Redferrin: Motocross to Music, 'Old No. 7' & Blending Genres

[00:00:12] Speaker A: Come on. This is outside the round with Matt Barrill for Razor alley podcast to my man, Red, Mister Red Ferrin. [00:00:24] Speaker B: What's going on, brother? [00:00:24] Speaker A: How's your Monday going? [00:00:26] Speaker B: Monday's been good. I tore my shoulder up last weekend. [00:00:30] Speaker A: The hell you do to tear up your shoulder? [00:00:32] Speaker B: I just been working out a little bit, and honestly, I didn't do it working out. But afterwards, I was just kind of throwing my shirt back, and my shoulder popped out. So I don't know. I'm feeling like I'm getting old. This must be all the motocross, probably. [00:00:44] Speaker A: How old are you? [00:00:45] Speaker B: 31. [00:00:45] Speaker A: 31, okay, so that's not too old. That's not too bad for a man. In all 31 years, been living here in middle Tennessee on and off. [00:00:55] Speaker B: I mean, it's always been home, but I've spent some time other places, for sure. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Like where? [00:01:01] Speaker B: Well, I work for a motocross magazine in Kansas City, so I lived in Kansas on and off for three years, and then spent some time in Minnesota, spent some time in Kentucky. Kind of just wherever the dreams took me. Wherever I had opportunity, honestly. [00:01:15] Speaker A: That's cool. What is? So, motocross magazine, were you, like, a writer? Were you doing photos? Were you doing video? [00:01:20] Speaker B: It started off as a photographer, and then they learned I could write a. So then that turned into me doing interviews and writing articles, and. [00:01:27] Speaker A: That's sick. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Ended up being editor there for two years, which was crazy, dude. [00:01:31] Speaker A: That's kind of my background, too. I. I started out in this whole. This. I get to work in country music, which is really cool because I'm not a songwriter. I'm not a singer. Can't play a lick on guitar. I just say I like to listen to it and talk about it. But I used to. I had a sports blog growing up where I was just blogging about baseball, college football. Like, I would imagine that's how you got into the motocross stuff, just taking photos and kind of traveling around, getting to know folks. Right. [00:01:57] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I grew up racing. That was actually, like, I figured out pretty quick that if I was there working, I could make enough to pay to race, too. So I was double dipping everywhere we went, you know? But it really helped me with my storytelling, because, you know, you're writing about so and so won the race. That's pretty much it. Like, you got to get real creative to make that not sound repetitive every month when you're writing the same story over and over. So, it got me ready for songwriting, because that's pretty much what it is, is just you know, is it like, folks in the wheel? [00:02:30] Speaker A: Is it, like, writing people's, like, backstories? So, like, you're talking about there's more to this guy than him just going really fast on this bike. [00:02:37] Speaker B: That was what was cool to me at first. It started off just race reports, just strictly stats, and then after a year or so, I got to interview guys, and, you know, you start seeing them at the races every week, so you get to know them actually, and then you. When you get to tell their story or you get a picture of them and their family freaking out because they won or something, that was always really cool to me to, like, capture those moments and give people their real shine, because motocross is, like, gritty as it is. It kind of got, like, you know, it got a little suit ii and a little corporate, and people couldn't show any personality for a while. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Everything does, bro, and it fucks with stuff. Now, NASCAR was like that, too, for a while. [00:03:15] Speaker B: I know, man. So that was cool to kind of, like, you know, it wasn't, like, anti establishment or nothing. It was just cool to be able to tell people's story and let them get their true shine and help them build some fans and followers because people could relate to them as more than just a fast rider. [00:03:30] Speaker A: So, how does that lead into you getting into country music? [00:03:34] Speaker B: Like, crazy way, honestly, I mean, I've told it a bunch of times, but it's still crazy to me every time. So, Tyler Hubbard bought a farm in my hometown, built a dirt bike track. [00:03:46] Speaker A: There, which is where? [00:03:48] Speaker B: White House, Tennessee. [00:03:49] Speaker A: It's like, white House cottontown. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:52] Speaker A: Because that's where my friends live now. Chad and Reba Ray, my good friend. Shout out, Chad and Reba. I'm actually going over there for 4 July in a couple days. It's cool because, like, that's where, like, the upstairs room had, like, the bunk. Like, it looked like they got. [00:04:07] Speaker B: They bought that farm. [00:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah, like that. Let's go. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Is the track still there? I forget what you said. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah, they still have it. I've been out there. They have two little. They have two little boys, and they'll ride the side by side out there with their little four year old and three year old, and they'll take them up and over. [00:04:22] Speaker B: I would love to go ride that place again. That's the first year I went pro. He built that track, and that was such a big thing for me because at the time, I just did music as a hobby, and it was just something like, we would ride all day or work all day and then work on bikes at night. And while we was working, we would just freestyle and pick on guitars and stuff. But it was just a. Just something to pass time, you know, none of us ever thought that we could do it as a real job. And then fast forward, you know, about six months into being friends with him, he heard that I rapped, and I was trying to write little country songs and stuff, so everybody was real surprised. But he just encouraged me a lot, told me to send him stuff. And after, you know, about a year of that, him and Brian signed me to tree vibes and that kind of, you know, I thought if you were in a band, like, I figured out Dean just met all his bandmates in Georgia and brought them up here once they got on, you know, which some. [00:05:16] Speaker A: Guys are like that, for sure. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Not always, but I didn't know there was thousands of players and writers and producers 45 minutes south. So I just. I was like, well, that's too big of a dream for White House, you know? And then he was like, no, man, people do this every day 45 minutes south. [00:05:34] Speaker A: So. [00:05:34] Speaker B: So that was really cool for him to open my eyes to that. Cause otherwise I'd probably still be trying to ride dirt bikes and doing construction, which. Those were the good old days. I mean, I love what we do now, but that was fun. Cause we didn't know where we was going or how the next race or the next day was gonna get paid for. We was just kind of winging it, and it was stressful, but it was a lot of fun. [00:05:56] Speaker A: That's awesome, man. Cause I was gonna ask, like, being a robertson, some nerd, like, being a nash. Like, you're a Nashville native, but you're a middle Tennessean. There's a difference between, like, a Nashville native and a middle Tennessean, I'd say. [00:06:09] Speaker B: So, yeah, I grew up a little slower until I was five. We lived Nashville, old hickory, like, kind of out this way, and just, you know, my sister was, like, ten years older than me, so she was 1516 growing up here. And my parents just wanted us to grow up a little slower, so they took us up there. And I think that was good for me, probably because I got to come down here and get it in doses. You know, we go to a concert or we go to a sounds game, but other than that, it was just a little too far to ever come and, like, try to do anything wild. So it was just a whole nother world to me when I come down here. [00:06:42] Speaker A: Yeah, your bar was white House pizza pub. [00:06:44] Speaker B: We didn't even have that then. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Oh, really? What was old school white House like? [00:06:49] Speaker B: I mean, we had what was long 31 was two mexican restaurants, three barbecue places. Not even a Walmart till, like, about time I graduated, you know? So, like, it was pretty slow there for a long time. It was cool. I miss. I miss old White House. It's. They growing up a little bit. They got a tractor supply. They got a million coffee shops and pizza pub. And you're just like, well, I mean, it's even cool. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Portland's even grown up, and that's good. Like, every little town up there is like. It's crazy. [00:07:20] Speaker B: It's weird to me, you know, I feel like every time I go back, there's something new. But if you go far enough out, it still looks like it used to. So it's still home, you know, still where my sister, my dad, and everybody live. So I go back up there as much as I'm home is. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Do you guys have a landscaping business, by chance? No, I saw a red ferrin landscaping truck or, like, a red signed up there. [00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe Redfern or something. [00:07:45] Speaker A: What said red? It said, like, it was spelled just like your last name. [00:07:48] Speaker B: That's crazy. I gotta check into it. I don't bless. My dad's been cutting grass on the low. I don't know. [00:07:55] Speaker A: So what were the old school, like, tree vibes days like? Because that was kind of revolutionary times with the sound of country music changing what Tyler and BK were doing. And they were one of the first, like, crews to bring the writers out in a bus. And you guys getting to explore the world without playing shows, but just getting to be a part of that rocket. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Ship, it was awesome. [00:08:17] Speaker A: As a songwriter, usually writers just go in the 16th ave, write songs about somebody's farm, write songs. They don't get to experience the touring, go see all these places, get to watch the show and see the songs that they're creating. But by being a tree, like, you guys were. Hands were knee deep with all of that touring and stuff. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it was huge for me. I mean, it definitely transformed the way I wrote songs and look at songs. You know, the first run, it was them, dan and Shaydeh, Morgan Russell Dickerson or something. And they was just changing people out all the time. But you got to watch every person set, see the songs people sang, dance to, see the songs people go buy beer to, and then you figure out, well, we need to write more of those. Less of those. And, man, it was just so cool. Like you said, you know, that was. That was early on all of our careers. I mean, me and earn were still trying to rap, and, dude, you know, hardy Washington, none of us had any hits yet. We were just out there learning and kind of all in rooms we didn't belong in. But they gave it. They gave so many people a shot to come and soak that up and see them at their, like, the height of everything. And it just set a good bar for me because I got to see them, you know, they weren't partying all the time. We was getting loose, you know, but we'd wake up and work out. We'd write songs every day. Like, it really gave me a good template for what it should look like if you want to be that successful. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, it's business. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's business. At the end of the day, you know, I remember one thing Tyler told me. He said, just because it's the weekend and everybody out there is drinking, like, we're working. Like, this is their vacation we're on. We'll hang out when everybody else is working. So that was cool for me to just get that mind state of, like, take it super serious and realize those folks out there, that might be the one cool thing they get to do all year, and then they work the rest of the year. So just take it serious and hang it out when you out there, you know? [00:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, 100%. See, I got to do some touring. I got to do. I got to be a tour manager. I got to be a slinging merch and driving around in the van and slinging merch in the clubs and the bars and going all around. And now we just kind of go out to festivals and with. That's how you and I kind of first met. I believe we had met at Red Door one without singing around, for sure. I was going to say good old. The good old. The good old door. That's reduced Red's door. There you go. [00:10:42] Speaker B: What was your favorite part when you was on that side of it, would you say? [00:10:45] Speaker A: I mean, I. I enjoyed, like, getting. The traveling was really cool. Cause at the time, I was just a single dude, 24, 25. Like, it was fun. And then the most touring that I got to do was, I'm really good buddies with Trey Lewis, and I ended up being his tour manager during all the dick down in Dallas shit. And we were the only people touring during COVID Cuz can't really cancel the dick down in Dallas guy. We were just going out to Texas. We were going to Texas and Florida and Alabama, like, every weekend. And it was just chaos during COVID but we were. We were. We were ten deep in a 43 50, and I was driving that sucker with the trailer, and just the chaos of that. It was. It was fun, man, you know? [00:11:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it was pretty. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Now. Now we go out to. Now we go out to festivals, and that's kind of how you and I got to know each other a little bit, was good old tailgate and tall boys, bro. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Shout out. Tailgate. Tall boys. That was probably the biggest one I've done, maybe, period. That was cool. [00:11:39] Speaker A: They're wild out there. I was a different breed. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I like the midwest, so I got a thing for it for some reason. [00:11:46] Speaker A: Yeah, they. [00:11:47] Speaker B: It's country as hell, for the most part. [00:11:49] Speaker A: It's country as hell, and it's. It's good. People out there, like, they're. They're. They're a lot of fun. They buy the merch. The hospitality out there was cool, too, where they had that pool. They had that pool in the back, and they. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they went all out for that one. That was cool. I hope I get to come back. They was really kind to us. And like I said, the fans there was dope, too. I don't know. I didn't really know how much people up that way. It hurt any of the tunes, so it was cool. [00:12:15] Speaker A: Jack and Diet Coke, man. You have. You have a hit now, bro, that you're singing on. You're not just writing them anymore. [00:12:21] Speaker B: That was. That's special, man. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Yeah. What's that feel like to have a song that people are singing back to you, man? [00:12:27] Speaker B: Super validating. I think traditionally, you know, when you're trying to get cuts, people want to cut the best songs. They don't want the b songs, or they don't want the down the middle ones. They want the shit with heart on it, or. That is. Sounds the best. So I felt like sometimes I would keep songs for myself that I really love, but it maybe wasn't. The a plus was just, like, something that I connected to. So to finally put one out and. And it connect with my name on it, I mean, it's. It's cool. And it's me and my buddies that wrote it. It ain't big Nashville names yet, so it's. It's just cool to. Man, like I said, I put a lot of them out that I believed in, but they just never caught or the algorithm didn't catch them or whatever that, you know, Covid slowed us down. There's just a million things, but it felt really good to just a year later, you know, see it going off the way it is and see people singing one back to you. Most of the time, it feels really good. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. And like you said, that doesn't have, like, the big Nashville names, but when you were starting out, riding around in a damn bus, enjoying God's green earth, hanging out with, at the time, Michael Hardy and Ernest K, guys that weren't household Nashville names that t Hob and Bk were bringing along. And that's what you get to do now, working with people that aren't necessarily the big Nashville names coming out, and you get to create with them and be like, hey, man, come out and check this. Let's get us. Let's get a song. You never know what's gonna stick, but the melody of that, bro. And I remember the content for that, bro. You couldn't scroll down Instagram and not see that. Not see that video you sing, man. You got a good team. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Well, honestly, I didn't know what I was doing with it. I'd posted a bunch on all the other songs and they just get a couple hundred views. And then one day I posted that one, and I woke up the next morning, it had, like, quarter million, and. And I had a friend say he saw a video that on tick tock that said, like, how to get a thousand followers in two weeks post every day. And I was like, well, that's sure easy. Let's try. And then I posted every day for two weeks, and they just kept. They kept performing really well, like the first one. So then I was like, the song wasn't ready to come out. It was kind of like, Warner told me, I need to start a fire because everything was just kind of semi reacting, you know? So we had to get that shit ready. We had to go through the whole process of the. You know, the label has a way they do stuff. They can't just roll one out real quick unless you got the power, you know, unless you can make them. So it took a long time to get that one ready, so I just felt like I had to keep teasing it and teasing it to keep the steam rolling, and then by the time it come out, it. It just went off for me. Thankfully. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Crazy, man. It didn't feel no different than any of the other ones. You know, we was just having fun that day. [00:15:13] Speaker A: And that's the crazy part. You never know. [00:15:16] Speaker B: It wasn't too long after my tree vibes deal ended because, you know, when the boys broke up, that dissolved. And I think once I wasn't trying to write songs for other people. And I wasn't so worried about getting a reaction. The songs just got quite a bit better. [00:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Just maybe just more hard on them and less over thought. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Yeah. When did. When does the idea of Red Ferrin, the artist, start for you? Because you didn't. You weren't even sold on. You had done, like you said, the rapping thing, but you weren't even sold on, like, being a songwriter. And then I. You get this opportunity to do that. When does it become. I want to be the guy on that stage. I want to have this music out. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Well, originally, I didn't. Like I said, I didn't really know songwriting was a business. I thought you could, like, be a ghostwriter and sell the song to somebody. That's how I thought it worked. [00:16:00] Speaker A: So imagine it worked like that. [00:16:02] Speaker B: That would be crazy. We'd all probably be a little more paid, but, you know, once a. Once I got into that, I was just content to be a part of music at all. Just for that to be my job and pay my bills, just to write songs felt like such a blessing. So I wasn't too picky or stuck to, like, I gotta be the one singing them. Like I said, I was just thankful to be a part of it. And then, you know, about a year or two later, I had a couple hundred songs built up, and Tyler and Brian was like, man, no matter what, you'll never get all of these cut. And something they made me do early on to learn how to sing better was even if it was their song, I had to sing a version of the demo, too. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:16:42] Speaker B: And it just taught me how to sing. And then we had a fat pile of songs, and they're like, man, these are kind of cool. Maybe you should cut some. And they opened round here, and then they approached Warner, and that just kind of. Kind of brought the idea back up, you know, something always wanted to do, but I just tabled it because I just wanted to be in there any way I could on any side of it. So I think it was a dream that kind of went away. And then once it come back, I was all in on it. So here we are. I ain't pitched no songs in a year or two. I've just been writing for me and just seeing what happens. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Mandy, what was your rapper name? [00:17:17] Speaker B: Was it red fan? It was Young Lincoln. [00:17:19] Speaker A: Young Lincoln, yeah. And was that like Lincoln, like the car? [00:17:23] Speaker B: Like the president. [00:17:24] Speaker A: Oh, like the president, yeah. [00:17:25] Speaker B: I did press releases for these rappers, and they would always call me Honest Abe. They'd be like, man, that shit. You writes the truth, man. And I was just so tired of being called honest Abe. One day we was smoking, I was like, just call me Young Lincoln. Call me anything but Abe. And then, of course, that shit stuck, and I had to hear that for a couple years straight, you know? But is better than Abe. Better than honest Abe. So I was like, shit, let's roll with it. [00:17:48] Speaker A: Young Lincoln. And did you know earn and, like, jelly? Like, were you kind of in that Nashville, like, rap community? [00:17:54] Speaker B: So earn was snow at the time? [00:17:56] Speaker A: Yep. [00:17:56] Speaker B: As before. Ernest K. Yeah. And, yeah, we was just trying to do anything we could. You know, we all love country music, but I think it just seemed like a reach. It seemed a lot easier to get some beats and record yourself. And back then, there wasn't any kind of country beats. There wasn't no kind of guitar beats. So you were just super limited, like, trying to find something. The closest would be, like, some California surfer feeling stuff, you know? So it was just singing on anything you could at the time. [00:18:24] Speaker A: That's cool. Yeah, that's really cool, dude. I bet a lot of people don't. Don't know, like, the rap. Like, did you. Did you ever, like, do. Was there, like a. Like, a Nashville, like, battle rap scene or, like, what is the rap scene? [00:18:36] Speaker B: I don't like, there was. I don't think there was ever anything like that. I wasn't hip to it anyways. But there was a lot of really awesome producers and a lot of people from Clarksville and Dixon and, like, surrounding places, Antioch, wherever they would all come. And it was a cool culture for a while. There used to be a lot more clubs that played hip hop music, and. [00:18:55] Speaker A: So do you know Cliffy D? [00:18:56] Speaker B: I don't know if I do. [00:18:57] Speaker A: It sounds familiar because he's out. He's out of Lebanon. [00:19:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Originally from Murfreesboro, but, like, Henderson. He lives in Murfreesboro now, but, like, Hendersonville, like, he does a lot of, like, the djing stuff for. Yeah, he used to work with up church and with jelly and, like, in that world. So people, I think, forget that there is that culture that's in the south in general, you know, for sure. Like, every. Every town in the. Every city in the south kind of has their little rap scene. Even the country music mecca, like Nashville. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, even where I'm from, you know, Cottontown's country as hell, but, like, we all had ipods and, like, everybody had lime wire and stuff. So, dude, so you. So you had access to everything from Metallica to little Wayne. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:40] Speaker B: So, like that. I think that's part of the reason why our generation or whatever, blend stuff a little more just because we had a lot more at our fingertips. You didn't have to go to the record shop and buy the cd that you knew you liked or the album you knew you liked. You could just get everything. You could stream it or whatever, download it. So it was just so much more accessible. We listened to it all, so it didn't really feel too weird to me, you know, because we was country, but we still related to it. Especially, like, I think good rap and good country was just good storytelling. That's what always drew me to it, so. [00:20:15] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Absolutely. Man, that's dope. That's really cool. How come. How do you deal with a lot of. Have you had to deal with, like, a lot of people saying, like, man, that ain't country in the past? [00:20:26] Speaker B: Yeah, a little less now, but, yeah, especially, like, three years ago. But it's like everybody wasn't putting trap hats and 808s on stuff, but it's. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Like, hey, listen to you talk. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Well, they're like. They're like, that's a fake draw on that song. You don't really sing that way. Like, brother, I've always talked this way. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:45] Speaker B: When I first started recording with. With Crowder, him and Tyler would make me do, like, 50 takes. They'd be like, you can't say air. You got to say hour. Nobody knows what an hour is. I said, you say our. Yeah, but when we sing, we say our. And I'm like, I don't. So I fought that for a while because it was just like, a little too straight, a little too white bread for me. It was just, I don't talk that way. So if I sing that fake, like, clean stuff and then people hear me talk, they probably wonder why you don't sing country like you talk. So, you know, some of it's a little slang sounding, but that's really just the way I talk. [00:21:20] Speaker A: What's some good. I'm from New York. As you can probably hear from my voice, I'm starting to get more of a southern. I've been here for coming up on six years now, so it's starting to, like, I use the word fixing today. My girlfriend was like, see, you're getting it, like, country. What's some, like, country. Country slang that you try to mix in there? [00:21:38] Speaker B: Oh, country slang. I mean, I say, I reckon a lot. Mike could. Mike Wood. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Mike could. [00:21:45] Speaker B: I say maybe too, but Mike could's a good one. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:48] Speaker B: I'm trying to think of what all they grill me about, man. I got plenty of good ones. I'll have to think on that. Ask anybody that knows me, though. I'm full of them. They just leak out. They're like, what the hell did you just say? Like, man, my mom's been saying that forever. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Mom and them. That's another one. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah, mom and them. [00:22:04] Speaker A: Tell your mama and them. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks. See, they just come out accidentally. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Yeah. That's awesome, man. [00:22:10] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:22:11] Speaker A: How's this ep been treating you, man? [00:22:13] Speaker B: The response has been great. We wrote old number seven pretty quick right after Jack and Diet Coke. I kind of just got on a vibe, and I just chased it real hard, and it's awesome. I mean, there's been three of the seven go viral, and it's. It seems like people are starting to know them pretty good at the shows. They're a little louder every time, and, man, it's been special. You know, I've always wanted to do a project, but I kind of, at first, just got stuck to singles, and because I got such a range of sounds and ways I tell stories, I feel like it makes. It helps paint my picture a little better to have a body of work. So that's. I'm super thankful. And it was cool the way Jack Daniels leaned in and they let us do the videos there and do the COVID there and call it old number seven. I mean, it was really special. [00:23:00] Speaker A: What is that place? [00:23:01] Speaker B: Like, heaven on earth? Yeah, it's one of the most peaceful places. I don't know what it is about it, man, but everybody there is really country, and they still say ma'am and sir, and they all work their ass off and get up early, and it feels like home. [00:23:18] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cool. We got to spend about a week there writing songs and learning about the whiskey and drinking every different kind, and that was transformative for me. I've always drank Jack and was a fan because it was from here, but when you see what goes into it and how much everybody cares and how much they care about everybody there, it's just I was really bought in a whole lot more once I got to go see that side of it. [00:23:43] Speaker A: That's cool. [00:23:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been awesome. Shout out Uncle Jack. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Uncle Jack. See, I remember I've seen a lot of, like, the little Jack Daniel statues, like the old confederate, like, soldiers or whatever. I remember Riley Green used to bring one on stage when he would sing Berry. Me and Dixie used to make sure it was on stage. Be like I was Robert E. Like, you would say all that shit, but, yeah, the jack branding and stuff. And. Because you grew up right near the Kentucky line, too, so it's like the Kentucky bourbon lines right there, too. Yeah, but you identify more with the Tennessee whiskey. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah, just a tad more. I know it's all pretty much the same, but it's just a tad different. I don't know what it is about how they do it, but. And I've never been able to drink much bourbon, but I drink the hell out of Jack, so I don't know what it is. [00:24:27] Speaker A: Funny. Funny how that works, isn't it? [00:24:29] Speaker B: Yeah. It might just be because it's what you used to or whatever, you know, but there's the pinstripes on it. Everything about it just always look like me. It was always pretty tough, so that's. Yeah, that might be what got me. I don't know. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Yeah. What's something that people might not know about you, man? [00:24:42] Speaker B: Something that people might not know about me? That is a great question, because he. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Seemed like a man of all kinds. Like, there's all, like, you're. Like you said, like, just, like, your music styles are kind of all. All over the place where you've been bending genres, like, your whole life, and you have this story of doing this dirt bike thing and then meeting Tyler through that, and then it all kind of leads, like, man, a mystery. [00:25:05] Speaker B: One thing a lot of people laugh about is, like, we'll go by a construction site, and they'll be doing concrete, and I'm like, damn, I did that for two years, and then we'll pass another, you know, oh, well, I run a dozer for a year and a half. Oh, well, I did that. And it's. There ain't many labor jobs I ain't done. They were always lenient on the schedule, and they always paid cash. And, you know, your check was coming Friday, and it just. It helped me race, you know, it helped me chase my dreams. I did construction when I first moved to Nashville, too, so they. They were cool with me having to miss days to go to a ride or something. So, yeah, that's one thing everybody really cracks up on, is just how many lives I've lived. Because everybody knows about the. The dirt bikes and the music, but they don't know about the grass cutting and the bush hogging and the dozing and. And the landscaping and every different. All the side land. I've done every damn thing about you can do. You know, I was a stage hand for a couple months when I moved, which that was cool. My first gig was for Leonard Skynyrd and I was just a local hand at Bridgestone but them boys come in there with like five or six Cubans on and so many necklaces and they look like wrappers. And I was like, you know, there's people telling me at the time, you can't dress like that. People won't take you serious. And I was like, Leonard fucking Skynyrd has five Cubans on, five white gold Cubans. Every like all of them, man. At least, at least three of the boys walked in shining and I was like, well that's cool. [00:26:29] Speaker A: And these are, these are dudes in their sixties and seventies. Yeah. [00:26:32] Speaker B: And they're legends and nobody would ever say they're not country. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:35] Speaker B: So it just, it gave me a little like, oh, you can be yourself in this. This is cool. Yeah, you just gotta really own whatever you are. Cuz I'm sure they've been like that as long as they could, you know. So that was kind of cool to me, but yeah, that's sick. Blue collar as hell. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Favorite skinnered song. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Oh shit. Come back to that in a minute. We'll come back. Cuz I ain't gonna give you a stock when I got, try to think of a deep cut. Yeah, yeah, let me think on that. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I've seen, I got, I've gotten to see them a few times in my life because up in, when I was up living up north there was like, there were these interesting like southern rock barbecue festivals and I'd be the youngest guy, it was called rock ribs and ridges and I was the youngest guy by about 30, 40 years. So it'd be me and like two of my buddies. And then I had a college radio show that we used to do stuff with them and then I'd be hanging out with all these old heads and like you'd be smoking, it's cool to be around, dude, you'd be smoking weed with some guy named John, named Hippie John who was riding around in a wheelchair and he had, he was the dude with the medicinal card in New Jersey before they legalize it. Oh dude. Yeah, you're riding around, you're smoking out of this bowl that's made out of Elkhorn and you're hanging out with like Marshall Tucker Band and the Outlaws and pure Prairie League and all these old like southern rock people and Skinner was at one of those and it was fucking wild. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be awesome. Maybe cool to hang with them boys sometime. Yeah, sure. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Yeah, the old. The old heads. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And just, like, soak up some knowledge from them. That's. Yeah, we've been totally different sound or whatever, but we've been out with Billy Currington. Oh, that's. Couple months. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Coconut Billy, he's still party like he used to, or he's. [00:28:09] Speaker B: He still gets down for sure. Yeah. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:12] Speaker B: He's a wild man. I love him. But he's. He's also just been, like, so good at giving advice and telling us, you know, just giving us love and telling us what he sees us doing good at and what he sees, that we could tighten up if we want to be the best. And I, you know, I love that shit, so anytime I can get around somebody that's been where I want to be, it's, you know, to have that wealth of info and experience to tap into is awesome. [00:28:36] Speaker A: That's great. [00:28:37] Speaker B: And they got the fun stories, too. They've lived, too. Aside from working hard and taking over, they had some fun. [00:28:42] Speaker A: They got to live before all this shit. They got to really be in it. When the crowd didn't have these phones. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Everybody was a little more on the moment then. I think that would be sick. [00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with that. [00:28:54] Speaker B: I've seen some videos of, like, the. What's his name? Charles Wesley. God, when people like that, you know, like, a lot of their fans ain't videoing the whole time. It's a little more like they're just, like, dancing and being in it, so that's cool. It'd be nice to see that shift happen a little more everywhere. People just get back into the moment. [00:29:11] Speaker A: Yeah. What was your first concert growing up? [00:29:13] Speaker B: First concert ever was Vince Gill and Patti Lovelace at Dollywood. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Wow. [00:29:18] Speaker B: So that was pretty cool shit. First one when I was, like, a teenager. It's probably some rock and roll or some kind of, like, punk rock band at Rocket Town, you know? [00:29:28] Speaker A: Ooh, nice. [00:29:30] Speaker B: I was trying to do bmx and skateboard or something, too, when I was young, so we was always up at the skate park, and anything that drove my dad crazy, I listened to. So he didn't like all that screaming shit. That's what he said. They're just screaming. You can't hear what they're saying. [00:29:44] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:29:45] Speaker B: But I love the guitars in it, you know, it was rocking, so, yeah. [00:29:48] Speaker A: That upbeat stuff's fun. Yeah. My first show as a kid was Tim McGraw, back when he was Hoss cat Tim McGraw. So it's like zero three McGraw. He didn't have any openers. And he had the fumin, like, the mustache before. Right before he got sober. And he was just a force on stage. And I'm the first one as a teenager that I remember going to without the parents was a Toby Keith concert. You know, it was. It was Toby Keith, Drake White and Kip Moore. And I remember just. That was back when I used to drink. And I remember drinking in that parking lot and having a good old time. And I was like, man, this country music stuff's a lot of fun. These country concerts. Concerts. There's just a vibe. Party in the parking lot, meet some people, party on the lawn, smoker. [00:30:33] Speaker B: I don't know too many other, like, shows that are like that, you know, I mean, I guess the fat, like, the electric music festivals, people partying the whole weekend, but, like, nobody had a pop show or rap shows, really tailgating. They show up all dressed up and go into the arena. So I love that about country shows, man. They get down out there. [00:30:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Whole day. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I love the culture of, like, making friends at a show, too. Like, you become boys with the folks in your. In your section. Yeah. [00:30:59] Speaker B: You leave knowing somebody pretty good. [00:31:01] Speaker A: Sometimes they want to come over, play some cornhole. Hey, want to come over, play some beer pong? Like, you make a. You make a family out there. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it definitely feels like that. Especially the longer we're out there and you're not coming home. You got to lean into that kind of interactions, even on our side of it. Yeah, you got to get tight with folks. I mean, just like how I met y'all, you know, just. It's cool to. It's cool to find new friends and people that you got stuff in common with and maybe you didn't know you did, because we all just passing ships in this town. Just running up now. Music row. Yeah, yeah. It's cool to slow it down. Will just connect with people. For real. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Absolutely. I see. I love that you're a local guy, too, because there's a. There's a movement of guys and girls that are, like, born and raised here that are coming up right now between guys like you, for sure. Chase Matthew Austin Williams. Lauren Watkins. Like, there's guys and girls that are like, 615 Connor Smith. Another one that are either. [00:31:57] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Slightly. [00:31:58] Speaker B: I didn't know all of them was all from here. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Yeah, because Lauren. Lauren, I think, is from, like, closer to the city. Connors from Williamson. Earn is from, like, Williamson area. Right. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Thanks. Yeah, you're just. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Somewhere in there. And then I. Chase is from Springfield, Austin is from Springfield. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cool. I mean, I never knew too many people from here, like, when I, you know, doing it, I feel like when I first moved to Nashville, I was very surprised to hear all the different accents and everybody's from somewhere different, because I was like, damn, ain't nobody for here from here. So that was strange to me. But it is cool to see more people from here getting hip to it and getting a chance and showing up. Showing out for six one five. Like you said, it's cool. [00:32:42] Speaker A: Yeah. What was your, like, bar that you would, like, hang out at growing up? [00:32:47] Speaker B: Shit, honestly, we didn't really have one. Nashville was just barely far enough away. Like, you know, you didn't want to drive down here and drink and go an hour. [00:32:56] Speaker A: So it'd be like the Walmart parking lot or something like that, out by. [00:33:00] Speaker B: A field or, you know, like I said, we was always riding dirt bikes. So there's a lot of time in garages and stuff, just playing good music and wrenching on stuff and hammering beers or whatever, you know, whatever you could find at the time. [00:33:13] Speaker A: What's a field party like? Cause I haven't really been to many of those. [00:33:16] Speaker B: I mean, they get wild. It depends where you at. But we had some good ones for sure. I mean, trucks ain't really circled up or whatever like that where I was from. You know, they all in a line, are they all over? But it wasn't, like, structured. You just pulled up and parked, and we got down, usually a big fire, too big of one. We always had dirt bikes around. So we was jumping them, you know, jumping them over something, doing something. We didn't need to be at night. But there was plenty of times, too, where we'd be in a field. It wasn't ours. If nobody. If there wasn't a field we could party in, we would find one. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:49] Speaker B: And then you'd have to dash like hell to get out of there. I remember one time we was in the middle of this cornfield, and everybody got out but one dude, he had a little Toyota two wheel drive, and that farmer made him reseed that whole damn thing. He had to smooth it all out and reseed it himself. He kept it real, though. He didn't tell nobody's name, but we couldn't go help him either, because they had just been, you know, dead giveaway. So, yeah, shout out, oh, boy, we'll keep him nameless. But he, you know, it was fun. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Being from here. Do you still get. Do you still get to see a lot of the folks you grew up with, man? [00:34:23] Speaker B: From time to time, but a lot of them got kids and wives and still working full time jobs, you know? So I feel like our schedules just don't line up a bunch, but it's been cool to see some of my high school buddies come out to the shows and stuff. And, you know, I seen a few at NASCAR yesterday, which was cool. [00:34:42] Speaker A: How was that? [00:34:43] Speaker B: Dude, that was bucket list. I've been to a bush race as a kid, but never, like, you know, a cup race, so. [00:34:49] Speaker A: And you got to. I'm sure it'd be down pit row, like, see everything. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it was pretty cool, man. See a pit stop happen that quick, I wish they still had more lugs. It's just that one center one now. So the pit stops are a little less exciting. But it's so cool how much fan access, like, how much access people get. You would think it would be so locked off, and really there's just people everywhere, like, right in the middle of it, so that was cool to see. It's the loudest thing I've ever seen my life. [00:35:17] Speaker A: It's so fucking. [00:35:18] Speaker B: Couldn't imagine being in one. I would love to one day, but it would have to be loud as hell. Yeah, but you can feel the. You feel the power coming by. [00:35:26] Speaker A: You feel in your chest. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was pretty damn cool. It was a good race, too, so. Yeah, yeah, our guy didn't do too good. We went. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Who was your guy? [00:35:34] Speaker B: We went to hang out with Stenhouse Junior. [00:35:36] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:35:37] Speaker B: So that was really cool. He's a great dude. He knew the tunes. That was awesome. Yeah, it was pretty sick, man. That really surprised me. But it was cool to get that firsthand experience is, like I said, for the first one to be that cool. They set the bar high. It was awesome. [00:35:52] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's really cool. Did you grow up going to a lot of NASCAR races, or were you more with the bikes? [00:35:57] Speaker B: Well, I was definitely focused on dirt bikes, personally, but we had a racetrack called Highland Rim. [00:36:03] Speaker A: Oh, I know when Highland Rim is going, man, you can hear that shit for miles. That is the loudest thing. Is that rock? That's Robertson county. [00:36:11] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Kind of greenbrier area. Highland Ridge, whatever. Highland room. But, yeah, we would. We would go up there and watch, and then there was a drag strip in Gouletzville, Union Hill. So, you know, I had a lot of buddies that had fast cars. We go watch them. So that was fun, but it was just a little too expensive for us to get into. We could hardly afford a dirt bike, so build a car like that wasn't that we could think about. My dad grew up drag racing and stuff, so he liked it. [00:36:37] Speaker A: That's cool. [00:36:38] Speaker B: It would have been cool to. For us to do it, but we had fun watching. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, there's. And Highland Rim is one of those places where people are ripping cigs. People have the cooler of beer. [00:36:49] Speaker B: You know what a guy said yesterday at NASCAR? He said, you know about Highland Rim? I said, yes, sir. He said, let me tell you something about it. People go there to fight, and then a race breaks out. I was like, yeah, you're pretty, right? Yeah. You know, they're racing for nothing other than, like, the top couple guys. There's a few dudes, I think, that come through there that probably raised NASCAR for the most part. It was just good old boys, just, yeah. [00:37:13] Speaker A: Living something to do on a Friday or Saturday night. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. [00:37:17] Speaker A: That's fun, man. Yeah, that's cool, man. So what do we have as far as the rest of the rest of this year? Like, what do we have for. I know you. You did obviously, like, tailgating tall boys. Oh, you're home. The show here in Nashville that you did, is that exit in, right? [00:37:32] Speaker B: Exit in, yes, sir. [00:37:33] Speaker A: What was that like, seeing your name on a historic building like that, man. [00:37:37] Speaker B: It was pretty crazy. You know, my dad's reaction to seeing our name on the little sign out front was the coolest thing, because he was just like, he had been there to see shows throughout the years and stuff, and he's just like, I can't believe our last names up there. And then he come inside and the banners hung up, and he's like, I've never seen our last name that big before. That's crazy. So his reaction and my sister's reaction was priceless to me. But to see that many people show up, I didn't have a clue how many tickets I could sell. I didn't know how many folks would show up. I just really just took a leap of faith, and we didn't have an opener or nothing, just because I really wanted to prove to the team and, you know, CAA and Warner, like, I can sell this many tickets like, nobody else come in and sold 200 of them. Just, I really wanted everybody to buy in a little bit more. So it was a big risk everybody took, I feel like, because it was a little premature, but thankfully, folks really showed up for me and meant a lot. It was cool shit, man. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Yeah. That's top three for me forever. I'll never forget that. [00:38:38] Speaker A: Yeah. There's something special about doing a thing like that, especially in Nashville. It is tough to sell tickets because you have music. You can go see a band play or a writers round or something at no cost. All you're doing is paying for the beer or the parking. [00:38:51] Speaker B: But pretty much the. The best of every genre comes here and all the best of cour, like, everybody comes here. So you got a. It's hard to cut through the noise here in town. You know what I mean? So that was special, man. They really showed out and it gave me. It gave me some confidence. I needed to just keep pushing forward and just keep hanging it out, seeing what happens, man. [00:39:12] Speaker A: And now you talk about your team. So I know your booking agent very well. [00:39:16] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Andrew. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Mark and Andrew are the mark. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Andrew. Andrew Andrews, my boy. Dude, I've known Andrew since he first got to. [00:39:23] Speaker B: I think that's how we got this set up. Was he reached out? [00:39:25] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. So Andrew's been. Been a good friend of mine since he first got here. And it's funny, so. And also a connection with Will. With Pittsburgh. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:34] Speaker A: So my business partner, Nikki T. Who's the founder of raised Rowdy, started. He's originally from Pittsburgh, so. Raised rowdy started in Pittsburgh. [00:39:42] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Nick, his day job was working in logistics for a company that was owned by Andrew's dad. [00:39:49] Speaker B: What a small world. [00:39:51] Speaker A: So we got. We got to know Andrew because Nick's. Because Andrew's dad reached out to Nick was like, hey, my kid's moving to Nashville. He's starting this entry level job at the CAA, plays all that. And then Andrew, when he first came to town, he was out with us every night going to whiskey jam, coming to our writers rounds. And now to watch Andrew do what. Do what he's doing. And. And dude you're working with. It's funny. You talk about, like, your days back in the day being. Being. Being young Lincoln and now working with the guy that's helped out with guys like Wiz. Like, how does that all kind of come to be, man? [00:40:27] Speaker B: That's bucket list stuff for me, being a part of Taylor Gang. You know, when I very first ever, like, most of the time, it was just me and my buddies. Like, the first times I ever let anybody hear me try to sing or rap was over. Like, whiz beats, Mac Miller beats. I always want to be Taylor Gangdeh. Their day to day videos were so raw and real. They didn't pretty nothing up ahead of its time. Yeah, very, man. And it was just always inspiring to me. It still is, but, you know, fast forward ten years or so, and I met Chevy woods. He was Wiz's best friend. They wrote a lot of songs together, and he wanted to come down and write country music he had been listening and doing on his own for a couple years, and I was looking for a manager at the time because Jack was just starting to go, and I really wanted to capitalize on that, and I knew I needed somebody to help. And we wrote about eight songs in a week that he was here, and he just told will, man, you need to holler at this dude. And they had just got a little extra room because Wiz toured a little less this year, and all the rest of their artists are established, so they. They just gave me a chance, man. [00:41:31] Speaker A: Just wild. [00:41:33] Speaker B: He was like, I don't know anything about country, but I know how to. I know how to do what you need, and I'll meet anybody, and I'll put the hours and the time in if you do. And we just, you know, we hung out a couple times. I went to a wiz and a snoop show. [00:41:47] Speaker A: And what was that? [00:41:48] Speaker B: That was dope, man. [00:41:49] Speaker A: What was. Where was it? [00:41:51] Speaker B: Raleigh, North Carolina, I believe. [00:41:53] Speaker A: I love Raleigh. It was a cool city to be a cool city. [00:41:56] Speaker B: A cool amphitheater, and there's a big pond behind it. So we was taught Wiz's son how to fish. I mean, it was like. It was really cool memories, but, I mean, I think that was kind of putting me to the test. We was just smoking our back out, and then at the end of the night, I was like, all right, you. You're a good hang. We can do this. Yeah. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Yeah, bro. So much. [00:42:14] Speaker B: It was so cool to smoke one with Wiz, though. And the only song of mine he knew is one that hadn't come out that I wrote was Chevy. And he's like, hey, man, that shit's tough. And I was like, you know something I wrote that's bucket list shit for me to. To smoke one and hang with Wiz. And him actually, like, whatever. Like I said, thank you. Kind of dope. It just gives you a little more confidence to that. Something you're doing is right, you know, made me want to lean in. And seeing Snoop Dogg walk through there, man, it was like seeing. Seeing a ghost or seeing alien, man. It's just like, damn, he's real. He's right there. That's crazy. [00:42:47] Speaker A: What's. What's that vibe, like when you. When you're hanging with Wiz and then you see Snoop walk in the room. [00:42:53] Speaker B: I mean, it was really awesome to see how much everybody respects Snoop. Like, you know, it wasn't like they treated him any different, but just everybody really, you know, they're like, you don't know what he did for the game. You don't know what he did for hip hop, what he did for the culture, for the community. Like, Snoop is the man all the way around, and just to hear all these people who are established and have their own name, too, like, talk him up like that, it was like, yeah, he's way more than just smoke. He's way more than just a cool, swaggy guy, like, smart businessman kind dude. You know, it was just cool to see all them boys, because, like I said, we looked up to them, and they made a lot of records. We smoked and drank, too, so, yeah. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Soundtrack to your life in a way. Like, do a portion of your life. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. So just felt really full circle to get to link up with Taylor Gang, because I. I never thought that would happen. Surely not through country music, you know? So got a couple records with Wiz now, too. Hopefully y'all here this year. [00:43:54] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:43:55] Speaker B: So that's bucket list thing. Even if nobody hears it, just to have one for me is really cool. [00:43:59] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, the. I'm sure that, like, you know, it's not something you think about every day because you don't in the moment, you know, but you got to be a part of with the tree vibe stuff and kind of a change in the genre, like, expanding, you know? I wouldn't even say that. [00:44:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:44:17] Speaker A: But if people say all country lost its roots when FGL came out, it's like, no, it expanded. It. It got to the point where you had a duo that I was at the concert where they sold out Madison Square Garden on a fucking Tuesday, you know, like, it made it, brought it into this light. You wouldn't have guys doing what they're doing right now on the scale that they're doing if you didn't have FGL, kind of kick the door down by bringing in a different sound, definitely, you got to be a part of that. And now you. You just said you. You have songs that could be coming out with a generational guy like Wiz Khalifa as a country songwriter. You're part of this. Yeah. You're part of this generation now, of this genre blending, where some of the biggest superstars in the world of music that are going to be talked about in the history books forever are coming into our world because our world is the cool thing and because our world is something. And you're getting to be a part of that, too. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Like, it's really cool to see all the lines blurring and there not be as much of a. Like a. A genre that you got to be stuck to or like, you can only do features with XYZ person. Like, you know, I think all these folks that don't usually do country, having an interest in it is just going to do kind of what FGL did. I feel like it's going to put country on another level. And even if in two years, you know, something else will be pop, it won't be country that's the most popular, but it's still going to be as big as they help us build it in the next two years. So it's just going to help so much. So many more cultures come together, so many more good records happen that you never thought could and sounds that you never thought you would hear. So it's pretty exciting to be a part of. I mean, I love the old country. I think the heyday, you know, nineties would have been so sick. [00:45:58] Speaker A: But you said your first concert was freaking Vince Gill and Patty Loveless. You have that. That in you. And just because you're creating something that's this genre blending of styles, you still have appreciation for the old shit, whether that's old stuff, country, old stuff in rap, old stuff in r and b, old stuff and rock. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Like when I first got my deal with tree vibes. I mean, I know my sounds way different than Alan Jackson, but I told him I want to write songs like he did, even if they don't sound like him. So I was writing with Mark Irwin, and I was trying to get. And I was asking Alan if he would write with me. I was sending him songs. I mean, that was, you know, I wrote with Bob Dapiro. So many of the. Of the legends. That was what I cut my teeth with. And that's who I learned the most from early on. That was super good for me, I think, because no matter what it sounds like, it's traditional country. I try to make every word count, and I. I might do some rapping stuff and fit a couple more words and syllables, but I'm still gonna make them words and syllables count just as much as the last one. So I hope people can. You know, I think all these new stuff blending is working, but there's still some traditionalists that don't want to hear it, and I wish they would give it a little bit more of a chance, because, at least from my point of view, like, the songwriting aspect, every word's got to count. It's got to be, like, old country. [00:47:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:21] Speaker B: So it's a lot more traditional than maybe people want to give it credit for, so. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, storytelling, man. Good music is good music. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:29] Speaker A: And it's storytelling, man. You're telling a story with Jack and Diet coke. You're telling a story on that whole project of number seven, bro. [00:47:35] Speaker B: Like, thank you for saying, man. It's all real stuff I went through, and it's not. We wasn't writing what we thought people wanted to hear. I was just writing from my heart. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. [00:47:44] Speaker B: And that was, you know, originally, I thought you had to be a little more vague if you wanted millions to, like, relate to it, but it feels like the more specific I am, the more somebody's able to see themselves in it or just see me for who I am, and instead of wondering what I'm trying to say, you know? Yeah. It's been kind of freeing a little bit, I guess, would be the best way to put it. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, there's something. Something to be said for that. So, what do you like doing when you're not on the road or you're not in the writers room? What is. What is red fair to like doing? [00:48:14] Speaker B: It's been a little while since I've got to do a lot of living, honestly. This year has been busy, thankfully. But I love riding my dirt bike. I'm kind of a homebody as much as I spent a lot of time going when I was racing, and now that we're traveling, doing music. But I love spending time at home. I like fishing. I mean, I love drinking some whiskey, and that's been fun for me to dive into. I'm collecting it now. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:48:39] Speaker B: I probably got, like, 30 bottles, 30 different kinds of jack on my shelf. [00:48:43] Speaker A: No. So how many more kinds of jack do you not have? [00:48:46] Speaker B: I mean, how many are there? I mean, there's probably, like, a hundred they've put out, and then, like, I got to go pick a barrel, you know? And there's all kinds of people who've got to go pick a barrel. So there's a million people that's got their own bottle that you ain't ever tasted one like it. So I'd say the answer is probably, is, who knows what the number is, but there's at least, like, 20 more. I'm trying to hunt down there whether I just like the bottle or it's like, they got some. It's 150 proof that they only did a couple thousand bottles of. And just stuff like that just intrigues me a little bit, so. I don't know, man. I'm just a real dude. I just like real stuff. Try to. Try to keep myself in good shape. I don't work out as much as I should, but, yeah, because I used to be a racer, you know, I still got an athlete's mind, so I try to keep myself a little sharp. That way, if I ever do want to ride or go try to play some ball, I'm halfway some ball. [00:49:39] Speaker A: So we talking basketball? We talking baseball. What kind of ball? [00:49:42] Speaker B: I mean, I'm definitely not a baller, but I like to go play basketball. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [00:49:46] Speaker B: Cause that was something early on, when I was. When I signed at tree vibes, we had a. We had a team in a little men's league, you know, and it was just fun to go run around. We got beat half the time, but we just had so much fun every time, man. So that's something I'm trying to make a little more time for all my band golfs, so I just picked up golf the last month. So, like, I got some new hobbies that I never really had a lot of interest in, but just trying to expand stuff a little bit, because it's easier to find a golf course in Montana than it is, like, make time to go ride a dirt bike or something, you know? So. Yeah, yeah. Just trying to. Trying to make time to do the stuff I love. And also, like, make time to do some new shit, too, that maybe I ain't have a chance. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Golf is such a frustrating sport. [00:50:28] Speaker B: Sure is. I'm still, like, I don't expect to be good because I don't go enough. So I just, like, pick my ball up and play whoever's best one smoke, and I'm just there for vibes, but I feel like, you know, I've done bought me some stuff now. I'm getting, like, a little hooked on it, and I'm ready to, like, hit good balls consistently. So, yeah, it's tough. It's tough out there, man. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Who was the best baller on that tree vibes basketball team? Who would ball? Who would ball really well with the guys you were playing with? [00:50:57] Speaker B: That's tough, man. Jackie Lee was pretty slick. [00:51:00] Speaker A: I've heard Jackie Lee. [00:51:01] Speaker B: Yeah, man, play some basketball. [00:51:03] Speaker A: You're not the first guy. [00:51:04] Speaker B: I'll be honest. He was kind of sick, man. The rest of us, I don't know if, you know, Adam Romaine. [00:51:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:09] Speaker B: Romy was balling a little bit, and t ho become every now and then, I. I mean, we had some. We had some good cats show up time to time. There just wasn't enough of us to, you know, you need more than one good one to team floating. So, yeah, I used to go out to Gorley's a little bit, and there's always some ballers out there, so, yeah, man, I think that'd be fun. I want to do little stuff. Like, if I ever get a chance to do one of them celebrity games or something, I want to at least be able to do something out there. So I'm trying to get my chops up before. Before it ever happens. [00:51:40] Speaker A: That's not a bad idea. I used to play kickball. Kickball. That was what we did during COVID and we called the league cigs in the outfield because we'd all be ripping darts. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Let's go. [00:51:51] Speaker A: We don't be ripping darts or sit around a joint. We'd actually do it at, like, Belmont's practice field, like, Rhodes park area, like, right there in town, and we just go, bring a cooler. Bring. Everybody bring a cooler of beer. We'd bring our little. Our little setup with all of our flour, and we just sit out there. We'd smoke, and people would drink, and we just play kickball for all. [00:52:11] Speaker B: Do that at all. [00:52:12] Speaker A: We did that during COVID You should. [00:52:14] Speaker B: Fire that up again. That girls fun. [00:52:15] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. I bet now we would get a lot of guys and girls that were just. [00:52:19] Speaker B: Might be a little less nervous to come now. So you probably get some numbers. [00:52:22] Speaker A: Yeah, because we did that during COVID and that was back, like, when I worked with the muscadine. Guys like Gary and Charlie used to come out. Trey would. That's actually how I met Trey. Ella Langley, like, that whole crew that is now. Now everybody's out touring and doing the damn thing. But rewind a few years, and everybody was kind of getting started. We would just get out there, play kickball, and then go jam at people's houses after. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Like, that's pretty sick. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Sit around the fire, smoke cigars. You know, Covid was kind of cool for that, for that reason. I know for. For you, it was a little bit different, because it's, like, career stuff was, like, starting to go in 2019. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:55] Speaker A: And then that pause button was tough. [00:52:57] Speaker B: It was weird timing. I signed with CAA, like, the day that everything shut down. Like, during our meeting, we all had to leave because it was just getting weird, and. And we supposed to do a stadium tour with FGL, and I spent, like, six months getting ready for that, and then it just didn't happen. So, yeah, that side was tough for me, but I got to do a lot of growing in that time. I got to write a lot of songs and really hone my craft and stuff that I would have had to do with eyes on me. So it gave me a little time to polish myself without everybody paying attention as much. And I think at the time, I was frustrated, but it ended up being a blessing because, you know what I mean? It's. It's hard enough to figure yourself out and what you want to do and what you want to sing with all the noise and everybody telling you different things. So that slowed it down enough that I could take what I learned and lean in for a minute, and I knew I had a good opportunity waiting on me once Covid was over, whenever that was, you know, so I just. I just kept leaning in and just tried to work on myself during that time, and it was. It was good for me. It was a lot better for me than it was bad for me, for sure. [00:54:01] Speaker A: And then look. Yeah. Then look at where you are now. [00:54:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it set me up good, I think. [00:54:05] Speaker A: I think so. [00:54:05] Speaker B: I would say I'm super thankful for that time. I've told people a million times over that had I not had it, I probably would have put out a bunch of different songs early on. [00:54:14] Speaker A: And we've been throwing darts, bro, and not the fun kind that you do at the bar with your buddies. You would have been throwing darts and not gotten near the bullseye. And now you've gotten to where this is my sound. It's a little bit of this. That's a little bit of that. And you have what Red Ferrin is who read Ferrin, for sure. [00:54:31] Speaker B: I think when I look back at the first songs I cut, I picked songs that I can still relate to, thankfully, but I wrote a lot of songs during those times that I had one of them popped off. I might not have wanted to been stuck to them sounds forever, because I was still really experimenting and trying to figure myself out. So having that extra time to know exactly what I wanted, redferring to sound like, not what was I gonna pitch or, you know, not sounding like anybody else, it was. That was good for me. I needed it, for sure. [00:55:02] Speaker A: What advice do you have for a guy or girl getting ready to sign a publishing deal because you've been through that on multiple like, that's kind of good question. That's, like, step one. It seems like when a kid moves to town, unless they really have their shit going as an artist, for sure, it's pub deal first. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I understand that. I would say anybody wanting to come to town to get a publishing deal, you know, I would say all the publishers are good. They're all going to get some cuts. They all know the same people. At the end of the day, it's, for me, it was who feels the most like family? Who do I want to go to eat supper with? Who do I want? Speaking on my behalf? Who do I believe in and who do I think really believes in me? Not just one song or not just a quick check. I would always say, I know you need the money. I can relate, at least personally. I needed a check bad. But holding out for a while and not signing the first thing I come across did me real good because I would have missed out on a lot of opportunities that were for me, you know, that really set me up good on the back end. So family first is what I always say. Just find people, you know, is going to be your biggest champion, and the songs will get there somehow. It's a good song. They'll get it there somehow. [00:56:17] Speaker A: Amen, dude. Cause that's a question that I get asked. I'm like, guys, I've never been, like, I've been on music row for, like, raise rowdy related things, like, cool, cool things that we've gotten to do with different partners. But, like, I'm not, like, people ask us, ask me and Nikki that stuff all the time. And it's like, I don't. I don't know. I'm not a writer. I haven't gone through it. Like, how many different deals have you been through now in your years of doing this? [00:56:38] Speaker B: Honestly, I've only been signed to tree vibes. I got really fortunate when I first came to town. They mentored me and helped me for a year, and then once they seen what I could do, they signed me. And I was there about four years, and then that ended last March, and I've just been writing for myself since then. I got Warner behind me on the record deal side, so I got a good network of folks I met the last seven years. Made a lot of good relationships, thankfully. And anybody that I don't have reach to. Usually, if Warner reaches out and says, hey, Red wants to write, when the label says it, people have a little more faith in getting a cut. So I've still been able to keep a good schedule and write. Write when I want to and need to. And, you know, it's. I haven't really noticed it slowing down too much, so I really just had that one deal and had to bet on myself. You know, I missed the draw for a while, and I had to burn through a lot of savings to. To pay the bills. But I think on the back end is definitely worth it because now I own, you know, my ep is all me and every. Everything else that's coming, you know? So it just feels good to know you can do it on your own, because then you can pick a team that is as passionate as you. You don't. You don't have to rely on them to start your fire. You kind of already have a little steam and, yeah, another big thing that was cool for me through this whole process. Washington. A lot of my cuts did have Tyler and Brian, or it did have somebody else on there, and a lot of people, you know, it. For me, it's never really been about credit, but a lot of folks kind of was like, oh, of course, it's a hit. They were on there. So to be able to just pour into myself and do my own schedule and produce own songs and write them and just really get to touch everything, I think it's been good for me to show people what I'm capable of so that when I do start pitching songs again, maybe some of these other people have a tab more faith in writing with me or something, you know, some of them bigger guys that are hard to get ahold of. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:35] Speaker B: Yeah. It's been sweet, man. So, interesting route, interesting journey, and a lot of people go through a lot of different ones, but I learned a lot at tree vibes, and I've met a ton of really sweet, passionate people. I just. At this point, I just. I'm really trying to bet on myself. I don't want to give songs away right now. I feel like I need a couple of number ones of my own, and then I'd say folks would want one even worse than maybe right now. So, yeah, so that's, you know, I feel like wherever you put the energy, that's where everything goes. So I'm just kind of. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah, amen. [00:59:08] Speaker B: Let the songwriting be something I do to. To fuel my. My art, and then I'll get back to the rest later. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. And I'd say betting on yourself is a good bet because it's been working. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Thank you for. [00:59:20] Speaker A: It really has. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Thank you for really. [00:59:21] Speaker A: Hasda, what do we have coming up as far as like, shows and stuff. I'm gonna look. I'm gonna look it up. [00:59:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Check it out. For sure. I know. We're going to Canada next week. [00:59:29] Speaker A: Oh, that's exciting. Have you been international before? [00:59:32] Speaker B: So we went to London, Germany, Amsterdam, Rotterdam thing. [00:59:37] Speaker A: What was that like for you overseas? [00:59:39] Speaker B: That was life changing, honestly. [00:59:41] Speaker A: That's. [00:59:41] Speaker B: I just got a passport. A couple months before that, I never left the country. [00:59:45] Speaker A: I see. I have a passport, and I'm from a place where you could travel anywhere. Like, I'm from New York, but I've never left the country, man. 29 years old. I've never left the country. Canada's like 7 hours north. [00:59:57] Speaker B: I waited 31 years, man. I feel you. But it was good for me. I mean, I've always been pretty laid back, but, like, I remember the first train station we went to. There wasn't an english button on the ticket thing. I couldn't find it. It was just French, Dutch, or German. And all my boys got through the gate just fine, and I couldn't get the machine to work. I was so frustrated, pissed, thinking we was going to miss the train. And we did, but then, like, six minutes later, another one comes, and I just realized, like, oh, this little. The little shit that you worry about most of the time don't really matter. [01:00:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:30] Speaker B: So that was one of the biggest things for me. I just laid back over there. I had to try food I didn't know nothing about, and I couldn't speak their language to get the pickles off of it or whatever, you know. So you just, like, you got to soak it up and take it in. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:43] Speaker B: And it was crazy for people in Germany to know the songs or people in London to sing the songs back. It blew my mind. [01:00:50] Speaker A: Isn't it crazy how universal music is, bro? [01:00:53] Speaker B: It's especially right now, man, with Spotify and apple and everything, Amazon, and I think everything's a click away, no matter where you're at in the world. So if, you know, they get the same hot country playlist we get, so if you're fortunate enough to make it on one, you got a good chance for folks to find you right now. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Oh, so you got some festivals in Canada, dude, Cavendish. Our boy Sawyer is with country liberty. You have to holler at him. Yeah, he's up. He's up there at the Cavendish festival. Oh, you're doing Moonshine beach, bro? [01:01:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's that Cali run is going to be fun. I heard those are pretty sweet. [01:01:26] Speaker A: Have you been out there? Have you been out to moonshine? Beach or moonshine flats yet? [01:01:31] Speaker B: Sure. [01:01:31] Speaker A: I went out there years ago when I was in college. This crazy guy named Keith said that I was going to help tour manage an artist out of Nashville. And I was just this kid at college radio doing whatever, and I convinced my professors to give me, like, excuse me from class to go out and help. And we were in tour matching nothing. I just went with this guy from New York that had a boatload of money and we were just hanging out. I could tell that the guy was annoying the artists in the band that we were with. So I was like, guys, I'm just with this guy. I promise I'm chill. And it was. Moonshine beach is dope. There's a lot of people there every night of the week. They love country music. Oh, dude, it's a party. [01:02:08] Speaker B: I mean, the label comes to the local shows, but they don't go out of town much. But there's a lot of people going to that one, so it must be a fun one or else they. [01:02:17] Speaker A: La Jolla beach, one of the most beautiful. I'm an east coast guy, but I'll give credit to the west coast when it's due. That beach out there, La Jolla beach out just a little bit north of there. Fucking beautiful. [01:02:28] Speaker B: We got some days off. We'll have to slide. I've never been sold out. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Show House of Blues, Anaheim. [01:02:33] Speaker B: That's insane. [01:02:34] Speaker A: That's selling out shows in LA? [01:02:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it blows my mind. I mean, I think the dirt bike community helps with that a lot. [01:02:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:42] Speaker B: But it's. It's a blessing, man. They've been really kind to us. California has been some of our coolest shows, man. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Dude. Oh, and then go into. Oh, dirty Myrtle, bro. Favorites. You've been. You've been to the boathouse before? [01:02:55] Speaker B: No, sir. Never have. [01:02:56] Speaker A: It's gonna be good at loading is what you're not. You're. You're loading in, like, what's your band structure and everything look like? [01:03:02] Speaker B: Got a drummer and tracks. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Okay. So you're gonna be fine. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So we slide in. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Oh, with the loading in. So it's like. It's like the venues, like here, and then there's, like the inlet behind, and then the stage backs up to the inlet. So you're like, looking up. It's like a little mini amphitheater, but it's a bar and it's like a green grass and like the bars up on the hill. And then the stage is like a little landing pad, bro. That's pretty loading in a bunch of gear. There could be a pain in the ass. [01:03:26] Speaker B: Pain. [01:03:26] Speaker A: You're just rolling drums and tracks, dog. You're gonna be set. And Myrtle beach knows how to party. The landing at the boathouse is fucking sick. I love. I love going there. Oh, you're doing boots and hearts. That's like the biggest festival in Canada. [01:03:38] Speaker B: Going back to Canada again here in a couple weeks. [01:03:41] Speaker A: And a lot of stamps on the passport, dog. [01:03:43] Speaker B: I know. Then we're going back to London. We got some more Germany shows. We're going to Scotland. I mean, it's crazy, man. Twice in a year is insane to me ever to go at all. Was wild, but I sure didn't think I'd go back this quick. [01:03:57] Speaker A: Oh, kegs Canal side. Shout out to my man ross up there. You'll be hanging out with Ross, bro. Kegs canalside. There ain't nothing to do in Jordan, New York, but go to kegs. [01:04:07] Speaker B: All right, man. [01:04:09] Speaker A: That's going to blow your mind, too, because if you will think of New York, it's like the city, but you go to upstate New York, bro. It's Hilly. There's dudes riding dirt bikes. It's country as cornbread. They just talk a little different up there. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah, we went. I remember Fgl did a show up there, and a girl brought a deer heart to meet and greet in a cooler. Yeah, so I'm country than y'all. And Tyler and them laughed, and then she's like, I bet I am. She pulled this deer heart out, and then they were like, okay, next, let's get this picture. Get her out of here, man. This girl's wild. [01:04:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, dude. Jordan's great. Yeah, it's cool. Like, seeing the circuit that you're on with a lot of these shows. Cause, like, even, like, Cancun cantina in Hanover, Maryland. We. I went there the day that the COVID restrictions got lifted. [01:04:54] Speaker B: Yep. [01:04:55] Speaker A: So we played a show with Trey. I was with Trey when he played a show up there. And it was the day that the mask Mandev went away. Come on. Place with fucking wise going. Oh, yeah. It's a fun little room. Oh, and then all this european stuff you're talking, dude, you got a full fucking. [01:05:10] Speaker B: You're doing old number. Old number seven tour. This fall. I'm gonna do a headlining thing across the whole country. After all of this in between it, you know, wherever they fall in, so. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Kidding. You are busy. Oh, tea town, bro. Tuscaloosa. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that one's gonna be cool. It's a little SDE. See, see some kind of party. It ought to be fun. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Druid city music halls. That's a fun. [01:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that is right. Videos look cool. [01:05:34] Speaker A: That's right on the strip in Tuscaloosa, like, where all the college balls are. [01:05:38] Speaker B: That during school? Yes. [01:05:40] Speaker A: That's October. That's October 9, dog. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah, we went up there with Billy and college was out, so it was a little different. Crowd is more local than that. [01:05:47] Speaker A: So that'll be October 9. I wonder if that's a. If you're going there on a college football Saturday. [01:05:53] Speaker B: Oh, that would be pretty. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Oh, that's a wet. That's a Wednesday. So you get all the kids there. So there's no way the bama's out of town because it's a Wednesday. So you're gonna get all those kids wanting to get their hump day on and party mid week, bro. [01:06:04] Speaker B: Come on out. [01:06:05] Speaker A: You're gonna get your crowd there at Druid City, bro. [01:06:07] Speaker B: I can't wait. [01:06:08] Speaker A: That's exciting, man. Yeah, you gotta. You have so many dates. [01:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we got 40 or 50 more, at least that I know of the rest of the year, bro. [01:06:16] Speaker A: There's. [01:06:16] Speaker B: There's so many guys. [01:06:18] Speaker A: There's so many guys and girls struggling to get dates right now because. Yeah, dude, it's. Because it's tough to sell tickets with everything that's going on in the economy and the market's so flooded. So, for sure, for you to have the shows, especially, like, the festivals that you have and the over, man, bro, it's a testament to you. [01:06:35] Speaker B: It's out. I mean, yeah, it's really special. Last year, I probably did, you know, 20 shows. This year, I don't know how many we've done. It'll be over 100, you know, for sure. So let's go. It's just cool, man, to. To be out singing instead of just being a writer or recording artist. I'm finally out singing it, and it's cool as shit, man. I have a blast every time. [01:06:57] Speaker A: What's on the red Ferrin rider? I'm going to guess Jack Daniels. [01:07:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I like a little single barrel or barrel proof jack. [01:07:03] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:04] Speaker B: We always need some kind of water. We always need some beer. We got a few beer drinkers don't really drink much whiskey, other than taking a shot. A funny one that we do, just because everybody geeks out on it. We did it one time kind of as a joke, and then everybody was like, you want Slim Jims? Slim gems are on there. You're like every v. I would say. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Three out of ten. Give me, my slim Jim. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Three out of five of the venues is like, he really wants. Slim Jims are. Yes, sir. The rest of us, we don't really need too much. I noticed, you know, when you're in and out, especially fly dates, you can't take it with you. And felt like a lot of it got wasted. So we keep the rider pretty lean. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Nice. [01:07:43] Speaker B: I travel around with pretty much anything I need. [01:07:45] Speaker A: And then what are you traveling around in right now, man? [01:07:48] Speaker B: Train, plane, bus, automobile, everything in between. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Well, I mean, like, do you have. Is it like a bus or a van when you go into these? Like, anything, that's where, say, you're on a weekend run. What are you taking out? [01:07:59] Speaker B: I mean, we've done. When we did the Nico moon tour, we took a bus out. I had songwriters out with me and stuff, so I was working the whole time. [01:08:07] Speaker A: That's full circle. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Yeah. That's the only reason I did it, because I learned from them. And it was inspiring for my friends I took out. They never got to write songs like that, and we ended up with real good songs, you know, for this next ep. [01:08:18] Speaker A: Dude, that. That's got to be a very fulfilling moment to take out your own, to be out on a bus and be like, what are we going to do with these extra bunks? Because you're traveling light, which is very smart, by the way, to travel with a drum. A drummer and tracks. [01:08:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Then I got, you know, eight more bunks. I can fit writers in. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:37] Speaker B: Photographer. [01:08:38] Speaker A: So who'd you bring out with it? [01:08:39] Speaker B: Do you remember the 720 boys? Jared Ingram, Blake Hubbard. I took Cooper Bascom out. He wrote loser for nothing with me. [01:08:46] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [01:08:46] Speaker B: Then my boy Jake Shoggy, we did Jack and Diet Coke, and we co produced the ep together. He cuts all my vocals for me, so I just brought all my best friends out and let them have some cool experiences, and it was fun for me to have my boys out there, but we got a lot that are like, we'll be in California one day and then New York the next. So it's a lot of fly dates right now, so we just, you know, we'll pick up a sprinter wherever we go, or a tahoe. And, you know, it's a little bit of everything, so it's kind of been cool. It keeps it fresh. [01:09:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:17] Speaker B: This fall will be on some big wheels again, thankfully. And I'll finish this project up, and it's gonna be a good time. [01:09:24] Speaker A: That's awesome, bro. [01:09:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's fun doing it every different way. [01:09:26] Speaker A: You know what I mean, yeah, you don't get. You don't get bored of it. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it keeps it fresh. I love a bus, though. I love having everything in one place. And I love having a studio and a back lounge also. [01:09:37] Speaker A: That's how your back lounge would be set up. [01:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll never have until we have multiple buses. Even then, I don't know if I will. But I don't like the back lounge being a bedroom. That's weird to me. It needs to be a studio or a hang spot or smoke spot. [01:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah, a studio that's also a hang spot. That's also a smoke. [01:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:53] Speaker A: You know, I've been on those. [01:09:56] Speaker B: Sometimes people don't want to be fogged out, so you need the front lounge for people to rest and be comfortable. Then the back can be whatever it is. But. But that's how I like to do it. And that's how tree vibes bus was. And I had a lot of fun, and everybody else had a lot of fun. So I'm just trying to keep it. Keep it fresh and cool like that, you know? [01:10:14] Speaker A: How have the bus drivers been? [01:10:15] Speaker B: Big Jim was the man. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Big Jim. [01:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah, Jimbo. We had the same dude for the whole summer and spring that we was working with. Wild, man. Eat black beans straight out of a can. No spoon or nothing. Just turn them up. But he kept that motherfucker right between the lines. He never swerved. He knew there was weed in there, and so he was going 65 and the 70, you know, he was the man. [01:10:37] Speaker A: I love a good bus driver because. [01:10:39] Speaker B: I've dealt with nothing like it, man. [01:10:41] Speaker A: I've had guys from. I've had a guy named Bobby Lee who. We took a run up when. When Trey was out on the kid rock tour. We brought some writers out and did the bus thing. And Bobby, we got up to our first fuel stop, and I noticed there was a piece of paper taped over the tag. And I was like, Bobby Lee, what are you doing to. And we're going through the northeast. He's like, man, I don't pay no tolls. I was like, all right, Bobby Lee. He's like, there's the rat way, the wrong way, and the Bobby Lee way we do it. The Bobby Leeway. Then there was another guy named Cookie who used to eat all these damn paydays and have to pull over, go to the bathroom. The bus drivers, man, they're built different. [01:11:16] Speaker B: That's facts. [01:11:17] Speaker A: Big Jim sounds great, though. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah, Jimbo is, man. He never had you rolling around in your bunk. [01:11:22] Speaker A: It was smooth when you fall out of a bunk, that's a moment you never forget. [01:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Or if you're scared the whole time you can't sleep, your feet are against. [01:11:31] Speaker A: The wall, you know, especially you smoke something that ends up not working the best with you and you're like, you're in that. You're in that headspace and you're in that. [01:11:39] Speaker B: You're in that little dark box and you're just like, man, keep. What's going on up there? There's been there. There was a few times we was on, we was going through Montana and I didn't know that it was so curvy like that. On the highways too, you know. And I was like, what the hell's going on up here? And you know, you go up there and it's snowing and shit. And he's like, I'm trying to. [01:11:58] Speaker A: My best man going through the pass in Colorado with snow coming down, bro. Yeah, fucking wild, man. [01:12:05] Speaker B: I wouldn't want to do it. [01:12:06] Speaker A: No, I wouldn't want to. See, we would, we would use to tour the thing called the bandwagon. If you've ever seen those. [01:12:11] Speaker B: What are they like? [01:12:12] Speaker A: So it's like freightliner chassis pulling a. And usually the tour manager, some like warped tour bands will have used them a lot. Like that style of like the rock, the rock world. And during COVID they were very affordable. But then they've since gotten a lot up in price. But like as a tour manager I would drive this thing. You wouldn't need a CDL because it would govern her out at like 62 an hour. But I would have to drive through like snowstorms and stuff sometimes and bro, it's like 62ft from front to back. Pulling the trailer. [01:12:42] Speaker B: That's crazy. [01:12:43] Speaker A: And I'm great and I'm driving this thing and I'm not a CDL guy or anything like that. Going out, going to South Dakota through a snowstorm, passing through Missouri and Illinois, you know, or you got trucks flipped over and shit. You're just trying to keep it in between the lines. Ripping a sig out the window, you know. [01:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. I know all about it. That's crazy though. I wouldn't be driving it. [01:13:03] Speaker A: No. [01:13:03] Speaker B: I mean I drove box trucks and stuff. Like random jobs. I did. I had one for planet fitness where we delivered treadmills. I was hilarious. So I drove that trail. It was probably 20 or 30ft though. It sure wasn't 60, you know, I mean it was a big rigged for. [01:13:17] Speaker A: Me, but yeah, 60ft with like eight bunks. In it. So, yeah, people like your boys are trying to sleep as you're driving. [01:13:23] Speaker B: You're trying to keep it straight. Yeah. In the wind and every snow and everything. Dude, it's something else. [01:13:28] Speaker A: They used to give me so much hell, bro. [01:13:31] Speaker B: Y'all come up here and try and. [01:13:32] Speaker A: I was the tour manager, so I'm already getting hell. That's what the tour. That's part of what the torment does, you know? [01:13:37] Speaker B: That's awesome. [01:13:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's wild stuff. So this year. So you're on the road a shit ton. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [01:13:43] Speaker A: You got number seven out. You were talking about next project. [01:13:47] Speaker B: Yep. Been working hard on one. I mean, like I said, we wrote all the songs different places. So I got one called as long as there's a bar that we wrote in London. I got, you know, chase my whiskey. We wrote out in California, like, good morning, Montana. I wrote in Montana. Like, everything we was just living, we wrote about it, you know. So it's a cool pack. There's still some that sound like old number seven. And then I. There's some where I just branched out and tried some shit I ain't done in a while or some stuff I wanted to do that I ain't got to yet. So. I love where it's headed right now. It's cool. I don't know when it's coming for sure. I'm gonna try to do seven or ten songs or something. You know. I want to pack it out pretty good. I want them to count. I feel like old number seven. I probably started with 20 and I chiseled it down to seven. And I just want to make sure that it's songs that hit as good as it did because they got a lot of heart on them. And I love how they sound. And most important thing, I love how they are live. They're fun to sing. So just trying to make sure this next pack measures up to that. But it's exciting, man. Hopefully have one on the radio for too long. Yeah, that's gonna be really cool. So we're just working right now, man. [01:14:56] Speaker A: To hear the big 98 say this is whatever by Red Ferrin. Have you had that the jack and Diet Coke ever go or. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Well, not officially. A lot of stations picked it up on their own, thankfully. [01:15:09] Speaker A: That's cool. [01:15:09] Speaker B: And XM played the hell out of it for us, man. The highway was great. Shout out the highway, man. They were really sweet to me. They. We had two songs going at once. They was playing Miss Summer and Jack. It was pretty crazy. So can't wait to have another one on there soon and see how that goes. But, shit, we're just having fun with it, man. It's. It's just been a good time right now. Like I said, getting to write stuff without any pressure and go sing it without much pressure other than just giving them what they paid for, you know? [01:15:39] Speaker A: That's awesome, man. Well, dude, I appreciate you coming all the way out. [01:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, of course. Thanks. [01:15:43] Speaker A: This was fun, man. And happy to have you as a part of the. The race Rowdy family because you were definitely raised on the rowdy side. [01:15:50] Speaker B: I was definitely a raised rowdy, for sure. [01:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I can. [01:15:52] Speaker B: My mama raised me right, but my dad raised me rowdy. [01:15:55] Speaker A: That's a t shirt right there. We might have to do that for the red fair. We have to do a red Ferrin raise. Rowdy. [01:16:00] Speaker B: Do a mossy oak one with that on there. [01:16:03] Speaker A: That'd be sick. That'd be really cool, man. Well, shout out to redfern for coming on. You'll be sure to check out old number seven eps out right now. And if you are anywhere in the world, not just in the United States, but anywhere in the world, come on. Red Ferrin is probably coming to your town or your country. So get on. Get on a red. What is it? Redfern music, doc. Redferin calm. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Yeah, red Ferrin calm. All my socials are just at Redferron. There's not too many red Ferrin, so it's pretty easy to nab up. Consistent, man. [01:16:35] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [01:16:35] Speaker B: Thank you for having me shout out, raise. Rowdy. [01:16:38] Speaker A: Thank you for coming on. We're gonna send you home with some of these surfsides. I got. I got a selection of hats for you to pick out. Got a little coffee tumbler from orca. And we got some new. Got some shirts for you too. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Thank you, bro. [01:16:49] Speaker A: We'll get you all. [01:16:49] Speaker B: Gotta get that. Stars and stripes. I'm gonna be in Canada on the fourth. That's the most. No. [01:16:55] Speaker A: Yes, please. Not right now. [01:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Might as well show them about it. [01:17:03] Speaker A: This one right here, it says freedom. Freedom. Freedom and country. Yeah. Like, it's our four favorite things. Freedom, freedom, free and country. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Man on the four. That's gonna be perfect, bro. [01:17:14] Speaker A: That'd be. Yeah, cuz you're in fucking Canada. [01:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:17] Speaker A: On the fourth. [01:17:18] Speaker B: Short am are. I'm gonna let them know, though. I got a lot of pride, but I don't wear a lot of american flag gear. But I'm gonna garb up for that trip. They're gonna know. They'll hear me talk and know where I'm from, but I'm gonna definitely let them know. [01:17:33] Speaker A: That's awesome, man. [01:17:34] Speaker B: Thank you. That's hard. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Hell yeah, man. Well, y'all be sure to check out our boy, Red Ferrin. Thank you guys, as always, for watching listening. For more on us, visit raiseraddy.com. be sure to tell your mama and them to subscribe. Watch this shit on YouTube. Check it out. Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast from. My man, Red Ferrin. I'm Matt Barrel. This has been outside the round. [01:17:54] Speaker B: Come on. [01:17:55] Speaker A: Sweet. I never been the kind for stick one place for too long I ain't never been the best at sin I love you to a girl I love only got a couple tricks on my sleeve they usually just make em leave so if you know me? If you really know me? You know I'm just a two trick pony? But maybe the drinking and the lack of money for show? I'm just a two trick on it.