Vinnie Paolizzi

Speaker 1 00:00:13 What is going on? Everyone? Welcome back to the In The Round podcast. You got Matt here Today. We are hanging out at the RCA Studio. It's badass, uh, super cool vibe. Got our boy Vinny pe Lizzie on with us today. But real quick, gotta tell y'all about our sponsors. Of course, our friends at Whale Tale Media, you know, they got you covered for content. If you get a hitch, if you're looking for video shit in town, whale Tale Media, they have got you covered. Check 'em out at Whale Tale do com. Also, shout out to our friends at Saxon Studios, Grady, Axman, Saul, the whole crew, big supporters of the industry. They champion the independent artists and they make your shit sound really, really good. So make sure you check them out. Saxon Studios, tell them in the Round has sent you. And last, but certainly not least, are friends in the Green World. Speaker 1 00:01:00 Baby Trailside, CBD Emporium, hemp, cbd, and that very tasty hemp-derived Delta eight thc. 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So yeah, Speaker 1 00:02:06 Doing revival and being on DUM all the time, like this is a nice little spot to get from there to here. And then from here to over there. If you're running, if you're, if you're writing on a Tuesday and gotta get over there, you're playing somewhere. Speaker 2 00:02:19 Exactly. It's a safe place to park too. And Speaker 1 00:02:21 Dude, yeah, the parking set up here is dope Speaker 2 00:02:24 Excellente. Speaker 1 00:02:25 Yeah, that's the hardest part about being in music. Rowan in Midtown is the damn parking at times. Speaker 2 00:02:30 Yeah. Especially, um, as the world is opening again. Yeah. The tra I mean, it's awesome and I, I'm very happy about it. But the, the Nashville traffic is, is, is back in a big way, Speaker 1 00:02:41 Dude. It really is. Did you think now, how, how long have you been down here from, uh, from Philly? Speaker 2 00:02:46 I moved here, uh, December, 2017. Okay. So, um, I was here a good like two and a half years, um, you know, pre pandemic and stuff. So I, I got to see, and it changed a ton just in that time. I'd, I'd, I'd been coming here for maybe two years before that. So from five, six years ago to now is, it's, it's still a big change, man. It's, there's a lot, uh, there's a lot happening here. Speaker 1 00:03:08 Did you think the traffic was gonna be as bad as, or if not worse than back home? Speaker 2 00:03:12 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not as bad. It truly isn't. I mean, if, if you've been on Schu Expressway, well, Speaker 1 00:03:17 Yeah, the fuck, fuck The Schule <laugh> I love, I like Philly Laa. Fuck the Schule. Speaker 2 00:03:21 It's, it's the, it's the worst. It's, uh, because they can't get it bigger. It's on, I mean, it's on a mountain and a river. Yeah. So you, there's no widening it. Uh, I thought like nothing could be worse than that. And it's still not quite that bad. And I'm, I'm super lucky I have this spot right on Music Row that, you know, we, we write out a ton. And then I, I live right in Sullivan Park, so I don't, yeah, I don't go like crazy far, you know, I, I like, you know, getting out in Tennessee sometimes and going Chattanooga and, um, like, we go to Louisville a ton. Uh, but as far as like my in town life, it's, it's pretty straightforward. I like it, dude. Speaker 1 00:03:53 That's the dream set up to be living in a place like Sullivan Park to have an office in Music Row. Yeah. And to be as involved in Midtown as you are, like, you're, you're golden. See, I, when I first moved here, I lived in Spring Hill. Oh man. And I was, I was bouncing on Broadway, so I was up and down 65 doing those, doing those bouncing shifts at, uh, at Whiskey Row. That was a pain in the ass. Then I moved to Laverne, which I was like, great, we're closer. But then I got, then I had to deal with I 24, and I was like, Ugh. Now I'm in Antioch, I'm in Lower Antioch and gets a little dicey late at night. But, but, uh, but the traffic, it's everywhere. Dude. Dude, it is everywhere. Nashville's pretty crazy with as far as like hood and like, stuff just happening. Speaker 2 00:04:32 Yeah. I mean, uh, it's, it's a great place to live. And I, and I don't want to shine Speaker 1 00:04:36 It. Yeah. Oh no, absolutely. If you're thinking about coming here, come here. Speaker 2 00:04:39 But if you, but if you, if you grew up in a city or in just a crowded place like we did, um, you just, you live a little differently. And people that move here from a place where you don't lock your doors and not, like, I never lived like that. So I, I, that doesn't really cross my mind. But if you leave your door unlocked and someone goes through your car, you can't, I mean, that's, that's what happens. Yeah. You Speaker 1 00:04:58 Know what I mean? <laugh> Yeah. You, yeah. You don't, you don't wanna take that chance. So growing up in Westchester, what was that like? Oh, Speaker 2 00:05:03 It was great, man. I, I, uh, I, I didn't appreciate it as much as I should have. Um, but um, I grew up in a giant Italian Catholic family. Speaker 1 00:05:12 Hey. Speaker 2 00:05:13 Which was amazing. Yeah. And, um, and a lot of people that love music, but not a ton of like, players. I had one uncle that that played, um, but pretty early on, like, I got into my dad's record collection, like all Jackson Brown and Springsteen. And we, we had a record player, which was awesome. Um, like I remember, you know, uh, like, uh, the Loggins and Messina, the House of Po Corner record with the white and everything. Yeah. Like all that, all that kind of stuff, um, was just kind of like playing all the time. And my dad always had music on and my, and my, and my mom too. But they, they always had music on. So I just kind of like started getting into it like little by little. And, um, I was also super lucky that, um, a bunch of friends I had in like, you know, like elementary, middle school, they all started a band and they couldn't find a singer. What, Speaker 1 00:06:02 What was the band called? Speaker 2 00:06:04 Oh, Speaker 1 00:06:04 Come on. Speaker 2 00:06:05 Scissor Kick. Speaker 1 00:06:06 Scissor Kick Baby. Speaker 2 00:06:07 S I Z Z E R. Ooh. Speaker 1 00:06:09 With the Speaker 2 00:06:09 Zs. Oh yeah. And we played pretty much family parties and whatever, but all of them were too scared to sing. And I played a little bit of guitar. I thought it was amazing. I was terrible. Um, but I was like, I'll join your band and I'll be your singer. I wanted, I wanted to be in that crew. Like I wanted, I wanted the whole thing. Um, they're still some of my best friends. Uh, um, one of them, uh, who was like the wildest of all of us is having a baby and just told us the other day, and it's just, that is when your wildest friend from growing up is having children. That is like a crazy Speaker 1 00:06:38 <laugh>. Yeah. What a thought. It's like, Speaker 2 00:06:40 It was a, that was a moment in my, Speaker 1 00:06:42 Yeah. I'm not there yet with my crazy crew back home. Cause I too have a crazy crew. We didn't do the band thing, but we got into all kinds of shit in New York and New Jersey. Nobody has a kid yet. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:06:50 This was the first one. And, and like all of a sudden our like group thing are like, we're all uncles. Like, Speaker 1 00:06:54 This Speaker 2 00:06:54 Is, this is so crazy. Speaker 1 00:06:55 Yeah. That is awesome. Speaker 2 00:06:57 Um, but yeah, I, I started playing with them and we learned our first songs were like, um, you shook Me all night long. Hell yeah. And like, uh, learned a bunch of red hot chili pepper songs we learned, uh, twisted Sister, um, take, Speaker 1 00:07:09 We're not gonna take it. We're gonna take it. Speaker 2 00:07:11 Oh yeah. Just what I needed by the Cars, which is actually a wonderfully written Speaker 1 00:07:14 Song. Yeah. Oh yeah. Speaker 2 00:07:14 That is an incredibly written song. Um, and yeah, we just played, you know, and like I said, I had that huge family, so we played, you know, family parties and, uh, just got to like, do it. Um, and I felt very lucky about that. Um, and then we, like, as, as we got older, you know, we're all going to school and stuff and Speaker 1 00:07:35 Yeah. You you end up staying in Philly for school. Speaker 2 00:07:37 Yeah, man, I, I went to, uh, I went to Temple Speaker 1 00:07:39 University. Nice. Yeah. So you know about Insomnia Cookies? Oh dude. Oh, the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:07:43 The best. And, uh, I know Basque Sketchy neighborhoods too. When you were talking about that, Speaker 1 00:07:47 That, that, that is, that is Temple. Oh, Speaker 2 00:07:49 It's, it's, it was such a good school, man. I, I loved it there. And I, I got to still play shows all the time. I got to go to Aton of shows. I mean, yeah. Speaker 1 00:07:56 What's, what's your favorite Philly venue? I Speaker 2 00:07:58 Love the TLA on, on South Street. Speaker 1 00:08:00 Such an underrated thing. And you can get all kinds of music in there. Like, you, you can literally, like, you name it, whether it's a hip hop artist, it's a dj. Yeah. It's alt, it's indie, even country recently. Like Speaker 2 00:08:11 I saw Citizen Cope there a bunch of times, bro, Speaker 1 00:08:13 Who was one Speaker 2 00:08:13 Of my favorite Speaker 1 00:08:14 Songwriters. Speaker 2 00:08:14 Yeah. And the, the, I realized this, like the third time I went the, the floor, it is angled. Yep. Speaker 1 00:08:20 Yeah. So dips down a little bit. It's Speaker 2 00:08:22 Great. So the people in the back, you can see over everyone. Like, so I would just, I was stand in the back and, and, and get like the last minute tickets to every show. Um, I saw Butch Walker there as one of my favorite producers, um, and songwriters. Um, but yeah, temple was a perfect spot for me. And I, I got hooked up with this booking agent that booked me at like every, and I was doing solo stuff. I was writing like Mumford and SUNY songs basically, and, and learning a ton of covers cuz I would, I loved like just learning songs. And, uh, I got this booking agent to book me like every wedding country club bar gig, you know, four hour cover set that you could imagine around Philly and the suburbs and everything. But I could still do all that while gonna school. I didn't have to like, you know, move halfway across the country and I didn't, I didn't love it. By the end, I was playing like 175 shows a year. Wow. And gonna school full-time. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:09:11 How old are you now? How old are you now? And how old were you when you were doing that? You're what, 20 years old when you were doing that? Speaker 2 00:09:16 19? Yes. I'm, I'm 20, I'm about to be 27 next month. Okay. I guess I was, yeah, I was 19 when I signed with that booking agent, um, deal. And it, it, it was great. And it was, and it was, uh, enough money to make it worth it to like pay, pay off the bunch of school loans and, and not have to like, you know, I paid for college myself. I paid my rent myself, I did all that. I, I bought a car, you know. Um, and, and it was cool cause I got to practice for three hours a day in front of people, even if they weren't really listening. I still got like a ton of time, um, with my guitar. And I also got my guitar that I have now. It's like my favorite, like absolute favorite piece of gear I've ever had. I got it right at, right at the beginning of all that. And so I got to watch that age and like, know how to get to know an instrument and, and get better to instrument and all that kind of stuff. It was a huge blessing. Like, looking back, I kind of, I, I, again, I wish I would've appreciated it more cause I was so, I was so dead set on like the dream, you know? And like sometimes all, all that stuff is part of it, you know what Speaker 1 00:10:17 I mean? Yeah, no, absolutely, man. I mean, that's the road you gotta take. And there's a lot of folks that come here and wanna do the writer. They're, they're writers, but they don't have experience playing shows or they're, they're doing the cover band thing, but they don't know how to write. But like, it sounds like with your situation, you were able to do both of that. Being up in Philly. Now, what was the weirdest gig you did? Because that kind of scene, especially up that way, you go out to like western pa, you go up to, like, you go up to Jersey, you went on to Delaware, like Delco, like some of those areas you could find some interesting shit. Speaker 2 00:10:48 I mean, everything from like, you know, you agree on a price and then the, the person who runs the party forgets the price <laugh>, and then Yep. They give you like 50% more just because they're drunk and they don't know how to write a check. Um, like stupid stuff like that. I got asked to be part of a proposal one time on the river in Philly, which was like beautiful. But I was just like playing an Ed Sheeran song while this guy like asked this woman to marry him. And she said yes, but she hesitated. Speaker 1 00:11:14 Oh no. And I was, Speaker 2 00:11:15 I mean, in the moment I was like, this could be like the most cr and as I'm like walking to this spot, I'm like, what is my life? Like what, what am I doing with my, what? Like what I, I have a, I'm like about to get a business degree, like what, what is this? But I just, I, you know, I was, I was just into it. I I, there was, it was almost easier for me to do music than to try to do something else because I had like this internship and the whole time that I was at the internship, I had to be on a computer. I was just booking shows. And then my last semester in college, I was playing so many shows that I had to take phone calls with booking people while I was in my class. So I kept like, I was just like, this is crazy. Like I, it's easier for me to just do the music thing than to like pretend to do something Speaker 1 00:12:00 Else. Now. Now what, what'd your family think about that? You go to college and you do all that. What, what was that transition? Cuz what was your major? Were you doing like business administration or what? It was cool. Speaker 2 00:12:09 I, I, I was super, like, like I said, temple was like the perfect place for me. And they had a very small, uh, entrepreneurship program Speaker 1 00:12:16 Oh, nice. Speaker 2 00:12:16 Where you could kind of like build your own major for what you wanted to do. So I got to do like certain music classes and art classes and, um, stuff that I just wanted to do. Um, and they, they were super great about giving me the classes that would help me with that and not just making me take like, like I took the highest level finance, highest level risk, highest level stuff, just cuz that's what I, I, I wanted to have all that, but I didn't have to take like, the BS classes, like marketing classes Speaker 1 00:12:42 Over and over again. So you basically got a music business degree from Temple University. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:12:47 And it was, and Speaker 1 00:12:47 Which is awesome. Speaker 2 00:12:48 And, and as much of, as much of a scene, quote unquote as Philly has, I, I did all the stuff. Yeah. I mean, I played on the radio stations, I did the, uh, and I, and I truly wasn't good enough when I was there. And I think moving here was the only thing that made me able to get to, I'm not that I'm, you know, uh, at this crazy level now, but, uh, I, I think that it was a logical next step for me to move here because it just, I wasn't gonna get, there wasn't any more I was gonna get. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:13:15 You hit, you hit your ceiling. Speaker 2 00:13:16 Yeah. And that, and that was fine. I was okay with that. Um, but, but again, school, uh, my parents wanted me to go to college. Uh, and I totally understood why I was not ready to do music full-time when I was 18 years old. There's no way. Um, but I, the whole time I was there I was like, man, I really, really wanna do this. I really wanna do this. So they kind of warmed up to it. It wasn't like one day I was like, I'm not doing it anymore. Um, so I mean, I graduated, I did all this stuff. Uh, but, but I think still in the back of their minds, like, um, they support me and, and they, they, they want what's best for me and all that kind of stuff. But I, I, I think they do worry, you know, I Speaker 1 00:13:55 Know my family worries about me. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:13:57 Because it's, cuz it's, it is just, it's the instability. It's, it's not, it's not that they don't believe in my, my drive or my art or, I mean, imagine if I was playing death metal, you know what I mean? Yeah. And they really didn't get it <laugh>. But, um, but I think that that the way that they, like, you know, they're grandchildren of immigrants and all that kind of stuff. Like, um, you, you, you that base that stability is what you work your whole life for, you know, and, and to, to completely disregard that Speaker 1 00:14:24 <laugh>. Yeah, bro. I feel it. Now what, what, what, what did your, what have you, what did your parents do when you were growing up? Like, or what do they do now? Speaker 2 00:14:30 Yeah. Um, so like before I was born, uh, my parents ran delis. Um, bro, Speaker 1 00:14:35 You're Italian is I, I Speaker 2 00:14:37 I know, right? I know. Um, but, uh, right. I love it. I think right about when I was, I'm not sure exactly the timeline right about when I was born, um, my dad got into like, kind of threw a series of events into like, uh, packaging stuff. So like, now it's awesome. Uh, his, his company is shipping a lot of the vaccine kind of stuff. So it's all like medical. FedEx is one of their clients, so he gets to come to Tennessee, which is awesome. Yeah. Um, and my mom, uh, she's a badass. Uh, she was started in admin at a big chemical company and now she's the global director of her department, just last week. Oh. Oh yeah. She's like one of those people. Speaker 1 00:15:13 But you talk about stability, those are, those are some pretty, those are some nine, those are like some nine to fives and like some, some things where you work your way up a ladder and it's that, it's what you kind of imagine working as like growing up in America. Definitely. And like you said, you go, you go the music route. Speaker 2 00:15:29 Yeah. They're Speaker 1 00:15:29 Like so different Speaker 2 00:15:30 And, and they're, they're not being, um, like, uh, like they're not, uh, being rude when, when, when they say like, so how do you make money on that? Like, they are genuinely like curious. But if you talk to someone who's an accountant and you're like, how much money do you make? Like, you would never ask that. You know what I mean? No. Yeah. But when you do something creative, like if you make a painting and you're like, so how much do you make on that painting after expenses? The guy's like, whoa. Like, you know, that, that's a crazy thing to ask someone just straight up in any other job and unless it's an art, you know what I mean? Speaker 1 00:16:02 Yeah, no, absolutely. I, I get, I get that question too with Yeah. With back home. And I mean, I've, my family had a, had a family business for, I would've been the, the fourth generation of that business in New York. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I said, fuck it, I'm a, a force. I was doing radio, which is like, there's no money in radio either. Yeah. And then moved down here and, but I mean, it's the, they're, they're only asking cuz like, they care, you know, what Speaker 2 00:16:25 Does your family Speaker 1 00:16:26 Do? So they, um, they had a water company called Culligan Water. They had a franchise of it, and it was my great grandpa, then my grandpa, then my mom, and then my brother, oh gosh. My sister went to Scranton. Shout out Eastern pa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's doing the physical therapy thing. My brother's, it's a great school, my brother, my Oh, great school fun time too. Scranton and St. Patrick's Day. Fucking, Speaker 2 00:16:45 Yeah. I have some family up Speaker 1 00:16:46 There. Oh, they're, they're, they're wild. Um, my brother works in like, fidi doing like, like you're talking about like accountant stuff, like, like all that shit. And then I'm down here freaking, basically in a way, it's like you're part, like, the way that we network and the way that our meetings are, it's so chill compared to corporate America. Like, I could never do that. Speaker 2 00:17:06 Yeah. It is, it is. Um, uh, it's, it's, it's awesome that, that we get to do all that kind of stuff. It's the, the, the thing that I think creative people resent the most is when someone makes it seem like you were like, it's easier. Or like, it's, it's, uh, like you're taking an easy way out or something. Like, you just wanna sit around and write songs all day, or you just want to talk on the radio all day. It's like, and, and I'm not saying that anyone in my life does that, but if you know a creative person, don't do that. <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:33 No. Ab you know what I mean? Absolutely. Because to be successful as a creative person, you gotta grind. You gotta show up, you gotta grind a bit harder Yeah. Than you do in other occupations. The, Speaker 2 00:17:42 The, the best quote ever. I, I I, I wanna get this quote tattooed on me. Uh, um, I only write when inspiration strikes. Luckily for me, it strikes every morning at 11:00 AM Hey. Yeah. It's just like the best, it, it like, completely. Like, I I, I had a ride earlier today that the Headspace just wasn't right. We got like a verse and a chorus and we were like, let's take a walk, you know? And, and we walked and I just, you know, we're like, you know what, we'll pick this up. And I just did like three hours of paperwork and bs. But like, it wasn't a waste of day <laugh>. Yeah. You know what I mean? No, Speaker 1 00:18:13 Ab Absolutely. So for you coming down here, did you know anybody down here, man? Talk about the transition of the move? Speaker 2 00:18:19 Um, so I went through and, you know, there's a song on the record kind of about it. But, um, I, uh, I was in, I, I got out of a pretty brutal relationship and I, I wasn't happy the last year I was in Philly years, like 22 and 23 of my life. Um, which just, I was, uh, I was playing all those gigs and I kind of resented them and I, I shouldn't have, but I, I was kind of bitter about a couple things. And, um, I just, I needed to get out. You know? I just, that was the bottom line. I wasn't writing, I wasn't, I was just drinking and playing shows I didn't wanna play. And that's just not a fun place to be. So I, I came here a bunch of times that summer of 2017. And, um, I just felt like of all the places, like I thought New York was just too, just, just didn't work with what I was doing. And la I just didn't have a great time when I was there. And Nashville always just felt like as soon as I got here, people were cool. Like, I wasn't, I've, I know people talk about like, this competition and this BS and all this stuff. I really don't feel that way. Like I, I feel like 90% of the people here, and you can see through, I feel like being east goes, you can see through it if it's bad, Speaker 1 00:19:23 Oh, we can see through bullshit. You know what I mean? And see if there's something bad or whatever. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:27 Yeah. And I was just like, I know I, I can navigate this. Like I can, I can work this out. I know what I'm doing here. Um, and man, a series of very fortunate events happen. I, I knew one person here, Katie Buxton, who's an amazing singer songwriter. As soon as I moved here, she moved to la Um, she was just a good friend from, from home. Uh, she opened shows for my buddy's band a bunch. She's still good friend. She's awesome. Uh, but she's doing the writer thing in la So I, like, I was down to zero friends. So my first week, I guess in Nashville, two weeks, um, I went to Revival or I went to somewhere and I saw Revival was happening on Facebook or something. And I just was like, oh, it looks fun. Like, I don't know. And I, I, uh, sent a Facebook message to the revival page and I said, Hey, my name's Vinny. Speaker 2 00:20:12 I'm from Philly. I don't know anyone here, but, um, I was thinking about coming out tonight, like I said, like, what time does it start or something? And if there's any chance I can play soon, here's my music, you know? And Rob Snyder saw my phone number and he goes, are you an Eagles fan? And I said, yeah, the band and the team <laugh>. And uh, he's like, here's my cell phone number. Call me right now. So I called him and he's like, what's your ww order? And I said it verbatim, like I, I, I have mine, mine down. What is, man, you gotta get the oven roasted Turkey with toasted the, the bread only. Right. You can't have the whole thing toasted roast it gets, gets nasty. And then you, you put lettuce, tomato, black pepper, uh, banana peppers. And then you do, um, just a little thing at the end that you, you have to do the shorty cuz the classic is 10 inches. That's too much. Yeah. And then the junior is too small. It's only four inches, but the shorty is the perfect size and you get a bag of hers sour cream and onion chips. Yes. Speaker 1 00:21:08 The hers baby. Speaker 2 00:21:09 Yeah. And that's, that's how you live your life if, if you wanna survive. You know what I mean? Um, anyways, we, I got his, uh, I got the Wawa thing, and he was like, okay, this kid's great. And I, I was not great, um, as far as music goes at that point, but, um, he just said, start coming to Revival. And I said, okay. So every Tuesday I just made it a point to just show up and hang out. I didn't, I really didn't ask for like, to, to play. I, I think I played like three, three months later or something. But I was playing a lot at the Bobby's Id hour. Yeah. Over here where I met Gabe Lee and where I met, um, a bunch of other Ray Sisk, who's an awesome songwriter. Um, but I was playing there and I was like, man, I, I'm playing these little rounds and stuff, and I started just becoming friends with Rob and I played a couple times and I've, I've played one night and he was like, Ooh, I really liked that one song. Speaker 2 00:21:59 You wrote a song called Banker Dressed in Gray. I haven't played it since, I don't think, but it's like, that was a cool song. Um, you wanna go for a hike sometime? And I was like, okay. So we went for a hike and, uh, and Percy Warner, we got lost and we just started talking about revival. And I'm like, man, I, you know, I, I ran a podcast for a minute, uh, a long time ago. And I, I also like, have some experience, you know, booking shows and stuff. And, um, if like, I just have some ideas. Like I don't, I don't need to be in any capacity, like connected with it, but I, like, this might help what you're going through and this might help. And if you need help with this, like, I know this person. Um, and just through that conversation, we like became really good friends and he's like, I really liked what you were talking about. And, uh, it was right before she got the best we came out. So he was like, he was just going through it, man, when your first song's about to come out and then it's not gonna come out. And then it does come out. Like there was like, that song was a lot going on. And Speaker 1 00:22:53 You have all these, all this attention and all these eyes on not only you, but also the event because you're, that revival's, the breeding ground for a lot of that, that crew man. Speaker 2 00:23:03 Yeah. And people were coming and people were like, you know, uh, like, it, it was always like an institution and stuff, and he just needed help, like keeping it cool and also crowded and also whatever, and it's just, it's too much for one person to do. Absolutely. Um, so he was like, man, why don't you just start helping me with stuff? And, and it just kind of like went from there. I started hosting some and then he went to the beach for a couple weeks and I just like took care of it for a month for him so he could just like do his thing. And, um, yeah, we have a really good like, system down now where like, he, he books a couple people every week. I book a couple people and like, we're still, we're friends and everything, but we just, he's been here a lot longer. He knows different, a whole different set of people. And I, you know, know a different set of people. Speaker 1 00:23:44 And what are the odds that when you shoot him that message that you're hitting up? Dude, probably the most proud Philadelphia guy in this city. Speaker 2 00:23:51 His parents live 10 minutes from my parents, not even in the same, almost the same, uh, zip code. Crazy. It's wild. Um, that's like, when you talk about like stars aligning and shit like that, that's just, that's stuff doesn't happen. No. You know, but Speaker 1 00:24:02 It happens here in Nashville for a lot of people. Right. And you just gotta go through doors as they open up. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:24:08 And that just wouldn't happen in Philly. I'm sorry. Like that, that amount of Speaker 1 00:24:10 Coincidence wouldn't have, wouldn't happen for me in New York or New Jersey either, bro. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:24:13 It just wouldn't. And I, yeah, maybe that's, uh, you know, hindsight and all that kind of stuff, but No, Speaker 1 00:24:19 It's, no, it's the truth, man. It's, um, there's something about this town for people that are believers and dreamers where, where shit can happen if you really put your mind to it and you gotta pay your dues a little bit. Definitely. Like, I feel like I paid my dues doing the radio thing up in Jersey, sleeping on a, sleeping on a couch that was a hundred miles away on a, in a radio station where I lived. Yeah. You paid your dues doing all those gigs up in Philly where you were starting to get resentment. And I Speaker 2 00:24:43 Don't like driving for Uber, but like, when the bank counts low, like you gotta do something. Speaker 1 00:24:46 Yeah. You gotta do, I didn't like bouncing on Broadway. You gotta do what you gotta do to, to Speaker 2 00:24:50 Make it happen. And, and I think if you're not even willing to do that, then you're never gonna make it in the music anyway. So Don't, so then, so then at least, you know. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:24:58 And if there are people handing stuff out that's, you can't always rely on that. A lot of it, a lot of this business is betting on yourself mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and be being willing to bet on yourself and all that. So it's cool talking about revival, and obviously we do, we do our rounds at Live Oak now, but my first round that I ever went to in Nashville was a revival. Yeah. And it's funny about she got the best of me. It was the night that it was the night that you guys were kind of celebrating that. Yep. I remember there being a buzz in the room and I was like, I wonder what the buzz is. And then you see Luke Combs come in and his Yeah. And his cargo shorts with his Miller Light and his spit cup and his Crocs on. Yeah. And I was like, holy shit. Where, uh, this was like, I had moved to town I think the week before that. That's wild. So it was my first Tuesday. You're by Speaker 2 00:25:39 The same same Speaker 1 00:25:39 Time as me. Yeah. Yeah. I moved, I moved, um, October of 2018 Okay. Is when I moved. So a little bit after you. But I remember just being in that room, in that energy, I was like, th this doesn't happen. Other places like revival is such a, such a staple and I don't think writer rounds in town would be what they are, especially at bars. Like the listening room has their thing and listening room's great. Yeah. And listening room's great. Like there's venues that, that do that thing. But for bars, especially here on the Umbrian, um, revival's like been the catalyst. And without that, I don't think a lot of us are doing what we're doing right now. Speaker 2 00:26:12 I'm happy you say that. I mean, I, um, like I said, I, I came in two years, two-ish years ago, three years ago, whatever, I'm not sure what the numbers are, but, um, Rob had built that, you know, on, on the Adam Hoods and the Brent Cobb and, and, um, Luke and all those people that, that, and I mean, like Miranda Lamber played there, you know. Yeah. Uh, Aaron Ray Tierre, like all, all these names of like, and uh, I, I felt super lucky too, Rob, like, not only when I first met him on those hikes and stuff, he, he sat me down one time and he's like, write down every one of these names. And it was, it was Adam Hood, it was all those names I just mentioned. He's like, listen to all of their records, like, and then we'll talk, you know, basically. And, um, it just, it that started so many things in motion. I mean, Adam Hood is, um, such my, uh, the, I'm such a fan of his stuff and the way he, the way he's played guitar, like during the pandemic, I learned his entire Shape of Things album, which happened great Speaker 1 00:27:07 Record in Speaker 2 00:27:07 2011. That's one of my, that, that could be in like my top 10 albums of all time. And I was like, I love these certain guitar things that I'm hearing in there. And it's funny, when I, when through a chain of events, uh, Orrin Thornton, his producer on that, produced my record. I, I knew that he produced some stuff for Adam Hood, but I don't, I didn't know that he was on that one specifically. So we're in the studio and I was like, yeah, reference track for this. Like, you know, the song Shape of Things and, uh, that Guitar party does that The Adam plays. I love that Adam part and Orin's, like, I played that <laugh>, you know what I mean? And it's just that, that stuff again doesn't happen. Like, um, man, I just, uh, like, like listening to all those guys and especially Brent and the, the, the lyrics and just being here at RCA all the time and yeah. Speaker 1 00:27:52 How did this come to be? Because this is this office, just the vibe that's in here and, and the guys who you share it with, and freaking big old Channing Wilson coming in earlier and shooting the shit with him for a little bit. That that's one of the guys that I, I look, I mean, I'm not a writer. I have no aspirations to do music. I'm one of the, one of the guys that's a decent enough hang and knows how to do this media stuff where I can hang with all you cool songwriter and artists. But cha, that's, that's a big time dude. Like that. That's a cool ass guy. And, and Rob and Ben and yourself, how did this all come about? Like Speaker 2 00:28:25 Yeah, I've Speaker 1 00:28:25 The RCA stuff. Speaker 2 00:28:26 Yeah. I've been, the, the friends thing has been ama obviously I'm, I'm, I'm met Channing through Rob over the years, um, originally, uh, just through revival. And we used to play this thing at the Alley Pub out in Bellevue on Mondays that he would come to sometimes. And Channing has been, has had this room for a couple years and he, he was using it, but he wasn't using it enough. He, like, he lives outta town, um, and he's like, the other times it's just sitting there. So, uh, Ben Chapman who, um, one of my favorite people to write with. Yes. Uh, and one of, and is from Channing's hometown as well. Uh, he was like, why don't, why don't you know, Ben, uh, start, you know, like writing here, me start writing here. And, and Rob just likes to change of pace. Sometimes he has a room, you know, down the street a little bit. Um, but he also likes to write here. And it's like I said before, vi always have a happy hour in here or, or like for me after that stuff, sometimes before I go home, like, just need like a, like a little bit of a breather. Um, it's just been a great spot and I wrote my whole new record here pretty much. Um, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's been a, it's been a blessing to, to be able to be Speaker 1 00:29:31 Here. Yeah. It's something cool that I just noticed with, with, um, Zoe, you and Rob both being from Philly. Yeah. And then chanting and Ben both being from Lafayette, it's kind of like the, these are some, some guys that have been around the block for a while, some OGs bringing up some, some hometown boys that are also crazy talented. All four of y'all can sing and play and write your asses off big fans all for you guys. But that's gotta be kind of cool too, to like, just see that dynamic and for you and Ben to be good buddies. Like Yeah. How Channing and Rob were good buddies when they, when they were here, you know? Speaker 2 00:30:01 Yeah. Ben, I mean, um, the first time Ben's younger than me, I think Ben's like 22, 23, but he, the first time he came to town, he was like, he was like, you could tell guitar chops were like crazy. And he was still figuring out his voice. And then he would come back like a month later and play Rival. And he was like, Ooh, that's a cool song. And then the next time he'd come back he'd be like, damn, like he's singing. And now he's like in his element. He's, Speaker 1 00:30:23 He's in his, he's in his element. He knows what he wants to say. I mean the, the whole crew. And that's something that's special about revival too, with what we do with within the Round. We're still so, so, so young with it and still figuring ourselves out. But revival, like, you look at that initial class of the folks that were at Yeah. Revival, like you talked about, like Luke Ray Muscatine. Yeah. Drew Parker, Miranda Planet. Yeah. Adam Hood, Brent Cobb. Yeah. Um, um, freaking Rob Channing, that whole crew. And you see where they're at now. Fast forward, how many years has, has Revival been going on for? Speaker 2 00:30:56 I think it's gonna be nine years this year. Speaker 1 00:30:58 Wow, that's crazy. So nine years. And now you look at this crop that's coming up now of, and you're included in that. It's, it's a wild crew, man. It's yourself Ben, Meg, Nate, Tyler, Tyler, Gabe. Yeah. Harper, um, I mean Col, Speaker 2 00:31:13 Colin Nash, Speaker 1 00:31:14 Colin Nash. I mean, you could even throw in there, you could even lump in the, the, the Matt McKinney's, the, the job Fortner, the Ryan Nelson's Joe Speaker 2 00:31:20 For sure. Yeah, Ryan, Speaker 1 00:31:22 Just that whole crew. It's like, you guys all meet at this event, you guys all play this event together. These songs are getting heard for the first time at this event. Yeah. It's just so cool that that's a thing. Speaker 2 00:31:33 Yeah. It makes me really happy. And, um, at the risk of being too, like, you know, sentimental about shit, um, like the way that a lot of those relationships like occurred is kind of like through revival or through, like, I met Nate at my side gig caddying years ago, and I introduced him to like a couple people and then they're like best friends now. And then like I, I introduced Ben and Meg to each other, you know, like that's, Speaker 1 00:32:00 That's incredible. At, Speaker 2 00:32:01 At a revival like that. So just like, stuff like that. And not that I'm like taking credit for any of that shit. No, but it's just, it's just, I've get very sentimental about like how that all, Speaker 1 00:32:09 You know, happens. That shit means a lot to you. Speaker 2 00:32:11 Yeah. And like when I see Harper playing on a Gabe song, like I met Gabe at Bobby's, he, it was his first show in years. He hadn't played in like three years, and he just showed up to Bobby's, like, and looked at his feet and played these amazing songs. And I grabbed him and I said, we are gonna be friends whether you like it or not. Basically <laugh>, I had eight shows I had to book at Belcore somewhere else. And right when I first moved here, and we just became, I mean, I lunch with him three days ago. Uh, he's, he's such a good friend. And when and when I see him using like, players that I know from other places and, and, and them all making amazing music together. And, uh, you know, Chris Canterbury, his whole record was Speaker 1 00:32:43 Like, yes, that's another name I forgot Chris is in that initial crew as well. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:32:47 I mean like all those all just all those connections, I guess. And, and I'm not, I, it's not like I'm like responsible for any of that. It's just like when I see them happening completely organically and, and completely like, um, in in, in just a way that like, you could almost write a book about it. You know, Speaker 1 00:33:03 You really could, somebody should do a should do a revival documentary. Would Speaker 2 00:33:06 You keep track? Yeah. Just keep track of everything, Speaker 1 00:33:08 You know? Yeah. Just keep, keep the rec, keep track of the record and uh, and all that stuff. Which the fact that, I mean, 2020 was a tough freaking year. It was a tough year for, for a lot of us and all that. Yeah. And especially doing events in town. Yeah. The, when the Pew flipped around, it was, I think for, it was part of Nate's release week Yeah. For different Shade of Blue, which Yep. All of you guys I think had songs on there. Yeah. That was wild. And all of you playing there, the energy in that room with just the pews being flipped, it's amazing what a difference it can be when, when the Pew gets flipped around. Speaker 2 00:33:37 Yep. And we, we've, we said that from the beginning and, and, and we were, I mean, tin Roof, shout out to them like, Speaker 1 00:33:43 Hey, they've been dealing with a lot of shit. They've been dealing with a lot as, as has liva all the venues. Yeah. So much shit. Speaker 2 00:33:49 Tin Roof really tried to follow a lot of the guidelines. They've really, they've really, like, were, were doing the best they could with what they had, you know what I mean? And they, um, th they had us flipped around for a bunch of reasons. It's very boring. But, but again, when, when we got to do our thing in, in that back room there, um, it, it was, it was like very like, again, like sentimental, but like, it, it felt like okay we're, we're, we're getting close, you know, to normal. And people were super cool about it. Like people were staying at their tables. Nobody was like, yeah. Everyone was following the rules, uh, which I was super happy about. We kept the doors, the windows open and the doors open and stuff. Um, cuz you can do safe stuff and like you guys have, you know, been through all that. Uh, and it feels like we're getting close to the end. So I'm super grateful that you felt that energy that night. Speaker 1 00:34:35 Yeah, dude. That and, and for it to be a lot of songs that were on that different Shaded Blue record and for you, and I think you were up there playing with Gabe. Yeah. It was you and Gabe up there. And when you guys sing Fucking Babylon, bro, I just gotta say damn, you know? Fun. That's a fun Speaker 2 00:34:50 Song. Speaker 1 00:34:51 Did you and you guys wrote that one together? Speaker 2 00:34:52 Yeah. Uh, our, both of us were really scared to co-write at the beginning, like, uh, and just kind of hostile about like, this is my, this is my song, you know, and I just, cause I didn't really know in Philly, nobody co-writes. It's not a thing. No. Um, so we wrote a song that day, uh, it was right before Christmas of 2018. And, um, we wrote a song that I still love, it's just like this weird, like long jammy song. And then, uh, we were just screwing around with like, you know, little motowny sort of chords and stuff. And I just spit out that first like verse first verse ish and uh, or like, we gotta write that sometime. So we both took it home for the holidays and like worked on it and he sent me a work tape and I was a hint of work tape. And then we came back and like he got a keyboard and we played together, you know, and actually finished it and stuff. And, uh, it was the first time I'd written like that where you, you take it home and you, you, you do a work tape and then you redo Speaker 1 00:35:42 It. Does, does that happen a lot, Speaker 2 00:35:44 Man? It's only on songs you care about because if you don't get it in the room and you are kind of whatever about it, you never finish it. Like, it just, it's just not gonna happen. But if it's something that's like, that's a melody that I really love singing. And with Gabe it was like the harmonies on the, on the chorus and stuff, like this is something that we, and we were both trying to make a name, um, and doing something together to kind of talk about the scene and for talking about interviews and like, there was a cool thing and, and, and we both put it out around the same time. Um, and his version got written up and Rolling Stone and shit. <laugh>, I mean like that that shit that you can't, I mean like, that's awesome. And, and even if that's all that ever happens with that song, um, with this record that we're doing now, I we're thinking about just putting it on the end of the record, like why not? Um, just cuz it, it, like the recording process of it is a whole nother thing, but it just, um, it was very much our thing. Like we didn't, we didn't like hire studio guys. We didn't like it was just our friends. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:36:39 You know who played on that one. Um, so that was you, that was Gabe? Speaker 2 00:36:43 Yep. Uh, he played Keys and sang, uh, Dalton Brown played the Bass, who's one of my favorite people. Uh, dirty D um, and Alex Sadek, who's one of my dearest friends, uh, from growing up. Uh, he played drums on it. Also a, a behind the scenes character in a lot of the people we're talking about. Not only he's a great songwriter singer and stuff, but, um, his place, um, he has a studio set up and for, for demos, for videos, for all kinds of stuff that you've seen. Hell yeah. Like the Chris Canterbury's whole video shot there. Speaker 1 00:37:11 No shit. Speaker 2 00:37:12 Um, he's an excellent like, mixer master guy. Like, um, he's and also just a good friend of all of 'em. Yeah. Um, that, uh, yeah, he's, he's a part of that whole scene too. So he played drums on it and, and mixed it. So yeah. Man, hell Speaker 1 00:37:26 Yeah dude. That's awesome. Now, now it's, I mean, it's uh, you being from Philly too and you being from New York, what do you miss most as far as mom's cooking? Speaker 2 00:37:35 <laugh>? Uh, I grew up a super Italian family. Yeah. Um, I, I can't get the Sunday gravy, like the sauce recipe. Speaker 1 00:37:44 Oh, that's how Italian you are. You call it gravy. I call it sauce. I mean, he can do either one. Yeah. Yeah. But you say gravy. That's how I know you're like, you're Italian. Speaker 2 00:37:51 Oh, I'm in the club. Yeah, we, we, I think we called it both girls. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't like a Speaker 1 00:37:55 Theme, but I have friends back home, like my buddy Anthony Navarro. Yeah, yeah. Who had to be at church. Ev had, oh yeah. You came, you had to be at St. Francis every Wednesday. Saturdays. It Speaker 2 00:38:03 Wasn't only that you had to be at church. Is that when you went to Sunday dinner at your grandparents, they would ask you what they talked about at church. Oh, Speaker 1 00:38:09 You get a quiz. Yeah. So Speaker 2 00:38:10 If you didn't know then your parents would be in trouble, you know what I mean? Yeah. Because they didn't take you to church, you know, like it was that level of, you know, um, but I, but I miss, like, my sister got the recipe from great grandparents. I think, uh, gnocchi like home from scratch. Yeah. You know, the whole deal. Um, that every like once in a while I'm like, man, that was some Italian sausage and the good, you know, sauce and crush red pepper and those really sharp, uh, loca cheese on top, like that, that really gets it for me. Um, cuz you can get most things other places. Um, but that's just something. And I can't get the recipe Right. I've, they've sent it to me a hundred times, but they're like, we don't really have a recipe. It's just kind of like, Speaker 1 00:38:49 No. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:38:50 Um, but yeah. What about you? Is that, is Speaker 1 00:38:52 That For me, it's my mom's. It's my grandma's chicken parm and my mo my mother's penne vodka. Yeah. It's, but with like the 16 ounces of heavy cream and like the three cups of Titos in there, like, that's so obnoxious. Dude. It's that, that's New York and Philly. That's, that's northeastern Italian cooking though. Like Speaker 2 00:39:09 The, the pizza too, like the grandma style pizza. Um, Speaker 1 00:39:12 The tomato pies are really Speaker 2 00:39:13 Good. Yeah. Tomato pie, which is like the shaker cheese on it Speaker 1 00:39:16 And yeah. Little bit, little bit of basil. It's so good. Do you have a favorite pizza joint here or here? Speaker 2 00:39:21 Yeah, I mean, five points is good. Um, Speaker 1 00:39:24 Have, have you had SALs or Salvos yet and Hermitage? No, bro. They're, they're good. Like legit. Yeah, like Sows I think has the better slice. It's funny because it's SALs and Salvos, so like I'll tell people that go to one, but then they'll go to the other cuz they're like a mile apart from each other. Salvos I think has the better Italian food and they got like the Zeppelins and the Cannolis. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the, the Benet and the, the, all all that stuff. But SALs they got one, like, for me it's like underneath the slice there's gotta be like a little bit of flour on there. Like it's gotta look legit and SALs does that and it's that's awesome. It's really good slice, man. Speaker 2 00:39:56 I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that out Speaker 1 00:39:57 Next time. Yeah, it's, yeah cause it's, it's, it's good. I mean that was the biggest thing for me was, I mean, I also lost a ton of weight when I moved here because we're not eating or, or you're not eating Wawa in the morning. You're not eating a, a pork roll, egg and cheese or big egg Speaker 2 00:40:11 And cheese. But how is that that is available 24 hours a day, Speaker 1 00:40:13 Bro. It is. That's that's my, that's my big gripe with dining. I mean, don't get me wrong. Waffle House is cool. No Speaker 2 00:40:18 It's not. Speaker 1 00:40:19 You don't like Waffle House at Speaker 2 00:40:20 All? I love a diner. A real diner. Speaker 1 00:40:21 I mean, I love a diner too. Speaker 2 00:40:23 A real diner. Speaker 1 00:40:23 We gotta take what we can get. Vinny, we're down here, they don't know diners. They don't have the, the size of the Bible menu where you can, if anything at any time, if, if Speaker 2 00:40:31 I'm gonna get heartburn, I want it to taste good. You know what I Speaker 1 00:40:33 Mean? That that is, that is true. Speaker 2 00:40:34 You know, that, that is the most like, uh, adult thing I think I've ever said <laugh>. But Speaker 1 00:40:39 Do you, do you have a favorite diner back home? You wanna shout out Speaker 2 00:40:41 Aston Diner? It's right by, uh, Alex. Sad. I was talking about his old studio was in the back of his dad's metal shop and they were open 24 hours and you can get a roast beef sandwich or eggs or whatever you want at any hour. And their fries were, you gotta have good fries as a diner. Uh, that was, yeah, Aston Diner was, was my favorite. Speaker 1 00:41:00 Do you have a favorite hangout spot in Philly? Cuz I've, I've been to Philly quite a few times where I've gone to like, I've been to a couple mums parades. Yeah, I've, I've seen the Mumms thing. I've been on Two Street and I've, I've seen the, seen the crazy shit that is the murmurs parade. Were you in Philly when the Eagles won? Speaker 2 00:41:15 Yeah, I I I, I booked a flight when they made the playoffs <laugh>. And uh, I was like, just in case I can cancel it, but I, I booked a flight when they made the playoffs and uh, I ended up playing a couple shows and stuff and then I, I got to be there when, you know, for the parade, for the, for the, the night of Speaker 1 00:41:30 Now. Now I'm, I'm a Giants fan. I just gotta say it's about time y'all won one great, you know. No, it's about time and I'm, and I'm glad I was, it was tough because I was like, Tom Brady, this, this, this dickhead mm-hmm. <affirmative> or you guys. Mm-hmm. And I was like, well it, it would mean every team in our division has a Superbowl and I don't think any other division has that in the nfl, which is cool. What was that scene like? Speaker 2 00:41:53 It was wild. I mean, I, I, so I was at a party for a Super Bowl party and the bunch of leftover like cookies and stuff, I just brought 'em with me to the parade. Like we just drove down the city and, and like, you know, like down to South Philly and I, I just brought 'em and I was just like giving out food. I got on the news, like screaming, like all kinds of things about who knows what <laugh>. Um, we, we put, uh, we put a bunch of Jack Daniels and little medicine bottles that we had <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:42:17 Oh, that's great. Speaker 2 00:42:18 Uh, I forget where we got 'em. Uh, but we didn't want to like walk around with a bottle, so we just put 'em all in these little medicine bottles and we just had like shots of Jack Daniels and it was fucking, that was a great time. Speaker 1 00:42:28 You didn't climb any street poles or eat any horses yet? Climb one. You climbed the street pole. Speaker 2 00:42:31 Pole? Well, just, just a, just like a post. Not, not like a pole pole, but I climbed, I climbed something. Speaker 1 00:42:36 They didn't oil them up. Speaker 2 00:42:38 No. Speaker 1 00:42:38 Because they, cause I remember, I remember like when some teams went or whatever, like, like after that night, they oil. Yeah. Cause somebody Speaker 2 00:42:43 Got, I think somebody got kicked or like, pretty badly hurt on one Speaker 1 00:42:46 Of the teams. Yeah. And there were people in like, the dumpster, the dumpster pools were flying. Yeah. It was, Speaker 2 00:42:50 It, it, it wasn't the best look. But what did you expect if you give Philadelphia Speaker 1 00:42:52 Super Bowl? That, that was my, that was my thing. Um, I, uh, that was my thing was like with knowing Philly and I got to know Philly really well. Like another big thing that the world doesn't really know about, bro. Um, what the frick's it called, um, the market in Philly. Speaker 2 00:43:10 Oh, Redding Speaker 1 00:43:11 Terminal. Redding Terminal, Speaker 2 00:43:12 Bro. Yeah. When you said hangout spot, that, that was like lunch for sure. There's a place called De Nicks in there. It's like the best pork sandwich you ever met. Speaker 1 00:43:18 Yes, yes. And, and the Amish donuts in there, like the Pennsylvania Dutch people. Speaker 2 00:43:22 I'm not like a big cheese steak guy, to be honest with you. I, I like 'em, but it's not like the first thing I'll think about, they have like Italian rose pork sandwich. If you've never had it with the sharp provolone and the long hots. Speaker 1 00:43:31 Oh, it changes your Speaker 2 00:43:32 Life. That's, that's a life-changing experience. Um, but yeah, there was a, when you said hangout spot, the other place, um, that came to mind, it was a place called the Dawson Street Pub that, uh, do you know Amos Lee? You name? Speaker 1 00:43:43 Yeah. Oh yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:44 He used to host the open mic there like years ago, like before he moved to New York to open for, um, nor Jones and that whole deal. But, uh, it was cool cause a lot of the people from that scene still hung out at this place called the Dawson Street Pub. And I used to play there, open Mike. And then I started playing like show shows there. And it was, it's literally like, it's time. I mean, it's as big as this hallway, you know, it's really small. Um, but it was just, it was such an important place. And like right before I moved here, this drummer that is from there, he is a drummer from a band called Us Rails, named, uh, Matt Muir. He like sat me down and gave me like a 45 minute, like, man, if I were you, this is how I would play the Nashville thing. And, and it wasn't like a preachy, like, you gotta do this and then meet this person. It was like, man, I know you and I care about you, so I'm gonna, as a 40 something year old, I'm going to like, kind of hand off some knowledge and stuff. And that, that place was always really special. Cause there was people there that, there was some people there that wanted to hide cuz it was off the main drag of everything. There was also people there that like really wanted to be there. You know what I'm saying? Speaker 1 00:44:44 Yeah, no, that's, that's something special right there that, to have a place like that and for it to come from a guy where it's not super preachy. Exactly. Because you get a lot of that where there's people like, oh, you should do this, man, I know this because, because, but if it's like an honest like, like kind of consult, like it's honest advice. It, Speaker 2 00:45:03 It was, it was one of the most important conversations. I, I, I emailed him like, or texted him, emailed, who Am I? I'm like a thousand years old. <laugh> uh, I, I texted him like a year or two later and I was like, man, I know you probably don't even remember this, but like that, that was really important to me, so thank you for that. Um, uh, and I reference that, that place and just like my memory all the time. Like I think about that spot, Speaker 1 00:45:27 You know. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:28 Um, yeah, Philly was a great place. It was, it was definitely time for me to make my exit, but I'm, I'm happy to be from there, I guess. Speaker 1 00:45:36 Yeah. Now have you been back at all since all the crazy shit's been going on? Speaker 2 00:45:39 Yeah, we went back, uh, I went to the beach for a minute last year. Kind of snuck to the beach for a couple days. Um, but, uh, not much man. Um, it's a, it's, it's one of those things where this summer I have like three trips planned cuz I didn't get to go last year. Yeah. So hoping, praying, you know, crossing all my fingers and toes that, that that all goes through. Speaker 1 00:46:00 Yeah. Cuz that, that was a hard thing for me too, was like New York, obviously my area got all decimated and shit. And it's like, it was just such, such a weird, such a weird time and like having these trips where you plan to go home, but then it's like, if you go home, do you gotta sit and quarantine for two? Do you gotta sit and quarantine for 10 days? Or are being from Tennessee, are you even allowed to go up there? Like, there was all kinds of Speaker 2 00:46:21 Stuff. And just feeling guilt because like, I mean, Speaker 1 00:46:23 The guilt Exactly. Like yeah. Wanting to see your grandparents and wanting to see your parents and people that, that could be higher risk. It it Speaker 2 00:46:29 Was tough. Exactly. Yeah. It was, it, it wasn't easy. And, and, um, speaking of the office and stuff, like, like me and Ben wrote that the one song, um, from the record called, uh, end, end of the World with You kind of in here, um, kind of about that. Like how there was still good things happening. You know, like both of us, you know, were in like really good relationships and I'm super grateful we moved into this like, awesome house in Syl Park and we were like making dinner every night and drinking local beers and like, just kind of living life and it was springtime, but then like you, you go to the back of the house, everything's peaceful and you go to the front of the house and it seems like the world is empty and whatever. So it just, it was like trying to still enjoy 2020 without like wallowing in the despair Yeah. But also not feel that being a jerk about it. Speaker 1 00:47:12 <laugh>. Yeah, exactly. Not being, yeah, that was because Speaker 2 00:47:14 People died. I mean, like, its not Yeah. There's no debate. Like people would got really sick, Speaker 1 00:47:19 Man. It's like, it was a really, it was, it was. It's hard. It's a year that's gonna be looked on in, in human history for a long time. Speaker 2 00:47:24 Like you could examine it for the rest of your life. You know what I mean? Just that year of time, you Speaker 1 00:47:28 Know. Yeah. And, and kids are going too and all and all that. Growing up in school now, I heard you talk a little bit about a caddying gig. You, you get out in the links much Speaker 2 00:47:35 <laugh>. Yeah, man, I, uh, that was my little secret growing up too. Like, I, I, uh, I blew my shoulder out playing baseball really bad. And I, like, I was just getting to high school and I was too small so I'd throw really hard and then I would blow my shoulder out. So I started playing golf and I was umpiring baseball games too. It was my job, uh, from like 12 on and I kept getting hit with baseballs. Like I got a bunch of foul tips to the forehead. Mm. And kids started throwing really hard. There was one kid, Culver Hughes, he threw 75 from only 60 foot foot or uh, uh, 45 foot mound. So like, he's throwing gas in there and people are foul tipping it catchers. Can't catch that. Yeah. I was tired of getting hit in the face. So, uh, my uncle was a member at this country club thing and um, he had like, just joined and he's like, I think they have a caddy program. Speaker 2 00:48:23 Like if you owe me to put your name in. So yeah, I, I was 14, 15, something like that. Uh, and I, it was great because it was in the mornings, so as I went to college and went through high school and college and everything, I could still play shows at night and I, I just had to be up really early. So if you notice, like at revival and like in the, even your, uh, writer's night and stuff, like around 1130, especially if it's a weekend, like, I'm usually like making a quiet exit cuz like even Speaker 1 00:48:49 When the Irish goodbye. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:48:50 Yeah. Like when I moved here, I was getting up at five every day and setting up the range and doing caddy stuff. Yeah. Ev like, you know, seven days a week. So when I would play shows till, you know, one or two in the morning, I'm getting up two hours later, three hours later, you know what I mean? Um, but it, it's been, this is, I think this is going on my 12th summer caddying. Speaker 1 00:49:09 Where, where's, where's the country club at? Speaker 2 00:49:11 Um, Speaker 1 00:49:12 Can you say Speaker 2 00:49:13 No, no, I can't. Uh, it's at, uh, Belle Country Club. Okay. In Nashville. Hell yeah. Super close to my house. I I, I love it. Um, honestly, even if music stuff does work out, I still enjoy it. Like it's not, yeah. It, it's definitely work, but it's like I don't hate it. And I feel so lucky cuz I have friends that man that when they moved here, their side job was like cleaning bathrooms at a coffee place. Yeah. Dude. Bouncing, you know, all that kind of stuff. I stand outside and watch golf and hang out with people and meet people and Speaker 1 00:49:40 Yeah. I'm sure you get to meet all kinds of, all kinds of different people. So I, I golf too. Nice. I I golf in high school. Nice. Was I was that kid that was when my score was never good enough to like count, but I'd be the re I'd be on like, like I'd be like the extra or whatever. Love that. So I just get to play all these fam all these nice courses that I could never afford to go to. And you're just playing free golf on tax dollars four days a week. Speaker 2 00:50:01 Yeah, I know. I I was like, public school has a golf team. Like this is wild. Yeah. And, and, and my first year I didn't make it and they were like, well, you can be on the practice team. I was like, what is that? They're like, you still get to play all the courses and go to the range every day, but you don't have to count. I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna be a practice team forever. Speaker 1 00:50:15 Yeah, right. Uh, Speaker 2 00:50:17 But then I started every match from sophomore year on, which, which was great and which was super fun. And that like, uh, again, like, I don't know how it relates to like my musical life, but there's so many metaphors in golf for like songwriting and stuff. There's like, like me and Nate Frederick talk about that a lot. Yeah. Um, he's a, he's the best golfer I've ever Speaker 1 00:50:33 Played with. Yeah. I've, I've heard that. I haven't been out with Nate yet, but I've, I've heard Speaker 2 00:50:37 Last year he pissed me off so bad last year. We, uh, it was me and Chris Canterbury versus him and Job Fortner. Right. Job's just starting. Chris played a lot. Chris played a good amount. Speaker 1 00:50:47 I I have played with Job <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:50:48 Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah. And Chris played a long time ago. A lot. Like he, uh, he played in college a little bit and he played like, so he just hadn't played in a long time. Um, and Nate, it was Nate and Job, and Nate was just like drinking and now smoking cigarettes and hanging out and like with his eyes closed, basically shot 67. And I played pretty good. I I think I shot like 74, 75 and I, I played like pretty well and match play, like, you know, I didn't think he was gonna need to gimme like 10 strokes, but <laugh>, uh, he had to, I mean, uh, and job was just cackling at me. Every time Nate would make a putt, Joe would just look at me and start giggling. And I was like, you are not doing this. This is not you. Uh, oh my God. I, I was so mad at him that day. Speaker 1 00:51:31 75 would, I'd be ecstatic I'd throw a party if I shot a 75. Oh, I have like that's, Speaker 2 00:51:36 I have thrown parties for that kind of stuff, but because Speaker 1 00:51:38 Like that's 75 is gr like insanely good and then for Nate to just get up there? Exactly. Speaker 2 00:51:43 Yeah. He, he, he hadn't played in like six months and I, I, I was right, like during the pandemic I got to play every day for like two weeks, um, at one point. And I like, that's as good as I'm ever gonna play. I'm not, I'm not like a below par golfer. I'm like a high seventies to mid eighties guy. But for him to just like, not even care and beat me by that much, Speaker 1 00:52:04 Throwing him back Speaker 2 00:52:05 <laugh>. Yeah. Cuz like, I, I like, I had to do something that day so I wasn't drinking. I had to like, uh, I had to go to work or something. So I didn't wanna drink. And he's just like hanging out, beating my ass. Just like, man, I'm never playing with you again. Speaker 1 00:52:15 Well, I'm down to go out on a golf course with you. Let's do it time, man. Let's do done that this time. I bring I yo dude, today was perfect, man. The weather down here has been the pollen is a pain in the ass. I know. The allergies are like the worst, Speaker 2 00:52:26 The worst problem is when you can't hear. Yes. Speaker 1 00:52:28 You know what I mean? Yes. I get that. I've been getting that a lot. We were just down in Florida and I got that a lot in Florida and stuff, but I'd be down to go out and play and I bring, I bring cigars out. I'm a big cigar guy. Cigars. Yeah. Bring some stogie out. Bring a little, bring a little, we have a bunch cigars in here. I I saw the cigar. I'm like, that's how I know this is chanting your Robs <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. They just got cigars Speaker 2 00:52:47 Still. They, they're so funny cuz they went through like a phase with cigars where they were like all in and I haven't seen either one of 'em smoke a cigar in like, I don't even know how long <laugh>, it's, they they are so funny. That's funny. They, they, uh, they are like the odd couple. They're just like this, especially playing golf with them and stuff. Like they, they have such good like banter. They, they crack me up. Speaker 1 00:53:05 Oh, I'm sure they should do a podcast. Speaker 2 00:53:08 I, they've talked about it. They've talked about Speaker 1 00:53:09 It. I'm telling you, you're pretty good on the damn mic. Well, what was your, what was your podcasting stuff you used to do? Speaker 2 00:53:14 So I had a show called, what are you listening to? Where? Uh, we would, it was, it was in Philly. I think I did 19 episodes total. And, and, uh, just talked to my friends who were in music. And then the last five minutes or last like 10 minutes would be like, what are you listening to? You know, what are what something that I might not know or you might not know. And we just talked about that. That's cool. I was clunky with it. I let it go like really long, you know, and I'm like, nobody wants to listen to two hours of, Speaker 1 00:53:40 That's, that's where, that's, that's a hard thing to find the balance because I'm involved now. I mean, probably by the end of, probably by the end of the month or by the end of next month, I'll be involved in like four or five. Like, we're starting to grow like different. And I'm not necessarily having to host. This is the one where I gotta, I gotta put my big boy pants on. I gotta host and ca and carry it and do stuff. But podcasting can be tough and the timing thing is a big thing because you gotta keep people's attention. Speaker 2 00:54:01 Yeah. And editing. Like, I didn't wanna chop anybody's stuff, but sometimes like, I mean, feel free to chop any of this. Sometimes stories just aren't interesting after a Speaker 1 00:54:08 While. Yeah, dude. Absolutely. You gotta keep a conversation going. You want people to feel like they're in the room with you. Yeah. That's, that's why Rogan's so good. Yeah. That's why I love what Nikki t does. There's a lot of the bar stool podcasts, which that's so great. Speaker 2 00:54:22 I, man, I, I wonder if if this, if this would ring true with you too. Like when I was growing up, like when we had company over or whatever, you couldn't just like go to your room. Speaker 1 00:54:31 No. You had to stay out there until those motherfuckers Speaker 2 00:54:33 Left. And like your parents would make you hang out with Yeah. Everyone. And you had to learn how to like, talk to adults and talk to kids and talk like, and I feel like that was such a thing that I never even thought about. But even now, being able to hold a conversation with anyone you talk to. Cause I feel like you have that a hundred percent. Like that is such an important piece of life that I never really like took into consideration until I got older, I guess. Speaker 1 00:54:54 Yeah, dude in and any time the company would come over, that house would have to be fucking clean. So clean anything, any, any bullshit that was going on got got fixed real freaking quick. Speaker 2 00:55:05 And if you wanted to eat the snacks, you had to like hang out with everyone you Speaker 1 00:55:08 Mean? Yeah. Cause yeah, cuz they'd buy like the monds or like Oh yeah. The, the coffee would be out like post dinner. Post post Sunday dinner. Coffee with coffee. That's, I started, started drinking coffee with the Yeah, I started drinking coffee at like 10 years old. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:55:19 Me too. It's fucked. I I would go to middle school with a coffee cup. My teachers would be like, what are you doing? Like what? Like this child, what are you, you're a child. Speaker 1 00:55:28 Yeah. No, for sure man. No, that's, that's freaking sick man. It's cool to see other, other Northeast folks down here because there are a lot of freaking Georgia <laugh>. I'm in Alabama all the freaking time. Everybody that, everybody that signed my check as far as music goes is from Alabama. Speaker 2 00:55:42 I've never been to Alabama. Isn't that Speaker 1 00:55:43 Wild? It's, it's, it's cool. I mean there's, there's, it's kinda like Georgia, they're, they're definitely similar. My Alabama friends will probably gimme shit for saying it's like Georgia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My Georgia friends will probably gimme shit. Yeah. Yeah. But there's those board rivalries or whatever. But it's cool man. And the music scene down here is just something different, you know, at least for country and like the folk stuff, Speaker 2 00:56:01 I think everything is different. I mean, like, I struggled to like, I, yeah. Speaker 1 00:56:07 What was the hardest adjustment for you? Speaker 2 00:56:09 Man? Um, I, I, I, I think I just really felt like I came to the big leagues. You know, like I, I was like, it was one of those things where when I was at home I wasn't really inspired by anything that was going on. And like I said, I was in just like a bad personal spot too. But, um, I, I came here and I, and I, you know, seeing Channing and, and Rob and all those, all those guys, Dave Kennedy played a, uh, listing room thing one Speaker 1 00:56:35 Time. Insane. So good. Insane songwriter. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:56:38 It was good to see him last night. Um, but he, uh, like that that, that stuff was like, like not only what they were saying, how they were saying and how they meant it. Like every single word was like, not just put there cuz it rhymed like it was put there because it's supposed to fucking be there. Um, and that, I don't know, I like adjusting to that kind of writing and, and adjusting to like, um, like having like 25 drafts of a song <laugh>, you know? Yeah. And, and, and being open to other people's, like collaboration and stuff. And not just saying like, I'm, I'm open to that. But then just changing it when you get home. Like actually taking the time to like, um, hear people have to say as far as like writing goes and everything else. And, and, and, and not copy it. You know, like I was a big Jason Isbell fan, but then for like three months I just wrote a bunch of songs that were just ripping off his shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and, and learning how to like, know that you're doing that and know that you're coming from Speaker 1 00:57:33 Yeah. Having that awareness. Speaker 2 00:57:34 Yeah, for sure. That's, that stuff took a long time. It took a long time. I mean, and singing wise, like enunciating your words cuz you work so hard on the words and then if you mumble 'em, you know, nobody hears 'em anyway, so. Speaker 1 00:57:45 Exactly. Yeah. That's a very good point. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:57:47 All that shit. And, and no one can teach you that. Really. You just have to, people can tell you that, but no one can teach it to you. You have to learn it yourself. Speaker 1 00:57:53 Yeah. So much of this town and so much of what we all do is learning from doing. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:57:58 Yeah. And, and getting kicked in the teeth a bunch of times. That's why like, no offense to anyone that does this, but if you're a TikTok celebrity and never played a show before and someone puts you in front of 500 Speaker 1 00:58:06 People Yeah. That's, that's my big thing. It's not gonna happen. That's why, that's why I'm, I'm lucky. I mean, it's, it's obviously I'm, I'm working a lot with a, with a guy who's had the TikTok stuff, but he's been playing shows for 10 years. Yeah. You know, like you have to know, you have to, I think have, Speaker 2 00:58:20 There's a difference between, between becoming famous on there Yeah. And you know, actually growing a fan base. Speaker 1 00:58:26 Yeah. And I think a lot, a big thing is I think no matter who it is, because you also have the have folks that just kinda get put in these spots. You have to play a show where nobody comes. Yeah. I think that's an important thing. Oh, so many of those. I think, I think playing a, a shit four hour cover gig where there's maybe five people and they don't even give a fuck about you, I think is so important for just building your character and then you have to learn how to win people over. Yeah. Which is something that you did in Philly, which is something that a lot of these cats do down here. Like I feel like that's such a step in want in being successful in doing this thing. Yeah. Dude. Speaker 2 00:58:58 1 1 4 hour cover, gig story you said. My worst gig ever. This was my least favorite gig ever. <laugh>. It was, I, the owner was like nice to me, but it was just, it was just a bad setup up. It was no stage. So I just sat in the, I was in the corner. I didn't sit, I stood in the corner of this thing. It was a four hour cover gig and one night it, and you couldn't hear anything cuz they made me plug into their house system. It was awful. Ooh. And, um, Speaker 1 00:59:18 We, we love a shitty house system, Speaker 2 00:59:20 The worst <laugh>. And, uh, and it wasn't even a show, it was just like playing at a bar. Yeah. And it, it started getting packed, like packed, packed, packed. There was a game on, I think like a Notre Dame game or something was on, and, um, it was packed. And, uh, this guy, this guy is like in front of me and he's like, kind of babbling and babbling and I'm like, oh, this is bad. Something about it. This is bad news. And he just moves a little bit quick to get outta somebody else's way. Hits the front of my mic, stand and smashes my teeth and like my lip and my tooth. Like, man, I was bleeding, I was bleeding the whole rest of the set. And uh, man, that was the worst. That was right before I moved. And I was like, okay, what the fuck am I doing with my life? Yeah. Like that. I ended up bleeding and still not having the balls to be like, I'm done, <laugh>, gimme my check. I'm over it. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. Uh, that was the, that was like one of the, those moments where you're like, they can't teach you this, you know what I mean? Like, this is something, something I'm gonna remember. And it wasn't, it was an accident, obviously, but just the whole setup was just like distincts <laugh>. Speaker 1 01:00:24 Yeah. So you got this, uh, this record coming out, bro. Tell me, tell me all about it. Yeah. What, what, what do we got, Speaker 2 01:00:30 Man? I, um, Speaker 1 01:00:31 What's it called? First of Speaker 2 01:00:32 All? Yeah, it's gonna be called Private Sky. It's just an ep. Um, but it's, it's, uh, it's my favorite songs that, and a lot of 'em were written in during the pandemic. We were talking about bright sides of the Pandemic. Yeah. I mean, um, I, I was never a person that wrote like 150 songs a year. I, I think two years ago I wrote like 33 songs and last year I wrote like 55. So for me last year was like, big time as far and, and, and, and, and like, I don't count the ones that aren't like, finished, you know what I mean? Like, those are 55 like songs I could play out around right now, you know. Um, so I, I got through those songs and I was kind of like feeling stuck and whatever. And, uh, I gave a lot of credit to, uh, my girlfriend Erin, she's saw me kind of moping around the house after Christmas. Speaker 2 01:01:13 And she's like, you know how to do this. Like, you, you know what you have to do and you know that you wanna make a record, so just try, like, just do it. And, and not in like a mean way, in like, in a very like encouraging, like I know that you got this. Yeah. And so, you know, I texted Rob Snyder, who, who's like the star of this interview, um, <laugh>, uh, I texted him, I said, Hey man, I wanna make a record. I don't know who to produce it. Um, I have people that I love, but I, I don't know what to do. And he just immediately started a group message with Orrin, uh, Thornton <laugh>. And it was like, Hey, Vinny wants to make a record. And I was like, oh, Jesus Christ. It's like one of my favorite producers ever. And it's just like the most informal, Speaker 1 01:01:50 It's just Rob saying, Hey, yo, it's me. Must Speaker 2 01:01:52 Make your record. Yeah. He, yeah. He's like, I'll let you take it from here. I'm like, take what? I just texted you five minutes ago. So in like one day, like, it all just like kind of became a, uh, be became a thing, I guess. And, um, the, uh, I, I have a friend that, um, just started working at, at Empire, the, uh, label here in town. Um, really good friend named William. Um, and he, uh, he was like, man, like, what do you wanna say? Like, what do you wanna do? And, and kind of help me like figure out as a, as a first release, like what, what I should, you know, think to do. We ended up getting like a kind of a distro thing worked out there, which has been so far really cool to kind of go through and we'll see how the record goes, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be like every five weeks there'll be a single coming out for like six months or so. And then they'll all live, you know, together on a, on a Spotify release. Speaker 1 01:02:45 Now did you write it like, uh, like as a project, like with Nate's, how it kind of like flows and like, it's great. Yeah. What, what Joe went in and recorded back during quarantine. It all kind of flows. Like is your stuff like, kind of like tells a story, like there's a beginning and there's an end to it when you Speaker 2 01:03:00 Did it, man, it was really just my six or my five favorite songs that I got the last year. There's, there's themes that kind of carry through it. Um, but Orin was great as far as like mapping out the songs and, and the production. I actually ended up recording it in Springfield, Missouri of all places. Nice. Where Nate is from. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:03:16 Which, just the irony of all that. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:03:18 It's so funny. And, and the guy that played piano on it, Kelly Brown played in Nate's band at one point. No shit. Yeah. So there's all kinds of weird connections. Um, the studio was very cool. Uhs, I forget the studio. 2100 I think it's called. Uh, never Shout. Never recorded there a long time Speaker 1 01:03:33 Ago. Really? Remember that van? Speaker 2 01:03:35 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, two thousands. Um, but it's a great spot. And um, we, we got like, I told him like all, all my reference tracks were like seventies rock songs. Um, and like Rustin Kelly is a big influence on me. Yes. Speaker 1 01:03:47 I was gonna, I was gonna ask, I mean, we didn't even get into influences, but I definitely hear Speaker 2 01:03:50 That. Yeah, man. Like the Jackson Browns and all that kinda stuff and, and the Eagles was like a big foundation. And then, and then, uh, the new stuff, you know, like Russin Kelly, I love what Tyler Childers does. I don't do things so similar to that, but I love what he does. Um, I love Stapleton a ton. He was kind of my introduction in this whole work. You, Speaker 1 01:04:06 You love, you love people who tell stories through songs. Yeah. Is which is what it's about. Speaker 2 01:04:10 Yeah. Isabel's like a huge, so I told him I wanted to make a Isabel Jackson Brown and Rustin Kelly Mash up and he was like, I'm in. Uh, so that, that was that text with Rob. Like that was, that was it. Speaker 1 01:04:22 So that was you taking it from there? Yeah, that was, Speaker 2 01:04:24 That. That's all I could do. Um, and, and, and recording it was so fun, dude. We, we, we got to do it live. So like, he would be playing drums and I'd be playing acoustic and singing and then we'd switch. Like we'd both play guitar and then he would play bass and then I would play Organ and then Kelly would come in and play piano. And like we, we did it all like, it feels like a band record cuz we played it all at the same time. And a lot of it's not to a click, like it's, it feels like a rock band record from, you know, 1978, which is what I wanted. Um, and the first thing with Gold Rush is coming out, uh, April 16th. Um, or that's only by myself A bunch of years ago, uh, Gabe Lee was like <laugh>, uh, we used to play this place called the Gold Rush over on Elston, and you had to play an hour of original music, which neither one of us really had at that point. Speaker 2 01:05:09 And I asked him to play like a daytime gig and he's like, man, I'm gonna save my singing for the Gold Rush. I gotta, I gotta sing for a whole hour. Uh, then I went home and I wrote this whole song about how like, I only sing when it Matters, man, <laugh>. And, and it just became like really fun to play. And, um, I'm excited for that one. There's a song called, you Gave Me a Reason on there that, uh, it just kind of explains, there's a lot of Phil, there's a couple of Philly references, but just like, um, like getting outta town and giving me like the kind of the, the push to do that. Um, there's a song called End of the World with You that me and Ben wrote in this room. Speaker 1 01:05:40 Yeah, I've I've heard that one. I'm a big fan. Speaker 2 01:05:41 Yeah. That's, that's one of my favorite songs I've ever been a part of. Um, a song called All About Green that's just kind of about Nashville and amongst other things. Yep. Uh, <laugh>. And uh, and then it finished off with a, with a song called Annie Howell. That's just a fun song. Me and Tyler Halverson wrote. Um, but Harper O'Neill, Meg McCree, Ben Chapman, Tyler Halverson, um, Gabe are all writers on it. So Speaker 1 01:06:04 Your your your class. Yeah. You're doing it with your friends, like your high school class, almost like this would've been the crew that you rolled around with in high school. Speaker 2 01:06:12 Now. Man, I'm so much cooler now than I was in high school. I swear. Me Speaker 1 01:06:14 Too. Me too bro. Me too. Speaker 2 01:06:16 I, I can't believe, uh, yeah, if, if high school was like this, I would've never wanted to leave. You know what I mean? Right. Um, thank god it wasn't <laugh>. Um, no, I have, I I have, I have great friends from high school too. I was just, man, like looking back, you think about how much time you spend feeling terrible in your own skin, you know what I mean? And how once you can break outta that, how much better your life is, Speaker 1 01:06:37 All the, all the stuff you worry about that really doesn't matter. Speaker 2 01:06:40 But in the moment it matters so Speaker 1 01:06:41 Much. Oh yeah. It destroys you so much. It rips you up inside. I still go through that at times, you know, dude, I got Speaker 2 01:06:47 Two masters back for this, for the record we're talking about. Uh, and I mean you, there's no way the, the differences are so subtle and I lost like 10 hours of sleep in the past week just thinking about which one to use, you know, and in, in 20 years, am I gonna be <laugh> still grinding over that? You know what I mean? Speaker 1 01:07:06 In five years, are you still gonna be gone? That's what I mean. Next Speaker 2 01:07:08 Year. And I mean, you couldn't tell the difference. Like there's, there's such subtle difference and, and anyways, just the, the anxiety of the moment, which I, I try to write a lot of things about that. Like the anxiety of each moment is, is very interesting to me. Like how, how things are so important and then they're so not important immediately. Speaker 1 01:07:26 You Yeah, dude. And that, that's important. Like, people need to be talking about that shit cuz that, that is a real thing. Speaker 2 01:07:32 I think music helps you get through that because when you get on stage and you are so scared, like first time I played listening room and everyone's quiet and listening, I'm shaking like I'm shaking. And I had played f what, a thousand shows before that. Literally a thousand shows. And that one, my first guitar part, I, I forgot lyric. I mean I was a mess. But the next time I played it I practiced, you know, different things and I, and I and I made sure that it was better. And if you can overcome those little anxieties, it helps the rest of your life in so many ways because things don't scare you as much. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:08:03 That's, yeah. No, that's, that's a big thing that I've definitely felt too. I mean, hell even hosting writer's rounds and having, being in front of people being, it's hard being in front of your peers and being in front of industry folk and all that. Yeah. That, that can be Speaker 2 01:08:16 Tough and not drinking too much. I mean I Speaker 1 01:08:19 See, see I get lucky. I don't drink no more, so I'm lucky I gotta watch the trail side sometimes. Yeah. That's my thing. I won't do that until like the last, the last round of the night. Yeah. Because there are some rounds you go to the host is just fucked up. Speaker 2 01:08:33 Yeah, fucked. I've been that host once or twice and what I do a lot of times is people are talking too much. I get on the microphone and I'm like, everybody needs to listen to what's on stage right now. Yeah. Like, I'll Speaker 1 01:08:42 Do that kinda stuff. The Philly comes out baby. Speaker 2 01:08:44 Yeah. Which, which I, I stand by that. But Speaker 1 01:08:47 I, I agree. You Speaker 2 01:08:47 Know, you have those nights where you, you wake up the next morning like, I can't believe I said that to that person. I can't believe I told that completely secret thing to that other person. Yes. I, yes. Yeah. And, and you regret it in the moment and it's just, man, you can't take it back. So just learning all those things again with coming to Nashville, that's a huge adjustment. It's a, it's a man how, how you carry yourself. It matters man. It's not just like, it's not just about the music Speaker 1 01:09:14 <laugh>. Yeah, no, for sure. Ab absolutely man. Now, uh, dude, this has been a freaking blast. Speaker 2 01:09:19 Thanks for coming in. I, I hope I didn't blabber on too long. Speaker 1 01:09:22 No dude. I like, I've like I've said to people before, the best podcast guest is one that talks cuz trust me, you go back to previous episodes, we had some very quiet episodes. Yeah. Cause people didn't wanna talk, they didn't wanna talk. It, it helps a lot where people go to find you. You said record comes out, uh, or the single comes out April the 16th. Speaker 2 01:09:38 Yeah. And, and then it's just gonna be, I think if you, I think we're setting it up. So if you pres save the first one, then it saves Pres saves the rest of perfect too. Perfect. I think that's the way I understood the meeting we had, uh, last week. Um, but yeah, April 16th and then like every six weeks or five, five or six weeks, um, there'll be a single out until I think September. So, uh, and it'll all be packaged in, um, hopefully just playing shows. My Instagram is just my name Vinny Pay Lizzie, uh, that's where I do most of my social stuff. Um, I'm starting a TikTok cuz I want to be like, you know, hip and young and cool, but I cannot promise content. Speaker 1 01:10:11 Good content, bro. You should, you should put golf content on Speaker 2 01:10:14 TikTok. Man. People have said that. Yeah, Speaker 1 01:10:15 You should. You and Nate should put golf contact content on your TikTok. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:10:20 It's all about content. Love Speaker 1 01:10:21 The button. I had a TikTok go like semi so I don't even, I'll tell you the name off the mic. Cause all I do is post like saved Snapchats of my drunk friends doing dumb shit. Yeah, yeah. Like I don't have anything of me act actually on there. We were in Florida with Ryan Nelson this past week. Speaker 2 01:10:35 Well that's a good way to find dumb shit, Speaker 1 01:10:36 Bro. I had, yeah bro, I had, there's a video of Ryan Nelson cleaning out, um, cleaning out a, uh, a piece that he carries with him a lot. And, uh, it was, it was all clo got 15,000 views. It's just Ryan Nelson cussing about the thing not working. I'll show, I'll show it to you. It's funny, but it's amazing what blows up on that I think golf content would Speaker 2 01:10:54 Crush. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. It's something to think about, you know, and our and our strategist will get back to you and we will, you know, my my my team, your Speaker 1 01:11:02 Team <laugh>, Speaker 2 01:11:04 When I was booking shows last time I was, when I was booking shows a long time ago, I made like a management email. Speaker 1 01:11:08 Oh fuck Yeah. Speaker 2 01:11:09 Which a lot of people have done. That's not, I'm not the first one to do that. Yeah. But I, I had like a booking agent named like Chris or something. You know, you can do all kinds of little Yeah. Oh yeah. Make yourself look more legit than you are <laugh>. Yeah. It makes Speaker 1 01:11:20 It more fun that way. You get to wear multiple hats, you know? Yeah. You could be, you could be, you could be Chris, the Irish guy from South Street, you know, like <laugh>. Speaker 2 01:11:27 I know that guy. Speaker 1 01:11:28 I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do. Um, and then tell everybody about Revival. Where can, where can they go find Speaker 2 01:11:32 Out all that info? Yeah. Viol is is, uh, Tuesday nights at the Tin Roof on Mian Street. Um, it, the, the handle on Instagram is revival six 15 Follow. I mean, honestly, I tag all the people that are playing in the poster, um, ev like every week and f following those people. Usually like, let's you know kind of what's going on. Yeah, kind. I mean you would agree probably same with your guys posters. Speaker 1 01:11:52 Ab Ab Absolutely, bro. Speaker 2 01:11:53 Um, that's the best that, that's how I kept up with stuff when I first moved here was who was tagged in posters. Speaker 1 01:11:58 Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing what Instagram and Twitter and all that shit can do. Now. Are you cool playing a song for us, bud? Yes, definitely. Which one you wanna play? Speaker 2 01:12:05 Um, uh, I'll play, I'll play. You gave me a reason song so we, Speaker 1 01:12:09 Hell, hell yeah. Hell yeah. Awesome man. Well, while Vinny grabs that guitar, thank you guys as always for listening to the End the Round podcast. We really appreciate it. Make sure you follow Vinny and uh, check out, uh, check out what he's got going on. Check out, get ready for the record coming. The ep uh, new single coming on April the 16th here. And, uh, he's gonna be doing some more podcasts, uh, that you guys should be checking out as well. Um, as always, you can find us in the Round pod on Twitter, in the round podcast on Instagram, in the round on Facebook. We're working on doing some cool YouTube videos with our Boy Wales from Whale Tail Media. Uh, make sure you leave a review. Tell your friends, tell your grandma tell tell your buddy at work. Tell the tell the bartender, tell the homeless guy down there on Broadway the to check out the In Therom podcast. Speaker 1 01:12:56 Uh, you can find it anywhere you listen to podcasts of course. And, uh, leave us a five star review. It definitely helps us out a ton. Shout out to the sponsors Whale Tail Media, uh, Grady Saxon and Saxon Studios. Love those guys. Make sure you check them out. And of course, Trailside CBD and importing use promo code I t r 20% off at checkout and we got the writers round going down tomorrow night. Now without further ado, it's our boy Vinny, pa, Lizzie taking us home. Y'all have been listening to the In The Round Podcast. Speaker 3 01:13:26 A Storm blew through and outside of Main Street Bars, hit it hard, smoking on sidewalks and leaning on cars. Take the Long Way Home for half an hour alone. I need a cigarette now just thinking about how easy it, that like Dreams Friend said, it's time. I'm sorry, cigarette was just getting worse after all this time. A storm blew through and I thought it all got out. I tell all my friends careful when join.