Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:13 What is going on? Everyone? Welcome back to the In The Round podcast. You're hanging out here with Matt and, uh, we've got a really cool episode for y'all today. Also, want to plug our sponsor, shout out to Whale Tail Media, and of course, our friends in the Green World. We love our friends at Trailside CBD Emporium, our boy Andrew, they're always hooking you up. They have got, uh, products ranging from hemp to Delta A T H C. They got shit for your dogs. They got it all. And, uh, we're gonna be sampling some products here on the show today. Uh, today we're really gonna be hitting, they got this new thing, uh, these pre-rolled blunts that are awesome. Uh, also these new, uh, can andoid gummies, uh, the 30 milligrams a piece. They're awesome. And, uh, of course they got the Skittles, they got the dabs, they've got the lit bars, they've got it all flowers, dabs, gummies, edibles, oils, cartridges, whatever you need to be feeling a certain type of way and doing it legally here in Nashville or anywhere around the United States of America.
Speaker 1 00:01:14 Y'all look up Trailside CBD Emporium, use the promo code. Itr a checkout 20% off your order. Also got a plug. We got a great writer's round tomorrow, uh, from when this episode drops, we have got, um, our, uh, our buddy Ward, Gunther, putting around together. We got our girl fair and Rachel's putting around together. We got Davy Arnold, uh, we've got, uh, we've got all kinds of good stuff. Nick Walsh is on there as well. And, uh, speaking of great stuff, a great episode for y'all today. Um, in my opinion, one of the coolest dudes in this town, uh, a guy that we've gotten to know a lot, uh, recently, and, um, a guy, he's just, he's true. He's a straight shooter, uh, from Missouri, and he's just all around a badass individual. Y'all enjoy this once. It's our conversation with Mr. Nate Frederick here on In The Round Podcast. What's going on, man? How the hell you
Speaker 2 00:02:07 Doing? Doing all right.
Speaker 1 00:02:09 You're doing all right. Well, uh, we are big fans of what you do. Uh, Mr. Nate Frederick, uh, my first introduction to you was, um, was, uh, the Dreamer. Yeah. That was my first introduction to you, man. And, uh, how long you been in this town?
Speaker 2 00:02:24 Uh, so I've, it'll be six years in July. I moved here July of 2015.
Speaker 1 00:02:30 Really? Uhhuh. So six years. Damn,
Speaker 2 00:02:33 Man. Yeah, it's been an, it's been an interesting ride.
Speaker 1 00:02:36 Yeah, man. And Nashville, a lot of people get caught up in all the bullshit in this town and all that. And you're a guy who I would say, like, you, you don't do that necessarily. You, you do your thing.
Speaker 2 00:02:49 Yeah. Um, you know, I, that's, that's been out of all of the good and bad things that I, that I feel like I've done since I've been to this town. Um, that was one thing that I, that was the most important to me, was to figure out myself and, and, and kind of stick to my guns. And, you know, for a while it was, it was kind of a lone gunner type of deal, but, uh, in the last three years I've really found people that are like-minded that, that kind of support each other and, you know, support almost the, the kind of left of center outlook, you know, of, of Music City,
Speaker 1 00:03:27 Dude. Absolutely. So, backing up, you're from Missouri. Uh, were you doing music stuff out there? I know you're a hell, hell of a golfer.
Speaker 2 00:03:34 Yep. Yeah, so I played golf in college. Um, I went to three or four different colleges and never got a degree <laugh>, but hell, hell yeah. But, uh, so I did that and, and, uh, I didn't start playing. I'd always played guitar since I was like 12 years old. I took lessons for about a year and just kind of did it for myself. And, uh, and then I was running from the police when I was 20 years old in Fayetteville, Arkansas, and fell onto a, a railroad track and broke my jaw. And then during that time, that was when I started to write music and then kind of figure out how to sing it really, you know, I never, I never learned how to sing. I've just been learning how to sing for the last decade. Can
Speaker 1 00:04:14 You disclose what the hell has happened in Fayetteville, Arkansas?
Speaker 2 00:04:17 Uh, yeah. So me and my friend, uh, Alex Sanders <laugh>, I think he'll be okay with me dropping his name. Uh, he, he was actually playing football for University of Missouri and we were in Fayetteville over the summer, uh, hanging out and drank a little too much and ended up, uh, there were on Dixon Street, which is the main street in, uh, Fayetteville, Arkansas at University of Arkansas. Uh, there were these guys that were in a loft, a couple stories up, and they were throwing beer bottles down at us cuz we were in kind of a, a verbal fight. And, uh, one of the beer bottles hit in the middle of Dixon Street. And right at that time, a cop turned the corner and thought that we were throwing bottles out there. And then we ran and, uh, they arrested him over by like a, like a cul-de-sac type of place.
Speaker 2 00:05:09 And I kept running, like I thought I was gonna go into the woods and it was really just a tree, a tree line, and then a cliff about 25 feet. And then I dove onto a railroad track and then I guess was knocked out, obviously. And then at about four in the morning, they found me by the dumpsters up at, at a bar called On the Rocks. Cause I made my way back up. Yeah. And then I, and, and the rest is history. God damn for that. So, um, yeah. So that's kind of what got me into music, really.
Speaker 1 00:05:43 Yeah. So that's, that's, I
Speaker 2 00:05:44 Mean, I'd always played guitar.
Speaker 1 00:05:45 Yeah. But that's, that's kind of cool because that's like an outlaw thing and that's very much the kind of like you were talking about the left of center, like that's some Johnny Cash shit
Speaker 2 00:05:53 Right there. Yeah. My relationship with music has, uh, has always been that, um, more of a therapeutic sense than a, you know, a, a vocation or a occupation kind of deal. Um, so it definitely has a special spot in my heart that I try not to, uh, try to focus on, you know, and not take for granted or, or tarnish, you know.
Speaker 1 00:06:17 Yeah, no, for sure. So, growing up in Missouri, what was, what was that like? Where in Missouri you from? Cause I've been out there a little bit and, and most of Missouri there's a whole lot of nothing. People, people don't real Yeah. People don't realize that like Missouri Missouri's pretty freaking country. Um, and just you, you kinda gotta find ways to have fun and,
Speaker 2 00:06:35 And teach shit. Yeah. I mean, I grew up in southwest Missouri, so it's about 30 miles north of Branson. Um, and, uh, Missouri does, until I moved to Tennessee. Um, and found out that, that people really were like, proud of where they were from. Um, it's not that I wasn't, we're just kind of in the middle and we just kind of do our thing. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it was, it's Springfield, Missouri is the home of Bass Pro shops and, uh, O'Reilly Auto Parts. Cashew chicken.
Speaker 1 00:07:08 Cashew chicken.
Speaker 2 00:07:09 Yeah. So <laugh>, um, yeah, I mean, it, you know, it's one of those things that, that, uh, moving to Nashville, you're, you're in a hub of, of people from all over everywhere. And, um, people ask where I'm from and I say, Missouri, and they're just like, oh, okay. <laugh>. Like Yeah. It's kind of a flyover state.
Speaker 1 00:07:26 Yeah, no, it, it ab it absolutely is. Now what inspired the move to Nashville, because they talk about that incident in Fayetteville,
Speaker 2 00:07:33 Right?
Speaker 1 00:07:34 Then what, then were you, were you still living in Missouri at that time? Like what, what were you doing with your life before music?
Speaker 2 00:07:39 I was in between, I played golf at a division two school, uh, Dre University. And then, uh, I was getting ready to transfer to University of Arkansas, and that was the summer before I transferred. And that transferred didn't end up happening until a couple years later because of that incident. Um, but, uh, so then after that happened, like I was kind of going through the recovery process of that and, uh, started playing music. And I played my first show actually with my jaw wired shut. I was sitting at a, my friend worked at a, a bar called, uh, Springfield Brewing Company, and there was a guy named Art Bentley who had a residency there on Sundays. And, uh, he called me up and I played a Ryan Bingham tune <laugh> that I knew, uh, with my jaw wired shut. And it was absolutely terrible. Um, but at that time I'd started to kind of write music and it just kind of organically grew into like, you know, performing it at people's houses and then putting some, a couple gigs together and, um, you know, kind of figuring out how to how to be a, a musician, you know, at, at 20 years old.
Speaker 1 00:08:51 Yeah. And how old are you now?
Speaker 2 00:08:52 31.
Speaker 1 00:08:53 Oh, so you've been doing this thing for a minute now.
Speaker 2 00:08:55 Yeah, yeah. And it's been a, it's been a process, you know, um, it's just, and, and we'll continue to be.
Speaker 1 00:09:04 Yeah, dude. And like, recently, we'll, we'll get into talking about the record and stuff that's coming out now and about 11 days, which, which it's perfect time. 24 day. Yeah. Or 24 days. No, no. Well, this is dropping, this is dropping on the 15th.
Speaker 2 00:09:19 Okay. Yeah. So the, so we'll have a single, the last single of the process will come out. It's called Love Someone on the 14th or 15th. And then the full record comes out February 26th.
Speaker 1 00:09:30 Yeah. So 11 days from when we're dropping this episode. Yes, sir. See, we got you gotta you gotta remember as you're, I'm so sorry. No, no, you're good dude. You're good. I love the vibe in here. By the way. You, you and, uh, Ben Chapman, another one of my favorite guys in town. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I remember when you guys first moved into this pad, and you gotta tell the, the, the story. Is it, I think it's your bedroom in there, whatever the slant. Oh, yeah, yeah, bro. The slant dude, the,
Speaker 2 00:09:50 The foundation baby. It's, it's sinking over there. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:09:54 Yeah, man. The, the vibe with, with the, uh, with the incense going right now, you sipping the, the spec, like that cup is just classical and I wouldn't expect you to be drinking coffee out of anything else.
Speaker 2 00:10:03 Yeah. It's a little tea, tea party cup. Yeah, man.
Speaker 1 00:10:05 Seems like we all have a good tea party every now.
Speaker 2 00:10:07 Yeah. That's pretty much what we're having right now.
Speaker 1 00:10:09 Oh dude. Dude. Absolutely. 100%. So what's going, so as far as like, recently now, um, when did, when did the Dreamer come out? Because that came out, what? That came out I think once I had moved to town, cause I got here late 2018.
Speaker 2 00:10:22 Well, so me and Ben started that song like one afternoon We, and at a, at a house I used to live at in 12 South, um, in kind of our little writing room and where we kept all of our guitars and stuff and we had the lights off. And for whatever reason, like we just kind of talked around this idea of, of a kid that, you know, was, there's a certain point when you stop becoming a kid and you feel like you're a man, but you're not really a man yet. Yeah. And that's when you start looking at older women. Oh, absolutely. You know, like, we've
Speaker 1 00:11:00 All been
Speaker 2 00:11:01 Here, you're like, you know, like, I'm done dating girls and I want to, I wanna try my hand at an older woman. And so we talked about the process of that and we just kind of talked it out and then it kind of felt like the right way to, to tell that story was to talk it, you know? And then, and then Matt, Daniel, one of our best friends, kind of helped us finish it about two or three weeks later. And this was probably two and a half years ago. And then one night I came home, uh, from the, from the bars and me and my roommate, Steve Everett went up to his room, uh, at the top of the house and just set up a mic and did a, did a, you know, a Whiskey One take on the song and then we put that out.
Speaker 1 00:11:49 Oh, that, so that was just a, just a one take just completely stripped down. Yeah. And I was like, in your fucking house.
Speaker 2 00:11:56 Yeah. And so I still think that may be the best version of the tune, you know, it's, it's coming out on the record as a full band thing and, and they're two separate, um, things of themselves. But like, there's a certain, um, magic sometimes that happens, um, when you just kind of take a snapshot of
Speaker 1 00:12:15 A song. Yeah. And that and that recording, man, I mean, I know somebody who you guys have looked up to is a guy named Guy Clark, who
Speaker 2 00:12:21 Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:12:21 Very much so. And, and that, that style of, and I mean, and today gets called like the traditional style of country gets called Americana. Right. Which is, which I know is kind of where, kind of where you guys in some ways fit in. But you shit still country because Country at the Roots is acoustic guitar storytelling a story. Yeah, yeah. And a story that that's Sure. That's the bare bones, that's, that's the foundation of country damn music. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:12:45 And
Speaker 1 00:12:46 That's, that's what y'all embodying. That's what, that's what The Dreamer is.
Speaker 2 00:12:49 Yeah. I mean, I stories,
Speaker 1 00:12:51 You know, literally you telling a
Speaker 2 00:12:52 Story, you know, that was kind of a one off, you know, I can't, I probably won't do any other song like that, you know, that, but that, and I wrote it with my Best Friend Yeah. And that, so it's like, it was almost like the, the, the beginning of a, a movement for us, whether it is a movement for anything else. Like it was a, it was a, the start of something. Uh, to me, that's how I identify with that song is that it, that it, that it was the start of, of kind of us as friends and um, you know, our friend group has grown, but like we've all facilitated and made each other better. And I, and I feel like that, that song is kind of the poster of that.
Speaker 1 00:13:34 Yeah, man. I mean when, I mean, we've seen it at, at our rounds that we do. I've, I've seen it at, at Why Not, or Not Why Not? Um, at Revival, I've seen it most recently at the, uh, raised Rowdy, rowdy on the Row, shout Out, raised, rowdy, which that was a special, that was a special night. You, you four gentlemen. I remember up there. Just, it's just, it becomes a big sing-along.
Speaker 2 00:13:54 I remember the first time, like Matt, Daniel even remembers this like that, that, that me and Ben and Matt had just played some shows in Texas and came back to Revival. And I was like, I think I'm gonna try to play this song. And everybody was talking and stuff and you know, we definitely didn't know how it was gonna go over because like, it doesn't really grab people's attention to talk a song, you know? Um, but it did, everybody got quiet, you know, because talking something is pretty low key, you know? Um, and it, it just kind of has had its own evolution of, it's had its own life cycle, you know? And now it's coming out on, on a, on a full length record and it, and it feels like it's already kind of, this is like the next chapter of its existence, you know? Cuz people actually like, know that song, which is, I've never had a song in my life that people have known, you know, and been able to, you know, sing back and, and have their own attachment with. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:14:52 What's the, what's the process of, what was the process of making a record? Like, because that's gotta be pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 2 00:14:57 Honestly, the process of writing the songs for the record was the true long, uh, labor of love kind of thing. Uh, we actually recorded the record in like, two days. How with David Dorn at Farmland Studios. Um, we did 10 songs in the first day, and then the second day we went in and did the last song Patches and Matt Daniels sang Harmony on the Record. There's Only One Harmony on it. And then we did some overdubs on Pedal Steel and a couple other things and the record was done and then we went, sent it off to mixing who John Barrons did a great job of mixing and he also mastered the record. And it was, that was it.
Speaker 1 00:15:36 How how crazy is that? I mean,
Speaker 2 00:15:38 Honestly, it was, uh, it was pretty crazy. I just spent a month in Seymour Texas. Um,
Speaker 1 00:15:46 That's where Matt's at, right?
Speaker 2 00:15:47 Yeah. That was where he was at. And this was kind of over quarantine, uh, pandemic stuff.
Speaker 1 00:15:51 Yeah. I feel like there were a lot of y'all out there. Like a lot of people like art, art, like y'all's crew in national, whether it's, whether it's you, it's Ben Joby McKinney, like you guys as a whole, going out to Texas seems like a regular thing. It seems like a therapeutic thing. One cuz your boy out there, but two, it gets you out of the craziness of this town. Like, sometimes you just need that release for inspiration, for mental
Speaker 2 00:16:13 Health for sure. And you gotta be here because this is where, you know, stuff, stuff is going on industry wise and everything like that. But, um, you know, it's, it's much easier to write country music in the country.
Speaker 1 00:16:24 Yeah. Amen to that.
Speaker 2 00:16:26 So, but yeah, it was a, it was, I still look back at it and be like, I couldn't do that record again the way that I did it. It was just a, it was a special thing,
Speaker 1 00:16:35 You know? Yeah. Now, did you write those songs knowing that you were gonna make a record? Or were you, or were you, cause I know a lot of times people just write songs to write songs and then eventually when, when it pops up that you're gonna be doing a project or you got somebody taking a chance on you, you, you take your best songs. But if you did, so you wrote that to be a complete project.
Speaker 2 00:16:53 I mean, over the course of like two years, I wrote like, like a hundred songs. Yeah. Two and a half years probably. And, and, and we all did. I mean, we wrote like five days a week Really? And, and the goal was to write enough songs that you could then build a record out of those. It's almost like you only wear 10% of your closet, you know? Um, and I'd never done that before. I'd never, I'd never written enough songs to be able to, um, you know, create a record out of that. It wasn't like I was writing for a record, but, but I was, you know.
Speaker 1 00:17:26 Yeah. You, yeah. Deep, deep down man. And now, so you get to Nashville, you said that was like, there we go. We got that the mic stands are, they're, they're, they're been Amazon's best baby, Amazon Prime. You know, we balling on a budget in this bitch. Oh yeah. All day. Um, so you moved to Nashville. What was your first, what was, um, your first like, thoughts on, on Nashville? Cause a lot of people move here and then they get, they get complacent. They're like, like the goal is to move to Nashville and then they, they stop grinding or this, that and the other thing. What was the Nate Frederick experience when you first got to town and what were some of those? It's definitely been, what were some of those early memories?
Speaker 2 00:18:01 Um, I mean, I got a job the first day that I moved to town at a bar called South on Demian. That's not there anymore. Um, and I obviously had a different outlook on music and, and, and everything when I moved to town. And that's the point of moving to Nashville is not to move here and, and make it what you want. It's, it's, it's for the town to make you into something that that is correct. You know, and that's why they call it a 10 year town, or how whatever your 10 years ends up being, um, this town is supposed to kind of slough off the stuff you don't need and turn you into what you need to be for yourself and for the music industry. And I truly believe that that, so, and that's really kind of what, you know, the first three years were, were an undoing of myself. And then the next three years have been, um, you know, a understanding and creation of that.
Speaker 1 00:18:51 What do you mean, what do you mean by undoing? What were some of the, some of the
Speaker 2 00:18:54 Baggage needed get? I mean, like, just not knowing what good even is and not even knowing if you're that and just kind of like realizing what you don't know. It takes that long to, to, cause when you move from a small, a smaller town or any town where things aren't really going on the way they are in Nashville, you, it's not that you think you're smarter than you are, but you don't even know if you're dumb or smart. Like you don't, you, you haven't taken your stuff on the road and, and, uh, seeing if your outlook travels or, or how that works within what's really going on. Yeah. And uh, and that's why you move to Nashville to see like, you know, do I need to get better? Am I good enough? Like, like to ask all those questions and, and and, and try your stuff out and find out how far that takes you. You know? And if you don't quit and you stay in this town, it will make you into something that it will give back to you. But you have to put in, you know, the, the, the time and the work and the thought and the understanding to realize, um, it will show you what you need to be as opposed to make you into what you want to be.
Speaker 1 00:20:05 Yeah. And yeah, I, yeah, I got I got you on that. What was your first night, your first wild night at the bars that you can remember? Because I know we forget a lot of
Speaker 2 00:20:15 'em. Well, I mean, I bartended or I, I bared backed actually at, at south and
Speaker 1 00:20:19 South before I did that South South became Frisky Frogs. Yeah. And then became Live Oak, correct?
Speaker 2 00:20:23 Well, no, south actually. Uh, it further down the, a little bit more down the street in between Tin Roof
Speaker 1 00:20:29 And Doghouse.
Speaker 2 00:20:30 So it would be like, there's Tin Roof and then Doghouse and then South and then Live Oak Street
Speaker 1 00:20:34 All. So it's that vape that, um, hookah place now. Right.
Speaker 2 00:20:37 Okay. And it was a, it was a wild bar. It, it's kind of a cursed location because, um, there'd been a lot of places turnover in that with that lease there. Have
Speaker 1 00:20:49 You, have you just seen a big turnover in Nashville as a whole and being here as long as you have now?
Speaker 2 00:20:54 I mean, yeah. And
Speaker 1 00:20:55 Not in terms of
Speaker 2 00:20:56 You, you kinda fall out of touch Yeah. With people in, you know, especially if they moved back home. Yeah. How
Speaker 1 00:21:02 Many have you seen a lot of people move back home in your five and a half years?
Speaker 2 00:21:05 I mean, a little bit. I mean the, the, uh,
Speaker 1 00:21:08 Cause I'm not there yet. Like, I'm at, I'm, I moved here fall of 2018 mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I'm not quite at that point where like I know a shit ton of people who have moved home. But then I'll talk to a guy like Ryan Nelson and he's like, bro, there were so many people I've seen in seven years.
Speaker 2 00:21:21 Yeah. I mean, it, it, you know, it's, it's like a summer camp that that is all year round. Yeah. But you need to stay because it will be hard at some point. And and that's when you find out.
Speaker 1 00:21:34 Has, has this become, has this place become home yet?
Speaker 2 00:21:37 Yeah, it has. It, it took about three and a half years for it to do that. But, but now it definitely is.
Speaker 1 00:21:43 Yeah. Cause I'm again, and I'm not there yet cause I'm, I'm here about as half the time. Half amount the time that you are.
Speaker 2 00:21:49 Yeah. I mean it, you know, there is the, it's when you kind of find out what you're made of a little bit and then you don't really find friends necessarily as you become something that fits and attracts the like-minded people, you know? And that's really the goal.
Speaker 1 00:22:05 Yeah. How long did it take you to find your circle that you needed
Speaker 2 00:22:09 To be in? About three and a years. Three and a half. Yep. When I met. Yeah. Uh, um, when I met Ben Chapman and I met Matt Daniel and I met Ryan Nelson and, um, job Fortner. And then I remet Colin Nash again after that. Dude.
Speaker 1 00:22:24 What? He already met what, what, what, I mean that whole group is just
Speaker 2 00:22:26 Yeah. Tyler, David Harper O'Neill, Vinny Paoli at Revival. Um, you know, uh, so many people really now. Um, but, but Ben Chapman and Matt Daniel were the, were the sole focus of that really changed and
Speaker 1 00:22:44 Affected. Now, how'd you meet those guys? Because Ben, Ben's a young gun. You've been, you've been doing this for a while. It was all at the, and I think Matt's kind of in the middle.
Speaker 2 00:22:51 It was all at the same time. About two and a half, maybe almost three years ago. I had, was playing at Revival and I was hanging out with Ryan Nelson, who I had just met that night. Oh wow. And Chad Bishop and I left my guitar in Ryan Nelson's truck, the back of it. So the next day when I woke up, I had to go to Ryan Nelson's to get my guitar. And that was when I met Matt Daniel. And then about two weeks after that, Ben Chapman had not yet moved to town. And was that in like December, Ben?
Speaker 3 00:23:24 Uh,
Speaker 2 00:23:25 Probably January. January. And he came, he was driving his mom's car and he came over to write and um, we kind of hit it off as just like-minded like thinkers. And he was a great guitar player and, and, and he didn't really know anybody but Channing Wilson and a couple of the people from Revival and Rob Snyder. Um, and then I was like, you know, I had just met these people, Ryan Nelson and Matt Daniel. And so then I kind of brought Ben with me a little bit to, to kind of become friends with them. And then Matt Daniel was living with or moved in with Joe Fortner. And then, um, me and Ben just kind of piled around and really met the people at the same time. But I'd lived here for, you know, three and a half years.
Speaker 1 00:24:13 Isn't it funny how that works? Cause I've had that happen recently where like, it
Speaker 2 00:24:17 Happened really quick. Yeah. Yeah. So it took a long time Yeah. To happen really quick.
Speaker 1 00:24:19 Yeah. For me it's like I've gotten a lot closer to folks like you, Ben and Meg and Ryan Nelson and Joby, and even guys like, like Trey Lewis McKinney, like that whole crew. I didn't really, I didn't, like, I knew who y'all were, but I didn't like know, like, y'all weren't my boys. Like y'all weren't my friends until recently. But it's funny, like looking back on like how, how you interact with people in this town.
Speaker 2 00:24:42 Well, and it's, it's, it truly has to do with like, when you're ready to meet people that are correct for you, you have to become that on the inside first. Like, it's not about making a bunch of friends and changing, it's like becoming something that, it's just whatever we all met because we were at the same outlook and point to converge.
Speaker 1 00:25:08 Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:25:09 Absolutely. You know, we could have met each other two years prior and been at different points in our life and not been best friends, but because we, it was the right time, it, it was meant to be in my mind. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. It was very serendipitous, you know, to, to for that. So that's
Speaker 1 00:25:24 An s a t word. You're a smart motherfucker, aren't you? I
Speaker 2 00:25:26 I, I'm not, I went to four colleges, never got a degree, you know.
Speaker 1 00:25:28 Well, well, I mean, being, being, being smart and like being about going to classes are two different things. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:25:35 You're right. You're totally right. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm, my dad instilled that in me a lot. I I'm a deep thinker. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:25:44 Too, too. Yeah. You, you are. And a lot of folks in like that crew that you just mentioned, cuz like, people meet Ryan Nelson and he's wild motherfucker, but he's a deep, deep dude. But, but then you start talking and you get to know Ryan Nelson. Right. That dude is deep, you know, and you're in that similar kind of way. What were your majors in in your college?
Speaker 2 00:26:01 Uh,
Speaker 1 00:26:01 Communications.
Speaker 2 00:26:02 Okay. Was business communications.
Speaker 1 00:26:05 Okay. Um,
Speaker 2 00:26:06 Nothing real crazy. I think Ryan Nelson was a history. Yeah. Uh, major. And he loves maps.
Speaker 1 00:26:12 He does, he fucking does love maps. Like, like if he sees maps and pie charts and he
Speaker 2 00:26:16 Just, yeah. It's wild.
Speaker 1 00:26:18 He geeks out and goes crazy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's funny, you get him going down a rabbit hole too, and he'll just go, yeah, for sure. For sure. He'll just go. What was, what's one of your, what was, when was the first time that you saw the Ryan Nelson fire show?
Speaker 2 00:26:31 I mean, you're really right. When I, when I went over to get my guitar that the next morning that I met him, you know,
Speaker 1 00:26:36 They were, they were burning in the back. They were burning fires. Oh. Oh, the fires. I thought you meant
Speaker 2 00:26:39 Like talking about Ryan Nelson like crazy.
Speaker 1 00:26:41 No, I'm talking about him. I'm talking about the pallets and him dance and Irish, it's
Speaker 2 00:26:44 Probably that week I think he was burning the fire then, you know, and that's a Ryan Nelson. Fires go hand in hand, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:26:53 Yeah. They get, they get, they get a little wild, man. So, I mean, so going back even more, I wanna dive more into the, to the, into the Missouri stuff. So for you growing up, what kind of music were you bumping? What were you jamming?
Speaker 2 00:27:04 Uh, my mom always played like older music, like Van Morrison and Otis Redding and, um, stuff like that. Um, my family has like, been musical, but not like, as like an instrumentation or, you know, type of deal. We've always listened to music and appreciated it. Um, so that was kind of like my, um, I have like songs that pop out to me as like h my parents used to own a houseboat. It's like houseboat music and like pool music, like things that like bring me back, you know? Yeah. To that type of of thing. And it was always older. Um, you know, um, I think that's some of the best music is, is older music, simpler stuff. And, and, uh, but then like I kind of got into, you know, a little bit of Dave Matthews and John Mayer when all that stuff was coming out. But then, you know, always, always back to like the roots of, you know, like, like I said, band Morrison and, uh, Otis Redding and Bill Withers and kind of the soulful music, you
Speaker 1 00:28:12 Know. Yeah. Are you a big concert guy? Did you go to a lot of concerts growing up? Or were you a ton you a fan? Are you a fan of Not
Speaker 2 00:28:17 Aton. I really wasn't like a, like I said, like a, I played guitar, like, for myself, but I wasn't really like a music guy. I played golf, you know, it's
Speaker 1 00:28:26 Like, well, I grew up playing golf too. Not to the level that you were. I mean, I, I would go out, like, a lot of people talk about fishing and hunting with their dads. All the good old boys down here. I grew up playing golf with my dad and grandpa. Yeah, me too. That's,
Speaker 2 00:28:37 That's
Speaker 1 00:28:37 What
Speaker 2 00:28:37 I would do. And so it's like, you know, when I started play music, people were like, what, what are you doing? You know, like, that's not how people identified with me. But like I said, I think I've always just been a deep thinker. So it's like whatever music was just an outlet to help express myself. And I didn't find that out until I was 20 years old.
Speaker 1 00:28:58 What's the lowest golf score you've ever shot?
Speaker 2 00:29:00 64.
Speaker 1 00:29:01 Jesus Christ. From where? From the tips.
Speaker 2 00:29:04 I mean, it, it was, uh, where was that? It was at River Cut, uh, golf Course in Springfield, Missouri at the city championship. Actually, that's not right. It was 65. It wasn't 64. Still,
Speaker 1 00:29:16 Still a ridiculous store. Yeah. Seven under
Speaker 2 00:29:18 I think it was. And, uh, yeah, I think it was from the Tips. Um, and I just got hot with my putter, man.
Speaker 1 00:29:26 Hey, you, you drive for show and you put for dough, man. That's right. For do, that's, that's some real, some real stuff with that. Do you, do you still play a lot here in town? Or do you I
Speaker 2 00:29:32 Mean, sometimes I do like it, it varies. Um, I'll get into probably by about April I'll get the bug back again. Joe Fortner has gotten really into golf, and so he wants to play anytime.
Speaker 1 00:29:45 Go, go over Cheekwood baby. Yep. He loves it. That's where Joby likes going.
Speaker 2 00:29:49 Um, but, uh, yeah, golf's been, golf's opened up a lot of doors for me. And, um, it's always been something that I will play for the rest of my life because it, it, it's kind of made me who I am. So.
Speaker 1 00:30:02 Yeah, dude. I mean, for, for me, it's, it's such, it's a funny game too because like, you hit on top, you hit the top of the ball, it goes down, you hit the bottom of the ball, it goes up, you right. It's, it's, and you're competing against yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:13 I mean, the way you play golf is the way you play life in a lot of ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:30:16 Hell yeah. That's absolutely right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, what's your favorite course to go to around here? Um, if you had somebody that, that came, people, people come to Nashville to drink and get in the bullshit, but if somebody were to come to Nashville and want to golf, where would you
Speaker 2 00:30:30 Send them? I used to work at Belle Country Club, so I love that golf course. But the, I played in the Tennessee State Open, um, at The Grove, and that is a fantastic golf course. Where's
Speaker 1 00:30:40 That?
Speaker 2 00:30:40 Um, it's, where is the Grove, Ben? Do you know? Uh, it's, they play a, a gig there, Franklin in Franklin. There's
Speaker 1 00:30:49 A lot of nice golf courses in Williamson
Speaker 2 00:30:50 County Golf Club of Tennessee's Really nice. Um, in Kingston Springs. And then, uh, what's, Graystone is a really good golf course as well. So, I mean, there's a lot of good golf. Golf.
Speaker 1 00:31:01 It's, it's affordable. Relatively around here too. Yeah. Cause I'm from up in New York, it's,
Speaker 2 00:31:05 They're good at making the metro stuff like really affordable
Speaker 1 00:31:08 For sure. Yeah. We gotta get out and play sometime. Cause I, I've like, I'll go out and we were getting, uh, like I was going out with just random, like, I feel like 2020 was a big year for the growth of the sport of golf.
Speaker 2 00:31:20 I think a lot of people bought their first set of golf clubs in in 2020 for
Speaker 1 00:31:24 Sure. Which is, which is great. Like, I love seeing, it's gonna make the courses a little more crowded next year. Love. But I, I love it too, man. For, for the growth of the sport. A lot of people sleep on golf.
Speaker 2 00:31:33 They do. It's, it's, uh, it's kind of the every man sport, but it, but it's looked at as like a country club snobby deal.
Speaker 1 00:31:40 Have you been up to, I think it's called Pebble Creek up in Jolton?
Speaker 2 00:31:44 I haven't I've
Speaker 1 00:31:44 Heard of, bro. It's, so I played there with, uh, with our buddy Garrett Biggs and we were the only two guys out there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. We, um, I like to bring out some of my Delta eight stuff and I bring out some cigars. Right. I have my little travel kit. Some of it's Delta eight, some of it's Mary Jane, whatever. We have a good time <laugh>. But, um, we, this course, dude, it's in the mountains, so like, there's like warning signs when you're driving the carts. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, it, like, they don't even let you walk it because you, it's like on a cart, there's like a couple minutes in between holes. Right. It, it was like pouring rain. It was Oh yeah. All kinds. We almost died like three times. It was crazy. Mountain golf's fucking nuts.
Speaker 2 00:32:19 You're out in the elements when you're, when you're playing golf, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:23 Yeah. Have you like traveled around, gone and played at another state besides Missouri and Tennessee? I
Speaker 2 00:32:28 Used to play junior golf, uh, with the A J G A, which is American Junior Golf Association. I played a ton of golf courses, like, you know, um, played with people that are now on tour, like, you know, uh, a bunch of the Oklahoma boys like Ricky Fowler. Yeah. And, and, uh, we've got a lot of friends that are involved in the golf industry or on like the Korn Ferry tour or some of 'em. I made it up to the, to the PGA tour. And, um, so I, yeah, like I played, that was what I did as a from
Speaker 1 00:32:59 Did you think,
Speaker 2 00:33:00 You know, 13 to 18 years old, like it was just golf,
Speaker 1 00:33:03 Was, was being a pro golfer, was that something on your mind?
Speaker 2 00:33:05 Yeah, it was. But then I, you know, it just, I kind of realized what I had to do and, uh, what, what it was gonna require of me to be able to do that. And I just wasn't there. And I'm probably a better player now than I even was. I kind of had a falling out with golf because I took it so seriously. That is it, is it, I lost the love for
Speaker 1 00:33:31 It. You know, golf, golf becomes a lot easier when you don't give a shit.
Speaker 2 00:33:35 Yeah. And so I'm,
Speaker 1 00:33:36 And so and so does life,
Speaker 2 00:33:37 Honestly. Yeah. And so it just has, in the same way that music has helped me express myself, golf has taught me how to think. So I, you know, my relationship with golf is, um, is a good one now, you know, because of the things that it's taught me to be able to move forward in anything that I want to do as opposed to just a sport that I'm trying to be good at.
Speaker 1 00:34:03 Yeah. No, absolutely. For sure. Now, um, quick little bit of it. Quick little bit of like advice stuff. If somebody was moving to Nashville, what would you tell 'em? Some free game.
Speaker 2 00:34:13 Stay <laugh>, don't move home. Um, you know, uh, really buy into the fact of, you know, take advantage of your opportunities and, and be a good person and, and just trust that it's baked into the cake of Nashville to make you what you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 00:34:34 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:34:34 That's it. Trust, trust process. You don't come here to up your status. You come here to get better.
Speaker 1 00:34:39 Yeah. Trust, trust the process for sure. Um, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:34:42 Easier said than done.
Speaker 1 00:34:43 Oh, absolutely. No, there's a lot of ways to get distracted and there's a lot of ways to cast have that doubt. Like it's this, this music shit's tough.
Speaker 2 00:34:51 Yeah. And it's,
Speaker 1 00:34:53 It ain't for everybody,
Speaker 2 00:34:54 But if you stick around long enough, you get on the other side of it and you, and you learn about yourself and that's the important part.
Speaker 1 00:35:00 What's the biggest thing you've learned about yourself?
Speaker 2 00:35:04 The biggest thing.
Speaker 1 00:35:06 I know that's a tough one. I'm, I'm, I'm good with the questions today. Um, I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 00:35:10 The biggest thing that I've learned about myself, um, that I'm, that I'm harder on myself than I am other people.
Speaker 1 00:35:19 Perfectionist.
Speaker 2 00:35:21 Maybe that in a way. Yeah. But like, I give other people the benefit of the doubt, where sometimes I don't give myself that and I'm learning to do that more.
Speaker 1 00:35:29 That's good, man. That's good. So, um, and then one last thing. Food. Are you a big barbecue guy? You a hot chicken guy?
Speaker 2 00:35:36 I love, I love Mexican food. I, I think would be my favorite, best Mexican. I love McCabe Pub. That's like my go-to place.
Speaker 1 00:35:41 Right. That's the home, that's the hometown. That's the choice
Speaker 2 00:35:43 Right now. But then when Matt Daniel lived in town, it was, uh, uh, Los Can Doritos on. Ooh,
Speaker 1 00:35:49 No one. That's a, that's a good spot.
Speaker 2 00:35:52 You can go in there with 10 bucks, get two beers and two tacos and rice and beans.
Speaker 1 00:35:56 Yeah, man. And I've, I've learned to like the taco trucks. I moved to l as Ryan Nelson called,
Speaker 2 00:36:01 There's some good Mexican in in
Speaker 1 00:36:02 Nashville as Ryan Nelson calls it. LA or he calls it the other, other LA You got Los Angeles, he got Louisiana. He got Lower Alabama, then he got Lower Antioch. Yeah. Which is
Speaker 2 00:36:11 Where,
Speaker 1 00:36:11 Which is where me and Ryan Nelson live at. Um, and the taco trucks there are freaking delicious.
Speaker 2 00:36:17 Super good.
Speaker 1 00:36:18 So hell yeah, dude. Um, so Mexican food. So Los Cantos, that's your recommendation? That's
Speaker 2 00:36:23 That's our go-to for sure.
Speaker 1 00:36:28 So yeah, Mexican man, definitely a, uh, a Nashville staple. Uh, I agree. Something that I was not expecting coming down from New York. No, I was not expecting as, as much of that in the state of Tennessee.
Speaker 2 00:36:38 It doesn't seem like it would be a Mexican mecca, but,
Speaker 1 00:36:41 Uh, Mexican mecca. That's a good way to put it, man. We got, there's almost as many Mexican restaurants and taco trucks as there are bars.
Speaker 2 00:36:48 Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 00:36:48 Even might be more Mexican restaurants and
Speaker 2 00:36:51 Bars. Yeah. I enjoy it. I I definitely
Speaker 1 00:36:55 Have problem. What's, what's, what's, what's your order? You seem like a simple kind of guy. Um, but you could be a
Speaker 2 00:36:58 Fijis guy. Ben Chapman got me on the, uh, I guess it would be the, it's just chicken, cheese and rice with jalapenos.
Speaker 1 00:37:06 Simple. But the little kick of the jalapeno. That's not bad. That's not bad.
Speaker 2 00:37:10 And Ryan Nelson got me into hot sauce and, you know, putting that on everything, so,
Speaker 1 00:37:15 Yeah. Oh, he does, he does put that on Everyth. He loves the heat. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm a, I'm a simple, for me, as long as it's got the rice and beans, like I might go grab some freaking Mexican after. You can make me all hungry and shit. It's making me hungry too. Yeah, dude. Yeah. We might, might have, might have to do that before, before we got, uh, before we got our, our later shit. But, um, so talking again, we gotta talk about your pup right here too. I see. She got, so you're a Razorbacks fan?
Speaker 2 00:37:37 Uh, yeah, I am. I went to school there for
Speaker 1 00:37:39 A little bit. So that's, so that's your team. So you're from Mizzou, but you pull, you pull Pig Sui? I
Speaker 2 00:37:44 Do. And and her name's Wanda. She's 10 years old, so she's really been a part of or been here for the entire, um, music thing for me. Um, and that's what I started my, cause we have a distribution deal, but uh, my independent label is called Wanda Recordings. Hey,
Speaker 1 00:38:03 Hell.
Speaker 2 00:38:03 So she doesn't even know, but she's the face of the whole deal, <laugh>, so.
Speaker 1 00:38:07 That's awesome. Dude. No, we, we love, love hearing that. She's a good old girl. She's, she's nice. She's definitely been very friendly with me coming in Uhhuh, but not like the obnoxious friendly, you know, like she just, she comes up, she's
Speaker 2 00:38:18 Pretty chill, but she has a personality for
Speaker 1 00:38:19 Her. She put, she puts her, she puts her head on your knee and starts licking you. And she's, she's very friendly, but not like jumping.
Speaker 2 00:38:25 Right, right. It's not, yeah, she's very well behaved, but, but, but
Speaker 1 00:38:28 Friendly. Very well behaved. And you can't, you can't stay mad at a dog like
Speaker 2 00:38:31 That. No, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 00:38:32 She's she's a sweet girl right there. Chilling, chilling, hanging out. So yeah. Different shade of Blue man. Yep. Um, so it's gonna be coming out. Um, how proud are you of this project and what I, what if you, if you had the promo, this is your chance to promote it right now, what do you gotta tell us about it? I,
Speaker 2 00:38:47 It, it just was, my heart is totally full with this record because I wrote it with my friends and it really is just kind of like a, I didn't really care how many people really heard it. It, I wasn't gonna, um, you know, put it up on a pedestal, but for me it was just such an important record that I had to make of moving forward for the rest of my musical journey. Um, it was just a moment in time. Um, I wrote Different Shade of Blue with Matt Daniel. That was the first song that me and him, just me and him wrote together. Um, you know, it encapsulates the whole idea of the record where it's like, I'm not really outwardly at a different place that people can really tell, but, but it's a different outlook on where I'm at. Yeah. You know, it, it, it, it's, it's not like I'm at a point of success that, that people can really understand, but, but the way that I look at things now being even in the same situation is just so much healthier for me. And so it's just a different shade of blue, Hey, you know, and it, it, it just, this record will con Will is very important to me, you know, and, and my friends and the people that helped make it. Uh, it was definitely not a solo effort.
Speaker 1 00:40:06 Yeah. No, that's awesome dude. Is there one song in particular where you're like, this is one I'm most proud of, or are they all kind of your babies?
Speaker 2 00:40:13 I mean, I just am proud of it because I actually feel like I made a record as opposed to I made a collection of songs,
Speaker 1 00:40:21 Which is something that gets lost in today's. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:40:23 So it's like I music, I really do look at the record as a, as a singular thing as opposed to
Speaker 1 00:40:29 No, I've, I've, I've a collection of, I've talking with some other friends who have made their, who have put out their first records recently. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they've said to me that they don't want to just go in and do singles anymore. Like, they just want to do records. Like there's something magical about the, there's something about a studio and doing a record.
Speaker 2 00:40:45 Yeah, man. Like, I'd always wonder what that would be like. And, and, and you have to do so much. You can't make a record in, you know, the drop of a hat. You know, it's a process and because it's a process then you hold it so much closer to you because you've had to go through every step to get there. You know, a song is just, you know, one little piece of I feel like the process Yeah. Of making a record, you know, one scene in a movie type of thing. So like, I will always try, hopefully have the ability to make records, cuz that's how I feel like that the true growth and, and how music really exists for me is in the form of
Speaker 1 00:41:32 A record. Hell yeah, man. Well, I'm, I'm very excited to see where, see where this thing goes. Um, the singles have been awesome. Um, it's been a nice start. Thank, thank you for, for giving us a taste of the record, not having to just wait for the full release. Right. We, we love it. We love it when artists can, can put a few out. I think it's a great marketing plan and, and it seems to be working well and you're, you're getting put on some playlists, which is now, now a big thing these days. And
Speaker 2 00:41:56 Yep. It's been a good, it's been a good start. And I, and it, it's been a team effort, um, with the people that I'm working with and are working with me, and from the songwriters to the record, to David Dorn who produced it to all the musicians that played on it, um, down to the management and distribution and marketing. You, you know, I can't, I could not have done it alone, you know, so it's definitely not just my record. I, I I would hope that everybody feels like it's theirs,
Speaker 1 00:42:22 So hell yeah. That's the way it's supposed to be. Well dude, thank you so much for, for hanging out today and My pleasure, buddy. Welcome. Welcoming me into, into Your Home. It's, I love this place hanging out, vibing, arriving with the boys and with Miss Wanda right there. Uh, we, we love it. And, uh, well you cool playing a couple songs for us. Yeah, we'll do it. All right, sweet. Um, well before, before Old Nate gets that guitar and starts picking us a few thank you guys as always for listening to the In the Round podcast. Make sure you check out Nate Frederick Different Shade of Blue. It's coming out soon. We got some singles out with it now he's got some other stuff up as well. So y'all can check out the back catalog. Um, Nate Frederick music on Instagram or just Nate Frederick. Uh,
Speaker 2 00:43:03 Nate Frederick Music.
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Speaker 2 00:44:19 Here, Darlene. Don't you know Dennis per arrive, you stay inside and don't look now stay right where you are, girl. Whatever it need, ill get it all. It ain't too, you know, it's been so long since we ourselves and I always want, oh baby, oh, he slid him on no, Saturday mornings another lock pair. Jeans slid in. But my done slide into the home, the back, right pocket, she couldn't hold on. Another mama came sew, but she couldn't stitch fix this time. I guess that's the way. Some things you can fix, stay broke, come home, ain't no sense when it's holes. So in with the, and with his dad drove it 10 years before brother got the keys to that Chrysler door. By the time he was 16, he said, good luck with that thing with a smile and a wing tossed in the key. Well, they ran for a week till that old engine just gave out. I guess that's the way it goes. Some things you can fix till stay broke res till the cow come home. Ain't no sense when it's too many holes. So it's in with the knew and I the old,
Speaker 2 00:49:11 She was his first kid, but he didn't know then wouldn't be his life. Goodbye. I suppose even people wear out sometimes. I guess that's, you come home, ain't no holes in, in with a.
