Brian Fuller (Round 2)

[00:00:12] Speaker A: Come on. [00:00:15] Speaker B: This is outside the round with Matt Barrill. A razor outdy podcast. Brian Fuller on a Friday morning. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Matt Barrel. [00:00:24] Speaker B: How you doing, my brother? [00:00:25] Speaker A: Good, dude. [00:00:25] Speaker B: It's good to have you here. You were back. It had to be 2019. [00:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been a minute. You're still. It's, like, right when I first got cobalt because I brought him over and y'all had that other big. [00:00:38] Speaker B: Cooper. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Yeah, the big dog, whatever he was. [00:00:41] Speaker B: And Cobalt was just charging at Cooper and climbing over him. He was a. An Aussie doodle, I thought. [00:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah, he was big. He was massive. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Like a very big, full size dog. Like, on his two legs. Like, as tall. As tall as we are. And you have little. Little cobalt just climbing and jumping all over him. [00:00:59] Speaker A: He ain't little no more. I mean, he's. He's still small, but he's, like, a full size. Yeah, well, he's a mitt, so he's a mini Aussie. Yeah, but he. He just put some weight. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna look up when that. When. That was real quick, because that was a long. That was Feb. We released. So we recorded that in 2019, and it was released. Or maybe it was January of 2020. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Why did you get there so quick? [00:01:26] Speaker B: It was released. I just looked at it. I'm quick on the. Quick on the phone. It's a problem. It was February 10 of 2020. So literally a month before COVID hit. And we ate bagels on there. [00:01:39] Speaker A: We did. Who was your roommate? [00:01:41] Speaker B: That was Dakota and Ethan Will. Dakota Tate, Ethan Willis. And then that was back when me and Tyler. Me and Boudreau were doing. It was in the round. [00:01:50] Speaker A: And you brought the bagels back from New York, right? [00:01:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that was the good. That was. Yeah. That was your first time having that? [00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:59] Speaker B: And you were telling me about how you would. How. What it was like coming up, because at that point, you're what? That's four years ago. How old were you? [00:02:06] Speaker A: I was. I was probably 21. I'm 26 now. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah. You had just moved, so. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I was either, like, 21. When do you say it was? [00:02:13] Speaker B: It got released February of 2020. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Okay, so I just turned 22. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Yes, you were, baby boy. [00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I just turned 20. [00:02:21] Speaker B: And you were telling me about, like, we were. You were telling me about places like the blue room and southern social and all the. The scene that is in South Georgia. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:30] Speaker B: And little did I know how much I would fall in love with that world a few years later. Going down. So, dude, it's good to fucking have you back on here. What have you been up to. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Oh, man, you're engaged now. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Dude, congrats. That's a big deal. Katie's awesome. She is. So. [00:02:45] Speaker A: And, you know, like, that we. We gotta send you your. I should have brought it with me. I. We gotta save the date for you. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Oh, sick. [00:02:52] Speaker A: So, yeah, dude, date. Oh, yeah. You get your invitation in the mail. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Sweet. [00:02:56] Speaker A: So, yeah. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah, she was. We were going through the list the other day and she was like, I feel like we're forgetting, like, a bunch of people. So we, like, went back through and we forgot to put you on there and, like, ten other people. So we're like, kind of. It's hard. It's hard. Like, remembering all of your buddies. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:16] Speaker A: That you really want to be there. [00:03:18] Speaker B: And your friends from back in Georgia. Her friends from back in. Is it Minnesota? Yeah, her friends from up. Minnesota. And then she did college. Was it, like, south, like, all. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah, she went to. She was in college. And. [00:03:30] Speaker B: Was it South Dakota? [00:03:31] Speaker A: Yes, North Dakota. She went to Fargo. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So you make all these friends along the way in life, and it's like, oh, shit. That's like, my little sister's getting married in the fall, and she's. She's like, well, we want to do it small, but then, like, mom wants to invite her friends or to this or that or, like, it's. It becomes a lot. You know? I haven't got that point in my life where I've. I've ever been engaged or any of that. Exactly. Exactly. But. But it's cool to be doing that, man. So life is happening for you right now, really? [00:04:04] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. It's like. It's fast, man. Like, it all kind of. I went from kind of sitting complacent, like, in one spot constantly, and then, like, just like a. It's like God just opened the floodgates. [00:04:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:19] Speaker A: And kind of all the stuff that I was praying for kind of started. Started happening. So it's been good, dude. Life's good. [00:04:26] Speaker B: When do you think that that change started? Like, when did you start feeling the ground kind of shaking? [00:04:32] Speaker A: Honestly, dude, when I quit drinking, like, believe it or not, which is, like, I think. Which I. My faith is rooted really deep in God. And I think for a long time, he was just. I kind of felt like he was asking something of me, like, wanting me to give something up. And as, you know, I mean, you don't drink anymore. Like, it can become. Become a really serious problem really quick and. Yeah, I think, honestly, when I started seeing a lot of changes, when I started giving stuff up that I feel like God was asking for. And one of the biggest things was drinking. And because I quit drinking, November 11, I think it was actually might have been November 14. I can look, I got the. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Oh, dude, having those abs, the sobriety. That's how I keep track of my days. [00:05:19] Speaker A: Six months and 20 days. So it was November 11, 2023 was the last day that I drank. And then me and Katie got engaged in December, and then I signed my publishing deal. Or then I had a song, that Randall King song come out January 1. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Of my favorite Brian Fuller song. Brian Fuller, Mason Thornley songs all time. Because you've been playing that thing for a long time. Years. So to say. [00:05:46] Speaker A: I wrote it in 2021. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah. To see it get the moment that it's been able to get. But what was the breaking point for wanting to put the bottle down? Because everybody's story, and I say my story's different in that I just celebrated eight years, which is frickin awesome. I'm proud of it. It's cool. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Love that, brother. Good for you. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Thank you. But it's like I'm in bars every night. I am in bars, which makes it really hard. I can sit here with a case of iced tea with a four pack of iced tea vodka. I can bring a tray of shots on stage. My level of recovery is a different spot. I've learned to just kind of roll with it, and that's from being around guys that are in the industry that, like. Guys like Trey Lewis. Who will you go out with? Trey Lewis. He's going to get you drunk because he doesn't drink any more. Like. But early on, and you're still early on. You're not even at a full year yet. And that first year is where it's the toughest. [00:06:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:43] Speaker B: So what was that kind of point for, you mind me asking? [00:06:46] Speaker A: No, not at all, man. I honestly kind of like telling story, so. And honestly, I feel like I'm kind of lucky with it because it really hasn't been that hard. But I think it hasn't been that hard because I was waking up with, like, the worst hangovers ever, and I wasn't, like, a Monday through Friday drinker. Like, I was. I was very much, like, just a social drinker. I didn't think. I didn't necessarily think I had a problem with it. I think that if I were to continue doing what I was doing and also, like, with the lifestyle as far as being an artist and on the road, like, I felt like it could have. Could have become a problem. And I didn't want to, like, ruin my life in the next ten years. But when I decided to quit, I was. Had started doing 75 hard. I can't remember the day that I started, but in those 75 days, I started a tour with Austin Snell. And I did however many dates we did with him. And then I did some stuff with Jonathan Hutchinson. We had played one or two shows together, and then I had a run of headline and stuff. And the Austin snail dates ended, man. I can't remember exactly when they ended, but. [00:08:06] Speaker B: Look it up on your. It's probably on your instagram if I were to guess. Yeah, I think is I remember you and it's cool you bring up Austin because you were one of the first guys to tell me about, like, yo, there's this kid coming to town. He's military guy, Georgia boy. And it's funny cause Sarah. Sarah up in. Up in New Hampshire who's been blogging and doing stuff with us with raised rowdy since the early days of it, had been covering Austin since like 2018, 2019. [00:08:39] Speaker A: He's crushing when he was starting. So I just looked it up. The tour, the last date of the tour. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Oh, there it is. Oh, playing your song that's fallen. There you go. [00:08:49] Speaker A: The last night of the tour that we had was October 12. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Oh, Asbury, my home area. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And Asbury, New Jersey. [00:08:57] Speaker B: You went to some of my favorite venues on this list, by the way. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Same. So we went to Milwaukee. [00:09:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You saw the Dahmers shit. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. [00:09:05] Speaker A: All right, so we're getting so hot. [00:09:08] Speaker B: I know we're good. [00:09:09] Speaker A: We'll come back to the. [00:09:10] Speaker B: I knew this. I knew this is how this was gonna go to, dude. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Um, so we. Yeah, we played in Milwaukee at the rave, which was like, I've always wanted to play there. It was a bucket list venue, mine. And we get there and I didn't really know what I expected it to be, but it was not what I expected it to be. It was ten times cooler. But like, when you get there, it's like. It kind of looks like an insane asylum. Like it's this. Have you ever been there? [00:09:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like dark. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Yeah. You and we were. We were there right around Halloween. So we were there October 12. [00:09:44] Speaker B: So that is exactly when I was there with Musk and I. Yeah, they. [00:09:47] Speaker A: Decorated and it was. [00:09:49] Speaker B: It's really spooky. [00:09:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Cuz it's already supposed to be haunted, which, I mean, I don't know if I believe in ghosts or not, but I believe in demons and spirits and angels and, dude, you walk in there and, like, you immediately just feel it. You're like, man, this is weird, because. So the pool downstairs, which is, like, the infamous, you know, the acoustics in there, insane Mac Miller signed the wall in there, like, all the signatures in the pool. You walk in there, and I was talking to the girl that gives tours, and she's been working there for, like, five years. And I was just asking her, like, all the stuff that has happened in there. And there was a janitor that apparently had, like, tortured people in the. In the basement. Never, like, killed him, but he would take them down there and, like, did whatever he did to him. And then there was a guy that slipped and fell in the men's shower, broke his neck and died. There was two little girls that drowned on the same day in the pool. And then a married couple had just gotten married, and they were having their reception on the ballroom, and she fell off the top balcony and fell and. And died. And it's like, man. And then right across the street is the hotel that Jeffrey Dahmer kill his first victim in. And it's like, this place is just spooky. [00:11:09] Speaker B: It's crawling. Yeah, it's. It's, uh. What room did you guys play there? [00:11:12] Speaker A: Uh, the lick. The bar room. So it was this. I think it was the smallest one. [00:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's where I was with Gary and Charlie years ago, too. [00:11:19] Speaker A: It was right next to the. So you had that room, then there was one more room. [00:11:23] Speaker B: Was there another show going on while you guys. So that's what was wild for what show was going on upstairs? [00:11:29] Speaker A: His name? Well, it wasn't upstairs. It was in the room. Not directly next to us, but across the. Yeah, like, across the building. It was a guy named Courtney something or something. Courtney. He was wild, dude. Like, let's see if I can't find. [00:11:44] Speaker B: The night we were there, bro, you ever heard of Galantis? [00:11:47] Speaker A: No. [00:11:48] Speaker B: Galantis is like a dj. It's like rave. Rave kind of stuff. So funny. Like a rave at the rave, and that was upstairs and, like, the ballroom. And you would just see kids dangling out the windows upstairs as we were loading out. We were loading into the trailer, and you just see kids just going nuts. So it's like you hear muscadine downstairs playing, like, porch swing, because this. This was pre Covid muscadine was different than post Covid Muscadine. And they were doing their thing. And good crowd in there. But then it would be in between songs. You just hear boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, dude. They were going hard, and the kids. And it was funny. You could tell who was there, like, as people were leaving the building, who was there for the thing upstairs and who was there for the muscle. You have all the camo hats and the girl, like, people dress for a country show, and then you have college kids. Just the raven upstairs. [00:12:39] Speaker A: There's a college close by, I think. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I think Marquette. Marquette's right there in Milwaukee. [00:12:43] Speaker A: The dude that was there the night that we played, I can't remember his first I camera, if his first name was Courtney or his last name was Courtney, but they have him all over the rave website or Instagram. But me and Katie, she. So Katie and Austin's girlfriend Allie flew in to watch us that night, and me and Kay were. Let's go check this guy out. And we walked downstairs, and I think Austin and Allie had already went down there. And when we walked in, we probably. We caught, like, the last ten minutes of a show. And we walked in there, and he was in his boxers. He had ripped his pants off, and he was in his boxers. He took the. He was. He was using a corded mic, and he took the cord, wrapped it around his neck, stage dove into the crowd, and then grabbed onto the rafters and started climbing around on the rafters. [00:13:42] Speaker B: What kind of music was it? [00:13:43] Speaker A: It's like, pop, punk rock rock, man. I. Let me see if I can't find. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Somebody named Courtney Bell. [00:13:49] Speaker A: No, that's not him. [00:13:50] Speaker B: I was more like rap. [00:13:52] Speaker A: I'm gonna look. I'm just gonna look on the wet raves thing, because they always have. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Because I'm, like, I'm interested in. [00:13:58] Speaker A: It was actually really good. Like, so I heard. I heard one of his songs on a tv show that I was watching not too long ago. I was like, damn. That's the guy that I saw the rave. Let me see if I can't. I don't want to take too much time. No, look for him. [00:14:16] Speaker B: No, you're good, dude. [00:14:17] Speaker A: He. Yeah, so he was, like, hanging off of the rafters, and his foot got caught in the rafter. Oh, so he's, like, hanging upside down by his foot. His foot's, like, crooked. [00:14:30] Speaker B: Still singing. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Like. Like, didn't skip a beat. And the lady that was giving us tours earlier that day came up to us and was like, he's pretty crazy, isn't he? We're like, oh, yeah. This dude's insane. She was like, he's here all the time. And he ducked. Like, he apparently had broken his leg last time he came through. So I'm about to find Barnes Courtney is his name. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Barnes Courtney? [00:14:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Have you ever heard of that dude? [00:14:57] Speaker B: No. [00:14:57] Speaker A: Oh, dude. So like, this is him. He honestly looks like this is him. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like. His music's really cool, too. He's got a song, I think it's called, like, gold. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Yeah, he's got like almost 3 million monthly's. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Glitter and gold. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Glitter and gold fire. [00:15:14] Speaker B: He's got some streams. [00:15:16] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, it's good. Like, it's good. It's good stuff. I mean, I'm pretty diverse when it comes, like, what kind of music I like. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah. It says in his. In his bio, Barnes Courtney is heavy on stomp and swagger, bringing to mind the primal thump of bands like the white Stripes, the punk rock energy of the Sex Pistols, and a good dose of indie rock, edge and gospel. [00:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Here's like. It's pretty good. [00:15:45] Speaker B: It's kind of like, um. Was that band that Theobald was in the music video, Bishop Gunn? [00:15:51] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker B: It has like that Bishop gun thing. But he's clearly not like a southern guy. [00:15:55] Speaker A: No, you look at him, he does his voice doesn't sound like what he looks what it looks like. [00:15:59] Speaker B: And then he's just running or it's just. It's a show. It's. [00:16:02] Speaker A: I was like, the ten minutes we were in there, I was thoroughly entertained. I walked. Me and Katie walked out and I was like, that was. I would go see that guy ten times over again. And what's funny is I guess he. I don't know what kind of deal he made with him, but in order to sign the inside of the pool, you have to sell out the ballroom, which I think is like 7000 people. You have to sell it out three times back to back. So every time you show up, you have to sell it out. And he never sold it out. But for whatever reason, he drew this huge. What is it? Daggum? It. I'm not even saying the word. Right. Anyways, he drew. [00:16:38] Speaker B: He drew this like a mural. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Mural? Yeah. There it is. There it is. Yeah. He drew this huge mural in the pool, like on the very back wall, and he hadn't sold it out. And I. Somebody told me he, like, made it. He had been there so many times that he had just made a deal with them and they ended up taking it off like they. Because he had posted a picture of what he had did. And when I was there, it wasn't there. So I guess I like scrubbed it off. But anyways, enough about Barnes Courtney. If Barnes Courtney's ever hear this, yourself's pretty cool, man. [00:17:05] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. So, so as far, so 75 hard and just that kind of clarity. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah, so that was like where it started. So I started 75 hard. I was on this tour, I thought it was going to be really hard because I, I love to have a good time and like, I thought then that drinking was like the way to have a good time and like kind of loosen up a little bit from when I got on stage. And so this whole tour, I didn't have any alcohol. And the last night of the tour we were in, I played a show in Atlanta, I flew to New Jersey, played a show in New Jersey with Austin, which was great, by the way. Can talk about that in a minute. But flew back to Atlanta, got in a car, rode to South Carolina, and that was the night of Wales's wedding. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Oh shit. Yeah, we were both there too. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Yeah. So that was the night that it ended, that 75 heart ended. And I wasn't gonna drink. I was feeling so good. I was like, I'm not, I'm not gonna ruin it. But katie was, she was kind of like, you've just been so tense lately. Like, I mean, 75 hard is tough. I mean, working out twice a day and when I was on the tour, like, I wasn't getting any sleep that particular weekend. I worked out the night before I flew to new Jersey. So I went to bed at like 02:00 a.m. woke up at 04:00 a.m. to get on the plane, flew to new Jersey, picked up a rental car, drove to the venue, didn't sleep at all, had to knock out two workouts. By the time I, which I just went for like a run on the beach, which was kind of nice. So I didn't sleep all day that day. Played the show, took the rental car back to the airport, slept in the backseat for like 2 hours. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Newark airport. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Oh yeah, newark. Yeah. Slept in the back of the car for like 2 hours because I, I didn't have a hotel room. Cause I knew I was flying out at like 05:00 a.m. my flight was so wake up, drop the car off the rental, get on the airplane, fly back to Atlanta. Soon as I get to Atlanta, I get in a car and go to South Carolina. Didn't get any sleep in the car, ride over, get to South Carolina, and then I have 2 hours before the wedding starts. So like in a span of those from Thursday to Saturday, I'd slept like four or 5 hours maybe. And so I was exhausted. I was just really tense. And katie was like, 75 hard's over. Take a drink, chill out, have a good time. It'll be fun. So I did. I mean, I don't know if you remember much of that night, me, but I like being. [00:19:32] Speaker B: Randall fowler had driven out there, and then we, me being the crazy tour manager, late night driving guy that I am. We had a hotel room. We drove back. Instead of staying in the hotel room, we drove back that night and got in at like 405:00 in the morning. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Well, I think. I don't remember if it was you or who it was, but I was, like, bumming cigarettes off somebody. [00:19:55] Speaker B: I was. I was bumming off of somebody. Yeah. [00:19:57] Speaker A: So we were probably blown off the same car. And I don't smoke. Like, I don't ever smoke. I would. I used to say when I drink, like, if I'm smoking, you need to take me home. Yeah, probably. But anyways, so I woke up the next morning with, like, the worst hangover I'd probably ever had in my life. And previous to that, the reason I'd started 75 hard, because I was kind of feeling that push, you know, of, like, my relationship with God was getting better. And I just knew getting drunk wasn't something I needed to be doing. And so I woke up the next morning. Hangover was the worst one I've probably ever had in my life. We go back to, we get back to Nashville, and I drank once or twice after that. And the last night I drank, we were at our friend Lydia Vaughn's house. And it started out just like a pretty chill, casual night. And me and Katie went over to Lydia's and ended up having, like, I think we all split, like two or three bottles of wine. And I was, like, the drunkest. And they were just, like, hanging out on the couch, you know, watching movies. And I was sitting there thinking. I was like, man, if this isn't a problem already, it's turning it, like, it's slowly turning into one. And my family has a long past of addicts. Like, addicts. My dad just got out of prison in January. He was an addict. My mom has always struggled with alcoholism. My grandma's dad or my grandma's brother struggled with it. He drank himself to death, pretty much. He was drinking one day, fishing, and fell over in a boat, passed out, drowned. And then my grand, my mom, my grandma on my mom's side was an alcoholic. She drank every day till the day she died. So I was just like. I mean, that song ran in the family. Like, it's a true story. And I was like, I don't want to be singing this song and also be a liar, you know? So I quit, man. And it's been. And it's, like I said, as soon as I did, it was. It was kind of. It was easier for me because it wasn't, like, something I needed, but it was also I saw, like, the kind of. The path of destruction I was kind of leaving. Like, it wasn't. I wasn't doing anything insane, but I knew that I was making. I was upset, and some people. And, like, Katie didn't love it. Yeah, I just. I gave it up, and it's been great, man. Like, there's definitely, like, this. This past weekend, we went on a writers retreat with Tyler Chambers and all those boys. And, I mean, I would be lying if I was like, man, cold beer and good buzz. Sounds good. We were on a farm down in with those guys. Yeah. I mean, so. But it's. It's definitely worth not doing. Like, you wake up the next morning, and everybody's like, man, I feel like crap. And you're like, not me. I feel good. Yeah. [00:22:44] Speaker B: And I feel like sobriety's become a lot more normalized. [00:22:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pop. Like, it's actually kind of popular, man. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Like, yeah, dude, I. Which is cool. Cause when I first moved to town, it wasn't like that. You know, especially me working in the bars and stuff. It was weird to people that I was just drinking red bulls every night, which wasn't the healthiest thing. Red bulls were not the best. [00:23:04] Speaker A: Hey, dude, one advice for another, man. Like, I quit. Just about. I quit. I don't drink caffeine. I mean, I drank decaf coffee, and I make. I pick phone with Katie. Cause I'm like, everything that used to be fun, I don't do anymore. Like, no caffeine, no alcohol. Like, I don't really care. [00:23:19] Speaker B: So it's. So it's just nicotine right now? [00:23:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, dude, just straight nicotine in my veins every day. [00:23:24] Speaker B: What got you. What got you off of this? And back to the analog, so. [00:23:28] Speaker A: To the analog. I love that. Um, so I was. I had. Was zenning, if that's what you want to call it. Zinning or doing zens, whatever. And I'm a pretty anxious person. Like, my anxiety is always pretty bad, so I'm always trying to level that out. Like, the reason I quit drinking caffeine was to try to level up my anxiety, and there's a lot of things that I try to do to try to help it. And oddly enough, I found that zins, for whatever reason, were, like, just spiking it. I don't know why. I don't know why zens did and regular dip doesn't, but there was a couple days that I, I think I'd ran out of a can or something and just never went. I never went back into town to grab another one. And that weekend, I felt great. My anxiety had, like, leveled out. I wasn't, like, as, like, tense. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:21] Speaker A: I was like, man, that's weird. Maybe I should try quitting nicotine and zen. So I quit those for about three or four months, and then hunting season rolled around, and this past hunting season or last deer season, I went around door knocking, which is just, you go to plant or farm farmland or landowners and, you know, little farms you can find and go ask if you can get permission to kill a deer or two on their land. So I was spending, like, four and 5 hours every afternoon just driving around in the country. And it started with the red man. I went to the gas station, and. [00:24:55] Speaker B: I was like, man, there's something about a golf ball. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. There's just something about. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Something about chewing on that raisiny goodness that's so flowing, bro. There's something about that. [00:25:06] Speaker A: So I was, I bought a can of. It was either Levi Garrett or red. I think it was red, man. Um, and then hunt season came in, and I'd kept the red man in my bag. From that, I'd probably put, like, two or three pinches of it in, like, after I'd bought it. And then the hunt season started, and I had some land to hunt on, so I kept it in my hunting bag. And, uh, every morning, like, while I was sitting in the stand, I just put a little bit in. And eventually it was like, man, that just got me. It got me again. But if it's. Man, if it's the only thing that I got, it's the only vice that I've got. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Like, redman and Levi and beechnut were cool. Like, that long. That chew is cool because it's like you're chewing gum. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:51] Speaker B: You know, it's an activity. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, you're constantly sitting there, just you're not on. You're gnawing on it the whole time, and it's sweet. It's hate. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Like, it's syrupy, what I do with this, and I never did it with the pouches. Cause I used to be a copenhagen guy, I would do long cut or I would do pouches. Yeah, I'll end up moving this the zin. [00:26:12] Speaker A: All right? [00:26:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. All over. I'll be fucking chewing on it, which is probably giving me cavity after cavity after cavity, which will cross that bridge when we get to it. But it's like, I'm always like that, that, like, fixation and moving it around because I haven't done Redmond. I haven't done, like, chew in a long time. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Well, dude, I. I mean, it's a, it's like a, I feel like it's a seasonal thing. Maybe not for some people, but for me, it's definitely when it starts getting colder outside and it's like, man, I'm gonna be sitting in a deer stand for five, 6 hours. Because when I, when I would go hunting, the land that I was hunting on was like an hour and a half outside of town. So when I went, I'd spend the day out there. Like, Katie would let me go down there and just kind of turn my phone off, and I'd get in the stand and I'd sit, you know, till about 930, 10:00 and then I'd climb down, go to the truck, eat a, like, pack of lunch, eat a sandwich while I was at the truck, and then go back out and kind of just walk around and find a good spot to sit on during the day on the ground. And I never, funny enough, I never killed anything on that land. It was public land, dude. [00:27:23] Speaker B: And I hear public land's tough, dude. [00:27:25] Speaker A: Public land and public land here. Public land anywhere is tough. But publican here, for whatever reason, is really tough. [00:27:31] Speaker B: I've heard Gary talk about that with turkeys. [00:27:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. Like, for instance, I was out, walked in the woods one morning, and I have an app called Onyx. And the app is pretty much for the people that don't know. It's an app that tells you the perimeter of a property that you're on. Who owns the property, the number sometimes for the person that owns the property, it gives you wind direction. Like, it's a, it's a hunter's best friend. So I'd scouted out this little spot on Onx. I was at the tip of this field, and this particular morning, I walked in there, got my stand set up, and I'm just about to climb up the tree, and I see a flashlight hit me. And this guy walks up to me, and he's, he's real nice, dude. He's like, hey, man, I, you know, been hunting over at this little spot for a little while, but, you know, I'll walk back a little bit further. What. What lanes are you gonna be shooting down? And I told him, you know, directly in front of me and probably off to my right, he's like, all right, cool. I'll walk in, you know, 150 yards, try to get behind you. Like, cool. And when the sun comes up, I stand up in my stand is stretching a little bit, like, stretching my back. And I turn around, and I see his ground blind, maybe 20 or 30 yards behind me. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Oh, damn. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Like, he's right there. Like, I could throw a stick and hit his. Hit his blind, and I ended up seeing six does that morning. And he. When we climbed down and we were, like, packing up our stuff, he walked up to me, he's like, man, you see them? Does that come out over there? I was like, it's a problem that we saw. We're not hunting together, and we saw the same deer. That's an issue. And he was. We were nice. We, like, cut up and laughed about it, like, oh, public land. Am I right? [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:15] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, it's tough. It's like, I mean, you can kill, like, my buddy Derek Austin killed a big eight point on that same land that I was hunting. And my buddy J, which, you know, Jay Sisk, I think is his last name. Yeah, he hunts public land all the time, and he's kind of the guy that, like, when I started, because I never hud in public land until out. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Out here. Co. Yeah, yeah, yeah, out here. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So he kind of gave me the roadmap for scouting public land in Tennessee, because Tennessee hunting land and Georgia are two completely different things. Like, here, you have to worry about the elevation that you're sitting on. And, like, thermals are a thing that what thermals are is when it heats up. When the sun comes up, thermals rise. So if you're sitting on top of a hill and a deer is at the bottom, it's not going to smell you because thermals arising. But if Hadir is down at the bottom of a hill and the sun's setting, thermals fall, so he's gonna be able to smell you. And thermals outweigh wind every time, which I'm geeking out on. Yeah, public lands tough. But that's kind of like whenever I get into the red man and Levi Garrett stuff. Sorry, I went out on tan. [00:30:28] Speaker B: No, no, you're good, dude. No, you country folks, that's something that you do. I've still never been hunting I went. [00:30:34] Speaker A: We gotta get you. We gotta take. [00:30:36] Speaker B: I shot clays for the first time in a long time. And I actually did really well. I finally learned how to properly shoot my Mossberg 500. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Did you go to Nashville gun club? [00:30:46] Speaker B: I went to. I got a. My girlfriend, Aaron, is good friends with. With Larry. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker B: Who has the land up there? I forget exactly. I think it's. I think it's Goodlettsville, but somewhere up in that Goodletsville jolt in that area, we were hanging out with our friends. Our friends Kyle and Andy and their wives. And. And Kyle brought. Brought his little daughter Arlo out with him. And she had this little, like, baby, like, bb gun and had the little stand for. It was shooting that little targets and stuff. It was cute. But I was. I was surprised. Cause I got out there and I'm like. I told Aaron, I'm like, babe, like, I'm not the best with guns. I own one, but I'm not very good at. And she's. She's got, like, a bunch from South Carolina. Like, very. [00:31:35] Speaker A: So she's good. [00:31:36] Speaker B: She's good. Especially with, like, handguns and stuff. I've never. Handguns. I'm don't know the first thing about shotguns. I'm all right. [00:31:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:43] Speaker B: But I started, like, I got a little streak and I started. [00:31:46] Speaker A: Just feels good. [00:31:47] Speaker B: I started just crushing. Yeah, it was really good. I did. I did good. Yeah. So it was cool. I would love to try and hunt at some point just to see what it's like. Because I also take you, dude. Cause I also don't know what it's like to just sit in complete silence. Probably good for me, it sounds like it's. [00:32:06] Speaker A: It's. Dude, it's therapeutic. So therapeutic, man. Like, especially for creative, like, somebody with minds like ours that just are constantly running nonstop, like, yeah, I don't know if it's the same for you, but for me, like, I have to watch tv to fall asleep. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Oh, dude. If I don't. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Like, I'll just lay there and think about what I have to do the next day or trying to figure out song ideas, whatever it is. [00:32:29] Speaker B: What do you put on. On the tv? Because my problem is I'll get into watching a show and then I'll fall. No, you will. Or I'll fall asleep. And then I'll wake up and I'll be like, how the fuck am I on episode nine, season two? I started this. At episode three, I missed six episodes. Now I gotta figure out where was the point that I fell asleep. I've been doing that with narcos lately. [00:32:49] Speaker A: So here's a. My tip or trick for that is here's a bunch of dudes talking about watching tv. My tip is set at self timers, so that. Or a sleep timer. That's what I do. So I'll set my tv on a sleep timer for an hour and a half. And if I'm not asleep by the time that hour and a half is up. Cause each episode you're watching is roughly 45 minutes to an hour. [00:33:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:11] Speaker A: So if I'm not asleep by the time that hour and a half is up, nine times out of ten, like, all right, I should probably turn it off. Cause I've been awake watching tv for. It's 11:00. I need to go to sleep. But if I do fall asleep and it shuts off, I'm usually. It is usually only like, an episode ahead of where I'm at. [00:33:28] Speaker B: That's a cheat code. My buddy Colin used to do that. We were kids. We'd have, like, sleepovers at his house, like 3rd, 4th grade. His parents would set the tv on a sleep timer. That's my. That's my only experience with sleep timers. So talking about your. The music now and what you've got. What you've got going on. The girl that can drive. [00:33:49] Speaker A: That girl. [00:33:50] Speaker B: That girl can drive. Excuse me. That girl can drive. [00:33:52] Speaker A: The girl that can drive is all. Also funny. [00:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker A: The girl that can drop. Either one works, dude. I'm happy with either one. [00:33:58] Speaker B: Wrote that with Justin Wilson and Joey Hyde, dude. And I remember when you first started working with Joey. And Joey's an Og in town, which is probably weird for him to hear because he remembers when he was running around town, moving here, when it was like, him. Brinley, Addington, Aaron Esseis. Ryan heard, like, that crew and now he's like one of the ogs that's investing his time and energy and bringing along guys like yourself. [00:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. He. I mean, I will always give praise to Joey because he doesn't have to do anything that he's doing. Like, for me specifically. I don't know what all he's doing for, like, I know he works with Megan, Patrick and, like, clark. Yeah. And he's written. I mean, he's written songs for Ryan. Heard Cameron Marlowe know Hinder. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Like, so he pretty much just took me in under his wing and every, like, he does all of it for free. And he doesn't charge me production points. He doesn't charge me any money to do it. And he always tells me he's like, I'd rather make money when there's a lot of it. Versus, like, right now. He's like, right now, I know you need it. I know that you need it to pour back in to tour and to merch and to even, because we still pay for, like, like, Jim Cooley's mix and everything and Nathan over it. I can't remember the name of the company, but he's a guy named Nathan's master and everything. He's, like, one of the best mastering engineers in town. And then we got great musicians. So, like, we're having to pay all these people, and Joey's like, man, just dump the money into good musicians, good quality. [00:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:42] Speaker A: Stuff, and worry. We'll worry about it later. We'll figure it out on the back end. So he. Yeah, dude. I mean, I honestly, if it wasn't for Joey Hyde, I don't think I would have as much going on as I do because recording music is expensive. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker A: And producers are expensive, and that's probably, like, we've got my cost down to cut a song so low right now, which is just one of those things that is, like, I don't deserve it. Like, I didn't do anything different. You know, I wouldn't call myself lucky or anything like that. Like, I just prided myself in gaining respect of people around town and working hard. And if people are working hard for me and I'm sitting around on my behind and not trying everything I can touch, make this work, like, then those people are gonna look at me like I'm investing my time into nothing. Like, this is gonna fall short. He's not working hard enough. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it speaks to you on a few levels. One, you're. You're good at what you fucking do. You've been good at what you do since you were good at what you do. Like, figuring it out years ago when I first met you, and you've. You've really. And now you've gotten to go out and do some touring, do more of the full band showcase stuff. Like, you're. You're a guy when people are like, oh, cool, Brian Fuller's playing. I want to go to that round. I want to watch. I want to hear what. What he's been writing. I want to like you. You have that. Two, you're a good fucking dude. [00:37:12] Speaker A: Thank you, man. [00:37:13] Speaker B: You're a really good guy. Like, above all, you've always been, like, a good dude. And for a guy like Joey who's been in town for a long time and seen different waves. Like, literally. I mean, he. He has seen. He remembers. He was here when the pro country was. He was here for the. The changeover of, like, what came post Covid. He's been in town for a long time. He's. He's a family guy. Like, he's worked his. Worked his tail off. It has his own artists going on, too. But for a guy, like, like, guys like that, they want to help out and keep the tradition of good guys winning in town. Yeah, that's him. That's Brinley. That's. That's Ryan, that's Aaron. That. That whole crew, the Google us guys that they. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Oh, you know about Google? [00:37:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been down to key west. [00:38:00] Speaker A: A bunch of wards in there. Yep. Ryan heard Aaron s ice and do. What's funny is they go play, like, once a year, maybe in Chicago or, like, a random city, and it's like a group of 16 dudes. Like, I don't know exactly how many people are in Google. [00:38:17] Speaker B: I would imagine Tenpenny might be in there. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah, those guys. [00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:21] Speaker A: And they'll go up to, like, some random city and podunk wherever and play a show, and they just rotate who plays what. Yeah, so, like, joey Hyde will get up and sing, you know, three or four songs, play electric guitar, and then he'll switch to bass. And Ryan hurdle jump up there and sing a couple songs, and they'll have Phil Lawson on drums. And then, like, they're just constantly changing guys out, and they just get shit faced and have a good time. And it sounds like I want to go see one. Like, I want to. I don't know if they'll ever play. [00:38:47] Speaker B: Again, but, yeah, I saw them in Key west doing the round style stuff a couple years ago, and it was. It was awesome. But a guy like that sees. Sees something and wants to be a part of. He was. He had such an imprint on what was going on over the last decade. He wants to keep that going. And by working with folks like yourself and long time friends like Meg and up and coming females like. Like Lista. [00:39:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think that Joey. Which. It kind of makes me mad just a little bit. Like, I don't think that Joey. Maybe he does, maybe doesn't, but it feels like he doesn't get enough credit for, like, how crucial sometimes he's been in people's, like, the beginning of their careers. Like, cameron Marlowe had burn them all, which was arguably next to giving you up. Giving you up was one of his biggest songs. Like, I feel like burn them all was the song that really. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Kind of catapulted him. Joey Hyde wrote that song. [00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Loving a bar. Ryan heard, like, that's one of. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna look. I'm gonna look up, like, joey Hyde songs right now. [00:39:49] Speaker A: So you can go to. You can go to Spotify, dude. I do this all the time. In fact, he didn't even know he had a Spotify page, where it's like, joey Hyde. It says on Spotify. Joey Hyde as a songwriter. Let me pull it up. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Joey. Joey Hyde as a songwriter. [00:40:03] Speaker A: No. So, like, you can go to, like, cameron marlowe's page and then go five, burn em all, wherever that song is at. And then go to song credits. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:14] Speaker A: And then it'll. Joey Hyde's name will pop up with a little arrow next to it. And then you can go to, oh. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Aaron's got one, too, so he's got. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Made for you, Jayco. And burn them all. Cameron Marlowe song about you, Sam Grow. You know that song? [00:40:30] Speaker B: Yep. [00:40:30] Speaker A: Yes. Great song. [00:40:31] Speaker B: I want to hear a song about. [00:40:33] Speaker A: You later on the Swan brothers. Honest. The band Camino. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Like, so many. [00:40:39] Speaker A: So many good american rock and roll kid rock. I'm just. [00:40:44] Speaker B: Burn me out Brian Fuller. [00:40:46] Speaker A: Burn me out Brian Fuller. It's probably down on the bottom. [00:40:49] Speaker B: And then other. Then other folks that are. That are coming up, too. Like, Aaron Kirby's awesome. You know, like, she's. [00:40:55] Speaker A: Me and her actually just wrote the other. She's great. [00:40:57] Speaker B: She's fantastic. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:40:58] Speaker B: Another Georgia. [00:40:59] Speaker A: Yeah, she's from Georgia. And she's like, she's got a cool story. Like, you know, and is, I mean, such a sweetheart. She's young and, like. [00:41:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And then other up and comers, like Walker Montgomery, long buddy of all of ours, Michael Warren, who's out of Alabama, that's making moves in town. Like, yeah, he's. He's investing. Oh, he's got an old Murphy, Murphy. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Omore shout out to Omurph neon union. He's got a hinder song. I'm trying to find which one. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Brooklyn. He's in that. That tree as well. So, yeah, it's like, how impactful he's been. I mean, freaking made for you. I remember when that came out and that was a. That was a big. Was a big song for a lot of people. [00:41:39] Speaker A: It was great. [00:41:41] Speaker B: So, yeah, Joey does, like, as a writer and then as a producer and just a creator in general. Just a good guy to have in your corner. [00:41:48] Speaker A: He is, man. And, yeah, dude, I can't say enough nice things about him. [00:41:52] Speaker B: Yeah. And like I said, like, it's. It's a testament to you and what you've had. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Thanks, man. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Going on and all of that. So the touring stuff, has it just been kind of solo acoustic opening? Has you gotten to do the band stuff on the road or. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Dude, so Randall King has been nice enough to take us out a couple times and. [00:42:11] Speaker B: What a guy. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Dude. [00:42:12] Speaker B: What a guy. [00:42:13] Speaker A: What a guy. I mean, seriously, Randall King is like. [00:42:17] Speaker B: And his crew, they're good people. [00:42:18] Speaker A: So I'm sure. I don't know how much you ran into this when you were on the road, but one of the, one of the things that stood out to me the most when we're, when we're, when we're out with Randall is they'll strike the stage after. I mean, they'll leave everything up. They'll leave the drums up there, obviously, but his crew, like, his utility player, his guitar players, they'll strike the stage back. So we have room to set our stuff up, which, like, a lot of people will just leave their stuff in place and you just kind of have to work around it. And, like, your drummer is, like, right next to you on the stage and, like, everybody's kind of crammed in. And we played a place called Toughie's music box. [00:42:58] Speaker B: That in Florida, right? [00:42:59] Speaker A: Yeah. You've been there, haven't you? [00:43:00] Speaker B: I have not. I've heard of it a bunch. [00:43:01] Speaker A: It's a great venue, dude. It's super cool. The first time I'd heard of it is when Dylan played there. A couple. I think it's been last year at some point, but the stage was pretty small. Like, it wasn't, you know, it's. It's big enough for a band like Randall's or like, ella Langley's played there, but we get in there, we sent his band gets done sound checking, and it's tight quarters, and his band was like, hey, man, whatever you need to move, move it. Like, if something's in your way, get it out of the way. Like, we want you guys to be comfortable up there. And we were like, we had just as much room as he did. And that, that says a lot about, he just, I feel like he remembers what it was like to be in a position like I am, where you're, like, really, really grinding and trying, and he, he's a great dude, man. I can't. I can't say enough good things about Randall. [00:43:56] Speaker B: First time I ran across Randall King was 2019 with, on the road with Gary and Charlie. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Selling merch. George is majestic in Fayetteville, Arkansas. And Randall opened full band. And at the time, I got to know his. His merch guy, cody, really well at the time and all that, and I remember seeing Randall's show, and it was awesome. And then Muscadine was doing. Would do a cover of real good, man, and they had Randall come up and sing with him, and it was just electric. Yeah, dude, he's so freaking. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Dude, he. So, Randall, this is a really. It's kind of a full circle moment, actually, for me, for as far as him cutting my song. So a couple years ago, I think it probably was 2019. It was right after I moved to town. When I got here, I got really good buddies with, like, Tristan Mraz, Tyler Chambers, Derek Austin. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Like, you guys were in the round, kids. [00:44:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Come out every. Every Tuesday. We did that. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Did we? Like, we lived. Yeah. Live oak, midtown Demery, and that little pizza joint that was right next to little Chicago. Little Chicago, yeah. But one night I did. I never forget it, just. Especially now that he's cut the song. Me, Tyler Chambers, Bryce Malden, and Derek Austin. We're going out to meet up with Tristan. And Tristan was like, I've got my buddy that's in town right now. At the time, I think Randall was still living in Texas, I think. And I remember Tristan. We were walking down the alley. I don't know where we were heading, but we're walking down this alley, and Tristan and Randall were riding up on lime scooters, and we meet up together, and we go to. I think we're at losers. And me and Randall, we're just standing there talking, like, just kind of cutting up a little bit and trying to get to know each other because, you know, he, like, my crew of guys that I hung out with, I hung out with him every day. So I was just trying to meet as many people in town as I could. And Randall was talking to me. He was like, yeah, man, I'm in town shopping record deals right now. And at the time, I was like, no, you're not. Like, not because I didn't. I didn't know who he was, not because I didn't think he was good, but I was like, somebody that's trying to get a record there right now is not going to be hanging out with us. [00:46:19] Speaker B: He's not riding up on a lime scooter with fucking Tristan. [00:46:21] Speaker A: Yeah, with us. Like this dude. I was like, okay, yeah, cool. You know, cool. Whatever, man. That sounds awesome. And I put my. I didn't I didn't. Like. I was like, yeah, okay, whatever, dude. But I was like, oh, man, that's awesome. Heck, yeah. You know, happy for you, dude. And a couple months later, I'm on instagram and see where Warner music signs this new act, Randall King. And I'm like, oh, shit, that dude's being serious. [00:46:50] Speaker B: Guess he was shopping. He found a buyer. [00:46:54] Speaker A: I went and listened to his music, and I was like, holy crap, this dude is insane. Hey, cowgirl. Like, all the songs that he. And at that point in time, mirror, mirror, like, all these really, mirror, mirror. [00:47:05] Speaker B: On the wall, just makes you want to put on a cowboy hat and spin a girl around the dance floor. [00:47:12] Speaker A: So I was like, damn, this is really good. And I got hooked on his music. I loved it, dude. I. Like, I was a massive Randall King fan. And then fast forward to last year. I was on the way to the gym, and Randall, I could be. That rain had just come out, like, a couple months before that, and I'm on the way to the gym on my phone. Probably shouldn't be, but it's like a two mile drive, so, you know, whatever. I'm checking my. Checking my social. [00:47:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:40] Speaker A: And I've got a direct message from Randall King. And in my mind, I'm like, this is. This is spam. There's. This isn't real. And I can't. Like, I didn't open it. I saw it, and I was driving. I was about to pull in the parking lot. I saw it. I was like, this is spam. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Spam account. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Randall King did not dm me on Instagram. And I pulled up in the parking lot, and I'm sitting there, and I was like, it had a blue check mark by it. Maybe I should just check it. But you can also buy the blue check mark now. Like, it doesn't mean what it used to mean. I feel like. So I get back on my phone and I open up, and I could probably go find it. It's a long. Here. I will. Just for the sake of being. I've never read it to anybody. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:48:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I've never. I've been on a couple podcasts and, like, just kind of mention it, but I've never actually read the DM that he sent me. And he Facebook messaged me, too, so he Facebook messaged me first. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Oh. [00:48:36] Speaker A: And I don't ever check my Facebook messenger. And so I guess a day or two goes by and I didn't reply to him, so he just shot me a DM on Instagram. I'm trying to pull up the message right now. My service is slow. Please hold the loading bar. [00:48:57] Speaker B: I'll give you the damn wi fi so we can make this happen. Oh, yeah, dude, go to city limit studios private. Okay, I'll share it with you. [00:49:07] Speaker A: City limit Studios pro. That's not right. That's guest private. [00:49:11] Speaker B: We'll get you on that private stuff. [00:49:14] Speaker A: On a PJ private jet, boy. [00:49:16] Speaker B: There you go. All right, now you should be able to. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Now I'm in. All right, here we go. Sorry for the wait, little Wayne. All right. Gotta scroll back up to the top. All right, so this is July 16. He shot me a DM. Said, hey, man, this is Randall King. Got a question for you, my friend. You have a song that I think is completely incredible. I could be that rain. Not sure what you have going on with it or in your career right now if you're shopping labels or using that song to shop labels, but just wanted to ask you what your thoughts would be if I cut it and put it my own spin on it. We cut this Tuesday and Wednesday. So the album was done, like, to my knowledge, like, they had picked all the songs. But he was like, we're cutting this Tuesday and Wednesday for my record. That'll drop this fall. Would never cut it without your permission, especially if you have big plans with it. Just. Just was hoping to put it on this record. Just let me know, my friend. You're welcome to holler back at me here and shot me his number. And I'm like, I'm sitting in the gym parking lot and I'm like, this is real. This is Randall King. I never had a major label cut before. Nobody had reached out to me about cutting songs. I wasn't signed to a publisher, nothing. Like I'd put this song out because I loved the song. And I'm sitting here in the gym parking lot. I'm like, holy shit. I'm about to get my first major label cut through a DM on Instagram. This is sick. [00:50:28] Speaker B: It's how it works, bro. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I. I shot him a DM back and I was like, hey, man, absolutely 1st. First and foremost, please cut the song like that. I would be honored. I'll give you a call in just a little bit. I'm about like walking to the gym. So I go to the gym, workout. I barely even. Barely even able to work out because I'm just like, so pumped. And get in the truck, go home and get. I didn't tell Katie because I was just. I wanted to tell her in person. So I get home, and I'm like, randall King wants to cut one of my songs. And she was like, what? What are you talking about? And I'm like, I show her the DM, and she's like, oh, crap. That's freaking awesome. So I call him and just the nicest dude in the world, man. He was like, yeah, like, this song is incredible. I, you know, would never cut it without your permission. And we just, you know, we'd love to put it on this record. And I was pumped. And it was supposed to come out in the fall of last year, and then it didn't end up coming up until January. And, dude, I mean, he. He pretty much changed my life in a way. Like, before that song had come out, I'd had a lot of, you know, I'd had a lot of attention from publishers, and, you know, I met some record labels and some people in a and r positions and labels, and it was kind of like they were always. It felt like they were always just waiting on something to, like, make it make sense. And that song came out in January. The day it came out, actually, I had a publisher email me that I had already met with previously, and she never reached back out to me after our meeting, and some other stuff happened that I wasn't a big fan of that she had done, and she hit me up through an email. It's like, hey, Brian, I could be that Rain is an amazing song. Which, keep in mind, I'd already put it out. Like, she had already heard it because I'd already put it out. I could be that Rain is amazing song. Are you still looking for a publishing deal? We'd love to sign you. And I was like, no, absolutely not. But after that song. So it came out in January, and then I started taking some meetings. Stuff really started, like, stirring up a little bit. I started taking some more meetings around town, and I ended up having, like, six or seven pub offers, some artists development deal offers, and, yeah, dude, it just kind of one thing led to another, and I ended up at Sony, so. [00:53:05] Speaker B: Which is a great place. [00:53:06] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. And the funny thing is about, who's. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Your point over who you. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Aubrey. Aubrey Landon. Which I. Dude, the cool thing about Sony is I say that Aubrey is obviously my public. She's my point person. She's who I talk to every day. But I talked to everybody in there, man. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Talk to Rusty. Talk to big. [00:53:21] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. Rusty called me. He called me yesterday. I was in rehearsals, and he was like, hey, man, I just wanted to check up on you see how you're. Which. How many presidents of a company do you know will just call you in their free time? He was like, hey, man, I had some people asking about you this week, and I'm just going to connect you with some people. And I just wanted to. You know, I just wanted to call and check on you, see how you're doing, make sure everything was good at a major. Had a major. Sony. I mean, he's a major. He's the president of a major publishing company. And Big Tom's over there, dude. He's great. I mean, he's just this. [00:53:54] Speaker B: So I know Big Tom through Trey and McKinney and all those folks, because all the DD id stuff, that all ended up. Because you remember when that was all we had. Every. Every fucking label and publisher in town going to our things that we had Trey and Maxwell and Ella and. And Joy, Beth and McKinney and all them playing, and they all ended up. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Were there that whole. They signed that whole. That whole crew. Yeah, the whole crew. Two deals. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is. Dude. I mean, and so the thing about them is. And not, like, every offer that I had, the people that I was meeting with were amazing. Like, it was probably one of the hardest decisions I've had to make, like, to date. And I had a couple different offers in, and, dude, like I said, I'm a very firm believer in God. And look at there, Clayton. Tony Randall Kingsman. He's calling me right now. I'll call you right back, Clayton, if you listen to this. [00:54:56] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:55:00] Speaker A: So, like I said, I'm a firm believer in the Lord, and I very much believe that he shoots you winks every once in a while. And the crazy thing about Sony is, so Trey Landon, which is a good friend of mine, I was sleeping on his couch when I first got to town. [00:55:17] Speaker B: He's the big brother to all you, Dill. I mean, I'm sure, like, Tyler Chambers. I'm sure even guys like Cole Goodwin, Gavin Adcock, will Mosley, all those kids coming up now have had an experience. [00:55:32] Speaker A: With Trey, and I. Dude, I met Tyler Chambers at Trey's house, like, we were having. So I used to, when I would come up to town, I would stay on Trey's couch. [00:55:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:40] Speaker A: And that's kind of like how I got inserted into the crew that I'm in. And so Trey Landon married Aubrey, which is my publisher now. So I knew Aubrey for a while, like, dear and Randall's. Excuse me. I had burp, dear and Randall's listening party. That they had for his album. Aubrey was there, and me and her, you know, bumped into each other and talked for a minute. And so. And then the Bible study that I go to, Jordan Rowe music Row ministries, a thing that he has at fire hall every morning, like, I'm. I'm pulling into the Sony parking lot every Wednesday morning with, like, the weight of the world on my shoulders to go to this Bible study, to, like, to try to get closer to God and to try to, you know, be the man that I feel like I should be, the man that I need to be, the man that, like, Katie wants me to be, the man that my friends need me to be. And then I get baptized in the Sony parking lot and the wood. So these are all little things that, like, when I'm sitting down looking at, like, what company to sign with, it's like, man, I've spent a lot of time there, like, without really even trying to. And then so fast forward, I've got all these pub offers in and, like, some artist development things, and they're all, like, looking really good. Like, everybody's kind of being, you know, they're giving me the stuff that I'm asking for. And Jordan Walker calls me one day. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Jordan talker, baby. We love Jordan. That's my. That's my boy. [00:57:19] Speaker A: He calls me one day, and he's like, hey, man. Okay, so actually, what happened was. Sorry, I'm getting a little. I'm getting a little ahead of myself. [00:57:25] Speaker B: You're good. [00:57:26] Speaker A: I went to a round of the listening room one night with Justin Wilson was playing. Me and Justin have become close friends over the last couple months, and katie was out of town, which is. This is just how so weird how God makes things work. So katie's out of town. If she wasn't out of town, I probably wouldn't have went to this round, because I. When I'm. When she's home and I'm home, I try to spend as much time with her as I can, and so she's out of town. I'm like, man, I don't really have anything to do tonight. The round was sold out, and I hit Justin up. I'm like, hey, man, I'd really love to come tonight. Like, I know it's sold out, but if you have an extra ticket, like, on your guest list, I'd love to come. And he's like, oh, dude, I got you. I put you on the list to show up. So I get there, and I walk back into the green room at the listening room, and Jordan walker's in there. And I walk in, and he was like, you're that dude that wrote I could be that rain. And I was like, yeah, man, me and Mason torley wrote it. And jordan's got two songs on that record. And he's like, dude, hands down my favorite song on the record. Like, he said, man, every morning when I get in the shower, I strip down, I tell Alexa to play I could be that rain. I jump in the shower, and I sing it the whole time I'm in the shower. So I'm just, like, dying on the cow. I'm laughing my ass off. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:39] Speaker A: So they get on stage, they play the round. Justin Wilson calls me up on stage to play I could be that rain that night. And Jordan calls me, like, two days later, and he's like, hey, man, I'd really love to take you to breakfast, just, like, kind of get to know your story a little bit. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Big breakfast guy loves it, dude. I've had lots of Waffle house Nadine's breakfast meetings with fucking Jordan Walker. [00:58:57] Speaker A: So me and him go to big bad breakfast over in west one morning. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Good spot. [00:59:01] Speaker A: It's a great spot, dude. And we're sitting down talking, and he thought that I had already signed a deal. And I was like, yeah, man, I'm still, you know, I'm still looking around. Haven't made my mind up on anything yet. He was like, well, my publisher, Aubrey, really wants to talk to you. We all kind of thought that you'd already had something already worked out, so we, you know, whatever. They. We just hadn't made the connections yet. And he was like, give me, like, a week or two, and let me see if I can't get a meeting with the two of y'all just to go talk to her, just go have coffee with her. And I was like, yeah, I love Aubrey. We'd love to do that. So we set the meeting up. I met with Aubrey on March 8. Rusty was out of town the next week, so I think it was like some kind of spring break or something for his kids, whatever it was. So his kids were out of school, so he was out of the office for the whole next week. So I met Rusty March 18. Two days later, they had my deal memo, my offer, in my lawyer's inbox. So they. I mean, literally, within three weeks, they had offered me a deal. And it was like, when I went in to meet with Rusty, he cared, man. Like, he asked me stuff. Like, it wasn't like a normal publishing meeting. [01:00:21] Speaker B: I think something they do very well. And I've seen this from being with Trey, is that they'll sign you to a publishing deal, but if they know that you're an artist, they want it. They want to see you succeed. They want to see Brian Folder the artist succeed and be able to put out the best songs possible and watch you develop in town. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah, and, dude, that's, like, Aubrey is constantly putting my name in the pot for stuff like that. Like, she got me a meeting with some A and R over at Warner for, like, they were interested in a record deal maybe, like, so there's. She's constantly trying to do stuff like that. Like, anything she can do to help me out. [01:01:03] Speaker B: Yeah. They're not just booking you writes. [01:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, they're not. So, I mean, she, like, constantly is working on stuff for me outside of the writing, outside of the writing space. And if I need anything for her from her as far as, like, hey, you know, I really want to get to know this person. I know y'all have a connection. Could you connect the two of us? And, you know, just put a coffee meeting down in the books, and she'll do stuff like that, or, like, I'll send her songs that I'm releasing that she will kind of give me pointers on. It's like, hey, you know, maybe change this or, like. Or, no, this is great. This is perfect the way that it is. Or, you know, like, so she's. She cares, man. And rusty cares. Like, he sends me. I think he does it to everybody, which is awesome that he's sending all of these writers, like, inspirational quotes once a week or, you know, just. Just trying to find ways to lift people. Lift people up. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Now what? For kids that are out there, because the whole thing of finding the right deal and this and that. And, like, you try to get the booking deal, you try to get the publishing deal, you try to find the manager. You even try to find the content guy. All that stuff for you. When it came to the publishing deal, what were, like, the big things to look for? [01:02:18] Speaker A: Um, I think most importantly. And it's. It's a lot easier for me to say it now that I have the deal. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:27] Speaker A: But just be super patient. Like, I'd had an offer the year before. Before I could be that rain it. Like, it came out on me. Like, I'd released a song, but Randall hadn't cut the song yet. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:41] Speaker A: And I had an offer come in last year, and it just didn't feel right. Like, I'd been waiting my whole life for a publishing deal, and when I started taking that meeting with that company. I was like, this is great. Like, finally, it's, you know, I'm gonna get my publishing deal. And then I sat down and looked at it. I was like, ma'am, this doesn't feel right. I've waited for. I've waited four or five, three or four years. I can wait a little bit longer. And I'm glad I did. Like, even when I first moved to town, I was getting, like, some looks from some publishers. And it's really tough because, like, if you're an artist and a songwriter, you're having to go on tour on your own dime. You're having to produce music on your own dime. You're having to buy merch on your own dime. Like, you're spending all of this money that you don't really have, on top of trying to put food on the table and just pay your bills. And, you know, a publishing check isn't a lot of money. Like, you're not. You don't. When you sign a publishing deal or record deal, like, you're not rich by no means. Like, you're usually making less than the average american. Like, so. But it's enough to get by. So it's like, it's really. It looks good. [01:04:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:03] Speaker A: But if you can get the right number for as far as, like, what you're making, whatever that may be, I mean, most first deals are anywhere from, like, 28 to 35,000, sometimes $40,000 a year. And that's a good deal. Like, 35,000 a year for your first publishing deal is a great hopes that. [01:04:22] Speaker B: They'Re gonna put you in the rooms to succeed to where you're gonna get number ones. You're gonna get that right credit. So then that. That 35K turns into quite a bit more by having that third or that half of song. [01:04:33] Speaker A: And I will say, too, like, for anybody that is trying to get a publishing deal, when it comes down to your draw, it's recoupable, like, every dime that they give you, they want back. [01:04:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:47] Speaker A: And it's in. They're gonna get. They're gonna get it back, and if they don't, they're gonna drop you. [01:04:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:51] Speaker A: And so the less amount of money that you take, like, take enough to. To make it make sense to pay your bills so you can be a full time songwriter and you don't have to go work a part time job, but don't. Like, I know some guys that will go and be like, I'm not taking less than $75,000. $75,000 over the course of three or four years is a lot of money. You better be producing that you have to pay back. And, like, you think about it your first couple years. Like, it's really hard to get a cut. It's like. And now with the way that streaming set up and, like, how they're paying songwriters and stuff, even a cut doesn't really. Like, it's cool because you have a song on a record that people are gonna hear. Like, people are gonna hear your song, your name's gonna be in the credits. Like, it's a. It's not taking away from that at all. Cuz it is so, so cool to have that, but it's not gonna change your life. Like, you're not gonna be making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah. [01:05:48] Speaker B: It's not gonna push off an album. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Yeah. They're looking for radio singles. They're looking for top 20, top ten. [01:05:54] Speaker B: They're looking for song of the year, that generational. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:57] Speaker B: Kind of thing. [01:05:57] Speaker A: And only so many people can have song of the year. Only so many people can have songs in the top 20. Like, so if you're not able to pay that money back, it's gonna get real tough. Like, they're gonna. Your publisher is gonna start looking like, well, man, we're spending, you know, almost $200,000 a year to employ this guy, and he hasn't had a number one or he hasn't had a radio single. [01:06:20] Speaker B: It's a business. Yeah, it's a business, and I totally understand that. And that's just how it works. [01:06:26] Speaker A: Any advice I could give, man, would just be patient. And it's really hard to be patient, dude. [01:06:31] Speaker B: It's so hard to keep the blinders on, especially. And this is nothing. And I'm glad we're doing a long form. Yeah, I'm formidable because we've been needing to catch. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I've been. I've got. I've got. [01:06:42] Speaker B: Dude, I got. I got no meetings. Yeah, it's Friday, baby. Another thing, too, is, like, keeping the blinders on. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:50] Speaker B: And focusing on you, but still having that crew of guys or girls. But it's like, your crew that came in 2018, 2019. There's been some. Some guys in that crew that have had more success than others. And you want to see your friends win, you want to see your brothers win, and it's like. But then it's like, wait, why is it happening to this guy but not happening to me yet? [01:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:18] Speaker B: I think you having the faith that you have, you understand that life is a plan. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Life is a plan, and everybody's plan is different. [01:07:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Dude, if I. My first thing, my first piece of advice, whether people want to hear it or not, and it's really tough because it's really hard to tell somebody, have faith in God. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:39] Speaker A: When they might not have faith or they've tried it before and they felt like it didn't work. But see, the thing about having faith in God and being a Christian is believing that whatever is meant to happen is going to happen, and it's what is supposed to happen. And if you take the reins on that and you live in your true identity of who you are through Christ, I mean, no matter where you end up, like, my whole life, my whole reason for moving to Nashville could have been to meet Katie, could have been to meet people like you could have been to, you know, just make the friends that I did and grow as a man. [01:08:22] Speaker B: Right. To write songs like the Randall cut. Like. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Like, I could be that rain. Like, give. Give that light into people's lives. Like, so many different things. [01:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, whatever my vision is for my life, as bad as I want it to be, that it might not be that, and you have to be okay with that. And once you make yourself okay with that, and you're just like, I'm going to live life. I'm going to enjoy it. I'm going to be a good person. I'm going to abide by. Because the thing is, the Bible is nothing in it is trying to make nothing in it is meant to destroy you. Everything in it is meant to give you a perfect life. I saw a podcast one time. This guy was talking about how he was trying to explain the Bible to some non believers or people that were kind of on the edge. And he was like, man, somebody had asked me, like, what if it's not real? What if it ends up not being real? He was like, I still like. Because I went by this book, because I abided by God, my life was perfect. My life was great. It wasn't always roses and sunshine, but even the times where it was dark and hard, I had somebody to lean on. And in life, you're not the owner of anything. You just manage things that God gives you. And to be a good manager of your things that are blessed to you, like, you have to understand that. You have to understand that. Like, hey, I could wake up tomorrow and all of it could be gone. Like, God forbid that happened, but you don't know what the next day is going to hold. And you don't own anything when you die, they don't bury you with your house and your four hundred one k and all the nice cars that you bought and all the things that you like. They you just in a casket and they put you in the ground, and then you're there for the rest of your life, and people come and visit your headstone, and it's where you go after that. That is that, like, you get eternal life or you get, you know, the other, which nobody. Nobody wants that. So, dude, I always kind of start with that when people are like, man, I'm just struggling really hard right now. Like, I don't really know what to do. I'm trying to be a songwriter. I'm trying to do this. It's like, man, go to God, find out what your identity is, and live through that identity and watch your life change. Because that, I mean, literally happened for me. Like, I went out to the bars, I drank, I did things I wasn't supposed to do, and my life was in the completely opposite direction. I had a good time, and I met a lot of really good people. [01:11:01] Speaker B: Chaos. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's chaos. Like, it's chaos. It's like this beautiful chaos because you're having fun and you're enjoying the people around you. But the one thing that I noticed is when I quit drinking, I lost a lot of friends. Not in the sense of like, they're like, oh, he thinks he's better than us, but people I don't hang out with because I'm not at the bar. Like, I call my say, hey, man, let's go fishing. Or like, me and Katie are having people over the house night. Do you want to come over? Like, oh, no, man, I'm gonna. We're going to red door tonight. Like, we're going to losers. And those people don't want to come over to the house and hang out. Those people don't want to just go fishing on a Saturday afternoon. They want to, which is okay. [01:11:38] Speaker B: Like, yeah, it's totally fine. [01:11:39] Speaker A: It's totally fine. Like, I still love those people. Like, but it's just funny. Like, you. You start seeing people fall off and. And you're like, oh, man, I thought those were some of my best friends in the world. And then you meet real friends, people like me and you. Like, we can sit down and have an hour long podcast and talk because our relationship goes outside of red doors. [01:12:04] Speaker B: Or live oak bumping into each other at the bar. [01:12:06] Speaker A: Exactly. And it's a lot harder to have conversations. Like, anytime me and you run into a live oak, run into each other at Live Oak. Like, you're busy, everybody's trying to talk to you. [01:12:15] Speaker B: Heads are spinning, bro. [01:12:17] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:12:18] Speaker B: Rounds is tough. [01:12:19] Speaker A: Yeah. But you come to say, like this or, like, you know, we can call each other on the phone and it's like, we can talk. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:25] Speaker A: We can hold conversations past, like, oh, how you doing, man? I'm good, man. Everything's been. [01:12:31] Speaker B: How you been? Oh, you been on the road? Oh, I've been on the road, too. It's like, you know what? We know what each other's been doing as far as the music business because I'm posting my stuff. You're posting your stuff, and we follow each other. [01:12:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it's easy to keep up with people. Yeah, but it's. How can you keep. Can you have a relationship outside of social media? [01:12:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:53] Speaker A: And, yeah, I mean, I know I kind of went on a tangent, but. [01:12:57] Speaker B: No, dude, that's the truth. Yeah. [01:12:59] Speaker A: First priority, I think, is finding your relationship with God and working on that, and then second priority is becoming a better person and working on your heart and, you know, how people perceive you and what they think about you and, dude, because Nashville is a people town. Like, you have to know people that know people to get. To get somewhere, which is just kind of the sad truth. Like, the only reason I got that song cut was because Scott Gunner reached out to Joey Hyde about, you know, just looking for production stuff. Joey sent him. I could be that rain. Scott Gunner loved it. Randall King heard it, wanted to cut it. If I didn't know, if I didn't know Joey and Joey didn't know Scott, I don't know if that song would have ever got cut. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And how much of that is the people knowing people are being in the. Being in the right place. Like, you talk about being a man of faith and working with Joey, and who would have thought I wouldn't have had it on the bingo card three, four years ago when we sat down in Laverne and did the. Did our first round together doing this podcast back in the. In the round days that you would have ever worked with a guy like Joey? [01:14:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:07] Speaker B: You know, you don't know. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you really. And, dude, people in town help you find who you are as an artist. Because the stuff that I've put out over the past couple years, it's. It's changed. All of its changed. Like, the first ep I put out. [01:14:22] Speaker B: Like, yeah, I want to. I want to run through some of my favorite because I've been. I've been on the Brian Fuller train since you damn, got here, dude. And you know that. [01:14:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:14:31] Speaker B: Like, I remember songs, like, buzzing, like, you. You put out before you got here. Myself was, like, right before you got here. Right. So the introduction to Brian Fuller, the. The Nashville recording artist, was somewhere in a small town. [01:14:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:49] Speaker B: Which I remember when that came out. Cause that comes out. That comes out right as the world's ending. That's March 20, 2020. That comes out. [01:14:56] Speaker A: We celebrated that song in my apartment because we couldn't, like, everything closed. We couldn't go anywhere. [01:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. And it's like. And look. Look at how different the guy is in that. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, dude. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Like, look at how different that kid is. [01:15:06] Speaker A: But see, the thing is, too, I didn't know who I was then. Like, I. Like, I grew up in a small town, and I did. I was telling a friend of mine then this yesterday. Like, I was the kind of kid that I grew up listening to rock music. And, like, my range of what I listened to was all over the place. Like, AC DC, green day, Eminem, 50 cent, like, Joe Satriani, which is a big guitar, clapped. And, like, it was kind of all over the place. And then I. I moved. My grandpa died, and I moved. I think he passed away when I was ten. And me and my mom had to move out of Richmond Hill to Effingham county to help support my grandma. And just kind of because we own, like, 16 acres and the grass had to be cut. [01:15:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:55] Speaker A: Like, the animals had to be kept up with, you know, the house needed to. She needed help because she was, like, grieving. And we moved out there, and I was surrounded. Excuse me. I was surrounded by a completely different group of guys. Like, Richmond Hill is like, you're on the coast. You're by the water. So those are guys that, you know, they're rocking the sperrys and, like, flip flops and. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Or this shit down. I'm a hey, dudes. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:24] Speaker B: I'm a hey, dudes guy now. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:25] Speaker B: We want one summer trip to Charleston. I ended up in hey, dudes, bro. [01:16:29] Speaker A: Dude, they're comfortable, man. [01:16:30] Speaker B: Like a frat boy. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, you're in a coastal town. [01:16:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:35] Speaker A: So the environment's a little bit different. The music's a little bit like, I was in a rock band when I was right, when I was 13. Like, and then I moved to Effingham county. In its country, like, there's nothing around. You get your fun off of riding dirt roads and drinking beer and, like. [01:16:49] Speaker B: You'Re living a Dylan Marlowe song. It's that living a Dylan Marlowe O'Reilly Green on bloodline. [01:16:54] Speaker A: Exactly like you're doing that. And those are, like, during the most impressionable years of my life, because I was 1314 or, you know, or he died when I was 1110 or eleven. And then I went to a private school for a year. That wasn't my thing. Talked to my parents and let me get out of that. And then went to a public school where everybody's wearing boots and shorts, dude. We literally used to take our hats and we wear boots and shorts. They're like Georgia boots and khaki shorts. And everybody wore hats to school, but you weren't allowed to wear them in the building. So we take our hats off and tuck the bill of our hat into our boot, and we'd walk around with, like, the flap of our hat hanging out of our boot. And then we get out of school, we rip our hat out of our boot and throw it on our head. And, like. So, like, I went from metal heads and, like, rock and roll music to shorts and boots at school every day. And, like, it made an impression on me. But I was also just trying to fit in because I was a new kid. Like, I didn't want to be different because I didn't want to stand out. I didn't, like, you don't want to be different when you're in high school because if you're different from everybody else, those are the kids that get picked on. And I was different, man. I've always just been. I've always felt different. Like, I've always felt. Not in a good or bad way, like, I've just always felt like I never really fit in with the people that I was going to school with. And, dude, I'll never forget my buddy, Kyle Ziegler. Shout out, dude, if you're here. This Kyle called me. And Kyle was, like, the cool kid in school. Like, kyle, his fan. His dad played for the Green Bay packers. [01:18:33] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:18:34] Speaker A: They had a huge 300 acre farm. Ponds to fish in, land to hunt on, four wheelers side by side. You name it, Kyle Ziegler had it. But Kyle called me one day and was like, hey, man, we're looking for somebody to come play guitar and sing on a flatbed trailer for this party that I'm throwing. And, like, Kyle Zeigler's parties were legendary. [01:18:54] Speaker B: Dude, it was a big deal. [01:18:55] Speaker A: Oh, it was a big deal. And I was gonna be the entertainment and I was pumped and that, like, that night, everybody started seeing me a little different. They're like, oh, that's the guy that plays music. He plays guitar. He sings. But you're growing up in a different environment than what I started out in. So I feel like my mind got mixed up a little bit. Like, I know country. Like, I grew up country. And then I got to Nashville and I'm like, man, but I still love, like, Jack Carlo. I still love green day. I still. I still love, like, I still love all these other. [01:19:30] Speaker B: And that's okay. [01:19:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that's okay. [01:19:32] Speaker B: And we love that you love limp biscuit. Cause that's butt rock. And we love our butt rock. Yeah, we got our. We got our family values. Torres. There we go. [01:19:40] Speaker A: Let's go, dude. [01:19:41] Speaker B: Our limp Bizkit patch right here, dude. [01:19:43] Speaker A: Like, you grow up. And then I. And then I'll creed. [01:19:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:19:48] Speaker A: Oh, dude. But you. So, like, when somewhere in a small town came out, I only know how to write country music. I've never tried to write anything other than country music. But I think after that song came out, my mind started drifting a little bit. And I was like, I still love John Mayer. I like Patrick Droni. I like some soulful stuff. So I started dabbling in that, and I feel like that next ep that we put out. [01:20:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:11] Speaker A: Was a little bit of that, which. [01:20:12] Speaker B: Was the self title. I think that was a true introduction and just. And this guy looks more like, this is who Brian Fuller. [01:20:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:19] Speaker B: Like, really is. [01:20:20] Speaker A: And still not even all the way there yet. [01:20:22] Speaker B: Like, yeah, cuz that's burn me out, my honey, which fucking love that song. Yeah, that is like, we. Funny. I was. I was. I had a long, long drive with. With Aaron, my girlfriend, at Charleston this past weekend. [01:20:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:34] Speaker B: And I was, like, showing her, like, I was like, these guys were like the revival kids, and I was playing her like old Joe Portner, old Ryan Nelson, like Jordan Fletcher, like that error. And then I'm like. But now it made me think, like, what was the sound of when I started doing my rounds? [01:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:49] Speaker B: Like, what was, like, the stuff coming from in the round and my. My honey is one of those songs I remember you playing. [01:20:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I used to play that song. [01:20:57] Speaker B: All that was. That was a. Brian, you're on a round. That was one of the ones like, fuck, yeah, brian's playing. [01:21:03] Speaker A: And I was proud of that song, too, because I wrote it by myself. So it was, like, one of the first songs that I wrote by myself that I was like, oh, this is actually really good. [01:21:09] Speaker B: Yep. And then cadillac cool Dive bar Darlin which, by the way, I saw Tyler last night. He played over at the basement east. His band now, bro, he's got electric in it. [01:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:19] Speaker B: And every song is like six or seven minutes, and the band just jams out, and you're. And there's a light showing. It's like, what is going on, dude. [01:21:27] Speaker A: Tyler Halverson is like, I love that dude. He's an anomaly, dude. He's just great. [01:21:32] Speaker B: And you guys met, and you guys, like, hit it off really well. [01:21:36] Speaker A: That was the first div. Bardon was the first song we wrote together. [01:21:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And that was back when Tyler was. He had. He had just kind of made that switch from being Tyler David to Tyler Howard and really starting to come into his own right as you were coming in to your own. [01:21:50] Speaker A: And, dude, I feel like even that ep is. It's still. It still wasn't. It's. It still wasn't fully me. And I feel like the stuff that I'm putting out now, two years later. [01:22:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:02] Speaker A: Is 100%. Like, I'm pumped about all of it, and I was pumped by that ep when it came out, but. And I think art, as an artist, you evolve nonstop. Like, you figure out new things that you like, and you just kind of add that stuff in. But, yeah, dude, I think that the stuff that I'm putting out now is, like, I'm proud to put my stamp on it. I'm proud. Hopefully we get to tour it a lot this year. Like, I'm really pumped. Yeah, that it's. And Joey has helped me find that a lot. Like, he's always been the guy that I would send him songs, and he'd be like, I like it, but I don't think it's you. I don't think that this is. And he would always say, correct me if I'm wrong, but, like, I don't think this is really you. [01:22:46] Speaker B: He's like, this is cool for you to have in the catalog as Brian Fuller, the writer. Yeah, Brian Fuller, exactly. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Exactly. And you need people like that, man. You need people to like your producer. Oh, yeah, dude. Like, if. I mean. And. And I think every good producer does it. Like, a lot of times, songs will get pitched to producers first before they even make it to the artist because the producer sometimes knows the artist maybe better than he knows himself. Like, I mean, you just really. It's easy to hear a good song and be like, oh, man, that's so good. I want to cut that. [01:23:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:26] Speaker A: But if it doesn't make sense, for you, as an artist, write another one. [01:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:31] Speaker A: Like, write something that makes more sense and, yeah, dude, it's. It's important to have those people around. That helps steer the ship a little bit. [01:23:40] Speaker B: Yeah. So, what do we got for the rest of this year? We're getting into the summer now. [01:23:43] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. So that girl can drive just came out. We've got one called someone else's summer that drops. It'll be in June. I'm not 100% sure on the day yet, but. And then we've got one more single after that, and then a five or six song ep. I'm still like, we've got. We've got the five that we want to cut, but something in me really wants to cut a 6th one, but the last two are gonna be cool, man. I can't. I don't want to speak too soon before they come out, but I've got possibly a really cool feature on one of them. [01:24:17] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [01:24:19] Speaker A: And it is a girl feature, and she's a big up and comer right now, and she's crushing it. And we're kind of tossing back the idea right now, but may or may not be. It may or may not work out, but if it does, it's going to be a really, really cool collaboration. [01:24:35] Speaker B: It's exciting. Then what do we got as far as touring the rest of the year? [01:24:38] Speaker A: So it's kind of. It's few and far between, but we got some CMA stuff coming up. [01:24:44] Speaker B: That's literally where you're at in your career, though, brother. [01:24:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And we're just taking, like, right now, we're taking a lot of meetings with agent season. Yeah. Like, we're playing if you're. If you're free to work, we're playing this afternoon at the. Which I know by the time this podcast comes out, obviously, I've already done it, but this afternoon, we're playing at the Opry Plaza right out front on the. On the Grand Ole Opry steps, which is, like, it's not in the Opry, but, like, it's still pretty cool. [01:25:11] Speaker B: It's cool. [01:25:12] Speaker A: Yeah. So we're playing an hour set this afternoon. It's a little summer concert series that Ward puts on, and then we're playing in Kentucky on. In June. [01:25:21] Speaker B: Yeah. You're doing the thing up at PBR. [01:25:23] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, I can't wait, man. It's gonna be a really good time. Ward, he words. Ward's like. I mean, he helps everybody out. [01:25:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:32] Speaker A: If he believes in you, you're set. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. [01:25:36] Speaker A: So we got that going on. And then we've got some stuff later on in the year, and hopefully with some of these meetings we're taking, we'll. We'll start picking up some tours, and I can tour this ep and. [01:25:47] Speaker B: Yeah, what is this broadcast channel? Cool. One last thing. This cool kids table. [01:25:51] Speaker A: So. [01:25:52] Speaker B: What a name. [01:25:53] Speaker A: I know, dude. So, yeah, it's kind of like I. When I made that lands out. Yeah, like, people. People have broadcast channels on their own, their instagrams, and, like, I just saw a couple of my buddies had some, and I was just trying to come up with a cool name. And, like I was saying a minute ago, like, I just always kind of felt like I was a little bit different growing up and in high school and stuff. And I never sat at the cool kids table, quote unquote. So, I mean, dude, that's just for the misfits, man. That's just for the people that like. Yeah, it's cool kids table, man. [01:26:25] Speaker B: Like, yeah, I'm joining it right now. [01:26:27] Speaker A: Do it, man. [01:26:28] Speaker B: I've officially got a seat at the cool kids table, dude. [01:26:30] Speaker A: And see, that's the thing, man. Like, it just feels cool to say, like, I'm sitting in the cool kids table. [01:26:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:26:37] Speaker A: But, yeah, dude, it's life's good, man. And after, I feel like we could talk about so much. So much more stuff, dude. [01:26:44] Speaker B: We could. We could. We could rip. Yeah, dude, it goes on and on and on. Well, bro, I'm excited for you. [01:26:51] Speaker A: Thank you, man. [01:26:51] Speaker B: It's really cool to finally get to do this again after four years. Yeah, four fucking years. And a lot's changed for both of us. [01:26:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:26:58] Speaker B: I went from being in that little, what should have been a garage and was, like, an extra room in that house in Laverne to bouncing around studios. And now we've got, like, our cemented home for the rage Rowdy podcast network, which is great. Yeah, dude, it's. [01:27:13] Speaker A: It's been seriously awesome. [01:27:14] Speaker B: And now we're doing ten to 15 events a month in town. We're gonna be, I think, knocking that down, hopefully. I think our magic number is, like, eight to ten. Yeah, the twelve to 15 gets to be a little much. You're out every night. And then we got all of our festivals coming up, too, which, dude, by. [01:27:29] Speaker A: The way, outside the rounds. So there's only a few writers rounds that I'll play now. Not because, like, you just kind of get burned out of them a little bit. Like, it's. It's a lot more fun to play with your friends. [01:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:43] Speaker A: And some of them are. Some, like, you know how to put a good round together because you'll put together people that are rolling in the same crews and like, which is really smart because those people get on stage and they bounce off of each other. The camaraderie is good. [01:27:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:56] Speaker A: Conversations are good. People are cracking jokes like, yeah, it's fun to sit up there and play. And outside the round, round. And I mean, it's one of the few in town that I appreciate. Yeah, dude, anytime you ask me, I'm down to play. [01:28:10] Speaker B: That means a lot, dude. That means a lot. And, yeah, and then next week we're. I'm going to Clinton, Iowa, and I'm going to be emceeing tailgate and tall boys. [01:28:21] Speaker A: What is that? [01:28:21] Speaker B: That is a big festival. It's got shine down, jelly roll and Bailey as the headliners. Josh Ross, Nate Smith, Lakeview. Like all that. There's a bunch of people. [01:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So you're getting on stage? [01:28:31] Speaker B: I'm on stage. That's in between sets. [01:28:35] Speaker A: That's sick. [01:28:36] Speaker B: Yes. [01:28:36] Speaker A: They have no idea what they just got themselves into. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah, they had, they had Chelsea Lynn, who's like trailer park Tammy last year doing crazy shit. So it's like, oh, you a little. [01:28:45] Speaker A: Bit got your match made. [01:28:47] Speaker B: They gave me. They gave us a t shirt cannon. Some fucking. Or we're gonna have the girls shooting t shirts into the crash. It's gonna be nice. [01:28:54] Speaker A: That's gonna. I want a t shirt cannon, man. I want a confetti. Confetti cannon. Have you seen those? [01:28:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. [01:29:00] Speaker A: Dylan, I can't remember if he got one or not, but he. They were talking about getting one at the then Dagon. What's that venue in town right across from the end? It's like a world famous. Oh, exit in exiting. Yeah, yeah. Dylan recently played there and he was like, dude, we got. I don't. Did you go to that show? [01:29:19] Speaker B: No. [01:29:19] Speaker A: They had confetti Canyon cannons and it was like Tyler Chambers and I think he had everybody that was out on that headlining tour that Dylan did out to play. And I unfortunately was on the road with Randall that weekend. But I saw pictures and I was like, man, I want a confetti cannon. [01:29:36] Speaker B: Yeah. When we, when we did the Kid rock tour with Trey, he would shoot off. Bob would shoot confetti from the fucking sky thought would fall down. [01:29:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:45] Speaker B: During born free, it'd be red, white, blue. Like kid rock shows were wild. And then Trey Lewis has a. Had a money. Had a money gun for a little bit. Yeah. [01:29:53] Speaker A: That song was. It was a real money. [01:29:58] Speaker B: I think we. I think they made, like, some Trey bucks or something, so it's, like, funny. [01:30:03] Speaker A: That's funny. That's good marketing. [01:30:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was fun stuff, man. But work people go to find you on everything. [01:30:09] Speaker A: Brian fuller music. Dude, I made it easy. Just Instagram, Facebook, it's all Brian Fuller music. And we're working on getting the website built back up. Like, I'm kind of just taking it a day at a time and building the team. [01:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:24] Speaker A: For. [01:30:24] Speaker B: Because what do you have right now, as far as the team? You have your publisher? [01:30:27] Speaker A: Publisher. I got my producer. We're shopping around for management, and that's kind of it, dude. Like, we're working on an agency right now. We've got. We've been talking to a couple different agencies for booking. So I've got the publisher. I've got my producer locked in. [01:30:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:45] Speaker A: And obviously, like, just the. I mean, do my people, like, my band? Like, I use the same guys, and they've been playing. We've got one new guy that has just recently kind of started playing for us, but he's been with us for probably six months now. [01:31:02] Speaker B: Awesome. [01:31:03] Speaker A: So. And, dude, that's the fun thing about playing shows with people that you're with all of the time. Like, it's hard. It sucks starting out having to relearn new people when doing rehearsals all the time. Like, we did rehearsals yesterday for the show tonight, and it was, like, we had some new songs in the set, so I gave us a little bit extra time, but by the time it was over, like, man, we only ran through all the songs, like, once or twice, and it was, like. Feels good. [01:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:32] Speaker A: Like, we're locked in. We're ready to go, so. And that's another thing, too, that, like, the best piece of advice I could give anybody, dude, is just fine. Your people? [01:31:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:31:41] Speaker A: Not quickly. [01:31:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:43] Speaker A: But as quickly as possible and hold on to them. [01:31:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:46] Speaker A: And they'll come and go. Like, I mean, there's definitely been people in my career and in my life that same dude. [01:31:51] Speaker B: I feel like I've cycled through three or four. Yeah, three or four rotations of that in my six years in town. [01:31:56] Speaker A: And it sucks, too, because you, like. You become friends with those people, and, like, it's hard to separate business from. From pleasure, and because they're people that you're gonna have around for a long time, and, like, you want to get to know them. You want to, you know, be close with them. So it can be a tough break sometimes. But if you're able to find people that will stick around for the long haul that invest in you, and you can pour back into them and invest in them where they need it, like, that's so valuable, man. [01:32:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, really is. [01:32:26] Speaker A: It's a big world. You might as well surround yourself with the good folks. [01:32:29] Speaker B: Absolutely, man. Well, I'm happy to be surrounded by good faith. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:32:33] Speaker B: Y'all be sure to check out our boy Brian Fuller. That girl can drive is out now. A bunch of other great tunes. And you all be sure to be on the lookout as shows come in because I have a few calendar. It's gonna get filled up. [01:32:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:32:47] Speaker B: That's the weird part about where you're at right now. You don't know. You don't have somebody out there making the calls for it. But you, dude, you've got great people around you, and Sky's the limit. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Slowly but surely, man. [01:32:57] Speaker B: Hell yeah, dude. [01:32:58] Speaker A: Surely. [01:32:59] Speaker B: Well, y'all be sure to visit razerai.com for more on us. We got the new golf hats in that we're excited about. And be on the lookout for us at all the festivals this summer and all the events that we've got going on. And of course, like rate subscribe. Tell your mama and them my boy, Brian Fuller. I'm Matt Barrel. This has been outside the rack. [01:33:20] Speaker A: I never been to con for stair. [01:33:23] Speaker B: Walks for too long. [01:33:27] Speaker A: I ain't never been the best at sin I love you to a girl. [01:33:32] Speaker B: I love only got a couple tricks. [01:33:34] Speaker A: On my sleeve they usually just make. [01:33:37] Speaker B: Them leave so if you know me, if you really know me, you know. [01:33:43] Speaker A: I'm just a two trick pony. [01:33:45] Speaker B: But maybe the drinking and the lack. [01:33:48] Speaker A: Of money for show, I'm just a. [01:33:51] Speaker B: Two trick on it. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Hey, yeah.