Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:13 What's up everyone? Welcome back to the end of the round podcast. You got Matt and Tyler. What's up And with us today, one of our good buddies. He's in town from west Tennessee, Mr. Matthew MCs Way, Matthew. How you doing buddy?
Speaker 2 00:00:24 Doing well, doing well. Thank y'all for having me on,
Speaker 1 00:00:26 Dude. No problem. Thanks for coming on. And, uh, you're back and forth quite a bit from out towards Memphis One Music city to the music city. Yeah. What's uh, this trip been like for you out here?
Speaker 2 00:00:38 It's been good. So I, I got a, a job that's perfect for what I do. Um, I'm in sales and so part of my territory is in Nashville, so I got it scheduled right now where I come to Nashville for about three or four days every other week. Last week I was here as well, uh, and this week just having out with that schedule. So it's been, uh, it's been good. I usually try to get here and work during the day and right during the night. So work during the day and night right now, just doing two different things.
Speaker 1 00:01:01 Yeah. So you're kind of doing two jobs while you're working here. You're doing the music thing and then also your professional career. So that's gotta be pretty cool that they can kind of, I don't want, I mean, overlap in a way. Yeah. Where you can, you can get both where you can network and go out in Midtown and meet people and get writing sessions. And when did that process start for you of kind of those two overlapping?
Speaker 2 00:01:21 So I started this job in February, uh, started doing all my traveling and stuff in March. And so it is just kind of worked out between, you know, meeting Logan and Ethan and Jody. We, we've got dates on the schedule pretty much for every time that I come. So I'll, I'll work, uh, in the morning and, and afternoon and then we'll get together and, and usually write that evening or, or go out and network or even play a show. Like, uh, last week, uh, on Wednesday, my buddy Sky Anderson was playing up at, up at uh, Luke's. And so I worked during the day, got up there that afternoon. He had me play a few songs. So some of my coworkers got to nice see me play. So it was kind of, kind of cool.
Speaker 1 00:01:56 Do both, and, and you mentioned a lot of mutual friends that we have and stuff, so we're gonna get to those guys in a second, how you met all them. Now, how does Matthew McLain get involved with the music thing? What kind of, what, when did you get your start of doing songwriting and pursuing music?
Speaker 2 00:02:09 <laugh>? Uh, so it goes back a while and then it stops and then it kicked back up whenever I was graduating college. So when I was, when I was younger, I used to sing a lot in church. We had fifth, fifth Sunday singings. So every Sunday, uh, on the fifth Sunday, which only happened, you know, two or three times a year, it would be nothing but singing hymns and people getting up and doing special music and things like that. And so I would get up and sing the same hymn every single time. And then one time, for whatever reason, I got up there, I was about seven years old and I forgot every single word to the song that I sang every fifth Sunday. Started crying on stage cause I was, you know, really young and I stopped singing for in public until I was in college.
Speaker 2 00:02:48 So it, uh, it picked back up in college, uh, with a buddy of mine, a guy named, uh, Steve Moler came by and played a show. And I never heard of Steve Moler, who I definitely haven't now. He's, uh, he's my favorite, favorite songwriter singer. And I told my buddy about him and he was like, well, I play guitar and you sing, so let's play some Steve Moler songs. So we would go up to the fraternity house and play Steve Moler songs till about three in the morning almost every day. And then that turned into open mic nights singing Steve Moler. And, uh, and then we, we moved apart, I moved down to Memphis. Uh, that's when I got my first guitar in 2015. And I was like, if I'm gonna keep doing this, I better start playing myself. So then I started playing and, and writing stuff and sending him voice memos. Cause at the time I couldn't, still couldn't play guitar well enough to actually write a song. So I sent him a voice memo. We'd meet up that weekend and we'd hang out a song. And that's kind of how it, it started developing. Met several people after that.
Speaker 1 00:03:38 Damn, dude, that's pretty cool. Now what fraternity were you guys in?
Speaker 2 00:03:40 Uh, I was s SAE Sigma Epsilon. Alright. Yeah. At Union University, which is a small private Christian school in West Tennessee. So it's not the the party stories that you're thinking of surprised
Speaker 3 00:03:49 That the Christian University allows, uh, Greek life?
Speaker 2 00:03:52 Yeah. Yeah. We only had three of them. And, uh, the cool thing about it is we're still really, you know, close knit and intertwined with, uh, the university itself and kind of what it does. So we had a bunch of philanthropies and did a lot of stuff work around the community and in the school too. So you kinda got the, the national, you know, fraternity life, but you also got to still, you know, live out the Union University, I guess mindset. So.
Speaker 1 00:04:13 Awesome. Yeah. No, that's awesome. Awesome. Yeah, that is cool, man. And now, when did you start coming to Nashville? Uh, when did that process start for you?
Speaker 2 00:04:22 So the first time that I actually did something musically in Nashville would've been in September or August of last year. I had somebody hit me up and ask me to play a football kickoff show. And so I was kind of just like the background music in the parking lot while everybody was watching light football on the big screen. So it wasn't actually a show, but it, it was fun. It was, I, I really enjoyed it. But as far as like what I'm doing now, writing music and recording stuff, I started recording in January of 2018. Um, but it wasn't until, it wasn't until, uh, not too long ago that I actually started writing with people.
Speaker 1 00:04:58 Okay. That's, uh, that's awesome. And now something about Nashville, people like to party here. Yeah. It's, it's a wild scene and we've had some nights out together and, and you've gotten to see some of that. What was your first night that you were, that was like, kind of hazy for you?
Speaker 2 00:05:12 Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1 00:05:13 If you can remember it, it's whether, whether it's out with Ethan or Logan's, it's
Speaker 2 00:05:17 Kinda hard to say because, you know, a lot of times, especially with me not living here full time, usually when I'm in town, it, it kind of centers around, you know, the seriousness of it, you know, writing music and, and playing shows and networking. So even when I go out, I try to stay in the same mindset of being able to at least carry on a conversation. You know, I don't want it to be a situation where I run into somebody on the one night that I go out and it's a really good connection, but I'm not sober enough to remember that conversation. So I try to, you know, even if we go out, I try to, you know, I try to have a good time and, you know, have a few, but I try not to, uh, to get too, too rowdy. But usually it's, it's the, you know, the Monday nights going to Whiskey Jam and then, you know, red Door and, and different things like that. Nothing too, too wild.
Speaker 1 00:05:55 Yeah. Do you remember your first night going out here?
Speaker 2 00:05:58 Uh, yeah, I do. Uh, the first night that I went out went out was like, with, with buddies and stuff. I saw a, I saw a, uh, a lineup at Whiskey Jam and of course I was new to it, didn't know a whole lot of people, but whenever I hit up Logan and, and, uh, Jody and them, they actually knew a few people that were playing. So we got to go up there and, and listen to it. I can't remember off the top of my head who was playing that night, but the first time that I actually like went out was at, at Whiskey Gym.
Speaker 1 00:06:22 Okay. Yeah. Which is completely different than downtown. Yeah. Which I prefer Midtown. I know Tyler prefers Midtown as well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:06:28 I prefer not as many people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:06:30 Or at least being local, which is what's so cool about the way that this town works. The networking is you can make just as many, like, like going from the professional lifestyle to the musical lifestyle, which is very much the opposite terms of networking. Like yeah. You're, you're, you're dressing up and you're doing your, your thing professionally and then networking in the music scene here in Nashville, you're having a beer or having a cocktail with somebody hanging out at Red Door. Exactly. Like a dive on with, with smoke clouds everywhere, you know.
Speaker 2 00:06:56 Exactly. But it's still a, you know, it's still a quiet enough. You can find a place in Midtown that's quiet enough to where if you wanna get off and talk, talk music or, you know, build that relationship, you can get off and have a conversation over beer where it's, it's not as easy when you're downtown on Broadway. Oh. And in those live bands situations, which has its own, you know, its own cool thing, you get to hear live music and, and if it, if I didn't like live music, I wouldn't be doing what I'm, you know, doing here. So I do respect that at that, that side of it too.
Speaker 1 00:07:22 Yeah. Talking about the music, uh, first Live, first concert you went to,
Speaker 2 00:07:26 First concert I went to, uh, the only thing that sticks out Big and Rich came to a a, uh, it was called like Skull Bones. It was like this really honky tonk bar, or not bar sounds, was like an outdoor venue. Sounds,
Speaker 1 00:07:39 Sounds country, yeah, just sounds
Speaker 2 00:07:41 Country. It was in the middle of nowhere. And of course I was really young, so really what I just did the whole time was around and played with other kids that were around there. But that was the first like, big concert that I remember. But, uh, like I said, my, well my dad is a pastor and so Really, okay. We had a lot of southern gospel quartets and southern gospel shows that were actually coming to, to like our church and things like that. So. So
Speaker 3 00:08:05 Growing up in the church, uh, how much do you think that influenced you with music and with writing and all that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2 00:08:12 Yeah, so, um, with Southern Gospel there's a lot of, a lot of soul. There's a lot of harmonies, there's a lot of, you know, writing
Speaker 1 00:08:22 Just the Mountain Dew. Y'all don't worry.
Speaker 2 00:08:24 The the writing itself is all serious, you know? Uh, and so it's kind of given me as, as far as writing songs, I try to, you know, there's a, there's a time and place for writing funny songs, but, you know, when I'm writing a song, I try to, at some point in that song, if not the whole entire song, there's, I try to have there be a moment that is clever enough, catchy enough, or, you know, heartfelt enough to where as soon as the song is over, they wanna listen to it again. So I try to to, to write that way, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 00:08:52 <laugh>. No, it, oh, it definitely does. You're, you're good at what you do, man. For a guy that's not quite here yet, and a lot of people that, that I've seen talk to you and that I've even said, I've even said this, like the moving to Nashville for you, you're able to do it right now where you're living out in West Tennessee and doing your thing and doing what you gotta do and still do the music thing. What's that? Commuting back and forth like?
Speaker 2 00:09:13 So it's, uh, it's been really cool because, you know, a lot of times whenever I get up here and we start writing, we already know generally, generally what we're gonna write about. Because while I've been home for the, the week before, you know, I've come up with ideas. Jody and, and Ethan and Logan, people I write with will send me ideas and we kick around these melodies and, and some of 'em, I've already written half the song while I was home. Uh, and so whenever we get up here, it, it is kind of like we already have these ideas, we'll still kick around ideas, you know, what have you guys come up with? And then usually we settle on something that we've already been talking about or discussing. So it's kind of getting in that mindset before I even get here, of knowing what we actually wanna do when we write that song.
Speaker 1 00:09:52 What's the, where's, where's your ideal place to be writing? Are you a guy that writes in the car on your, on your drives, back and forth? Are you a guy that's hanging out somewhere, country in the woods and writing? Are you sitting at your office desk and writing? Where, where's where are you most creative? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:10:05 Uh, it's a little bit of everything. You know, inspiration can hit anywhere and it, and it's changed. You know, the, the first few songs that I wrote when I was, I was working at Enterprise downtown Memphis, which is just right, right down the road from actually the Mississippi River. And there's plenty of places down there to go park and walk around in the park and stuff. And so I would go on lunch break and got that hour lunch break and I would go down there and just park by the river. And, uh, that's where I wrote Moonshine, which was one of the first songs on, it was actually the first song that I finished. And it's on the EP that, that I came out with last November. So a lot of my inspiration, uh, at the beginning was, you know, writing outdoors and just in like a tranquil environment and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 00:10:40 But now, as far as like, ideas and stuff, yeah, I spend a lot of time on the road driving with my job. So I have a lot of ideas. My phone's full of just like everybody else. My phone's full of voice memos and notes and things like that, but I could be in the shower and think of something or literally, you know, laying in bed at one o'clock at night and I'll do like a quiet raspy voice memo on my phone. Cause I don't wanna wake up my roommates and, and the next morning I'll wake up and then a haze, I'll be like, you know, that was a really good idea. Or I'll be like, why in the world did I wake up to sing that?
Speaker 1 00:11:10 It's like, it's like a blessing and a curse because your mind's just always going. I've heard Logan talk about that a lot. Yeah. Where his mind is just going all the time with, with ideas of, of writing or just music or just melodies and things like that. Like that's gotta be pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 00:11:22 Yeah, it is. You, you hear, uh, you hear phrases and things that people say and, and it gives you an idea of, dang, I need to write a song about that. I wrote a song last week called Coming or Going, and it was not necessarily about what my mom used to say, but my mom, anytime that she would be pulling the driveway when I was leaving, she'd be like, are you coming or going? Won't know, you know, am I, did I just get here or am I heading out? And so you kind of hear these sayings and then you put a play on words and you, and you take that saying and turn it into a song. So it's really cool to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 00:11:49 Yeah, no, absolutely. And now, um, for you, uh, what do you consider good songwriting? Like, who are some people that you look up to in terms of the writers that are in town? Know, you mentioned Steve Ler, who's an awesome guy. A fellow Yankee, by the way. I'll say as a Northerner, we claim Steve Boler. He's from Pittsburgh, which is cool cuz you got all you all you country boys and all these Southern guys are damn good at writing songs, but we, we'll take our Yankees when we can get him, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:12:12 Yeah. Pittsburgh guy. Yeah. So, uh, I, I,
Speaker 2 00:12:18 So a guy that went to, uh, went to my college was in my fraternity. He graduated a year before I got there. Uh, his name's Josh Miller, who's wrote, uh, if It's Meant To Be For Line, he wrote, uh, uh, more Girls Like You, the Ki Moore song. And so that was the first like songwriter that I reached out to when, whenever I was first coming to Nashville and recording stuff. Um, but as far, and I told him that day, he was like, so what do you, what do you do? What do you do? You wanna be a writer? Do you wanna be a performer? I was like, you know, I'm so new to it. I don't really know what that looks like in my mind. I want to write and sing. I wanna do both. And so, just some names that came to mind would be, you know, people like Drew Parker, uh, people like Ray Fulcher, um, you know, that Whole 50 Egg and, and that, that circle. Because a lot of the reasons why I started writing songs was hearing Luke Combs. And so I kind of get that, uh, that feel from them. They write songs that make me want to write. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1 00:13:11 Which that, that's hard to do, to get to write a song that makes somebody else wanna write that's gotta be a damn good song. And those guys and girls like, and then you throw in their like, like Fair and Rachels and Meg, Patrick Laney Wilson, like that whole group of just, yeah, I call 'em like, like the, the Midtown Revolution almost. The people that are playing on the Umbrian that you see on, uh, out on Division Street at Winners and Losers and things like that. They're just killing it right now. So that, that's gotta be a cool group to sit back and watch.
Speaker 2 00:13:36 We were, uh, we were leaving Tin Roof one night and this is when I first started, you know, getting here and writing with Logan and stuff, and, and we were walking by and Taylor Phillips was playing, which I've met Taylor Phillips and hung out with him since then. So it's, it's, uh, a little different. But then I'd only heard of Taylor, Taylor Phillips and heard his music and he was playing. I was like, dang, is that Taylor Phillips? And of course I didn't know Logan and them were like, actually friends with him and, and Jody or whatever. They're like, yeah, it's, it's Taylor. And they went and said Hey to him. I was like, dang, it's really cool. That's
Speaker 1 00:14:04 A guy. It's really cool. Yeah, that's a boy. That's a boy with, with some big cuts, with some number ones and stuff. And that's what's so cool is in this town you never know who you're gonna bump into.
Speaker 2 00:14:12 Exactly. Exactly. Especially, especially at, uh, whiskey Jam. I mean, you go up there and you see Randy Houser and Randy Travis and, and Jimmy Allen and Mitchell Tim Penny, and you know, all these people that are regulars there, uh, they're just coming out to hear good music and, and network and meet people. So it's really cool.
Speaker 1 00:14:30 Yeah. Yeah. I gotta ask you the, um, something that we've brought up a lot, most of the time with the West Tennessee guys, the barbecue that you guys have out there, this is something I don't close to Tyler's heart. Something that I've, I've grown into being down here for a little while now. Memphis Barbecue, y'all don't mess around out
Speaker 2 00:14:44 There. We don't, we don't. We have a barbecue fest, uh, that happens every year. It just happened not too long ago and it's just like a nationwide competition. Uh, it's the whole where, where actually Bill Street Music Fest, the music festival that goes on every year is it's uh, it's all in May. So like one street, one one week will be the Memphis in May Bill Street Music Festival. The next week will be like the Barbecue Fest and there's an Italian fest and there's all these things going on. And so that
Speaker 3 00:15:09 Sounds like you got up your I was
Speaker 1 00:15:10 Gonna say, I gotta go to Italian Fest. Yeah. See how you guys get down with
Speaker 2 00:15:13 Italian. It's, it's just so many tents. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tents. And some of 'em are like doubledecker tents, so like two story tents and uh, and it's just people drinking and, and smoking barbecue and so
Speaker 1 00:15:25 Yeah. That's What's your favorite, what's your favorite thing to do? Like you go to a barbecue joint, what are you getting?
Speaker 2 00:15:29 Uh, it depends. Uh, I'm a real big barbecue nacho guy, especially if it's the first time going there because it's really hard.
Speaker 1 00:15:34 Barbecue. What are bar, what are barbecue? Nachos? They're
Speaker 3 00:15:37 Nacho, but they have like barbecue,
Speaker 2 00:15:39 Barbecue sauce and cheese and jalapenos
Speaker 3 00:15:40 Sometimes pulled pork or chicken. Have you been over to, uh, smoke and thighs yet here in town? I have not. So smoking thighs has some, uh, they're kind of more of like a Texas based Yeah, like barbecue thing, but they have, they do all chicken. Oh, okay. Like they don't have any pulled pork or anything like that. Like they're all chicken first off their mac and cheese is amazing. But they have the, uh, pulled chicken barbecue nachos. Are
Speaker 2 00:16:04 They, uh, are they a white sauce? Are they a red sauce? What do they got going on?
Speaker 3 00:16:07 They're a red sauce. Okay. But they put, uh, they put cheese dip on top of it too. Oh, cheese. Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 00:16:13 There's a place down in Memphis called the Barbecue Shop and it's a hole in the wall in the middle of this little like, rundown strip. And they make their own sauce like in house every day. And their brisket is really
Speaker 1 00:16:25 Good. Are they as good as central? Cuz I've been to Central,
Speaker 2 00:16:28 So the sauce, the sauce makes it, and I think the sauce does put 'em over the top.
Speaker 1 00:16:31 Okay. Yeah. All right. That's a statement right there because the sauce does on the top, a lot of the, a lot of the boys that have been out in Memphis, like Ethan and, and I don't know those guys, they swear by Central. So that's Central
Speaker 2 00:16:40 Central's amazing. But you know, when you're in Memphis, there's like eight or nine centrals. Yeah. And it's, you
Speaker 1 00:16:46 Gotta go.
Speaker 3 00:16:47 It's like Martin Tier.
Speaker 1 00:16:48 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:16:48 Okay. So it is really good. But the barbecue shop, like it's the only one. It's the, the owner's like still working there every day he comes by your table every time you eat how hey is everything. And you can actually talk to him about like the sauce and he'll tell you like how he makes it. And they actually sell their sauce around town in Kroger, which it takes a little different because they have to put these preservatives and stuff in them to make 'em actually be able to sit on the shelf. But it's, it's phenomenal. You ever get a chance We'll, we'll take you down there. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:17:14 We'll have to, we'll have to.
Speaker 3 00:17:15 Oh yeah. We'll be making that trip for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:17:16 We'll have to that for sure. Now, growing up in Memphis with the music scene out there, did that influence you at all being around B Street?
Speaker 2 00:17:22 So I actually grew up in Jackson, Tennessee. Alright.
Speaker 1 00:17:24 Moved. So you're another Jackson boy. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:17:25 Yeah. Moved to Memphis in 2015 when I graduated. But with that being said, if I had to save like three artists that stick out in my mind growing up, one of them would be Elvis. Just because my mom literally loves Elvis. Like everything she owns is Elvis. Anything I get her for Christmas is Elvis. So definitely Memphis has some,
Speaker 1 00:17:44 Some, what's the most obscure Elvis item that she has?
Speaker 2 00:17:48 Uh, most.
Speaker 1 00:17:49 But you're mom, mom. I can't believe you have that.
Speaker 2 00:17:52 I don't know.
Speaker 1 00:17:52 Bobblehead license plate poster.
Speaker 2 00:17:54 Well, one thing I got her last year was this clock on the wall and the clock moves the bottom half. So his legs just swing like he's dancing, but it moves, like that's how it keeps time Is his legs swinging. So that's, that's pretty cool. It's right there by our desk at home
Speaker 1 00:18:09 <laugh>. Okay. That's cool. A hip swinging. Elvis. Luke, Luke Bryan will probably have one of those clots by the time he's all said and done. Yeah. Waving in his damn skinny jeans. So Elvis, who are some other, uh, influential artists for you growing up?
Speaker 2 00:18:21 Uh, yeah. So, uh, she was also a really big Kenny Chesney fan, so we listened to a lot of kidney chesney, uh, going up and down the road. And then, uh, there's a southern gospel guy or band called Brian Free and Assurance. And so
Speaker 3 00:18:35 My, uh, those guys are amazing. Yes. So
Speaker 2 00:18:37 Like Brian Free, they developed a, uh, a relationship with my dad being a pastor. And so every church that my dad was at, and then, you know, once about once a year bro free would come and, and play a concert. And so that's, he has a very unique high pitched voice. So his voice just Yeah. Stands out in my mind when I think about
Speaker 3 00:18:53 You saw that. Uh, so if you saw that video that's on YouTube, it's like, I think it's out of North Carolina, but it's like the worst gospel singer ever. No, I haven't. And he like, he like starts talking, like at the beginning, like you kind of know that it's gonna be bad cause he starts talking like mad shit. Oh no. And he was like, I've been in competitions with Brian free of Brian Free and Assurance, and like I out sang him every time and then he goes to start singing the song. That's a lie. <laugh> do. Yeah. Listen, I'll have to pull this up after like, I literally will sit there because like, especially coming from like the Christian world and all myself, like I would used to play these videos at camp Yeah. And just to like torture kids. It's great.
Speaker 2 00:19:38 So Bro Free has a song called, uh, looking For a City. And in that song there's like,
Speaker 3 00:19:42 That's actually the song he sings in that
Speaker 1 00:19:45 <laugh>. Yeah. Oh no.
Speaker 2 00:19:45 So there are like two or three chord change or like key changes where he keeps going up. And one of the things that they do in the, in the, in his actual show is they keep upping the, the key change even more so than what they actual recorded version is just to see how high he can go. And it's, you're like six or seven key changes into this and he's just like,
Speaker 1 00:20:06 He's just going and
Speaker 2 00:20:07 Still, still
Speaker 3 00:20:08 That exactly
Speaker 2 00:20:09 Every word. And so it's like, man, this is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:20:13 Except for there's like two or three key changes where the guy doesn't change the key because you like can't go higher. Yeah. It's, it's great. I'll show you after this.
Speaker 1 00:20:22 Yeah. So that, that kinda world's gotta be cool to grow up in. In terms of music, I've learned that a lot of people down here, obviously it's the buckle of the Bible belt. We were up in the northeast, we didn't, we didn't have that, you know. Yeah. Like, like I didn't know who Michael W. Smith was growing up. Yeah. I didn't know that. I didn't know that name until I came down here. And I've learned he's like a big dude and everything. So what made you wanna pursue country instead of Christian?
Speaker 2 00:20:42 Um,
Speaker 1 00:20:42 Growing up in both worlds.
Speaker 2 00:20:44 Yeah. Probably just, I don't know, one of those things being a, uh, a pastor's kid, you either want to grow up and be a pastor or you want to grow up and you just don't wanna be a pastor at all. Yeah. And I, I was in the don't wanna be a pastor at all. Like obviously, I mean, I still go to church and I still, you know, keep, keep my faith, you know, in the forefront of, of my life as best I can. But it was one of those things where, you know, the spotlight's always on you, especially as a, a preacher's kid. Like anytime you're running in the hallway when you're not supposed to be running through the hallway and they're like, and that's a preacher's kid <laugh> running through the hallway of the church. And it's like, I just didn't want, I just didn't want to, to do that. And, and
Speaker 3 00:21:22 Also these, I'm like, you mess up. Like, they're like, oh, that's your stereotypical preacher's kid.
Speaker 2 00:21:27 Yeah, exactly. Or
Speaker 3 00:21:28 PK as they call it.
Speaker 2 00:21:29 PK and, and a lot of, a lot of country music, you know, they kinda have, you know, they're, they're a Christian or, or gospel like country music all the time.
Speaker 1 00:21:40 Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:21:40 Yeah. Why I love country music because you can sing about anything and it can be, you know, relatable to, to country music or the south in general, the Bible belt, whatever it may be. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:21:53 Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. And even with a lot of the modern stuff, like it's just, there's, there's that kind of touch into it and, and then you go back to guys like Vince Gill that were really blending it like over Asty in that mountain and things like that. Like there's some heavy definitely some course
Speaker 2 00:22:07 There. Well, you look at, look at Steve Moakler, the way I ran into Steve Moakler was he did a, uh, concert with, uh, drew Holcomb and the Neighbors at, at my auditorium, at my Christian university. And he gets up there and he is playing covers. And you know, at the time I was like, you know, he has a good voice, but there's nothing that like stands out. And when he got through playing these Christian covers, he was like, I'm gonna play some of my new new stuff that I just wrote. And he said, uh, he said, uh, hold y'alls ears this, this next song that I'm gonna play has a cuss word in it. And, uh, he was like, it's called, damn, do I Think About You? And so this is the first Steve Molar song that I heard and midway through I was just like, this is phenomenal. It's like, he doesn't do all these things. He doesn't walk by these fancy stores and want to buy all this stuff, but damn do I think about you? It's just like, it, it was the first time that it grabbed me and I was like, man, this is phenomenal. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:23:00 Yeah. Now when was that moment for you where you're like, all right, I I love hearing these songs. I love the stories, these songs. Now let me sit down and write one myself. When did you write your first song?
Speaker 2 00:23:09 Yeah, so in, uh, 2015 I moved away from Jackson, which is where I was playing music with my buddy Andrew Knight. Uh, and he played guitar and I sang. And so when I moved away, he was in Jackson, I was in Memphis and music was either gonna stop or I was gonna learn how to play guitar. So I picked up a guitar, got a guitar for my birthday in 2015, and, uh, started learning how to play, started doing these, these covers and things like that. The first cover that I ever put out was Hurricane. Okay. And, uh, nobody knew I sang. And so it started getting shared and shared and shared and like a week or two later, like it was over like 10,000 plays on Facebook and like, everybody's like, oh my gosh, I didn't know you could sing and stuff like that. And so it got to a point where I was doing these, these covers and I was like, you know, this is cool and all, but maybe I could try to write my own stuff because take you back even further. When I was in high school, uh, at church, I had a buddy of mine named Brandon Jones and we started a Christian rap group called Christ Followers Productions
Speaker 1 00:24:06 Christian Rap Group.
Speaker 2 00:24:08 Yeah. It was called cfp,
Speaker 1 00:24:09 Christ Followers Productions. I'm intrigued. Where can I find that material? Because I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2 00:24:13 I have a cd I have a CD at at my house, but it was, this was, this was when, so we had everything uploaded to MySpace, so it was like everybody at my churches, it was like their cover song on their MySpace page. And it was me and Brandon. And the cool thing was, it was just like instrumentals from like well known rap songs like Yo Gotti and Young Jeezy, like these trap rap songs. And we would take the instrumentals and write a song about Jesus. So I, I was writing songs then, but it wasn't until after college when I started, you know, actually taking it serious and, and writing country songs.
Speaker 1 00:24:44 Who's the, who's the Christian rapper? You and Ko always talk about Tyler.
Speaker 3 00:24:48 Which one? There's
Speaker 1 00:24:49 One you guys Toby. Yeah. Leray. Yeah. There's one that you guys always talk
Speaker 3 00:24:52 About. Yeah. It's Lecrae like the 1 1 6 clinic. I,
Speaker 1 00:24:55 I didn't realize that Christian rap was like a thing. Oh yeah. Cause I got down here and then I started listening to, I'm like, oh, this is actually really catchy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:01 Yeah. La I
Speaker 3 00:25:03 Mean Lare Lare was top Billboard. Like overall, whenever he releases an album, like it seriously makes waves across every like community. Like it's not just like he's the first Christian artist, uh, I think since DC talk did it back in the nineties with Jesus freaking all that like crosses platforms that Well Jesus. Yeah, Jesus freak. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:26 So Lecrae does a really good job and I, and I'm, I don't listen to Cray. I haven't listen to Cray in a while. I don't listen to as much as I used to. But Lecrae does a good job of coming out with music that is not only Christian, but secular as well. So you could listen, like you, you can reach such a wide variety of audiences. So like someone who's not big into Christian music could listen to Lecrae and be like, I could listen to this. Yeah. Jumping down a row with my boys
Speaker 3 00:25:48 Also, he gets guys like Metro booming, like all those guys to produce this stuff. So he is not just like calling out like Christian guys to help him produce stuff. Like he's getting the guys that are producing, you know, for Lil Wayne g like all those guys. He blaming it. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:26:03 And he's not afraid to go into the secular world.
Speaker 3 00:26:05 No, and he's called a lot of crap for that too. Like, there's been shit shows of like people being like, I can't believe you told like even associate with this guy. Like, uh, there was a time where like there was a rumor going around that he was gonna be doing an album with Kanye. Oh wow. And he lost a ton of fans, but he also gained a ton. Yeah. Because now you're putting the Kanye fans into his bracket, you know, like Yeah. As far as like marketing and stuff like that goes, like the way he crosses over genres is brilliant.
Speaker 1 00:26:34 That's cool. So you were a Christian rapper for, for a hot minute. How long did that go on for? I'm honestly intrigued
Speaker 2 00:26:40 Man. Uh,
Speaker 1 00:26:40 Matthew mc sway the Christian rapper.
Speaker 2 00:26:43 Uh, only, only for drop
Speaker 3 00:26:44 Us some bars real quick.
Speaker 2 00:26:45 Nah, come on. I can't do that. It's been too long. Been too long. Yeah, it was, it was probably a couple years in in, uh, high school and looking back, you know, if you listen to it you'd probably throw it out the window, but at the time it was cool and all of our friends thought it was cool. And it's
Speaker 1 00:26:58 Your creativity going though that, I mean, without that maybe you're not writing the way that you're writing now. Yeah, honestly, just getting, getting that creative process going when you're in high school.
Speaker 2 00:27:06 So we had a, uh, guitar hero Mike that we would plug into his mom's computer and Nice. We would, we would rap mainly, I mean, I would, I would rap, but mainly I was just like seeing hooks and courses and things like that. Yeah. Which is kind of my go-to now. I'd come up with hooks and courses and, you know, verses two, but if the hooking course isn't right, then the song's not right, you know?
Speaker 1 00:27:26 Yeah. So Tyler usually asks this one, I'll ask it today, are you more melody or more lyric? What's kind of your mindset when you're going in? Like what's your role when you get into a writing room? Do you feel like you have a specific one or do you start
Speaker 3 00:27:37 With like a beat or do you just start like with a lyric? Or do you start
Speaker 1 00:27:41 Chords?
Speaker 2 00:27:41 So the cool, the cool thing is when I first started writing music, I didn't know how to play guitar. So everything I wrote was acapella and I would just send it to my buddy. So it's kind of like a hearing. And when it first started it was hearing a melody, hearing a chorus, hearing a hook, and then writing the song that way. But now it's more so ideas. You think of an idea and then you write a song based off of that. And depending on what the idea is, sometimes the first thing that comes is the verse. Or sometimes, you know, the first idea you have is like the hook. And so it just depends. Every, every song's different. At the beginning I would, I would probably say I was writing courses first, but Okay, yeah, now it's, now it's more so just centralized around the idea of a song, the hook of a song. And then what do you want the verse to be about, to get you to the hook? How do you want to get to the hook?
Speaker 1 00:28:27 Yeah. It's just the goal of, of getting there. You kind of set like a, like a line and like a line or like a pinpoint further down and it's how do you build Yeah. That point, which I've seen you do, I've been able to be in the room for at, for like a couple times when you've been hanging out with Ethan and Dave or some of those guys Yeah. In writing. And that's a cool process. Now what's going on for you in 2019? I know we're halfway through the year, a little bit more than halfway through the year at this point. Damn time's going by fat. Yeah, I know. But, uh, what were some of your goals coming into this year and what do you got going forward as we, uh, creep towards the end of 2019?
Speaker 2 00:28:59 Yeah, so, uh, came out with my first single in September of last year and then came out with a, a full five song ep, which had that single on there in no November of last year. And I recorded that with a, a good friend of mine, Thomas Toner, who is how I know, excuse me. You're good. Carly Rogers who, uh, cuz he, he produces Upchurch. Yeah. So that's how he met Carly. How
Speaker 1 00:29:24 Did you meet Thomas Stoner? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:25 Uh, so a buddy of mine called Chucky. His name's Chuck Cadden. Uh, he actually goes by Chuck e v, he's a rapper as well. Just, he actually last week just came out with a song that featured, uh, Upchurch on there. So go check that out. It's called Way Back <laugh>. Okay. But, uh, it's on YouTube. But anyways, he hit me up and he was like, Hey, my buddy Thomas, who producing my music is trying to, is kind of wanting to venture out and, and do some more country stuff, um, what he'd be interested in hearing some of your stuff. So I sent him some stuff, uh, got in contact with him and then that's how we, we came up here and at the time I wasn't working this job now, so when I came to Nashville it was like once every month. Once every other month.
Speaker 2 00:30:04 Yeah. And so it took forever to record those five songs, but once we got 'em out, um, and, and got 'em going, then uh, those came out, those five songs. And then December we started recording some singles. So I came out with three singles beginning of this year. Um, and then since then, getting in this, this group that I'm in, it's just a lot of songwriting. That's really what I'm focusing on right now. Which I, I messaged Thomas the other day and we're gonna get in the studio before too long and try to start demoing out, you know, cause we have like 15 or 20 songs probably that, that, that come to mind that we've written, you know, here recently. And just trying to see what kind of vibe we get in the studio and see which one we wanna roll with. Cuz in today's day and time, you know how it is, people are putting out singles left and right. Just trying to get those playlisted trying to get those listens to. So I think I'm gonna try to get a few more singles out, uh, you know, or maybe a small ep, like a two or three song EP just to get those out.
Speaker 1 00:30:57 Yeah. What's that mindset like of me and Tyler? Were actually talking about it yesterday, um, going singles versus a five or six song ep. What's that? What's your thoughts on something like that?
Speaker 2 00:31:08 Yeah, so I, I think it's really good for an artist like me or the artists that are coming up to do singles because you can get those, you can push one single a lot harder than you can on whole ep. It's, it's easier to digest one song than it is five songs. If you put out five songs or you put out five of anything, you know, you have five choices of dessert. It's gonna be, some people get this, some people get this, some people get that. Whereas if you put out one song, everybody can share that one song and everybody can listen to it and build up anticipation for the next single. And, you know, you bring in a playlist where you can, you can submit your songs to get put on playlists on Spotify and get them heard that way. So you, if you're, you can only do one at a time. So if you're doing an ep, you can't do all five songs, you can only submit one and you might mess up and submit the wrong one where one would've got on a playlist. But I,
Speaker 1 00:31:54 I can see why you're a good sales guy, by the way, <laugh> the way that you're talking about it and just presenting it. Very, very sales guy. Like good stuff right there. Um, so single is, is there one you think that'll be out before the end of the year?
Speaker 2 00:32:06 There definitely will be one out before the end of the year, uh, to say which one I'm
Speaker 1 00:32:10 Sure. Oh, no, that's a tough question. Sure. I, I know how big your catalog's getting right now.
Speaker 2 00:32:14 Definitely, definitely will have some out. We, uh, I've written some really good, good songs lately with, with Ethan and Jody and, and, uh, and Logan and, and all them. So it's been, it's been really cool. We have a a lot to, to decide as far as what I want to put out.
Speaker 1 00:32:32 Yeah, no, this is a good,
Speaker 2 00:32:33 Good, good problem to have.
Speaker 1 00:32:34 Now circling back to that West Tennessee crew of Jackson, Memphis, Martin, that whole, I just call it West Tennessee because it's all pretty spaced out, but it's all in the same kind of central area. How'd you meet those guys?
Speaker 2 00:32:44 Yeah, it is kind of crazy cuz I either followed them or knew of them for a while. Uh, before I actually met them, I met Logan, my, so my EP came out November 2nd or third. And uh, I was on my way to a Tennessee Vols game and we stopped downtown to, to just hang out that night. And we went to Whiskey Jam and I ran into, or not Whiskey Jam, I went into Whiskey Row and ran into Logan. And Logan was like, Hey man, you just put out ep, didn't you? It sounds really good. I was like, yeah. So then we got to hanging out like a month later and then that's how I met everybody.
Speaker 1 00:33:17 Met everybody through Logan, by the way, through Logan. Yeah. Go Volz by the way. Go Volz. I don't have, I don't,
Speaker 3 00:33:21 I don't have a horse roll side. I don't,
Speaker 1 00:33:23 I don't have a, I don't have a horse in the, in the big race that is the s e c, but
Speaker 3 00:33:27 So you're gonna choose the loser. That's what you're gonna choose. I'm
Speaker 1 00:33:30 Gonna choose the opposite. Just like the kid that grows my little brother's a Red Sox fan. I, me and my family we're all diehard Yankees fans. Yeah. He was the one that was like, I wanna be different. I'm gonna do that. So you know what? I can't wait for the day when the Tennessee volunteers stomp Alabama. Might be years down the road, but I can't wait for it
Speaker 3 00:33:44 To happen decades down the road. You
Speaker 1 00:33:45 Mean it's not gonna be decades. Oh man. They're getting there. They're getting there.
Speaker 3 00:33:48 Did you see the mess that was Tennessee like a couple years ago where they fired like everybody and all that kind of stuff. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 00:33:54 It's just, you guys haven't been caught yet. That's what, but
Speaker 2 00:33:56 I see the key thing. He said though, years ago, what's going on right now? Like years
Speaker 1 00:33:59 Ago up the, it was like two years ago
Speaker 2 00:34:01 Right now we're better, we're better today than we were yesterday.
Speaker 3 00:34:03 Wait, was that happened two years ago? Was that before last year? It was two
Speaker 2 00:34:06 Years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:34:07 Where like they tried to hire this coach and like the whole campus rioted, I mean, yeah. Yeah. And then like the athletic director got fired.
Speaker 2 00:34:15 We didn't want, we didn't want,
Speaker 1 00:34:16 Hey, you know what, they're on the up and up, they're getting there. Exactly like they say in Knoxville. It's a great day to be a Tennessee volunteer. It's great to be a Tennessee ball. Yes it is. Which I'm a big Virginia Tech fan. And you guys, that damn battle of Bristol Game, it was a great first quarter. I was at that game actually. I was at that game and it was a great first quarter. Tech was competing and then after that it was just rocky top every, every 10 minutes. And I was like, goddammit, I I like the song but I don't want to hear it anymore. It's like hearing the song on Broadway a million times. I'm
Speaker 2 00:34:42 Glad you like, I'm glad you said that. It is a good song. E even uh, people don't like Tennessee, so it's a good song. It's just catchy. He might not, but it's a good song.
Speaker 3 00:34:49 No, it's a good song. I from Bluegrass World, we used play that song all the
Speaker 1 00:34:51 Time. Yeah. He grew up in bluegrass, so he was singing Rocky Top whether he liked it or not. Yeah. Now real quick, who are some people that you're listening to right now on Spotify? If you were to pull up your Spotify Apple Music, who do we got on there for? The recently played,
Speaker 2 00:35:01 Let me see.
Speaker 1 00:35:03 And you're not on Twitter, are you?
Speaker 2 00:35:05 Yeah, I'm on Twitter. You
Speaker 1 00:35:06 Are? Do you, do you have any like crazy weird tweets and shit? No, all cause we did that with
Speaker 2 00:35:10 Sports.
Speaker 3 00:35:12 Did ok. Lemme me get your Twitter handle cause No,
Speaker 2 00:35:14 Uh, actually let me see
Speaker 1 00:35:16 Because we did that with Jody and Jody has some funny, so
Speaker 2 00:35:19 I had tweets when I was in college and for whatever reason my, my Twitter got and I never tweeted anything vulgar or nasty or anything like that. Yeah. My Twitter got locked out and so I started new it and since then I honestly, 95% of my tweets are about sports. It's uh, Mick Swanson for
Speaker 1 00:35:36 I know Nick Swanson. Nick Swanson. Where's the Swanson from?
Speaker 2 00:35:39 That was just what some buddies of mine called me Swanson in college in high school. Mc Swanson. Are you a Braves MCs? W a i n
Speaker 1 00:35:45 Are you, are you a Braves fan?
Speaker 2 00:35:46 No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 00:35:47 Okay. What's I'm not. No. Are you a baseball guy? Cardinals fan. Cardinal's fan. Okay. I respect that. The other team of the south. Yeah, I got it. I
Speaker 3 00:35:53 Respect that. I got it. It's crazy how 4G was the new thing a few years back. It was so fast. Now when I have four bars of 4g, my phone turns into a paperweight.
Speaker 2 00:36:03 Yeah, that's a tweet. That's a tweet mine. It's true. If you have 4g, even if it's four bars or 4g, you might as well just put your phone down cuz it does nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:36:11 Especially in Nashville. Yeah. It's like a lot of people.
Speaker 2 00:36:14 I'm convinced that 4G is not, you
Speaker 3 00:36:15 Do a lot of the Tiger Tracker. What's
Speaker 2 00:36:17 Oh, I'm a huge Tiger Woods fan.
Speaker 1 00:36:19 Oh, you're a big golf guy? Uh,
Speaker 2 00:36:20 Yeah. I I played golf in college a couple years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:36:22 Okay. We gotta get out in the links sometime. I haven't been out since I've been south. Definitely. I used to play in high school Yeah. As well. We gotta we gotta go out and do that. So
Speaker 2 00:36:29 Tiger Tracker's a guy that, I think he's employed by Golf Central like the TV show. Uh, and he just goes to every single tournament that Tiger plays in and tweets every single thing that Tiger does.
Speaker 1 00:36:42 Like every shot,
Speaker 2 00:36:43 Every literally every single shot shot. So like when he's not on tv, like cuz there's sometimes they broadcast like he'll take off eight in the morning broadcast and starts the one. Yeah. That's how I keep up with it. So I'm
Speaker 3 00:36:53 Used to be the absolute worst fake field goal I've ever seen. I'm still baffled. What was that about?
Speaker 2 00:36:59 Yeah. Uh, so somebody
Speaker 3 00:37:02 1 7 19, somebody was Oh, was that somebody
Speaker 2 00:37:05 Was talking mess about uh, yeah that was the Alabama, Georgia, uh, yeah and
Speaker 3 00:37:10 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:37:10 Yeah, I think
Speaker 3 00:37:11 That's what it was. That was bad.
Speaker 2 00:37:12 Yeah. When, when, uh,
Speaker 3 00:37:14 Georgia went for it.
Speaker 2 00:37:15 Georgia faked it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:37:16 Like
Speaker 1 00:37:17 That. There're another team that hasn't beat in Alabama. Right. Who do you hate more as a Tennessee fan? Kentucky. Oh, Florida. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:37:23 Florida. S e c hates two teams. Florida and lsu.
Speaker 2 00:37:28 Yeah. I hate Florida. I hate Alabama. But yeah, I hate Florida because the thing about Alabama is like, we can't really justify it. Like even if you hate Alabama, they're gonna beat you every year. But like Florida's always in that conversation where like Florida's the if game, like if we can beat Florida it'll be, we'll get, we'll have eight wins this year and then we get to Florida and cuz usually you play terrible teams at the beginning of the year. Yep. So
Speaker 1 00:37:50 You play
Speaker 2 00:37:50 Your cupcakes four and then you play Florida and it's like, if we can beat Florida and then we can get some momentum going to s e c play, but most of the time we don't beat Florida. So
Speaker 3 00:37:59 Also with Florida, Florida's like, I mean it's another Florida school, so like it's in the same bracket as Miami and like Florida State. Yep. Where like it's just dirty football. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1 00:38:13 I'm a Virginia Tech fan. I've grown up watching Virginia Tech Miami games and Virginia Tech Florida state games. Yeah. I How dirty, remember Brandon Spikes freaking just eye gouging people. Um, s e c he did that for years,
Speaker 3 00:38:24 Florida. I mean they brought in Tebow to try to clean up their look, but even then that team, like
Speaker 1 00:38:28 It was still dirty Percy. It was still bad. Percy Harvin, Chris Rainey, all those guys. Well
Speaker 3 00:38:32 You had Hernandez on that team.
Speaker 1 00:38:33 Hernandez was on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:38:35 Yeah. I think he was <laugh>. He was, he was.
Speaker 1 00:38:39 So, so real quick, who you listen to do on Spotify? On Spotify, Tyler guys all distract, all distracted with that damn tweeter thing.
Speaker 2 00:38:45 Well I listened to your podcast this morning, Jody was
Speaker 1 00:38:47 There. Awesome. I appreciate by the way, I appreciate the support we both do. Yeah. Of that you've had for the podcast going way back. We've had a lot of mutual friends that we've had on here. Definitely. So we appreciate you listening and shouting us out.
Speaker 2 00:38:58 Definitely. Uh, I got a write later this afternoon with Bailey man, so I played some Bailey Mans on the way over here just trying to get in the, the right mindset. Okay. You know <laugh>? Yeah. Uh, Ethan Willis, uh, the New Machine Gun Kelly album.
Speaker 1 00:39:09 Okay. So you, so you throw on some hip hop and some rap. You like that stuff.
Speaker 2 00:39:14 I also play, uh, I also play weekend softball and so yesterday we won, uh,
Speaker 1 00:39:18 I saw that. Congratulations. We
Speaker 2 00:39:19 Won a state championship yesterday and we won the one a couple weeks ago. So we played some Drake back to back to celebrate. So Drake's on there. Uh, I co-wrote on a song called Saturdays Before The Boys with Hunter Jordan and Ethan Willis. And that came out this week. So that's on there. Yep.
Speaker 1 00:39:32 Congrats on that.
Speaker 2 00:39:33 Yep. Muske down Bloodline some Nas or Nas.
Speaker 1 00:39:36 Now, you know, Tyler's connection with that, right?
Speaker 2 00:39:39 With who? Oh yeah. Must.
Speaker 1 00:39:40 Yeah. So he's out on the road with those boys. What are your thoughts on those guys? Because those are two country guys that are just doing it.
Speaker 2 00:39:46 So one of the first, actually the first Luke Combes concert I went to was in Iron City in, uh, in Alabama and Musco down Bloodline. And Joby Fortner opened up, was Joby playing acoustic and then Musco down opened up before, uh, Luke Combes. And, uh, they're phenomenal. Yeah. Uh, I really like 'em a lot. Even their old stuff, you know, you can tell there's a difference between their old stuff and their new stuff now. But yeah, they're, they're really good, really solid guys. They compliment each other really well.
Speaker 3 00:40:11 Yeah, that's great. All right, before we wrap this up, I do have this trio of tweets. Oh, that are gold. Gosh. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 00:40:19 That's why I don't have a Twitter. By the way,
Speaker 3 00:40:21 This is all within a month of each other too. So the first one, ESPN has the dumbest stats. Like Raan Rondo is the first player who scored 13 points, grabbed 10 round rebounds and spit in Chris Ball's face in the same game. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:40:35 It's true. It's true. And that'll be a headline.
Speaker 3 00:40:38 Idk. What's worse? Florida fans booing their quarterback or Frank scoring and telling Florida fans to shut up.
Speaker 1 00:40:44 True. That's true. They do.
Speaker 3 00:40:45 And now here's the good one. Oh my God. Just got passed by a woman with an Alabama sticker on the back glass. She gave me the look like I was driving too slow. Two miles later she's on the shoulder with blue lights in her rear view. Saw your roll tide. Hashtag go vols.
Speaker 2 00:41:00 Slowly Roll tide. That is, that's good.
Speaker 3 00:41:02 That was good. That was good.
Speaker 1 00:41:04 That's a good one right there. What if people follow on Twitter where Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:41:07 Where Nick Swanson for? I also have a Instagram. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:41:10 Matthew.
Speaker 2 00:41:10 Matthew McSwaine Do music, I believe is is what it is. Got a Facebook too. Matthew McSwaine music. So
Speaker 1 00:41:17 Awesome man. You
Speaker 2 00:41:18 Can find it all there. No,
Speaker 1 00:41:19 We're gonna have you grab the guitar. What song you wanna play for us today?
Speaker 2 00:41:23 Uh, probably gonna play a song that I wrote with my buddy, uh, Ethan. I also wrote with Jody and my buddy, um, Joseph Chesky. Uh, we wrote a song called She Got Over Me.
Speaker 1 00:41:36 Yeah, I've heard this one. It's frick it's a fricking banger. Yeah, that's what I love too. I love being around what you guys do as songwriters and just randomly I'll get a text from Ethan or I'll get a text from say Tyler, I'll get a text from Dave or, or some of our other friends and it'll just be a work tape and I'm like, oh boy, I got something new to listen to on the way home and every It sounds good, dude. It's, it's awesome. So appreciate it. Keep doing what you're doing bro. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Speaker 2 00:41:58 Yeah, it's been awesome. Thank you guys for having me. It's a bucket list.
Speaker 1 00:42:01 No bucket list. Oh shit. Hear that Tyler. We're on somebody's bucket list. Usually I'm on, it's my first podcast.
Speaker 2 00:42:06 You
Speaker 1 00:42:06 Know, usually I'm on a shit list, not a bucket list. So I'll take what I can get. Yeah, yeah. Tyler, another one in the books brother. Yep. Um, where can people go to find us?
Speaker 3 00:42:14 Uh, you can go to Instagram in the round podcast. If you want a personal page, it's at Matt bar, at just a wandering. Tyler,
Speaker 1 00:42:23 Does it sound like wandering or wandering?
Speaker 2 00:42:26 Don't ask me. Ask me. You. Am I, what am I, are you saying, are you saying whatever or, or whatever. I'm like, yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm
Speaker 3 00:42:34 Saying. Yeah. And then isn't
Speaker 2 00:42:36 Me saying thank or thank, I'm like, yes. I'm saying thank
Speaker 1 00:42:40 So you're Southern English
Speaker 3 00:42:41 And then, uh, Facebook in the round. Um, we don't have a Twitter yet.
Speaker 1 00:42:46 Oh. Tyler's in the process of wanting to make one though. And I, I'm scared of what's gonna be on me. That's all you, that's all producer. Tyler. Freaking putting all this stuff
Speaker 3 00:42:53 On. See if we have an in the album podcast. We're just going to like roast people on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:42:56 We're just gonna roast. Oh yeah. Tyler's got like four troll accounts, by the way. He had five, but one of 'em just got recorded
Speaker 3 00:43:01 And I really went after roll.
Speaker 2 00:43:02 So if I get, if I get any requests after this, I gotta be on the look at it might be a,
Speaker 1 00:43:06 It might be a Tyler, a Tyler Las Sarge. I
Speaker 3 00:43:08 Haven't done that to anybody yet. Like I'll follow you on my personal account, but I haven't went after anybody yet on the podcast.
Speaker 1 00:43:14 He went after, um, old Town
Speaker 3 00:43:16 Road. I went after Old Town Road really heavy the other night. And uh, yeah, that, that account called a lockout block.
Speaker 2 00:43:23 Oh, he got a little flag.
Speaker 3 00:43:24 Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Oh man, I didn't get a flag. I got a, like, injection from Twitter. Oh no. Like I do not have access to that account anymore, so
Speaker 1 00:43:33 Yes. So be on the lookout for Tyler's troll accounts. Matthew McSwain, check him out. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. You got the EP out, you got all kinds of stuff. And hopefully a new single out sooner rather than later. Definitely by the end of the year. And now here he is with one that he wrote with some of our good buddies. This one is called She Got Over Me. Thanks for listening. The In the Round podcast.
Speaker 3 00:43:54 Roll tight.
Speaker 4 00:43:59 Knock on the morning. Who Tennessee? The, I got, can't believe she didn't the, I got the keys to truck Keys Strap. Foot Keys, foot.
