dude, that movie's so good.
[00:46:00] Speaker A: Okay. I'll have to check it out.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: A childhood favorite of mine. I think I've seen it, like, twice every year up till now. Like, wow. Like, as an adult, I. It's. You have to watch it.
[00:46:10] Speaker A: Okay, I will have to watch it.
[00:46:11] Speaker B: She's got one arm because the shark bit it off and then.
[00:46:15] Speaker A: But she still keeps surfing because she's a badass.
[00:46:17] Speaker B: She's a pro surfer. She's incredible. You have homework.
[00:46:20] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Anyways, continue.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: But New York. But I was saying, like.
Like, growing up, like, I loved being in New York, but I've. I'm coming up on now 8 years of being here, so it's like, I moved here when I was 23.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:35] Speaker A: Which it's crazy that I moved here when I'm. And I'm still. I moved here older than you are right now, which is wild. But I really, like, found myself and, like, have grown up so much in my years of living here and even lived through chapters of being here, you know, to where it's like, if I was asked, like, you would turn around and ask me that question, I would say, probably Tennessee for me, too. Because it's like, we're getting to live out our dreams here.
[00:46:59] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: You know, and we're around such a support system and.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: My God. Yeah. My God. And there's something so cool about growing up where it's like, you have the power to look at your life and be like, who do I want to be?
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: And then do it. Like, growing up is terrifying, but it's also just so exciting because it's like, if you just, like, look at yourself as a ball of clay, it's like, who am I? Who do I want to be? What do I want to do with my life? What kind of person do I want to be? And what kind of life do I want to lead? And you can just do whatever you want. You can move your ass to Tennessee, you can move your ass to Connecticut. You can do whatever your heart desires. And it's just so exciting to me. And so it makes complete sense that it's like, I'm sure we're not alone in this thought process that you just feel the most at home at the place where you feel like your soul is the most at home.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And if. If it didn't feel like home for some reason, I'd be back in New York right now. You'd be back in Texas.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: You know, like, exactly. There's always those spots there. It's like, where. Where frogs jumping on, like, lily pads. You could always go back, you know, but we found our. Our spots of where we're supposed to be in this life, you know, which is. Which is freaking awesome. What do you like doing when you. I know you're busy. You're busy right now. Like, right now. You were saying this is, like, the busiest chapter, which is what you've been praying for. But. But when you don't have music stuff going on, what do you like doing?
[00:48:17] Speaker B: Anything outside, really. I'm a huge outdoors person. I need it for my sanity. I'm a huge believer in touch grass. Like, it. You got to touch grass, dude.
Anything outside, hiking, walking my dog, even literally just sitting in the sun. Any opportunity to be outside and cooking. I've been really into cooking recently.
[00:48:39] Speaker A: I feel like I heard this from Carter, because I think Carter, has he gotten into cooking too? Yes, Because I've heard him talk about,
[00:48:45] Speaker B: like, bro, I cook this dude, like, really into it. And I used to. I used to not like cooking.
I've always been good at it because my mom's an incredible cook and she taught me. But I used to not enjoy it unless I was cooking for other people, too. Something about putting all this effort in just for myself. And, like, maybe I need to, like, give myself more than that.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: It's the people pleaser thing. It's the people pleaser that both of us have. Yeah.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Like, putting so much effort into dinner, for one. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm tired. I don't even want to eat.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: But now, like, I mean, just cooking for other people was always the main thing. Now I just kind of got over that whole not wanting to put in effort for myself. Me wise, because I've just now been on, like, a health kick where I'm just like, all right, this is like, with my career, it can be so taxing. I gotta get on health stuff. I gotta take care of my body so I can keep doing this for years and years and years. And so now I'm just cooking a lot, and it's been so much fun.
[00:49:40] Speaker A: What are, like, the staples that you've started cooking where you're like, I'm really good at making that.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: I mean, so, okay, staples, Anything? Salmon. So, like, we did, like, salmon and then couscous with, like, a salad with chickpeas bomb.
And then steak, obviously done.
Mashed potatoes. So good.
I do, like, homemade crunch wraps, like, from Taco.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: Homemade crunch wraps. Ooh, bomb.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: So good. I mean, I'm like, gold stars.
[00:50:12] Speaker A: What is.
[00:50:12] Speaker B: What is.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: What is. What does Carter make?
[00:50:14] Speaker B: Well, any. Literally any of the meats. Like, that's his job. I'm like, here, like, chicken. Got it. Steak. Got it. That's his job. I will do everything else, and I will tell you what that should taste like.
You do it. He's great at it. He's so good.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: He's good at it.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: Almond staple.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Homemade sushi.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: Homemade sushi. There's your west coast coming out.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: All the. Oh, my God. Dude. We eat, like, so everything, but my favorite thing to cook is something I've never made before.
[00:50:43] Speaker A: Oh, Just trying something new. Yeah, Every time.
[00:50:45] Speaker B: That's, like, 90% of the time, that's what we do. It's like, find a recipe online that we've never even remotely thought about making, let alone eating and then making it and being like, we are so good at this. Like, what are we doing with our life?
[00:51:00] Speaker A: It's got to be. It's got to be a fun break from the music grind, too. Of, like, oh, I've got this project coming out. I've got to meet my PR team over this. So I've got these shows coming up. All this. That. Let's just cook and get away from it all.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: That's exactly. And then we watch Hell's Kitchen in free time.
[00:51:14] Speaker A: Oh, Gordon Ramsay, dude.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: The early seasons, too, when he just said the craziest stuff.
So good.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: It's so good just getting on people.
[00:51:24] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. So my life outside of music is very much so outside or cooking or watching Gordon Ramsay call people donkeys. It's great. It's so great.
[00:51:35] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:51:36] Speaker B: You donkey.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Like, Shrek.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. I love it.
[00:51:42] Speaker A: Did you grow up going to a lot of concerts or were your first shows kind of after your accident when you were like, music's what I want to do?
[00:51:50] Speaker B: None of those, actually. We weren't. We were live music, family, but we were not concert people. We were at local venues with local bands and jazz bands and local festivals.
[00:52:04] Speaker A: So, like, restaurants or, like, community events.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: Yeah, like, jazz bars. I would, like. My parents would, like, there would choose with me, and, like, I'd be able to just, like, get in and listen. Like, I really didn't go to many concerts growing up. It, like, that was just not someplace that we put our money towards for some reason. We just went out to all the local shows. We did, like, barbecues and cookouts with neighbors and, like, would sing songs with them. And I mean, it. We had music Playing throughout the house 24 7.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: So what was your first concert?
God,
[00:52:37] Speaker B: I have no idea.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: Would it have been out out here in Nashville?
[00:52:41] Speaker B: No, no. I mean, I know I went to, like, Selena Gomez when I was like, six or something like that, but I'm trying to think of, like, what my first one is that I actually genuinely
[00:52:52] Speaker A: remember my first was. I remember I was eight. I went. I went and saw Tim McGraw 2003.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: Oh, that's a good one, dude.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: Back when McGraw partied like Wallen. So that show is when he would play for like two and a half, three hours.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: Awesome.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: No opener. McGraw.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: Yep. I. I know, I know. I went to a Selena Gomez concert when I was really little. I don't know if that was my first concert or not.
I really don't know. A lot of blues festivals, so it
[00:53:22] Speaker A: was more like supporting the local community and, like, the family going out and doing what all the families would do in the community. And there happened to be a local
[00:53:31] Speaker B: band, we would seek out the band.
[00:53:33] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:53:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that was like. We didn't put. We really didn't put money towards seeing people live in terms of, like, artists that are already, like, huge on the road. But we made an effort to seek out local jazz bands, blues bands, country bands, whatever it is, and go and listen. Like, go. Old bluegrass and blues music and all the things. Like, we just. That's. If we saw live music written on a sign, we'd be like, we're going.
And we just go and sit and listen. And that. That. I mean, that's like. My first concerts really was stuff like that.
[00:54:08] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah, that's really. That's really pretty cool. Were you more of a Nickelodeon or a Disney person?
[00:54:14] Speaker B: God, that's such a hard question, isn't it?
[00:54:17] Speaker A: Isn't it tough? Somebody asked me that the other day and I'm like, God, what about cartoon to network? Like, being a guy I was in. I was born in 95, so I got like, Ed. Nettie encouraged the cowardly dog kind of stuff going on.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: I.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: Because he said Selena Gomez and she was a Disney girl. Right.
[00:54:36] Speaker B: I think I'd probably have to say Nickelodeon, actually.
[00:54:40] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: But this is. This is mean.
This is mean. Matt.
[00:54:46] Speaker A: That's what we should have done. For the bar tab for the content earlier, I should add.
I'm gonna mix this into.
By, like, this or that. Like, quick questions that I do with people at festivals.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: Both.
[00:55:01] Speaker A: I don't like Nickelodeon had the good cartoons, but they had good, like, in real life people too. Like, if that's real life. In real life, people like real people shows.
[00:55:14] Speaker B: Okay. Actually, I know. I'm shifting. I'm going to Disney.
[00:55:18] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: I'm going to Disney purely for the high school musicals and the camp rocks.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: The movies.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: The movies. The movies. I'm going to Disney purely for the movies. And Nickelodeon would be TV shows.
[00:55:30] Speaker A: Okay. There you go. Great answer.
[00:55:32] Speaker B: There's an answer.
[00:55:32] Speaker A: Great answer.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:55:34] Speaker A: Great answer. What's something you would tell.
It sounds like you were just with a young artist that just moved to town, but what's something that you would tell a young artist or Even yourself at 18 years old, 19 years old, moving out here, taking the leap, knowing what you know now,
[00:55:53] Speaker B: Finding your people is the most important element of this entire thing.
Actually, I'm gonna rephrase that. Finding your people and finding yourself. Those are the two most important parts. Learn who you are. Learn what genuinely feels authentic to you. Cause anything but authenticity is not gonna get you very far.
And then find your people that really, genuinely believe in you. The people that champion you and don't want to change you or bend you or break you and want to let you stay who you are.
You'll be good. Find yourself. Find your people.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: And then what would you go back and tell yourself in those dark times with how pot. Look at where your life is right now. Like, going back, like, 10, like, 10 years ago or even like eight years ago. Like, think about where you. Where you were when you were in that healing process. And now you've got an EP coming out of these songs. You're getting to go on the road and play for people. Like, you're doing what you've been wanting to do.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Honestly.
Honestly, I think I would say that you were never too far gone.
I feel like that's something that I talk about a lot. And I try to reiterate to myself, too, even now, of just, like, you're never too far gone. You can always come back up. And that, like, in every facet of life, you can always pick yourself back up. And I think that that's something that me, years ago, when I was going through all that, would love to have heard that. It actually wasn't. I was not putting the last nail in my coffin. I actually was able to not only pick myself up, but build a life that I'd always prayed for and wanted. And, like, I'm fully capable of it. And you can do it. Yeah, I think that's probably what I would say.
[00:57:37] Speaker A: Amen to that. I'm so freaking proud of you. And I'm so excited for the world to hear this ep.
And I can't wait to see where you're at six months from now, a year from now. Like, it's just getting going, sis.
[00:57:49] Speaker B: I know. It's crazy.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: You've been. You've been waiting for this, and we've been waiting for this, and Learn to Live. It's out and it's going to be.
I mean, this is just the introduction, and I can't wait to see where the rest of the book continues to go.
[00:58:04] Speaker B: Like, thank you. It means a lot.
[00:58:06] Speaker A: Seriously, it means a lot to have you in our corner as well, and, like, you be someone that we've gotten to watch grow from. Literally your first time playing acoustic in front of people in town.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: I even. I brought somebody up, too. I brought up Kenny Greenberg, and he played. Because I didn't really know how to play guitar.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:25] Speaker B: I knew, like, three chords.
Oh, my God. It's. It's so wild. It's. It's weird to think that that was, like, not that long ago.
[00:58:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: But it also. I mean, like, it was a few
[00:58:36] Speaker A: years back, but I got one last question just popped into my head. What's that really fast song that you used to play at every fumes?
[00:58:44] Speaker B: That one is not gone. Don't worry about that.
[00:58:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:58:46] Speaker B: That one's not gone.
[00:58:47] Speaker A: It's not gone.
[00:58:48] Speaker B: No, that song is not gone. That one I wrote with Avery McGee.
[00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Crazy. We wrote that in college. That one is not gone. My God, that song's exhausting.
[00:58:57] Speaker A: Yeah. That would always be your closer. So then you could get through your other couple songs.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: If I sang that anything but last, I wouldn't get through it till still. And now I actually tried to play it for the first time in a while, like, a couple weeks ago, and I couldn't get through it. Like, my breath support. I was, like, trained back then.
[00:59:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: I'm like.
Like a little dog, like, panting like a Shih Tzu. It's just like, oh, my God. Songs so hard.
[00:59:24] Speaker A: Yeah. But that was one of the distinct things that I remember from watching you in the early days. Like, I remember being like, okay, this girl's. This girl's got a voice. She's got her writing figured out. And then you'd put that out at the end. I was like, holy shit. Who is this girl?
[00:59:39] Speaker B: Holy shit. And she's annoying.
[00:59:40] Speaker A: I was like, this. I was like, damn. Like, this is crazy.
[00:59:44] Speaker B: You know, that song's wild. It's not. Yeah. That song is not gone. It's still one of my favorites.
[00:59:49] Speaker A: Okay, good.
[00:59:49] Speaker B: It's still one of my favorites. We actually wrote that song.
I mean, we wrote it in college, but it was because J.R. carroll has a song called Diamond Head.
[00:59:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: And it's one of my favorites. And I looked at Avery and I was like, man, I wish that was my song. And she was like, all right, let's write your own then. And so that's what prompted us to write a song that's like literally going a million miles an hour.
[01:00:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:12] Speaker B: Was because we had Diamond Head in our brain. So we wrote Fumes.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: That's so cool. I love that. I love that. But what do you hope people get from this six song EP introduction to you? What do you hope the mindset is as folks are listening to it and when they get from song one to song six?
[01:00:28] Speaker B: I hope that when people listen down through this ep, it's very evident to them that I understand and that I've been where they are and that I'm never going to judge them for it. And that I also have not only been that dark, but I've been able to pick myself up and that I just. I understand the waves of emotions and it's just. I just want people to feel seen and heard. And it's just like I'm right there with you. And it's like I've struggled. Like I talk about faith in this ep, I've struggled with my faith. I've gotten God back. I've struggled with my faith. It's always gonna happen. Struggled with who I am.
Yeah. I mean, I'm rambling a little bit, but I think the whole point here is just that I understand and I've been there.
[01:01:10] Speaker A: Amen to that. Well, guys and girls, be sure to go and check out. Learn to live. And if you're not on the Kinsley train, get on there and follow tick tock, Instagram, YouTube and be on the lookout for shows. She's hitting the road with Abrianna and might be working on some more stuff before the end of the year, going into next year. Thank you so much for coming on here and hanging and thanks for always repping. You came in in the old school camo hat and now you. Now you got. Yeah, she has got the old. One of the original raised rowdy camo hats, one of the first ones that Nick had made back in the day. That's pre me. Like, we haven't ordered those since I've been involved with raise. Right. That's how long ago that was. And she's Got that. And she's got the new one on. The new one that Nikki T. Cooked up in the design.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: Dude, this one's so good, I'm gonna wear it solid.
[01:01:58] Speaker A: It's all. We appreciate you saying that and wearing it. Ripping. Hell, yeah. Well. And y' all want some razor outy merch? Visit razoraudi.com you can find it. You can find out more about us on there. Shout out to our friends from Surfside, too.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: Cheers.
[01:02:13] Speaker A: I love you guys and thank you for drinking Surfside. I know you. You enjoy. I know. I know you and the crew crush those. We've got an eight pack over there with your name on it, so. So send you home with those to the house. You guys can whip up some stuff in the kitchen and drink some Surfsides because no bubbles, no troubles.
[01:02:30] Speaker B: No bubbles, no troubles.
[01:02:31] Speaker A: Dude, it's amazing how many people come up to me and just say that.
[01:02:35] Speaker B: No bubbles.
[01:02:36] Speaker A: And I don't even drink. That's the funny part. I'm like the spokesperson. No bubbles, no troubles. The can never opens, but they need to make an N A. I know, I know. They have the sentence.
[01:02:45] Speaker B: It would be an Arnold Popper.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: It'd just be iced tea or lemonade or green tea or whatever. But yeah, for sure. I got to get. Get up to the factory and just drink the formula before the alcohol gets put in it. Drink the cans that they're giving their kids or whatever, you know, Exactly. But thank you guys so much for watching. From my girl, Kinsley. I'm Matt Brill. This has been outside the ring
[01:03:08] Speaker B: I
[01:03:08] Speaker A: ain't never been the kind for stay one place for too long I ain't
[01:03:15] Speaker B: never been the best at sin I
[01:03:18] Speaker A: love you to a girl I love Only got a couple tricks up my sleeve they usually just make them leave so if you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony maybe the drink and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick on it
[01:03:43] Speaker B: yeah.
