Chase McDaniel

[00:00:12] Speaker A: Come on. This is outside the round with Matt Barrill for Razor alley podcast. Yeah. And my man chase McDaniel. [00:00:21] Speaker B: What's up? [00:00:22] Speaker A: One of two chase McDaniels that is in Nashville, Tennessee. We're just having that conversation. One of many. Bro, how the heck you doing today? [00:00:28] Speaker B: I'm good, bro. How you? [00:00:29] Speaker A: It's a Monday. What'd you do over the weekend? [00:00:31] Speaker B: I went home. Yeah? Yeah. I went back to Kentucky for like 24 hours, which is nice. [00:00:35] Speaker A: What'd you do? [00:00:37] Speaker B: Just see family? Yeah. Like my brother's, you know, 16, catching up with him. My grandparents, you know, catching up with them and. I don't know. Yeah, it's a super quick trip. You know, it's like 2 hours of the row. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Oh, so you're. That's. You're like middle, like. Or I guess it'd be considered western Kentucky, right? [00:00:53] Speaker B: No, it's central. Like central State. So do you know I 65 where the dinosaur statues are? [00:00:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:00:57] Speaker B: Like Guntown Mountain. Take a right 30 minutes off the highway. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Oh, no shit. Okay, cool. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Just gave away that to everyone. [00:01:04] Speaker A: There you go. [00:01:05] Speaker B: You know, the general area. [00:01:07] Speaker A: Just find the dinosaurs. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:01:09] Speaker A: So was just catching up with family and seeing your brother. What's the now your life over the past few years now, we met, like, right around the start of COVID The middle of COVID dude. [00:01:20] Speaker B: We did what? [00:01:21] Speaker A: It was 2020. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yeah. I was living across the street from live Oak. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Oh, you were in those apartments? [00:01:26] Speaker B: It was a wild time. My life. Yeah. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Were you in the 1505 or the Camden? [00:01:30] Speaker B: The Camden ones? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was legit. [00:01:32] Speaker A: That is one of the wildest places to live, especially during that time because those were some of the few bars. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:39] Speaker A: That were like, screw, we're gonna stay open. Like, we're gonna keep having rounds. We're gonna have people in here. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And I wasn't walking distance. Like, I mean, like just everything. Red door winners, losers. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And if you're really feeling it, Broadway's scooter right away. [00:01:53] Speaker B: Well, I was walking distance, depending on how much I had two or three m. It wasn't walking distance anymore. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, I remember meeting you, I think, at live Oak. I forget if you were playing live Oak or it was. And I saw you at old Smokey, too. There was like a showcase, I think. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah. A couple of my buddies were playing and I. Yeah, I played a prank on him that night. Yeah, that was fun. I told the bar, I was like, what's the nastiest thing you got? [00:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:17] Speaker B: Cause, like, I kind of knew some of the band, but I really knew one of the guys, and she was, like, just straight moonshine. I pretended I was giving them, like, these really high class, like, shots, and they all took shots on stage. One dude almost threw up. Like, he had to, like, walk off stage. Yeah, man, I feel kind of bad about that one. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Takes a buddy to do that, though. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:35] Speaker A: I used to be notorious for. I tried doing what our buddy Trey Lewis does, where he just buys drinks for people and being sober, he lives vicariously, getting hammered. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:43] Speaker A: And I just. I started looking at my bank account, being like, I can't afford these midtown fireball shots when people are on stage. You know, there's only so much fireball that my pocket can afford. [00:02:52] Speaker B: I can't even chew big red gum anymore, dude. Anything cinnamon? Dude. No. [00:02:56] Speaker A: Fireball ruined it for you. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Cause how old are you? We're about the same. [00:03:00] Speaker B: 28. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm 29. So we're about. We're about that same age. We both came up in the. The era where if you were listening to country music, you had to have fireball because Brian Kelly and Tyler Hubbard. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Said, we're singing about it. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Fireball, whiskey whispers. [00:03:13] Speaker A: We've all drank fireball out the handle or had those little mini. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Dude, it was the mini ones, dude. Probably. I don't remember that big. [00:03:20] Speaker A: The little 250 liter. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah, the 200 5250. [00:03:24] Speaker A: I remember, like, the little airplane. The little airplane bottles. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:27] Speaker A: And people would fucking stuff their pants with them. Girls are stuff in their chest with them, like, and they're just yours. At a concert. You're up. You're up on the lawn at, like, an amphitheater, and all of a sudden there's just fireball being passed out still a thing. [00:03:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:40] Speaker A: How the fuck they got in here? [00:03:41] Speaker B: But they got in. [00:03:43] Speaker A: Oh, dude. Yeah. Fireball was, like, a big part of just, like, the culture. And you obviously grew up in, like, the bourbon whiskey. [00:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I. Dude, it's funny, dude. I didn't really get into that until, like, I got older, but, yeah, fireball was definitely thing, that four loko. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Oh, you were four loco guy. [00:04:00] Speaker B: I wasn't a guy. I wasn't for local guy, but I had my experience. Yeah, I had some four locos. [00:04:04] Speaker A: The OG. Four loco. [00:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:06] Speaker A: Before they. [00:04:07] Speaker B: I think, like, it went. It was illegal for a while. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It was illegal in, like, every state, but, like, Texas, not Kentucky. It was, like, illegal. And, like, Texas. Kentucky, Florida. Like, the places you would think. Yeah, a place. The thing, like. Like, rocket fuel, like, for logo. I remember in New York, they took that shit away from us quick. In New York and New Jersey? [00:04:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker A: We're not allowed to have a lot of fun stuff up there the rest of the country gets to enjoy. [00:04:33] Speaker B: Well, I think, like, we got away with so much because there's just so few people in our town. Like, I know that sounds, like, weird. Cause, like, at the same time, like, you could get in more trouble. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Cause, like, especially, like, one of my buddies lived, like, right by the square. And so, like, we'd go to the square and we'd be messed up, and it's like, okay, you can't do that. You know, you can't be, like, rolling around naked on the square like you're getting caught, you know, two in the morning, like, there's nothing going on. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Are you graduating high school with, like, 100? [00:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Wow. So small. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, well, and that was, like the whole county, too. So, like, I think, like, you know, a lot of people were like, whoa, that's, like, more than I had. But, like, that was the only school we had in the entire county. And so, like, there wasn't like. Like, I went to Greene County High School. It wasn't like Green county high school, a city school, another school. Like, no, that was the only fucking school. Yeah. So that was just every kid from, like, you know, 40 miles radius or whatever. [00:05:21] Speaker A: Isn't it crazy to think that we've been out of high school for like. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Ten years now, dude, I know. I just had my ten year reunion. It was weird. [00:05:27] Speaker A: Oh, you actually went to the reunion for me. I've been living down here now for six years, so it's like. And my family, a lot of my family doesn't even live in New York anymore. You get to a certain age, like, why are you gonna pay the taxes to live up there? Like, why are you gonna move? Yeah, so the reason why people moved to the Carolinas and Delaware and Florida and all of that, but I didn't, like, I've never done a school reunion. [00:05:49] Speaker B: What are those? [00:05:50] Speaker A: What are those? Like, in ten year one, like, well. [00:05:52] Speaker B: We knew everybody, so, like, such a small. [00:05:55] Speaker A: I'm sure a lot of folks are still living there. [00:05:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's most of the people probably still. Still showing up. But did you know everybody? Like, you probably didn't know. [00:06:03] Speaker A: I knew quite a few people in my school. I graduated, so. Opposite of you a little bit, actually. Opposite of you by a lot. Complete opposite. I grew up in, like, the suburbs in New York in our county, we had, I want to say like seven or eight high schools. Schools? Yeah, my town. Cause it goes like, you have the state, then you have the county, then you have the towns, then within the towns there's like villages or sections. And my town had two high schools north, Clarkstown north and a Clarkstown south. Each school when I was going there was graduating four to 500 kids. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:06:39] Speaker A: And that was the town divided up into two high schools. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:42] Speaker A: So we're a lot of. A lot of kids. [00:06:43] Speaker B: So that's like the high school that like movies are about like kinda, I guess. [00:06:47] Speaker A: I mean, if we were all. There were some schools in our area that were like that, but put together in the one, so they graduated like a thousand kids. It's like a college, but I knew, I knew a lot of people. Like I played sports growing up and like I was involved in like the tv, like the, like sports media stuff. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:02] Speaker A: So I wasn't like the popular kid. It's actually funny because like you, you've had your journeys with like sobriety and stuff. Yeah, right. [00:07:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:09] Speaker A: So I was actually. It was, this was before I like started using. I was on a thing called Vasa, was varsity athletes against substance abuse. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Nice. [00:07:17] Speaker A: I was the only kid on the football team that they ever hard being that guy, dude. Yeah. Because I was going to parties and watching idiots punch holes in walls and do dumb shit, but I just wasn't using anything. And now, of course, I'm like a nicotine caffeine, but I was like going to elementary schools and middle schools and being like, hey, don't do drugs, don't be putting Copenhagen in your lip, don't be smoking sick doing this. And then of course I discovered alcohol and had my phone with it for a couple years, but it's like, it's like, yeah, it's like you find. It's like yours and the stuff in high school, it feels like it matters so much in the moment. [00:07:50] Speaker B: For sure. [00:07:50] Speaker A: You live so many chapters even after that. Like for you now, going back to that, that Greene County High School reunion now and having the life that you've had over the last twelve months, 18 months, however long it's been. [00:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:04] Speaker A: What's it like going home and seeing the homies from that class of 100 now and being the guy that they can hear on the radio, the guy that they can pull their mute where people are fucking? You are the project, you know? [00:08:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, like, it's interesting you say like, like, I don't. We I guess we did, but I didn't really experience like we didn't really have like clicks or like popular kids and like, I mean it was just, it was small and everybody was kind of in the same boat. Like you had your, like I played football, played a bunch of sports and like, you had your kids who played sports. You had your kids who were, you know, more acclimated to music and, but like we were, we all just knew like, hey, we're all redneck as fuck, we're all poor. [00:08:42] Speaker A: We're all like the farmers. [00:08:46] Speaker B: The farmers for sure. [00:08:47] Speaker A: Like the kids, those families went to church a hundred bit more. You had like your guys sitting outside the piggly wiggly park. [00:08:53] Speaker B: That was me too. I'm being honest. Like when I was in, like, I forget it's probably 7th grade, like, I got real religious. Yeah, dude, I, like, I read the bible straight through when I was like, dude, like from Genesis through revelation I was like, and I remember like all my teachers like bragging on me and stuff and I was like, but I, like, I didn't understand it. Yeah. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Like trying to recite words on a page at that. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but I was telling my boys, I was like, hey, you better, you know, don't touch yourself at night. You know, I was that kid for a couple years. It's kind of funny, like looking back on that stuff. Like, but yeah, I mean, like when I got into high school I got really into a competitive weightlifting because my grandpa would did it when he was young and then my dad did it too. My dad was a big dude. My dad was, yeah, big dude. And so I think like a lot of that was just like, you know, trying to live up to like expectations stuff, but I just happen to be really good at it. [00:09:42] Speaker A: Well, yeah, you have that low center of gravity. [00:09:44] Speaker B: I would say, like I was a small dude, but like, I, like, I got really good at something and then like all of a sudden, like I was like, it gave me like status. And I was talking to my grandpa this other yesterday, I was like, when I went back home, I was like, hey, like, thanks for training the shit out of me. Like making me hate my life because it made me like, cool. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Like, other kids like respected me and they were like, they didn't know I couldn't find, they just thought I was strong. [00:10:04] Speaker A: What were your, like, what were you benching? What were you deadlifting? I'm guessing you're cleaning, you're doing everything. [00:10:10] Speaker B: I was pretty. I don't want to say. [00:10:12] Speaker A: I want to say I was pretty strong. What were you fucking doing? Cuz I got up to, like, 235 bench when I was, like, peak football. I thought I was shit. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:22] Speaker A: And I had buddies doing, like, 285 like, nothing. [00:10:25] Speaker B: I was. I was repping 315, and I was. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Like, you were repping 315? [00:10:29] Speaker B: I was, like, 150. Yeah, I was pretty good. But, like, you got think, like. Like my dad, like my grandpa. Like, I was. I was in a gym when I was four years old. Like, what? [00:10:39] Speaker A: What's a four year old doing in the gym? [00:10:41] Speaker B: Making sure my legs never grew. Like, I don't know, like, making sure my knees, like, locked into place. But yeah, dude, like, I was doing squats and. And stuff when I was, like, no joke, like six, seven years old. So I was like, that's just what my family did. Like, it was, like, worked out like crazy. So that's, like, all I knew. And then I had an accident when I was in college. So, like, I went to University of Louisville and I did Olympic weightlifting, and I passed out at the top of a cleaning jerk. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Jeez. Of all the times to pass out. That is scary shit. You fall backwards? [00:11:10] Speaker B: Fell back? Fell back, hit my head. Woke up in a cascade machine, didn't. I thought. I thought I was dead. And so, like, I remember, like, you know, praying. I was like, dude, God, like, if I. If I just make through this hall, I'll never cuss again. All these things, and it turns out I live. But, like, I just. Yeah, I thought I was dead. Like, I thought it, like, my life was over. And, yeah, I didn't live for, like, six years after that. Like, I just couldn't go back to the gym. [00:11:36] Speaker A: You gotta be safe. There's so much safety. People don't know that. People kid. These kids get reckless in these gyms. [00:11:42] Speaker B: I was. I was like, I had never had an accident before, so I was like. And I had that, like, cocky 18 year old attitude, like, you know, nothing could hurt me. I was driving 100 miles an hour everywhere I went. Like, racing my buddies, like, you know what I mean? Just, like, how fast can I get from a to b, you know, kind of thing. And, yeah, we all do our stuff, but it's like, you know, you just hope your mistakes are, like, less enough that you survive those years, you know? [00:12:04] Speaker A: Absolutely, dude. And you get. And you go through stuff like that and go through upbringings like you came up from, too. Like, it's. It's tough. Like, you go through these hardships, and then you put the hard work in, and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, and I feel like you've started really coming out of that tunnel and going into that light these past year. [00:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Thanks for saying that, man. Yeah, for sure. I mean, this. This whole journey, like, I've always loved country music. That was always kind of my thing. I didn't know that that's where I'd end up. Like, to be honest, I didn't think it was possible. I knew it was, like, was my first love. But, you know, we live in a world now where, like, you know, social media is free. Everybody's got the same opportunity, so you just got to go and get after it, dude. And, you know, if that means making a couple videos that make you look like a dumbass, like, it's just, you got to do it, and. And I'm cool with it because, you know, if that keeps me from stopping my dream, you know, it's just. That's just not. It's. That's crazy. Like, I can't if the opportunity is there, and all you got to do is go after it. Like, I just feel like there's no other generation where I could have been in this industry. [00:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:05] Speaker B: You know, we're like. You know, I would have been discovered, and, like, it's just. It's not. So I'm thankful to be in this one where it's like, yeah, just work. [00:13:12] Speaker A: Hard and, yeah, write songs, and it's, like, your music. It hits both sides. Cause for me, there's, like. There's, like, a storyteller put you in your feels country, and there's, like, the party. Have a good time country that we were out tailgating to in high school, in college, you know? So it's your music, especially on this first project that you put out, no pun intended, with the word project back in January, you see both sides of that coin where you have songs like the daughter song, for example, relapse. Like, those are songs that people are gonna relate to when they're going through something. Like, every guy knows that girl, that they could relate to that song. They might not be with that girl, but they know that situation in the town. They came up, and you have songs like project and your stuff that fits more. The dancing, like, in the club kind of thing, which is great, too. Like, being able to do both sides of that coin, that's not easy. And not a lot of people have the opportunity to do that. They're usually pigeonholed in the one thing. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, honestly, like. Like, it probably wasn't smart. What do you mean? It wasn't I was just, I'm just like, I've always just made what I like. [00:14:21] Speaker A: There's any reason. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. [00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:23] Speaker A: Honestly, it appeals to both. [00:14:25] Speaker B: Oh, I appreciate, appreciate you saying that. I think, like, you know, it's. Some people can say, like, how could you go from one to the other? But, like, I always just wrote what the kind of music that made sense to me, you know, and hit me in the feels and, like, you know, I think as long as the music, like, says something, that substance, like, you know, whether it's a party song or, you know, getting your feels kind of song, like, it was the substance that mattered, you know, it's the substance I wanted to hear in country music, so. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah, and it's, for me, the live show is so important, given my history in this industry and obviously my first love. It's funny. I have you. I have your Spotify pulled up, and it's like, the photo of you. There's actually, my grandmother has a similar photo of me with a cowboy hat on, singing Tim McGraw, like, circa 1998. [00:15:09] Speaker B: No way. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Yet, same kind of thing. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Dude, I want to see, I've seen. [00:15:12] Speaker A: Photos of, like, Trey Lewis like this. There's so many guys and girls where it's, like, their first moment doing this was being a little kid singing their favorite song from that time or their parents favorite song. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Dude, I wanted to ask you, like, because I think I knew you were from New York, but it was, like, in living in the back of my head, so, like, and I obviously, I know there's parts of New York that are super country. We played up in Rhinebeck, and that was, like, that was this country's Kentucky. Yeah. And. But, like, I just wondered, like, because, like, ever since I've known you, like, country. So authentic to you. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:41] Speaker B: Like, so how did that get introduced in your life? [00:15:44] Speaker A: So really, it was, like, my. The first songs I remember hearing was that it was that, um, first Tim McGraw greatest hits record. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker A: It's where he's got the red shirt on, the black hat. You can't see his face. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:55] Speaker A: And it's got, like, heaven on my. Yep. Indian outlaw down on the farm don't take the girl, green grass grows I like it. I love it. All that stuff. [00:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:04] Speaker A: And that was all my grandma was. She was playing that and the Beach Boys and her Ford Windstar. I was sitting in that fucking car seat. And then my aunt was my. An ally, probably one of the biggest Tim McGraw fans I've ever. I've ever known. She's been seen him probably 30 times. Like, the way the women freak out about Morgan and Zach Bryan and that now, or Riley Green now was how people were freaking out about Tim and Kenny. And 20 years ago, those were the guys. 20, 25, 30 years ago, those were the guys. So I just grew up listening to that. My first concert was a Tim McGraw concert. [00:16:37] Speaker B: No way. [00:16:38] Speaker A: It was at the Continental Arenas, which doesn't exist anymore. They used to have where the giant stadium is now, I guess it's Metlife, where the Giants and the jets play. Across. On the other side of the highway was a, was an arena where the New Jersey Devils and the New Jersey Nets played, and they would do concerts there. So I went, this was 2003, so I was eight. I was in the third grade. It was a school night, because I remember being, I remember going to school the next day and having a little glow stick. It was when Tim McGraw was, before he found sobriety. This was like, this is when Tim partied, like, Morgan. Like, this is when Tim was, was wild, you know, like before cell phones, before social media, all that stuff. And he would do, he would have no opener out with him, and he'd play for 2 hours every night. Like what Eric church did with that tour where it was just, he would play and it'd be like a different set every night. Yeah, Tim was doing that, like, oh, three. So I remember going to that, and it just, I fell in love with it there. And, and then when I was in college, I had a country radio show where there was a radio show called Redneck Radio, and I was just like, what is that? That sounds like fun. I've been to a Toby Keith concert earlier. That's, I'd been to probably three or four country shows that summer. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:43] Speaker A: By myself, not like, with my friends, not my family. [00:17:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:46] Speaker A: And I was like, damn, this parking lot's fun. [00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Damn, this lawn is fun. Oh, look at that girl over there. Oh, look at this. I'm just a young 18 year old kid. Like, this is fucking. [00:17:56] Speaker B: You were attracted to country girls, too. [00:17:58] Speaker A: Well, yeah, it was like, girls in, just at country shows, but also the, the patriotism thing, like going to a Toby Keith concert and him bringing the veterans and him bringing the veterans out on stage for, for american soldier. [00:18:14] Speaker B: I remember being on the school bus in, like, third grade. Everybody's like, put a boot in his ass. Yeah. [00:18:20] Speaker A: I remember watching CMT and see the music video for how do you like me now? And my, one of my, one of my babysitter, Ashley her boyfriend Chris would, like, had a. Had an american flag guitar and, like, learned how to play nicer, way blue, like, right after 911. Like the Lee Greenwood stuff. Like, he's grown up in New York being six when 911 happens. Oh, our patriotism meter through the fucking roof, you know, and. But, yeah, it was just all those elements of it and then, like, the storytelling and everything within the songs. Like, the first CD I ever bought, the first two. First three CDs ever bought my own money, they were at a target. And I had one of those, like, walk, man, like, CD player things. And Kenny Chesney. No shoes, no shirt, no problems. Nickelback. All the right reasons. And red hot chili Peppers stadium, Arcadia. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Wow. I didn't have that one, but I had the other two. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Yeah, the other two, dude. Yeah. So it's like, I just came up with. Came up with, like, being in the industry that way. And it's like the folks in the northeast, and I guess I haven't been out in the west coast, but I'm thinking them too. We put on extra hard when a country show comes because there's a chip on our shoulder of. [00:19:33] Speaker B: You think the south thinks that you're not? [00:19:35] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, absolutely, absolutely. And it's like, I've seen. I remember it was right around Valentine's day, 2014 or 15. I saw FGl sell out Madison Square Garden. 20 something thousand people on a Tuesday night. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Wow. [00:19:53] Speaker A: Tuesday night show or Wednesday night show. Like, the. The shows, and it's like, the people at the. The tailgates at the shows and, like, the city markets in the northeast, they just put on harder because there's a chip on our shoulder. Like, especially when the, oh, that ain't country thing was going. That's gone away now. Yeah, I feel like the whole that ain't country thing has gone away. And guys like yourself that are, like, genre blending in a way, because obviously, like, blame it all on country music. That's the name of the ep that's out now, which you guys should all check out, by the way. And it's. And it's like, obviously your stuff is in the country lane. You're signed to a country deal. Like, you're. You're in the country world. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:32] Speaker A: But you have elements of other shit. Yes, because we all grew up listening everything. All kinds of shit. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, 100%. [00:20:40] Speaker A: So that's kind of my long winded story of, like, how I got, I guess, into it. And then college radios when I. My college radio show, like, we were going. I was going to 70, 80 shows a year. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Wow. [00:20:52] Speaker A: I was driving wherever I were. [00:20:53] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Like, just driving to him. Yeah. Like, whether. Whether it was like, we had Morgan Wallen play at Jenks club. Like, Jenks club from the Jersey shore. Yeah, we had Morgan play there on a Wednesday night. A whole interview thing with him. We had. We would have. Combs would come up and do radio shows. Like, people. Like, any. Any opportunity there was, I just tried to figure out my way to get into the industry and eventually made the move down here, and it's been. It's been a wild ride, but, yeah, you know, it's like, it is funny. Like, coming up, like, I feel like I embraced. I embraced more of, like, the country stuff when I was in New York, and now I embrace more of the New York stuff now that I'm down here. You know? Like, it's kind of funny. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, I was talking to a buddy the other day. It's like, country music and probably hip hop are the only two genres where there's, like, a culture of, like, you're one of us or you're not one of us. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:42] Speaker B: And it's like, you have to, like, have, like, a certain kind of cred to, like, be in the club and, like, even the fans, like, recognize, like, the authenticity. [00:21:49] Speaker A: And then there's. And then there's sub genres within that. Within that. There's so many sub genres within hip hop that have been the thing for 2030 years of, like, different styles, different regions, different things like that. And now it's, like, country. We have that, too. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:05] Speaker A: You have your mainstream stuff. You have your stuff that'll get played at a place, like wild Greg's down in Pensacola, Florida, where, like, a song, like, project. Like, a song, like, project. [00:22:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:17] Speaker A: You know, and then you'll have, like, your side of the mountain, hole in the wall somewhere in the Carolinas or Appalachia, somewhere where it's like that outlaw fucking Cody jinx shit. Where it's like, there's so many. There's room for all of it. [00:22:31] Speaker B: I agree, and I think that that's cool, because I don't think that even existed seven, eight years ago, bro. [00:22:35] Speaker A: It didn't exist when you and I got here. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Honestly, it was starting to form, but there was so much hate. [00:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker A: On it. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And, like, people, I think, still try to, especially, like, the industry in this town can. Has a tendency to chase the trends, but it's like, now there's so much that's existing. It's like, one thing might be hot for half a second. But really, people are just looking for good music. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:55] Speaker B: And so, like, if you're in the country genre, they're listening to Zach Brown and Morgan, and it's like, those are the two opposite ends of the spectrum. They're listening to everything in between, too. And so those are two, you know, you could say, quote unquote trends. I don't think they're trends. I think they're gonna last. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker B: But, like, you know, people just want good music within the genre that they love. And so if it's a good song, I think the song wins, you know? But, yeah, I think it's cool that now you could go. Whatever format you listen to music, you're going to find. Folk, country, americana, country, hip hop, country, pop, country, rock, country. It's like, it all exists in the way that pop top 40 did. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:28] Speaker B: 1015 years ago, you know, and I like that because everyone's represented. [00:23:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that, too. That everyone is included and there really isn't. And there still is, like, an underground. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Yeah, very much. [00:23:40] Speaker A: And that's something that we pride ourselves on a lot. Nick and myself with raised rowdy, that's kind of like, how we started was we like to find shit before it's quote unquote cool. Like, we think it's cool. You're one of those guys that we got to be early on, you know, like, playing. Playing our stuff at live Oak. And then last year, seeing you on that saloon stage at country concert in Fort Laramie, Ohio, was such a cool moment because I'm like, that's my fucking boy. Like, I've known. I've known this dude for the past few years, and remember. Remember him when he didn't have anything going on? And now to fast forward a few years, and. And he's on the stage, and people know music and know who you are and you. Because you've been writing songs for a while. I'm like, you've been at this thing for what, now? [00:24:27] Speaker B: I've been in town eight years. Yeah, maybe. I think maybe going online. Yeah, I think that's the thing that surprises people. I think, like, especially, like, when I get into rooms and stuff, I think people just assume that, like, I was a TikTok artist, but you were a bit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There was just a novelty kind of thing or an actor wasn't gonna, you know, stick around and, you know, it's like, you know, I've been doing this for a long time. My catalog's, like, pretty big. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:47] Speaker B: I'm writing 100 5200 songs year. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Like, and so, like, you know, when I show up, you know, I know exactly what I want. I know who I am. I know my vision and my brand. I know what I want to say. My message, all that. And. And that only comes from doing it a really long time and it being a dream from the time you were four years old, you know? [00:25:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Picture on the fucking. [00:25:05] Speaker B: On the. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Literally. Yeah, like, that's. [00:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah, so it's. But, yeah, I mean, so I. You know, there is that. And I try not to, like, I think I'll probably always have a little bit of a chip on my shoulder just because, you know where I came from and you know how that probably made me feel, but at the same time, you know, I just. I'm so grateful to have a shot to play ball. Like, I never thought I'd get to play ball. And that's. I think that's why I'm, like, the most grateful for, like, social media and everything these days. The way that it's shaped now is that it's just given opportunity to the people who are willing to go after it, you know? And it's like, you know, I know so many people say, and I wish I'd get in their heads and help change their mind. Like, oh, I just don't know how to get on social. I just don't know how to market myself. And it's like, well, is this your dream? Yeah, it's my dream. Do you want it? Yeah, I want it. How bad do you want it? I want it so bad. Do you want it bad enough to learn a new thing? You know what I mean? And it's. I get it. It's difficult, and it's like, you got to challenge yourself in some ways, but that's what it takes when you come to chasing your dream, man. If you. You got to want it more than anything else, and that means you got push yourself, and it's gonna be hard. There's gonna be things you don't like to do, and it's just, like, to me, there's nothing that's gonna stop me from. From doing that. So it's like, it gave me a chance to play ball. [00:26:11] Speaker A: So I think that goes back to the, like, your upbringing and the weightlifting and. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, nothing. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Nothing being given to you and your. Your. Their idols, your. Your family, like, being like, all right, boy. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Do you want to. You want to do this thing? The only way you get better is by doing it and by getting reps and by setting those maxes and setting those goals, and that's such a goal oriented thing. [00:26:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:36] Speaker A: I translates so much to music. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Even though it's like an art and a sport. And they, they do have a lot of differences. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:43] Speaker A: That competitive edge and that mindset being, like, if you really want it, fucking go get it. [00:26:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:48] Speaker A: You can't count out the dog that. [00:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker A: That has too much fight in it. [00:26:50] Speaker B: Right. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's, like, there's another, there's another side of that coin that, like, I think is important, too, that, like, you know, I think so many people in our generation were taught, like, you gotta chase your dream. You gotta chase your dream to the point that, like, it kind of feels like the expectation to, like, succeed at your dream. And that wasn't really what I was taught. I think, like, being raised by my grandparents, like, you know, I was taught that, like, just having a work ethic was the expectation. Like, that's the dream, was to make a living, to have a job, to, like, be able to provide. And so, like, you know, it's a celebration when you achieve your dream. It's not like, the pressure, the expectation. And so, like, I think, like, you know, especially, like, living in the social media world where everybody's winning, everybody's posting their highlights, like, it feels like, oh, man, that should be me. That should be me. Why am I not doing better? And it's like, I think a lot of people, like, get paralyzed under that pressure. And I feel that, too, sometimes. But, you know, you can't feel like it's an expectation to achieve your dream. Like, that's a celebration when you get that. And I think that's why maybe some people aren't as fulfilled when it's like, oh, it's right here, and I'm still, like, empty. [00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I forget who was on the other day, but I had someone on. On the pod, and we were talking about, like, how important it is to have the blinders on. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:08] Speaker A: The horse and obviously Kentucky horses, all that shit. But it's like, you got to have, like, your blinders on. But, like, with horses, when they were their blinders, they don't put the blinders on themselves. They have somebody that helps them get those on. I feel like that's what a manager, that's a team, that's what a producer, that's what your circle kind of does is help you put those blinders on. The focus on being the best fucking chase McDaniel you can be, like, to be the best virgin of you. And everybody's journey. Yeah, it's different, dude. [00:28:40] Speaker B: I think that that's such an important thing in life. Like, you think of, like, the people that impacted you when you were growing up, and it was like, coaches and teachers and mentors and, like. Like, strong leaders, like, whether they were men or women. But, like, especially for me, like, you know, not having, like, that role model in my life, like, it being filled in by my grandpa and my coaches and, like, that kind of thing, like, you know, having somebody in your ear, like, to motivate you can do that. I feel like that's, like, heavily voided right now. Like, in our, like, culture. Like, just having people to, like, you know, talk purpose into you and motivate you and say that you can do it. And it's like, man, like, you know, I see, you know, people, like, you know, my younger brothers who are just, like, kind of, like, you know, where do I look to for something like that? And it's like, man, that. That generation needs more. More leaders, more coaches. [00:29:22] Speaker A: Yeah. We're very lucky to have grown up. Not super lucky, because now we're adults dealing with this shit that's happening right now, but to have where we were, like, kind of at the tail end of those values that were in the eighties and nineties. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:36] Speaker A: And we got to experience that, like, before things got really heavily softened, like, we had to go through some shit and we had to learn how to figure out the shit, but we had people that had also been through shit. Now it's like these. The generations aren't having to deal with the shit on a personal level. [00:29:55] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, at the same time, they're dealing with so much. [00:29:57] Speaker A: They're dealing with a lot. Yeah, they're dealing with so much. But I'm saying, like, once in a. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Lifetime event every month. [00:30:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm saying, like, the word, like, the word. Like, the motivation for, like, the work ethic. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Figuring out yourself kind of thing. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:30:12] Speaker A: And these things, I don't think help. No, they're great for. For what we do. It's great tool getting eyes and ears on things. [00:30:19] Speaker B: But, like, it comes with a price. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it comes with a price. Everybody's so glued to these. So glued to these things that the one on one experience is like going. Riding around the town square and hanging out with your buddies and not having. And not knowing what anybody else is doing, but just being in that moment with your boys at, like, 14, 1516 years old. These kids don't have that anymore. [00:30:43] Speaker B: It's wild. It's really wild, like, to think that, like, there's something that's so much a part of, like, who you are that, like, other people may not get to experience that because it's just of a generation shift. I was hanging out when I went back home. I saw, you know, all my high school friends or, you know, several of my buddies that, like, I played ball with or whatever, and I was like, dude, I need this. Like, we just hung out at, like, three in the morning. They're like the mexican restaurant parking lot, you know? But, like, that's just what we did. And that's, like, what we still do is just, like, catch up on life, like, where. Yeah, what's going on? [00:31:08] Speaker A: And having a conversation. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Imagine, like, my brothers not having that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that was so important who I am. [00:31:13] Speaker A: It's like, they don't. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:16] Speaker A: Like, we're so connected. Like, that. It's to a fault, kind of. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:21] Speaker A: You know? [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like. It's. It's like. It's. It's connection, but it's like anti connection at the same time. It's like. Yeah, it's like. Like the. The illusion of connection, you know? It's like the shadow of a stranger online telling you that you're good enough because of this post you made. It's like. No, like, that ain't true. Like, a true connection. Connections, like, what we're doing, like, looking in my eyes and, like, not in a weird way, like, you know, talking to each other. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Talking to each other and having. Having that thing. So, speaking of talking to each other, you gotten now to the point where you have a team. Yeah, you have. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Which, thank God, people that work with you. [00:31:54] Speaker A: What. How did. And it's. You're over at where at? [00:31:58] Speaker B: I'm a big machine records. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Big machine records. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:01] Speaker A: What is it like to get a fucking call and get in a room with that stuff? And I guess backing up, like, what was the first deal that you had signed? Because, again, dude, you're a journeyman at this shit. You've been in town for a long time. You've made so many connections, had your ups and downs. It's a roller coaster, dude. And for a lot of people, but for you, especially, just this roller coaster, what's that first moment where you're like, all right, it's starting. It's starting to happen? [00:32:25] Speaker B: Well, my first deal that I actually signed was my record deal. [00:32:29] Speaker A: Really? Yeah, I came first. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Well, so, yeah, I just. It happened. Well, I mean, when it happened, like, you know, they say ten years, overnight kind of thing. And, like, it does look like, you know, things happen fast, and they did once they began happening. Yeah, but I had it all planned, like, you know, going into it, you know, before, like, the. You know, I had the songs that, like, ready that I was gonna drop. I didn't just, like, make one song. I was like, okay, I'm gonna make another song. Like, I was like, no, I had a few songs, like, ready to go. Yeah, so. But, yeah, so I met. I met my agent, actually, and that was. That was a total, like. Like, just being at the right time kind of thing. Like, and so I was bartending and. Place called the Ainsworth. Oh, yeah, right in midtown. Yeah, yeah. And so that's where I met my girlfriend, too, was. She was the bartender there, and I was like, I was, like, waiting tables. [00:33:20] Speaker A: We love hospitality, dude. We love. We love bar love. [00:33:24] Speaker B: I was. I just kept, like, bugging my manager, like, let me bartend. Cause I know I get to work more hours. This was, like, during COVID and then, like, you know, we were closing early and stuff, but the bartenders got to work a couple. A couple extra hours, so I was like, please, like, I'll do anything. Just let me bartend. I had no bartending experience. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:38] Speaker B: And finally he let me do it, and she was the one that trained me, and so I was like, all right, cool. Like, and then what? Yeah, anyway, so anyway, I serving these two dudes for, like, a year, and this one, I remember this one dude who order Stella, and this other dude's order Miller light. And, you know, we just kind of would talk, and we were acquaintances or whatever, you know, they'd come in around the same time on the weekdays. They wouldn't come in on the weekends. And one night, my bar manager was, like, making fun of me. I just dropped my very first song, and he was playing it over the speakers of the Ainsworth, and, like, he was like, ha ha ha. You know, just, like, just being silly. And one of the guys was like, is this your song? And I was like, yeah, it's my song. My manager's making fun of me, and they're like, I really like this. Like, can you send it to me? And I was like, yeah, sure. And he's like, I want to send it to a friend of mine. The very next day, I get a call from Kevin Neal at William Morris endeavor, and he's like, hey, I heard your song, and I really like it, and I think it's different. I want to. I'd like to have lunch with you, you know, and I had no idea who he was. Thank God I didn't, because, like, if I did, I would have, like, had a panic attack going into that lunch. But, like, yeah, we left lunch, and he's like, yo, I want to work with you. Like, let's book some shows. And so that was really the first thing before my record deal, and he was, like, instrumental and just, like, teaching me, you know, what I needed to do and, like, kind of getting the pieces there. Like, I wouldn't be who I am without him. And he's just such a. He's a legend. He's a great dude. Everyone, like, anybody you meet has nothing bad to say about that, man. And I think that is such a testament to someone's character, and it's like, oh, thank God I ended up in the right hands. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Yeah, word travels fast. Everybody seems to have, like, a motive. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:21] Speaker A: And there is a lot of, like, shit talking that goes on, so to be with someone that's genuine and seen in that light. [00:35:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:27] Speaker A: Especially on the agency side, for sure. It's very rare. Yeah, good one, dude. Yeah, they found a good one, too. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Hey, I appreciate. Well, yeah, I think. I think a lot of people don't. Don't have an agent first, and, like, he kind of acted like, I mean, he was just, he was helping with so much, and, like, you know, he was, of course, he had Jason and. And some other things going on, but, you know, obviously, Jason's, you know, doing so well. Like, he was just trying to help, like, get me started, and so, like, I just had all of his passion and, like, you know, attention, and it was. It was awesome, you know, and, yeah, man, I wouldn't be where I am without that guy. And then, you know, he introduced me to Scott and. But, you know, we met with everybody and just. And Scott was like my guy. Like, it was just one of those things where, you know, it was at a time where the town was so much about the numbers, this. The town was so much about statistics, so much about stream, so much about your tick tock followers. And I felt like every meeting I went to, that's all anybody want to talk about. And I feel like more like they were trying to figure out how I did it so they could teach their people how to do it, because that was kind of a time, like, where, like, independent artists were getting traction, but, like, a lot of label artists didn't know how to do it. Yeah. [00:36:32] Speaker A: When was this? [00:36:32] Speaker B: When this was 2021, probably. Maybe 2020. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Yeah, this is, like, during, like, right. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Out of the jump. Yeah. [00:36:42] Speaker A: When. When, like, you have folks on tick tock. Like, that's post ddid with Trey. That's post, right? Yeah, he was December. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Yeah, he did that way before I did. [00:36:52] Speaker A: So it's right after that. But then you have folks like your Cooper Allen's, your Ashley cooks, your priscilla. Priscilla was a little before that. Yeah, but you have. [00:37:00] Speaker B: I was still late to the party. It's all compared to all those people. Like, my first stuff going viral was, like, jokes that I was making on. Yeah, yeah. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Like what? Like, what kind? [00:37:07] Speaker B: I remember, I just remember, like. Like, I would stitch stuff. Like, I remember I did that whole series, like, country artists. If they were girls, if I'd hook up with them, like. Like, how many shots it would take, we hook up with them. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:18] Speaker B: And, like, I had a couple. I had one that, like, a couple, like, the big pages, like, reposted, that went viral and stuff. And so I did, like, a whole series on that. That was before I posted I had any. I didn't have any music out, so, like, people were. Just thought I was like, I guess, funny. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:30] Speaker B: And I posted one about that. Like, people would come up to me and recognize me from this tick tock. Remember that? Being like, oh, my God, like, this is a thing. It was something about these girls that, like, came to town and they were like, doggone on country music. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:43] Speaker B: And then I, like, I was like, I talked shit about him for a minute, but at the end of him, like, gave him my address and. But, like, people recognized me from that. And I was like, dude, like, this is a tool, dude. Like, I was, like, just going to, like, music industry type stuff and, like, you're that guy that made that joke about the girls. I'm like, damn. And so I started posting my music on there, and, you know, it took a while, but it finally got traction. And when I did, I just, like, I can't stop, you know? [00:38:09] Speaker A: Yeah. So fucking wild. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But. But any to say all that, you know, like, everybody was just like, you know, numbers, numbers, numbers. And, you know, Scott was like, I love your music. Like, I love what, like, I want to work with you. And, like, that was like, he just. He was. He's a good man, and. And he believed in what I was doing. He believed in my vision and just wanted to help elevate it, and. And that just meant the world to me, you know, and he, you know, connected with my story and everything, and I was like, you know, all right, cool. This guy's, like the real deal. [00:38:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:39] Speaker B: So, yeah, just. It made sense. And I'm, you know, no going back now, so. [00:38:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Then you've been over there now for what? Now? [00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to maybe a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We announced in January when we released the released ep, and now we've been just, like, working on. I've been writing a ton. Like, I, you know, wrote over 100 songs, 150 something songs last year, and we just recorded a few, and now we're, you know, it's moving. [00:39:06] Speaker A: So you got to shout out some of the guys that you write with. And one of the main guys being a fellow hermitage resident like me, mister Jerry Jacobs. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Jerry was a writer on every song on the first ep, I think, other than relapse, and he produced that one. [00:39:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, yeah, I know he's been kind of in your. In your corner and a really. Just a good dude. He's just a guy that. That supports good people, one of the hard, hardworking guys, and somebody that folks have slept on as a producer dude, and as a writer for a long time. Starting to get brought to light through guys like yourself. [00:39:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So, dude, a lot of people don't know this, but he had the track for project. Yeah. And so, like, we didn't write that to guitars or anything. Like, I came in one day and he had this kind of beat going, and he brought it up by accident, and he was like, you know, just clicking through stuff like we were trying to get, you know, inspired or whatever. And he brought this beat, and he's like, I don't know what this is. It just says. It just says project. And I was like, that's cool. And he's like, no, no, no. It's just like, what's the default name for a file? I forgot to name it. Basically. He's like, I made some sounds and I forgot to name it. So the default name for it was just project six or whatever. And I was like, no, I actually had a song idea in my songbook called Project. And he's like, no way. And I was like, yeah, I think we should write song called project. And so he plays the beat, and all of a sudden, like, I'm baby, I'm a proud, like. And it just fits so well. And I had always wanted to do a song, like, some of my favorite songs because, like, country just. It has just a rich history of, like, lifting the chorus. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:38] Speaker B: But, like, I love Josh Turner. I loved Chris Young. Like, I loved Randy Travis. Like, those are my like, top three. Like, just that low stuff I always wanted to drop on the chorus and. And we pulled it off and then, you know, put a rap in the song. [00:40:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:53] Speaker B: And, yeah, I didn't expect it to do what it did in the line dance, lin dance community. So. [00:40:57] Speaker A: Changed your life? [00:40:58] Speaker B: It changed my life, yeah. Queen Bee did a. She did a post, like, we were already, like, doing, I guess, pretty well, like, on the tick tock thing. And then she made the dance and, like, then it took over the line dancing bars and so we started playing these line dancing bars and I had no idea, dude, like, how big, like, how mainstream it was. [00:41:18] Speaker A: People go nuts over that shit. [00:41:20] Speaker B: It's crazy. And I had never been, like, I had never been line dancing. And I never, like, knew a line dance. Like, I saw the movie, you know, footloose, but that was about the extent of, like. But, like, dude, it's. It's fun. It's really fun. And I've, like, been to some of the contests and stuff they've had now. And I've went to the palace, you know, when they've played my song and we shot the music video at the palace. [00:41:40] Speaker A: Oh, no shit. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And so, you know, we had. We flew her out, queen bee, and she, like, led the dance and everything. It's cool, man. You know, I. I know there's, like, people in town that probably think it's, like, cringey that, like, you know, I did the dance or whatever, but I'm like, dude, that thing changed my life. I will learn the damn dance. I'll video myself doing it. Like, I don't care. But that was like, yeah, that was the moment where I was like, man, like this. I couldn't believe it. You know what's funny is, like, when we made that song, I remember telling Jerry, I was like, dude, I think this is, like, my favorite song that we've made. [00:42:13] Speaker A: It's just so different. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah, but, like, what sticks out? Well, people I played it for, like, especially around town, they were like, I don't get it. And I was like, okay. You know, well, I like it. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker B: And, like, is it. Is it country? Is it? And I was like, I don't know what it is. I like it. And it was just. I know it was really left field, and so. But, you know, that just goes back to. I was always just trying to make music that I liked. Yeah. And, you know, I wasn't really trying to, you know, fit in with anybody or any particular thing. It was just like, yeah, I like this. I'm a little bit of this. I'm a little bit of that. And, you know, this. This particular time, it just happened to hit, so. [00:42:52] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, it's. It's got that hook that just sticks. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:55] Speaker A: Your fucking head over and over again. What they call a hit song because it fucking hits and doesn't. Doesn't go. What? Doesn't go out, dude, like, in. And your stuff. The rest of the. The rest of the EP. Like, we were talking about your daughter, like. [00:43:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Your daughter is such a fucking. Fucking. That's. That's as country of a song as you can have, like, telling the story and. Yeah, and then obviously, like, you have, like. Like, drop your tailgate. Another one that's. That can be on the dancing side, and then. Yeah, like, blame it all on country music, which is kind of like your story. Yeah, but your daughter. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Where does that come from? Is that a real story that hurt your girlfriend? [00:43:34] Speaker B: No. [00:43:34] Speaker A: No. [00:43:35] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I think that's what's. I think a lot of people assume that, but I wrote it about my little sister. Oh, yeah. So. Our dad was an addict growing up. We lost him. I was 17 years old. She was seven. And so it was kind of like the closing of a chapter. Like, I remember there was just a time where, like, I wanted her to know that I had her back, you know? And, you know, when I wrote the song, like, our dad was already gone, but I was writing it from the perspective of us as kids, you know, because, like, it was something that, like, we knew was going on, but we really couldn't explain, like, what was going on. And, you know, it was one of those things where, like, you just sometimes, like, to heal that part of you, you got to go back, you know, to the dark. And, like, even though things might be good now, it's, like, you got to go back to. In your head and your memories to fix it. And so, yeah, I just. I think it was a good turning point for my family to reach a path of, like, getting closer together and also, like, kind of getting. Getting on the path of forgiveness, too. [00:44:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's just you and Jerry, huh? [00:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I brought that. I pretty much had the song, like. And then Jerry's just amazing with, like, making sure everything fits in the melody and stuff like that. So, you know, taking out a syllable here and there, and he had this. This awesome line that, like, I just said, that's got to go on the song. And I think it was. It was the line broken heart armor, and I had never heard that way before, and I had another line originally, and I liked the line, and I thought that's, that's. This is what the song's gonna be, and, and, but this also, like, rhymed with it and fit really well. And I was like, man, like, that is just so on the nose of what I'm trying to say. Like, like, broken heart armor is just, like, exactly like, what everybody puts on. Like, when we get hurt, we develop this defense mechanism to keep other people away. Yeah, and that's what I'm trying to say. And so I replaced, you know, that, and. But, man, it's just, yeah, I'm really glad. There's a few songs that, like, you know, I was thinking of this today, like, and this is, this is getting really heady and, like, spiritual. Like, I was, I was driving down back from Kentucky, and I was just thinking about, like, the creative process, and I was getting, like, really spiritual, like, you know, about, like, you know, God and my faith and everything. And, like, you know, just, like, the source of, like, all that is. And, like, the fact that, like, you know, the first verse in the Bible is, like, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so, like, if we are, like, made in that image of the source at all, like, creativity would be one of those images, one of those things, and that means that God is creative. And I think, like, you know, our songs can become like, our babies, you know? And it's like, when you create something like that, that really means something to you. And then you, like, if someone were to tell you that, like, this sucks, this is the worst song I ever heard, like, how that would, like, destroy, you know, you. And there's only certain songs like that, but, like, you know, I think of, like, how we talk to ourselves. Like, I hate myself. I'm a worthless piece of shit. Like, I don't deserve it. And it's like, I was like, man, how that seems to something that created us, and not in a way that's, like, sympathetic towards God's feelings, but in a way that, like, he must have thought it was necessary for us to be here, must have thought it was necessary for us to exist in the way that, like, when we're creating, we're expressing ourselves because we think that this thing we're making is necessary to exist. I thought it was necessary for that song to exist. And. And so I'm glad it exists in the fact that it brought my family closer together, the fact that it helped us, you know, understand each other and feel understood and, you know, feel less alone and everything, so. Yeah, that's the extent of that one. Really? [00:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I personally love it. That's my, that is. I know projects like the hit, but that's my favorite as someone that's around. I'm not a writer or musician or any of that stuff, but I'm. I like to me and Nikki like to say we're really good at listening. [00:47:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:27] Speaker A: That's what we, like, like, doing. And now, what is a. For those that haven't been, what is a chase McDaniel show? Like, because I feel like we were talking about roller coaster earlier. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker A: Feel like that's the show because you have. You can get into a swell with a song like that and then you can come right back up. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Well, I always, I think I always thought about, you know, growing up in Kentucky, like, you said you were going to 70, 80 shows like that. Like, there was no live music. [00:47:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:52] Speaker B: And so, like, live music was the church. That's it. And so I didn't even know, like, until I got, like, those nickelback records and, like, I had a Josh Turner CD. That was my first one. But, you know, I thought bluegrass music was just it, like, because bluegrass was. Was our gospel. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:08] Speaker B: So, like, within the church, people sang hymns and people saying, you know, gospel songs, but it's all bluegrass. It was all with a fit with a mandolin or with, you know, something like that or banjo. And so, like, that was the only live music. Like, people would go to church functions or a revival, and that was where you heard harmony and got to go do, like, a, quote unquote concert. My first concert concert was when I was in college, and it was Jason Aldean, NFGL, and it was at Rep arena. And so, like. And I think a lot of it was just, you know, the area that I grew up and just, like, you know, the state of the. Just all of us is that, you know, we didn't have money to go to concerts. Like, you think nowadays, like, you know, going to concert is expensive? I mean, even back then, you know, if you're paying $40 plus travel, finding a babysitter, that's just not the. The resources that my family had. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:58] Speaker B: And so. But church was free, you know? [00:49:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:01] Speaker B: So, yeah, like, I didn't get to experience a country concert and, like, the party aspect of that until I got older. But I think a lot of, like, how I designed my show is from movies because I love movies. And then also that church experience, that revival experience in the way that it's like a party, but also there's an invitation to, like, be your truest self. Not that there's any, like, you know, like, pushing anything on anybody at all, but, you know, I love. I love. I love the party songs, and I always thought that, like, I needed those, like, anyway, because I love to have a good time. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:38] Speaker B: And, you know, to get the crowd going. But then I have those songs, like, that. That, like, I think are the reason people come to the shows. You know? Like, when I was growing up, like, I really connected to artists, but I connected to them through a lot of their album cuts, like, a lot of their deeper tracks. And if I were to go. Want to go see one, it was because of a song probably nobody else, really. [00:49:57] Speaker A: What would be an example of that? [00:50:02] Speaker B: Let me think of that. I think there's so many out there. Yeah, I think an example of that would be I would see John Mayor and, like, you know, I think a lot of people would go to see, like, bodies of Wonderland or whatever. Like, I went to hear shadow days, and I don't even remember if he played it, like, but it was like, that song connected me so much to him that, like, I wanted to go see him in concert anyway. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Like, I think at the time I was younger, I wasn't as familiar with his mainstream stuff. I got. I went really deep into John Mayer as I got into my, you know, my twenties. But a lot to go through. Yeah, yeah, but that, I was like, oh, dang. Like, there's somebody out here who understands this feeling. That's what I wanted to connect to, you know? And it wasn't a song that was ever on the radio. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, those are the. Those are the best ones, dude. [00:50:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:46] Speaker A: Like, that's shit that you really connect with. So this year, what have you been writing? A lot. Sounds like we got you good, buddy. It happens. Wrong. Wrong pipe. Hands up in the air. [00:50:59] Speaker B: Wow, that HD. Oh, man. [00:51:01] Speaker A: It happens. [00:51:01] Speaker B: High quality. [00:51:02] Speaker A: High quality. Km, circle k, the good shit. What. What was. What do you got going on the rest of this year? So you're writing a ton. You just put out the project back in 20? Put out. Blame it all on country music back in January. What do we have for the rest of this year? [00:51:21] Speaker B: Writing, recording, and releasing music. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, we have shows. We're playing CMA fest in June. We've got a couple shows, like, you know, we're traveling to. I wish I could remember the cities right now. I'm the worst at, like, knowing, like, which city we're in. I feel like you gotta know how to. [00:51:37] Speaker A: I was a tour, man. [00:51:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So you know what city you're in. [00:51:39] Speaker A: I can tell you where. Where Musk and I'm bloodline played you probably years ago. Yeah. [00:51:43] Speaker B: It's just, like, nightmares about. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Just ingrained, advancing shows, doing all that stuff. [00:51:48] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:51:48] Speaker A: So are you gonna. You gonna be out on the road quite a bit this year, you think? [00:51:51] Speaker B: Um, we're talking about opening up a tour again in the fall. I want to get. I want to complete the project first. Like, I'm working on all new music. It'll be my first, like, releases, like. Like, truly under the label, and just, like, you know, I want to get that first, like, statement of who I am, like, out to the world, and, like, representation of, like, you know, what I felt was missing in country music when I was growing up. And I love what we've made. I feel like I'm writing the best songs that I've ever wrote in my life. Like, the thing. The things that I have coming out, I think, like, you never know, but, like, I feel like they resonate with me more than, you know, what I've released in the past. And so I'm excited to get those out. I'm excited to do what I love in the sense of, like, release music and, you know, share stories and connect with the fans. Again, dude, something that, like, you miss about not being on the road, because, like, I love both aspects of being an artist. I was explaining this somebody the other day, but, like, I love. Writing's probably my first love. [00:52:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:52:50] Speaker B: At the same time, I can't do it for too long, or I'll go insane. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Because it's like, it's so creative. You're so in your head, and, like, by the time, like, you get home, you realize, okay, I haven't had anything to eat at 07:00 p.m., like, I'm like, I've got a stomach full of black coffee, and I'm, like, shaking. And, like, I've just been thinking about this one line for 3 hours. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:07] Speaker B: You know, and, like, that can really, like, mess you up mentally. So it's like, you got to get out and do something physical. Yeah. [00:53:12] Speaker A: Or you can get into your head about. You can be talking like you're talking about a song like your daughter. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:17] Speaker A: You could be reliving all these deep, dark memories in your head, and it can fuck up your head for probably a week at a time. Honestly, if you write something that's really deep, I'd imagine dude, your next 24, 48 plus hours, you're just in a fog, and your girlfriend and your boys are probably looking at you like, what's going on, dude? [00:53:33] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. [00:53:34] Speaker A: You probably run into that. [00:53:35] Speaker B: No, it does. It does affect you, like, your relationships and, like, you socially, too, because I know, like, there's some days when, like, you know, I'll have made plans or whatever, and, like, I just wrote a song that I'm like, shit, dude, I did not anticipate writing that today. And then, like, it's 07:00. You're supposed to be at red door, and you're like, I don't think I could. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:49] Speaker B: You know, but, yeah, man, I'll say to the lows that come from just the process of creating, and I think I'm learning, like, more of who I am and how I go about this process. But, like, you know when you wrote what, you feel, like the best song you've ever written, and, like, you do that a couple times in a month, and then you don't do that the next month. Oh, my God. The bottom is sucks. It just. It hits hard. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Have you had that recently, you think? [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think, like, yeah, it's. You feel like, oh, my God, there's this thing that I finally. I finally caught it because, like, creativity is always something you just want to be, like, attuned to. Like, you just want to kind of be in the space of, like, you know, it's gonna find me, because I don't. I don't. I've never really felt like I wrote a song. I felt like a song just, like, kind of found me, and I was just happened to be there in the room, and it just kind of spilled out. [00:54:40] Speaker A: You're the vehicle for it. [00:54:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just, like, you just kind of have, like, your satellite, like, in the sky, and it just, like, where do they come from? They just fall out of the sky. Like, I can't explain it. Like. And, like. And there are times when, like, you know, you can sit down and just force a great song. Like, I think there's people who have made a career off that, and they're incredible at it. I don't know if I'm one of those guys. I am one of those guys that, like, I have to, like, be inspired and I have to chase inspiration, and, like, when it does hit me, it just falls out of the sky, and I'm grateful for it, but I'm like, God, is it ever gonna come again? Is it ever gonna happen again? Yeah. And so, like, there's, you know, been a couple times where I'm like, dude, we just wrote the best song I think I've ever written my life, you know, and then. And then you do that a couple more times because you're like, you're on a streak, you know, and then you fall off the streak and you're like, oh, I'm. I'm nothing. I suck. I am garbage. [00:55:27] Speaker A: I was that when you go and demo the songs that you are proud of, to do that during the. During the streak and live off of those for a little bit. Yeah, I feel like that's what I would do. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah, no, for sure. Well, I mean, usually, like, these days, like, you're, you know, you're going into a riot and you're getting a demo. Like, we usually within, like, the week. [00:55:43] Speaker A: And you're right with Jerry. You've. The tracks are fucking going. [00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they're, they're. They're getting. They're going. [00:55:51] Speaker A: The turnaround's crazy on that now, isn't it? It wasn't like that a few years ago. [00:55:55] Speaker B: Yeah, apparently that's like a new thing. Like the whole, you know, like, producer in the room. And what's funny is, like, you know, I mean, I was always writing by myself, and Jerry was kind of my first co writer. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:56:05] Speaker B: I had had co rights before, but, like, that was the one that, like, first clicked. And Jerry did tracks, like, in the room as it went. And so I think that was just so inspiring to me because I hadn't been around that much music at one time. Usually it was just a guitar or just a piano. And with the track, I could hear more of the melody, what it should be in my head. And I think that was really good for me. It was a great exercise as a writer because I'm limited on the guitar. I play guitar live and everything, and I play my own songs, but it's like, I'm not a lead guitar player, and so I'm limited by what I know on the guitar. And I think most people, regardless of what, you know, on an instrument, would be limited to that instrument and, like, how it could inspire melody. [00:56:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:48] Speaker B: And so if you have someone else in the room who is talented on multiple instruments, just a mandolin can inspire a different melody than the same thing you've been hearing on a guitar every day. [00:56:58] Speaker A: Change the whole vibe of the song. [00:57:00] Speaker B: It can. Yeah. And. And I think it's. It's necessary because melodies are what inspire me. Like, if I can hear that thing, then I'm gonna. I'll have something. [00:57:08] Speaker A: But, yeah, talking about writing and stuff. You've been. You've been writing with two of my favorite dudes. I collect a lot of. A lot of friends from the state of Alabama. Yeah, the dudes. I remember when. When Jimmy Stemmy. Jimmy. Justin Holt, and then Clay Barker. I had met after he had been in town for a little bit. But Jimmy, I remember when he first moved up here. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:57:28] Speaker A: After a kickball game, we were at Ryan Nelson's house, the redneck house. I remember this little. He looked like chicken little. It was this little kid. Come. Come up. Come up to me. It was a. Hey, man, I'm. I'm Justin Holt. I just moved. I just moved up here from Alabama, and we just hit it right off, dude. And those guys I know enjoy writing with you. And, dude, those are my boys, man. What's it like getting to know those guys? [00:57:51] Speaker B: The first night I met him was at Whiskey Row, and I had no music out. I don't know if I've ever played a writers round. Like, I had tried to, but, like, just. Nobody gave a shit about me, and so, like, it was hard to get in and, like. And I don't know that, like, yeah, like, I think, like, not having music out, not really being, like, acclimated to the new people coming in town and everything. Like, I showed up to whiskey row, and there's a guy in town named Stephen. Paul. [00:58:17] Speaker A: I know Stephen. [00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Paul's pickles. [00:58:19] Speaker A: Paul's pickles. Shout out. Paul's pickles. [00:58:21] Speaker B: And he was. He was posting this round, and a buddy of mine introduced us, and, dude, he was the nicest guy, man. He was like, he's like, you playing sing. I was like, yeah. And he's like, you want to get up here and play my round? I was like, what? Yeah, I'd love to. And I think about that now. I'm like, nobody does that, dude. Like, that was the nicest thing that guy could have ever done for me. [00:58:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:41] Speaker B: I got up and played around with Justin and Clay. It was just the three of us up there, and I guess I don't know if they had been up there, were scheduled to be up there or not, but I heard their songs, and I was like, they have to be. I have to be their friend. They have to be my friends. Like, we gotta write together. And. And so I talked to him, and I kind of bugged him, but I was like, hey, you guys want to write you sometime? Think we could write something cool, like. Cause Justin was doing this kind of rappy, cool. Like cadence, fresh, swaggy. Yeah. And I just knew if we could get together, we'd make something cool. But, like, I was, like, being kind of, you know, green about. I was like, guys, like, we should you get together in a room, like, a little crack at it. Like, yeah, like, we make something really cool, you know? And. And I think I bugged him about him for, like, maybe a month, and then we finally, like, wrote at. I think we're Clay and Justin living together with Trey. Yeah, yeah, we wrote at that house because I remember somebody else was riding in another room, I think was Trey. And I could hear him singing, and I'm like, damn, that guy's got a good voice. I was like, you know, we were writing in the living room, and we got a good song, and then I told him, I was like, hey, guys, like, I'm writing with this guy who, like, he makes these really cool demos. Like, I think, like, and he's a good writer. I think we should all three of us, like, go write with him. And they didn't know Jerry at all. I was like, I think we can make something really cool. And. And they did. And that day, we wrote, like, our favorite song. And then, like, I was like, okay, they're my friends now, you know, and. But they are, dude, they're my boys. Like, you know, I'd hit him up for anything and do. They wrote blame it all on country music with me. And that day, I had another idea that was basically blame it all on country music, but we realized that was another song, and so we decided to write, like, a story song, like anne's, you know, daddy won't do this, and, damn. And. And then the rap thing, obviously, the cadence thing in the second verse, that was, you know, me and Justin, and I was like, dude, he's just. He's awesome. And I think, you know, his times just coming. Dude, he's. Dude, Clay's. Clay's got. [01:00:35] Speaker A: You talk about. You talk about, like, the. The rock country right now. Clay is that guy. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Well, his ability, and he inspires me on the guitar because he grew up doing metal, and so he knows all of these rock chords. I didn't know I knew the chicken picking stuff, and so, you know, and, like, now I have a lot of that rock because I listened to so much rock music, but I didn't learn it on the guitar. I learned country music because country was my first love. I wanted to sing Randy Travis. I wanted to sing Brad Paisley. And so. But now I realize, like, oh, my God, I've got nickelback. I've got daughter. I've got Papa roach in my veins right now. I've got switch foot bleeding through. I'm like, I need to get that in this music. And so. So Clay will come in. He's like, I got this guitar riff, and it's like. It's sick. And I'm like, yeah, we're writing to that dude. Yeah, but, yeah, dude, those guys are just. They're a great time. You know, we went. We went out over here to this bar down the road, rusty nail, I think blame it on country music drops, and we're all just, you know, we're gonna be. [01:01:36] Speaker A: We're actually gonna be there tonight. We do multiple. We do nice events. We do. That's a month out there now. We're doing. We're up to, like, ten to 15 events a month in. [01:01:45] Speaker B: Good for you, man. That's amazing. Proud of you, dude. [01:01:47] Speaker A: We're not just every other Tuesday or every other or. Nikki used to be once a month on Sundays, and now he's every Sunday at Live oak. I'm every other Tuesday at Live Oak. We do the full band shit. [01:01:57] Speaker B: That's awesome, dude. Winners, losers, dude, I wear my camo, raise rowdy hat all the time. My girlfriend steals it from me. Oh, let's go. [01:02:09] Speaker A: That's a good, nice, good, solid thing. [01:02:10] Speaker B: You go hunting? [01:02:11] Speaker A: I've never been really. I've had multiple people tell me that they're gonna be the ones that take me. Like, Andy Austin from old hickory's, like, brill. I'ma put you on a turkey. And, like, coming up with, like, the Mustang bloodline. Guys. Like, they are taking most of the spring off so Charlie can go golf. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Wow. [01:02:27] Speaker A: And so Gary can go kill turkeys. Gary's killed turkeys in, like, 25 states, I think. [01:02:32] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. [01:02:34] Speaker A: Like, I have buddies that are like, john Langston was like, come down to the farm, boy. Come on down, New Yorker. [01:02:39] Speaker B: You know, I used to hear stories like that, and I used to think, like, man, how could you be doing this and not work? Like, I'd be just grinding and grinding grind. And I'm like, you. You have to. You have to do stuff that you love to stay inspired. [01:02:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:49] Speaker B: You got to go back home. You got to go fishing. You got to be out of nature. You got to go to New York and see a Broadway show. Like, you know what I'm saying? [01:02:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:55] Speaker B: You got to do stuff that fills you up creatively so that you can go back and write a song that means something to you. [01:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:01] Speaker B: And. And I just realized that this year when, like, I hit a wall, so. [01:03:05] Speaker A: I'm like, so what's your thing? What's your release? [01:03:07] Speaker B: I love fish. Yeah? Yeah. Like. Like, Jerry and I, we rented out a. An Airbnb or a cabin or something last year in, like, Gatlinburg or, like, somewhere out in east Tennessee that, like, was just surrounded by, like, you know. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Which got after it. [01:03:19] Speaker B: Yeah. They're just cast, and then you're talking. You can talk song ideas, like, while you're fishing, but you got something going on. [01:03:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:26] Speaker B: To where, like, your mind's just, like, just occupied enough that you're not, like, overwhelmed by creating something. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:33] Speaker B: You know, and. And also just. Just being around nature, man. Like, I think there's something, like, real peaceful about it or being on the water, like, just being on a boat. Like, you know, that's cool to me. [01:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, absolutely. Absolutely, bro. Well, I'm very excited for what's coming for you, dude. Super stoked for love. Love the project. And excited for what's coming after. Like, what you've got teed up for the rest of this year and just watching you grow and do your thing and people finally having the eyes and ears that they've always should have had on you. It's exciting, man. Seriously. You're proud. Member. We're proud to have you in our family. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. You know, I was playing your rounds before anything else. [01:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, no, we would have you, and I'm trying to think who. I think you were the one that introduced me to Jerry. [01:04:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:04:19] Speaker A: I remember playing Justin, booking rounds, like, and then Clay and Justin being like, hey, we got our buddy Jerry. I'm like, jerry Jacobs. That's like, chase. And I'm like, yeah, we all made it with all boys. I'm, like, sick. So, yeah, dude, I mean, you're. You're one of our. One of our day ones for. For me with my round and what we do. So it's full circle to have you on the pod, bro. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Appreciate it, man. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Super excited for what's to come. Where can people go to find you? [01:04:42] Speaker B: People will find me. Chase me, Daniel. Music anywhere. Well, I meant Spotify, chase McDaniel, you know, YouTube. Chase me down everywhere else. Chase me down. Music, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all that. [01:04:50] Speaker A: Hell, yeah, dude. Well, I appreciate you. [01:04:52] Speaker B: Appreciate you, dude. Thanks for having me. [01:04:53] Speaker A: I'll be sure to check out our boy Chase. Make Daniel. He's got a ton of stuff out right now. Blame it all on country music. You can see baby Chase on the album cover right there. One of our good buddies here here in Nashville, tennis and got a bunch of stuff coming, so y'all stay tuned. Follow him for all the latest updates from an chase. I'm Matt Barrel. You all be sure to follow along with us. Visit raise rowdy.com for all things rowdy and check out all of our socials at outside the round. Thank you guys for watching and listening. Tell your mom and them hit that subscribe button. We will see you next time. I never been the kind for one place for too long I ain't never been the best at sin I love you to a girl I love only got a couple tricks on my sleeve they usually just make em leave so if you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony maybe the drink and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick on it yeah.