Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:12 What is up? How we doing? Welcome back to the In the Round podcast, episode seven.
Speaker 2 00:00:18 Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 1 00:00:19 Episode. Lucky number seven. You got Matt and Tyler. You also got the Dakota Bear over there taking pictures. Get that camera outta my face there, boy. And we've also got the podcast and uh, they're currently hiding. Oh, nevermind. I see Cake. Cake is over by the washing machine in the basement studio here in Nashville, Tennessee. They're sitting out of our way tonight.
Speaker 2 00:00:36 Yeah, they're being really pleasant. Talking about Pleasant though. What about this weather we've been having lately? Man?
Speaker 1 00:00:42 Dude, it is so warm. It is crazy. We, what
Speaker 2 00:00:45 Are you talking about? This is spring.
Speaker 1 00:00:46 We're recording this at eight o'clock and it is 81 degrees outside. That's right. 81 degrees at something I'm not used to. Hey, here, still like 30, 40 something at night. Back home, dude.
Speaker 2 00:00:56 Yeah, dude. But during the like summer here, 93 is gonna be low at night. Okay. So you just get ready. You ain't gonna be wearing those boots and pants much longer.
Speaker 1 00:01:05 I don't know what I'm gonna do. Y'all are gonna be seeing my hairy ass legs. But anyway, speaking of the south and Southern nights, somebody that knows a thing or two about the good old heat that's down here is a good old boy. And his name is Logan Garner. He's our guest on this week's episode. He's the guy you've gotten to co-write with, huh? Tyler?
Speaker 2 00:01:19 Yeah, man, he's a great writer. He always brings a new perspective and a new way to look at things and that's always great to having a write, especially when we get stuck, you know, he'll say something and it'll just push us in the direction that we've been looking for and you know, really kind of fast forward that right for us.
Speaker 1 00:01:35 Yeah, he's a guy that's very talented, uh, got started by playing the drums and all that. So he's a very big musical guy and, uh, he's from West Tennessee out in the Martin, Tennessee area, so we talk about that quite a bit. Music
Speaker 2 00:01:47 Runs in his blood, music
Speaker 1 00:01:48 Does run in his blood and uh, he's got a very co, very cool story to tell. And at the end of it, uh, an original song called Good Enough Lately that he was kind enough to share with us. So very, very cool stuff coming up. Y'all sit back, enjoy Tyler, hit that music. It's time to go in the round with our good buddy Logan Garner.
Speaker 1 00:02:20 What is up everyone? Welcome back to the end of the round podcast. You got Matt Tyler, the podcast, the whole crew hanging out and we got a special guest with us, a guy that we know from working down on Broadway. A guy that we know can write a damn good song. A guy that I've gotten to go out on the road with quite a bit, A guy named Logan Gardner. Tennessee's. Oh, Logan, how you doing buddy? Great. How are y'all doing? Doing all right. It's Monday. We were out having another Sunday nights for just our crazy nights for some people. They party on Friday nights and Saturday nights for us, we party on Sunday nights. Well,
Speaker 2 00:02:50 For us, I mean, Sunday night is our Friday night, you know, that's when my work weekends, it's
Speaker 1 00:02:55 What it's like the middle of my work week. So I like, I gotta go to work after we record this right now. And I'm like still kind of hurt, but at the same time there's just something about going out on on Broadway and just getting a little
Speaker 3 00:03:05 While. Doesn't take time to do it, but yeah, I mean, Monday's just another day we're still working. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:10 Do you, does, do you have this, like I have this problem where I forget what day it is, but since I've moved down here and the five months that I've been down here, seems like every day just kind of rolls into it. You forget what day of the week it
Speaker 3 00:03:19 Is. Yeah, I mean I work any day of the week and it doesn't matter, I just have days off when I have days off and don't even really think about it until I go to do something and realize it's like, oh this is just a Tuesday or a Wednesday. I hate
Speaker 2 00:03:32 The places that you're like, oh, I'm gonna go there today and they're closed on like Monday and Tuesday. But that's my, like Chick-fil-A
Speaker 3 00:03:38 Is the only thing I'm really upset about. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:03:40 Right. Why? I mean, I get why that is, but I mean,
Speaker 2 00:03:43 Every time you come into work, pretty much you have a Chick-fil-A Cup.
Speaker 1 00:03:45 Now I've heard something about Saturday nights at Chick-fil-A are supposed to be this like big ordeal or this like special thing. Have you guys ever heard of that? I heard somebody mentioning
Speaker 2 00:03:53 It. They do a college night there. So if you take your ID to the one, there's one in town that's Saturday and there's one in town that's Monday night. If you take your college ID and you buy a large drink, large fry, you get a chicken sandwich or an eight count
Speaker 3 00:04:05 For free. So done that one. I'm in college.
Speaker 1 00:04:07 You right. I mean, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2 00:04:09 I still, I didn't, I still have my ID and it doesn't expire and I still use it. We
Speaker 3 00:04:12 Didn't Chick-fil-A where I was at, so I didn't get
Speaker 1 00:04:14 To Yeah, no. Speaking of where that's close enough. Speaking of where you were at, uh, got to go out and uh, experience West Tennessee with you a couple weeks
Speaker 3 00:04:20 Back. Yeah. You got to see, uh, a lot of things that take place in the area. It's not much going on, but there's a lot going on. So
Speaker 1 00:04:26 Let the people know where exactly you from. Uh, it's
Speaker 3 00:04:28 A little town called Ruthford, Tennessee. It's in Gibson County, um, about two and a half hours directly west of Nashville. Um, middle of nowhere Right. On a national wildlife refuge. So it's like probably some of the best ground you'll see, um, on that side of the country. You're not far from the Mississippi River, so all the river bottoms flow through there. So it's pretty nice. A lot of row crop and just open country for the most part. Not as much pavement as there is here.
Speaker 1 00:04:59 Yeah. That drive out there, just going 40 west and picking it up in Jackson.
Speaker 3 00:05:03 Yeah. Once you get to Jackson and then you leave Jackson, you're like, where are the hell am I,
Speaker 1 00:05:06 Where am I? There's all these businesses just on the side of the road and there's just all this stuff coming from where I'm from. We, we don't have that, you know, like that is the country you're in. Yeah. You grew up that country lifestyle.
Speaker 3 00:05:18 What's crazy is all of that, you know, 10 or 15 years ago was even more developed than it is now. Not in the sense of like just having buildings, but like businesses were, you know, thriving there, but a lot of those people were a lot older, so there was, you know, a lot more jobs there a long time ago. But now it's, you know, if you're not a farmer or own a local business, you, you know, it's kinda hard to find something to do.
Speaker 1 00:05:41 Yeah. Now Martin Tennessee, that's where we got to go. You were playing with uh, our good buddy, uh, Ethan Willis. Yeah. Who opening up for uh, back road therapy and a guy that some people might know named John Langston at a place called Sliding Ride. Yeah. You were telling us that place can get rowdy and uh, Martin Tennis. Yes. Flat Rod has,
Speaker 3 00:05:57 Yeah, they could get rowdy, but it, uh, it's a good venue I have
Speaker 1 00:06:00 To say. It's an awesome
Speaker 3 00:06:01 Venue. I, um, I'm glad to see that that's there. Um, it's taken a good turn over the past couple years that they've developed that into what they have, but they've got a really good stage, um, and a lot bigger venue than what I thought. Um, but also I've never seen that place packed out like it was that night. So that's good that it just gives me hope that there's still stuff like that, that in that part of town or that part of the area that, you know, so many people can come out just for that one thing because it's hard to get a lot of people together and that cuz everybody wants to go where there's more people and not, you know, just be where they're at. So that was pretty cool to me to see that there's that many, you know, college kids and adults that want to come out to a venue in that area and just listen to music.
Speaker 3 00:06:48 That to me was pretty exciting cuz I've never had that. I mean I've, I've seen that stuff around there, but you have to drive like, you know, 30 minutes to, you know, Jackson for, they've been having concerts at the, um, diamond Jacks or Jackson Generals I guess it is now. It used to be Diamond Jacks, but that was like the biggest place you could go for a concert. Martin Tennessee was really not that, um, any of those areas in there weren't, I mean we had our own parties of course, but Oh yeah. Like it's, they never turned out to be like that.
Speaker 1 00:07:17 And my two favorite parts of that, that um, that like 24 to 36 hours that I was out there in west Tennessee with you guys, rural King. That was awesome. I had no idea a place like that existed where Tractor Supply Walmart had a baby where you can get groceries and buy chickens in the same building and they have free popcorn and they, it it was just, it was an experience. I'd never been around that.
Speaker 3 00:07:38 I was kind of upset that Rule King, uh, kind of got si um, city, city on us. They didn't have any camo overalls. I was pretty upset about that. Yeah, y'all shout, shout out to Rule King. You, you know, step your game up a little bit. <laugh>, you used to have 'em and you don't have 'em anymore.
Speaker 1 00:07:52 Yeah. And then the other spot was Huddle House.
Speaker 3 00:07:54 Yeah. Which was, that was a disaster.
Speaker 1 00:07:56 <laugh> that was post post-show hanging out.
Speaker 3 00:07:59 I knew better, but we went anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:08:01 Huddle House is never a good idea. It was a, it was, it was a, it was a time. So now the songwriting thing, the reason we got you in here, how'd you, uh, how'd you get into doing what you're doing today?
Speaker 3 00:08:10 So I always did music, uh, kind of come from a musical family. Um, my grandparents always sang and always had good music playing. My parents always listened to good music. Um, my great grandparents were musicians. Um, so it kind of passed down through the family. Nobody really did anything with it except, you know, my great grandparents. Um, my great granddad was in a rockabilly band back in the fifties with my little cousin, um, who's now a really good guitar player. Um, but me and him were the only two that actually got I guess the musical traits outta that. I mean my parents can definitely like sing and they know what like what they hear, they could probably sing it but they just never did anything with it, I guess you'd say. Um, my sister, she's an athlete, she could probably sing. I feel like she could, she just doesn't wanna do it.
Speaker 3 00:09:02 Um, but you know, I don't ever take pride in singing but just kinda getting to the writing concept of it. Um, I was doing music all through when I was little. My parents wanna put me in voice lessons and I was like, no, I wanna play drums. So drums kinda led to the, the whole writing thing before it got said and done. Um, I just wanted to tell a story and just kinda just dip out of what, you know, everything else is going on, uh, in everyday life or you know, be able to go back and and kind of talk about what you've done. Or for me, I guess it's when I hear a song I can remember where I heard it when I heard it. Like it kind of pulls back like things that you take from that. Not only just like the story it's telling itself, but you can kind of have your own story to it and relate to it when that song was like when you, when you first heard it, I guess you would say.
Speaker 1 00:09:56 Okay. And a songwriting thing that's more your department, Tyler. So with the songwriting stuff for you is it, are vibes a real thing when you're sitting and writing? Like of course like where you gotta like be in a certain mindset when you're sitting down writing.
Speaker 3 00:10:09 Of course. Yeah. You can't, you can never be like, Hey I'm gonna do, you can't force a single thing, uh, when it comes to that because if not it's like unnatural. So you definitely wanna like the whole concept of like writing is like getting the things that are natural that that come easy that you wanna say not you're like forcing yourself to say.
Speaker 2 00:10:28 And even like with that, like there's some times where you get in a room with some guys and you know you wanna write a certain type of song and there's some guys that can write, you know, certain types of songs but they don't do it well with others. So, you know, it's all about getting in the room with the right people at times and you know, vibing on the same thing and being in the same mindset. I had a teacher that said, you know, basically we're pulling words out of air, you know, and I mean that's what songwriters are doing. They're like, it's like they're buzzing around you, there's vibes around you and all that kind of stuff and you're just pulling 'em out of air and putting 'em on paper so you're making what is already there, you know, kind of around you actually physical and manifesting it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:11:11 Is there like a certain place you enjoy riding? I know you got to be back home
Speaker 3 00:11:14 For a little. Yeah, when I was home I actually went out for a good bit and kind of rode around our farm and just rode down some old old roads I used to hang out on and ripping romp and just kinda, you know, took the time to just zone out for a little bit. And I always wanted to write something about that like a long time ago. But being able to, now that I've been where I, where I've been over the past couple years and like knowing how to like capture that and put it into like those words, like I feel like I had a better take on that. Like the things I looked at, like the sensory details of what, like what was going on. I feel like I have a better grasp on how to say what I actually want. Like I've been wanting to say.
Speaker 3 00:11:53 Um, but I actually was in high school I was taking a college level writing class, which was for English and I kept writing these papers that were like, you know, five to six page essays we had to do. We eventually worked up to like a 12 I think or something, 12 page essay. And the whole time I got like the first three I got back, I made like forties and fifties and I was just like, why am I not like, I feel like this is good detail, but why am I not getting my point across to this? And then I sat down with my teacher and she kinda explained to me, she was like, you just have to, you know, justify everything you say for it to make sense, to be able to, to get that person to give every detail I guess you would say. So that kind of taught me that writing class kind of got me wanting to write more so I could get better at it, not necessarily just doing the music part of it. So. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:12:44 As the podcast jump in and uh, Mr. Felix pops up and uh, says hi to, says hi to Mr. Logan and Carter. Yeah, he's here. So when did, uh, when would you say you wrote your first song where you were like, I could actually see myself or somebody else singing this? Like when did it come out as a song? Cause you're taking the writing classes and
Speaker 3 00:13:00 Probably in high school. I mean I wouldn't say that they were just like full songs at that point, but they were definitely like either like, not necessarily poems but melodies and
Speaker 1 00:13:10 Felix is all up in your grill, Felix, come here, get out
Speaker 3 00:13:14 Melodies and stuff like that that I just put together and ended up, you know, I'd always be humming something or uh, playing around with something on piano or you know, always had something in my head. So that was kind of the point in high school that I was just really starting to like get that stuff out. Um, and I take it, I went back and looked at stuff I've written and I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 00:13:32 Yeah. Do you remember, do you remember your first song?
Speaker 3 00:13:34 I do, yeah. What
Speaker 1 00:13:35 Was it about, if you don't mind sharing
Speaker 3 00:13:37 Man, it was, it was almost, I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1 00:13:43 Sensory, sensory detail. What do you got? <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:13:46 Oh, it was kind of the basic stuff that you heard on the radio at that point. It was like I wanted to do something like that. Um, you know, like being at a football game or doing, you know, just stuff like ripping it, roping down like in the country. What does
Speaker 1 00:13:59 Ripping and romping mean by the way? You said
Speaker 3 00:14:01 Ripping around, like driving around, wasting time, you know,
Speaker 1 00:14:04 Just killing time.
Speaker 3 00:14:05 You decide you wanna get outta the truck and go look for a deer or a Turkey or
Speaker 1 00:14:08 Now you drive a Chevy. Have you always been a Chevy guy? Cause I know down here trucks are always, trucks are important. Like always there's the Ford guys, there's your Chevy guys, I'm a Ford guy. Those that are driving Toyotas out there and the Nissans are obviously big here and in the Nashville area I've
Speaker 3 00:14:22 Had three Silverados,
Speaker 1 00:14:24 Three Silverados. What was your first one?
Speaker 3 00:14:26 It was a 1988.
Speaker 1 00:14:28 Oh, a classic.
Speaker 3 00:14:29 Yeah, it was an old one but kept it. And then um, we had a 98 which was like extended cab Z 71 and then I got my newer one but I don't, I'll always have a Chevy. But no, just ripping and offing is just kind of getting where you wanna go and not not having any limits to it I guess you'd say. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:14:51 I'm sure. I'm sure some ideas come outta that when you're just by yourself. They do. Cause a lot of, a lot of people, I've heard a lot of people say that some of their best ideas come from when they're just driving. Like when they're just, when you're just by yourself and just kind of going, yeah,
Speaker 3 00:15:03 There's days I drive with just no radio on and I think that's the best. I think that's sometimes good to just drive in silence and not not think about anything else that's going on.
Speaker 2 00:15:13 Yeah. You know, and a lot of times whenever you're driving there's, you know, with nobody else there, there's nobody else to interrupt you and you're kind of in a bubble. Um, I forget sometimes that people can hear you outside your car and so I'll be, you know, singing away of something and I get like a look at a stoplight and I'm like, oh yeah, they can
Speaker 1 00:15:30 Actually, oh you're that guy that I'll like look at. Oh, jamming. I'm
Speaker 3 00:15:33 Definitely that guy too. If not, I'm like, I have drumsticks like sitting in traffic playing drums really like on my steering wheel. So yeah. Yeah. But
Speaker 2 00:15:41 It's like one of the few places like in public that's still your own kind of personal bubble that you know, nobody can kind of hear what's going on in there.
Speaker 3 00:15:50 Yeah, people always ask me, they're like, what's one of your, you know, most favorite places to be? And I was like, other than my bed, probably my truck. Okay. Because I mean it's just, I don't know, it's, I had a buddy that he always joked around, he's like, this is my safe haven. He's like, nothing bad has ever happened in his vehicle. And then he was like, I don't know, I'm just in it a lot. And I was like, yeah, I feel like I'm the same way because I'm literally probably in my truck more than I am at my house sometimes cuz I'm always going somewhere. Yeah. You know, I'm always either I'm going to work or I'm going to ride or going here to do this or you know, doesn't matter. I mean I'm in that thing all the time.
Speaker 1 00:16:25 Now with writing Nashville, obviously a big thing here is co-writing. Yeah. How, what was your first experience like with that coming from coming from West Tennessee where you're kind of doing your own thing and then you get the music quality
Speaker 3 00:16:35 Here? Yeah, so it was basically just uh, meeting up with people that I knew that lived here, uh, right off the bat. Um, as soon as I moved to town, I just called a couple people up that I knew that were, they were trying to be artists. They weren't really trying to be songwriters but um, we sat down and just kind of jammed around on guitar and then I was like, let's just write a song. And then that's kind of what started it here, I guess you would say. Going through those people. I would meet other people and network through them and that's pretty much it. Just finding people that you wanna write with, that you have similar interests and hearing their tone, like their own voice of what they try to get out and what their style is and kind of mixing and matching that. Like I don't think that, I think that anybody that writes songs has a, you know, a craft now their style and how what they put on it is their own thing. Like, I like more rockier, edgier, I guess you would say, um, blues this country in a way more than some people like pop or some people like jazz I guess you would
Speaker 1 00:17:35 Say that comes from the rockabilly with your fam within your family or comes from
Speaker 3 00:17:38 West. Yeah, it's just the music I grew up on. I mean I listened to More Rock. There were always, there was really like Rock 90 23 was like the biggest rock station and they actually got rid of it in I think 2000, like eight. I was really upset about that. Uh, and I thought that was so funny cuz I saw this thing that Jason Isabel um, put, I think it was 1 0 1 the beat or some other May well not be 1 0 1, but it was some other station in Nashville that is now a different station. But it was the biggest rock station in Nashville for like 40 years and then they changed it. So I, when I read that, I just laughed. I was like, that's funny cuz now 92 3 is just like, I think it's static.
Speaker 1 00:18:15 Yeah. It's just not there.
Speaker 3 00:18:16 Yeah. But it was a really good rock station so that my grandparents always had 92 3 on. So
Speaker 1 00:18:22 What bands were, what bands were playing on? Uh, 90?
Speaker 3 00:18:24 Oh, there was everything. 93. You had like Van Halen, you would have, uh, Def Leopard, like Black Sabbath would play here and there. Um, so a lot of classics. Okay. Yeah, I mean you had all kind of different stuff. It was ranging from like the eighties to nineties, uh, nothing, nothing under the nineties or I mean nothing over the nineties. So it kind of stopped at like Aerosmith and stuff like that. Uh, but it went back to Pink Floyd and kind of Eric Clapton and all he played and The Eagles. You would have just all the good stuff that you could possibly think of from that era before you got to like rock, like hard Rock I guess you would say in the nineties.
Speaker 1 00:19:01 Yeah. So with, with that, I mean I'm sure there's, and right now there's a lot of crossover in country music. There is, there's people trying to label what's country and what's not and it's, it's crazy, you know, it's, well I mean in a sense
Speaker 3 00:19:13 That's happened here recently with this Old Town Road song. Um, I saw somebody post about that earlier that everybody's, you know, mad because it was in the country chart. And I, at this point, this is one of the things that I really kinda get aggravated about is because you can't tell somebody that, like when I heard this I was like, oh I've gotta talk about this today. Yeah. Uh, when you hear something like that and you look at lyrics just because the lyrics, I mean the lyrics are country, they tell just as much of a country story or whatever you could possibly think would be country in nowadays time cuz it's so much of a crossover. But it has a like a pop beat like hip hop beat, you know, it has eight oh eights, it has different like perks that are scenario sounds that make it sound hip hop, but yet the lyrics are country and it tells a like a story, like it has country attributes to it that people are trying to say it doesn't deserve to be on country radio. And I think it does
Speaker 1 00:20:08 And especially even with the title,
Speaker 3 00:20:09 I think it does a hundred percent. It's a cool song. Like if you read the lyrics to it, you would, you could probably sit down on guitar and play it and somebody be like, oh that's just a cool country song. Like, not like Twangy Country, but they'd be like, oh it sounds like everything else on the radio right now. And it does, it's had the same beat that everything else has had. Yeah. Like for the past five years it's just added like 8 0 8 s and added a couple more things to it. But it's still the same like skeleton. And
Speaker 2 00:20:34 That's one of those things that, you know, a lot of people are afraid of change and all that kind of stuff cuz you know, even whenever like Florida Georgia line and all those guys came around and Sam Hunt and all them like, you know, they were said, oh that's not country and all that kind of of stuff. You know. So it's one of those things that as we progress forward and when you start to blend more lines of genres, which we are doing a lot, especially with the invention of Spotify and SoundCloud and all those platforms, you know, you're gonna have to really, a lot of the genre lines are getting blurred to where you can fit it into a bunch of different stuff because people are drawing more influence from everything else. They're not necessarily just sitting there and saying, okay, well for the to be a country song that's gotta have steel dobro. Right.
Speaker 3 00:21:18 You can't
Speaker 2 00:21:19 Guitar and it's gotta talk about it
Speaker 3 00:21:21 Close things in for, you can't keep it in a box for it to say, I mean you can do it all day, but it's gonna be cookie cutter and it's gonna be about like the pop music that's on country radio.
Speaker 2 00:21:30 I mean even back in the day the Beatles were the same way. You know, like they did a lot of stuff where like whenever you were recording, like you had certain people that could go in and set up mics and it was like a certain distance and like there was all this kind of stuff and they went in and totally changed the game of recording because they would come in late at night with their producer and they would experiment with everything, you know, like
Speaker 3 00:21:53 Yeah. They found their own sound.
Speaker 2 00:21:54 Right. And whenever people heard it, they went crazy. And that's why the Beatles who were wore, who they were, you know, it's because they experimented and they weren't afraid to cross a line and say, okay, well you've told me to do it this way for this many years, but what if we did it this way? And it's, you
Speaker 3 00:22:09 Know. Yeah. And it's breaking that barrier and that's kind of like, that's my take on what I want to do. I don't want, I never wanna write anything that's average and I never want to like have anything that is styled as average or, or just, you know, veering on. It's not innovative. I want everything to be innovative in a way that, yeah, it sounds different, it might catch your ear, but that's the whole reason I wanted to do it. And lyrically like when I write lyrics on a page, like I want anybody to be able to read 'em and be like, oh, okay, this makes total sense because it should, you shouldn't have meaningless lyrics. I mean, if not, it's not music I guess you would say. Now are you lyrics or melodies first or do you not even like to put label on that? Uh, I don't know man. It's just mood kind of, it kind of determines on what's going on. Cuz there's days I can just have melodies and I can be humming something and then sit down and write words to it. But then there's days that I sit and write words and I'm like, oh, I can't find a melody to save my life. But the words themself make sense.
Speaker 2 00:23:02 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:23:03 So that's kind of, um, that is just a mood thing I think. Um, I know other people can come up with Melo. I know guys that can spit off words all day with melodies and I was like, I wish I could do that, but some days they can. So, you know, I can't do it every day. But I know people who can that are really talented at that, that they might hum a melody for hours and not be able to come up with a word. And I can sit there and write the words for it cuz I need. So that's kind of how the co-writing thing does come into play a lot more is that you might have somebody who has a strong point in this or that somebody might be able to play guitar better so you can come up with a better melody.
Speaker 3 00:23:39 Um, somebody might be stronger lyrically, um, and they can, you know, help. You might have good ideas, but they might help you encapsulate those into what you want. So with a team of people that I write with, I feel like that's kind of our mix, the blend, we know what we're good at, we know what we're bad at, and we're always like constantly helping each other like get better at things. So that's the best part is that, you know, you find those weaknesses and you know what goes for this person, for this person. And then at the end of the day you end up coming out with, you know, good songs because you know, you know, you're b you know, if somebody says no that you're not gonna get it, you know, butt hurt over it. Yeah. Because you know you're not good at that. Yeah, exactly. You know, they're better at that. Like, you know that, but also at that same time, you learn from that in that same timeframe that you can take and build on that and make it make what you're weak at better.
Speaker 1 00:24:28 Yeah. Do you remember your first co-write?
Speaker 3 00:24:30 I do.
Speaker 1 00:24:31 What was that? What was that experience like?
Speaker 3 00:24:33 Um, well it was with my friend Olivia, uh, here in town. She was from Kentucky. I met her. So she had a couple songs she had just come out with and I was like, let's try to write one. Um, she was like, do you have any ideas? And I was like, yeah, I have this kinda idea. This thing's been like weighing on me. And I was like, have I been good enough lately? And like that ended up becoming the title of our song. Um, because we were always like, we're always in the hustle and bustle. Like we feel like we have to like neglect our friends. We feel like we have to, you know, stay in on the weekends. And I definitely feel like that I, I feel like I have to stay home a lot and it's not because I don't wanna go out, it's just because I have to rest. Like, if I could have the energy to go out all the time, I would. But, you know, working
Speaker 1 00:25:19 Where it wears you down, by the way, working in writing. Yeah. You're not missing out on much going out, going out all the
Speaker 3 00:25:24 Time. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you, I don't wanna be seen out all the time. I don't think that it's, it's good to have your face seen, but you know, you can't be out all the time. Um, I, so I, I do like kind of being a hermit in that sense that I like staying in. If I have the chance to sleep, I'm gonna do it <laugh>. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:25:41 <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:25:41 So that, that kind of talks about that in that song. Uh, like catching up on sleeping and uh, and kind of just grinding and taking your time to, to do you and ask yourself if you've been good enough. Like, you know, what could I do to make myself better? So that's kinda what that song turned out to be. And it ended up turning out great. Um, it was me, her, and a girl named Lydia Dial. Um, so we ended, that was the first time I met Lydia. That was the first time I really wrote with Olivia at all. Um, you know, we'd have played show, I think we played a show at one point together, but we never like wrote a song. So us three sat down and I was with a total stranger. Like, I didn't know. So I think that's cool too, because you don't like riding with people you don't know in a way is kind of great because you, you might end up having differences, but you're probably gonna, you know, settle on the same thing. So before it's said and done.
Speaker 1 00:26:34 Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I gotcha. So for you, did you come here wanting to write or did you come here wanting to play?
Speaker 3 00:26:39 I come here wanting to play drums, but in the midst of all that, I was still writing songs of course. But in the midst of all that kind of playing drums, I really loved to do. But it ended up not being, it's creative, take it, but also you can only play, you know, a snare, a tom, uh, a bass in symbols. So you kind of get limited in a, to me, I felt like I, it wasn't musical enough for me. Like it is. And it isn't like I still love to play drums, but like, I'm not able to tell a story the way I wanna tell it. I'm playing somebody else's stuff and that's fine. But I think that kind of wore me down to the point that I was like, oh, this is not enough for me. I wanna do something more that's more fulfilling, like for myself. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:27:24 That's kind of where for me, you put like production came in with Right. Being producer and doing sound and stuff was, you know, I came as a guitarist and you know, I played guitar for years and all, but I also play a bunch of different instruments. So sometimes I felt limited, you know, just being able to play a guitar and so now being able to, you know, especially in bigger venues, literally control how the band sounds. Yeah. You and mix them and stuff like that, that
Speaker 3 00:27:50 You're really good sound guy
Speaker 2 00:27:51 Mix, being able to do that
Speaker 3 00:27:52 Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 1 00:27:55 <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:27:55 No, I mean, pretty good as,
Speaker 1 00:27:57 Yeah. Oh yeah. No, no. He, he's, he's freak. He's freaking awesome when the big he man when the big man's out there with the tablet, he's, he's monitoring things really well and whatnot. Now for you, was producer ever a thing that you thought about? Yeah, that's, he's very musical.
Speaker 3 00:28:09 That's something that here lately I've, uh, I just bought myself a new Mac and, um, I've been playing around like pro tools and logic and just trying to figure out to add something else to my skillset. Uh, I've always been keen with computers and I've never had an issue roaming around through anything online, uh, or like, you know, how a computer operates. So that kind of, to me, I was like, okay, I know how to do this. I can put this stuff together. Like I know how to write a song. You literally have a click track that you build from it. Um, now when it gets into the mixing part, I'm not as keen on, that's something I'm really wanting to learn. Um, but I'm learning as I go every day. I learn different things from different people about that. So that's something I'm not as worried about. But I feel like, you know, sitting down and taking a song and turning it from just a work tape to a demo, to a, you know, fully produced track is something that that's on my agenda. Like, that's something I'm, I'm trying to learn how to do because that's something I really, I wanna be able to produce at least my own first. Like demo.
Speaker 1 00:29:03 That's a big skill too. Like that. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's a lot to be, a lot to be taken on. But super cool.
Speaker 3 00:29:10 Yeah, I, I mean it's one thing I've always wanted to do. I, I don't foresee myself maybe being a producer, but at least being able to get quality, like, demos of my songs to get across to people or for somebody else. Um, maybe one day, you know, as I retire, I kind of, I think that would be a good retirement thing for me is that I could just sit in a studio all day and just, well, you
Speaker 1 00:29:29 Got a long way until retirement, dude. I still think you're,
Speaker 3 00:29:32 I'm
Speaker 1 00:29:32 Never gonna retirement. You're, you're one of those guys. You're one of those guys.
Speaker 3 00:29:35 I'm never gonna retire. He's gonna be working until I'm like 90.
Speaker 1 00:29:37 I'm working man in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 00:29:39 I just, cuz I want to, yeah. Like I have to be busy doing something. And I think that's another thing that really, uh, growing up where I grew up and like my parents, like, I'm thankful for that because I know people that I went to high school with, like, not trying to bash anybody, but like, I'm not gonna say any names, but people that just don't, they don't do anything like, like what are you, what are you doing? Like you sit at home all day. Yeah. And I, I can't do that. But in high school and like middle school, I was either taking private lessons or I was playing sports or I was going hunting or I was, you know, going to this event or I was building a car with my granddad. Like I always was doing something. I, I might be sitting in the library with my grandmother, like we would go to the library cuz she did genealogy. So she was always looking for stuff. I'd sit there in the library for hours and just read stuff. Like, I always had something to do. Like I never had it, I wouldn't say I was a kid, of course I had free time. But in that free time, like I picked up on those things that I wanted to do. And that's kind of how music led into it is like, oh this is, this is how I get out of like, you know, yeah. This is how I escape from what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 00:30:45 And, and that seems like an attitude that, that that's good to have, especially here in Nashville. Yeah. Like being out, doing something in terms of like, just working. Like I, yeah,
Speaker 3 00:30:54 I mean I work 40 hours a week and still Right. Like I make time to do my rights because I wanna do that and I play gigs. Like if I can, like, I don't, like I always have something to do. Yeah. And that's the best part.
Speaker 1 00:31:04 So it's a hustler's paradise if you hustle, you like there's that, there's that hustler's mentality where you just gotta like keep going.
Speaker 3 00:31:11 I mean I feel like hard work beats talent any day of the week. Uh, I mean, talent is great, but if you don't have the work ethic then it's not ever gonna pay off. I mean, I don't consider myself to be the most talented person in the world, but I will tell you that I'll outwork you cuz I will
Speaker 1 00:31:28 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:31:29 I'll tell anybody that. Like, I mean that's just like a confident thing. Like I've always had jobs, I've always, like when I was 14 I was working like three jobs, not because my parents made me like my parent. Like, you know, my parents provided everything for me. Yeah. Like, but I just wanted to have money, my own money. Yeah. And that's how I've always been wanted
Speaker 1 00:31:49 To do it. Do it your own way. Now talk about the music stuff for, for you. Um, you had a pretty good, pretty good cut on Spotify. Yeah. That you did. That did pretty well. Yeah. It was that song, that song playing crazy. What went into that song for you?
Speaker 3 00:32:01 So that song, uh, it was pretty cool. We all sat down and so the guys that just moved to town, I was playing drums with them at the time. Uh, they're 6 41 outta Kentucky. Um, they're a really good band, really good duo. They're kind of on the up right now. Yeah. They're actually playing a show with Brantley Gilbert this weekend, so That's pretty awesome. Yeah. Um, they're doing big things and I, I'm proud of 'em. I just hope they keep doing it, hope they keep grinding. But that song was kind of the staple point for all of us in a way. Uh, we wrote that song, they just moved to town. I got 'em to move to town. I talked 'em into it. I had moved up here on my own and then I heard they were kind of playing shows. So I hit 'em up cuz Austin is one of my fraternity brothers.
Speaker 3 00:32:39 So I hit him up and I was like, guys, uh, I'm gonna be in Nashville if you're ever wanting to play shows, you know, I don't know if you're interested in that. And then it kind of turned into us talking all the time, like between all three of us. Um, me, Austin, and Brooks. And I was like, y'all gotta move to town. Just do it. Let's, let's go, let's get this stuff on the road and start, you know, making moves. So before they moved to town, I think Brooks had still not even moved in yet, but Austin had moved. Um, so we were actually in the gazebo apartments, uh,
Speaker 1 00:33:06 The gazebo apartment. That's, that's where uh, we have buddies that live. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:09 We have all kind of friends that live there, which is so funny to me cuz we've written so many more songs in that apartment complex now. Um, but we were in that apartment complex, it was like probably 10 30, 11 at night. And, um, it's right by the airport. So we're like, we heard this plane. And we were like, what? I was like, that's crazy. And then somehow we come up with plane crazy. I was like, well that's kind of a good saying. Cause I know this girl that that I've been talking to at the time and she was like, I, I just don't have anything left to do here. Like, not, we weren't like serious. So it wasn't like I was like keeping her here or anything like that. Yeah. But she was like, I just wanna move and get out of like Nashville. I'm tired of it here. I just wanna get on a plane and fly away and not talk to anybody ever again. And I was like, oh. I was like, that's plane crazy. Yeah. So, and that's how we ended up coming up with that. So then we kind of took our storyline and went with it. Uh, we ended up watching the last episode of Friends. Um, and I can't remember, I can't remember the guy's name on friends. I'm terrible about that. Which,
Speaker 1 00:34:08 What is he is Ross.
Speaker 3 00:34:09 Ross. I think it was Ross. Ross. He was going to get his girlfriend at the airport. So, and then that's kind of, we were like, oh shit. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Like he's, he's running to get, get her and keep her from leaving. And that was kind of our last verse. So the first two verse or the first verse went together really well. That was pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Uh, the chorus, we ended up just coming up with a melody and like wrote words to it. And then the, like I said, the second verse came from the stem from the episode of friends. So that, that made sense. It, you know, it was, yeah, it was a cool take cuz like we were talking about that song, we'd been thinking about it all day and then we somehow stumbled upon that episode. We were like, we had heard about that, you know, that stuff had taken place in that episode. So we went and looked it up and watched it and kind of gave us an idea to write, to finish it off. So, but it was pretty neat though. The song's doing really well. Uh, it's got a lot of streams on Spotify. Um, could be more thankful for that. Probably getting some royalty checks from that. So it,
Speaker 1 00:35:04 What's it like getting a royalty check as a songwriter? That's
Speaker 3 00:35:07 Mean, it's good. It's exciting, but you know.
Speaker 1 00:35:09 I know, I know. It's just want another one now. I know. I know you're ready. I know you're probably, you're probably ready. Ready.
Speaker 3 00:35:14 Turn another I just wanna keep getting more.
Speaker 1 00:35:15 Yeah, I know. I know. But still like that.
Speaker 3 00:35:16 But I think that was the fuel to the fire that I needed because that to me, like that got me, like I saw that, you know, I could take something and write it and get paid for it. And then seeing that like statement come out and read that, that like, this is my name I'm getting paid to, for this song that I wrote was just like justification that I can do this. So
Speaker 1 00:35:36 Like I, I can make a living doing what I want. Yeah. You know, which is like the greatest thing in the world.
Speaker 3 00:35:40 This is not, you know, it's not like a number one or anything by any means. And I hope it, I hope one day, you know, it even gets on the charts, but just to see that you get paid for people listening to your music was fulfilling that, you know, it's rewarding enough to hear somebody say, oh, I really like that song. And it really, it's great. I'm, I could glad I can, that's enough for me, but also have the money going along with it is awesome. Like, you know, it's cool to see that people, you know, pay to listen to music.
Speaker 1 00:36:04 Yeah, yeah. Which is which is what, which is what it's all about and stuff. And, and for you, you're, you're writing a lot. Like you, I mean, I'll see, I'll see you at work or we'll just be hanging out can be like, Hey, take a look at this note. You'll just kind of, kind of ma you'll just read it out or Yeah. Hum it along or something. Like, you've got these notes then you're, you've, you're grinding a lot with
Speaker 3 00:36:22 Your writing yourself. Yeah. I mean that's kind, that's like all I think about now. It's, and and it's, it's kind of one of those things that if you want to be it, you're gonna develop yourself. You're gonna do everything you can to try to be that, to like manifest it. So like, that's the point that I've been in this kind of shell almost to the point where I'm not going out. Like I wa I'm not, you know, just staying home, but like, I'm not going out as much. I'm taking that time that I was using for other things and putting in into writing songs. Like the time I used to go work out like three hours a day and I was like, you know what? This is stupid. I'm in good shape. I'm not outta shape, you know, I can still go work out but I don't have to work out three hours a day, like those two hours a day.
Speaker 3 00:37:00 I can either be playing drums, I could be working on building a track, or I could be working on writing a song. So I've learned how to manage that time a little bit more now to where the things that I used to do and just waste time. Like I, I've never really just sat around and been lazy, but like the things that are not as high on my priority now to go do the gym was the main one of my feel like, because I just spent a lot of time there cuz it was relaxing. But you know, I still did the things, but I wasn't putting enough time into what I really needed to be putting the time into. So now I've kind of altered that and getting that time set right to where I know I have to get up, I have to go eat, I have to go to work and then I come home. I can stay up for three or four hours, maybe come up with an idea there. Or I can wake up early like this morning at like, you know, nine o'clock is my early, I guess you'd say
Speaker 1 00:37:52 That's, that's all of our, that's that's early nine
Speaker 3 00:37:54 O'clock's early. But I mean, I've been getting up at like seven to eight and it feels great, but I have to go to bed at 10 o'clock. So my creative time for me, I feel like my brain doesn't really come live until, you know, after 10:00 PM Why? I don't know. I've
Speaker 1 00:38:06 Heard a lot of people say that, especially writers like Brantley, Brantley Gilbert has said that in interviews before where he says his work time is at like, between like 10:00 PM and like 4:00 AM Yeah. I, when, when for whatever reason the creative juices are flowing and a lot of your rights, Tyler, where I've, I've been hanging out with you and you'll just start picking a guitar and he'll be jotting like crazy. He'll be typing into his notes section on his iPhone. I
Speaker 3 00:38:27 Don't know what it is about it being nighttime. I mean there's, there's days that I can sit outside of the weather. You know, it's a lot of things that are inspiring I think that do that that, but uh, it's something about just, I guess it's cuz it's calm outside your brain feels like it, you
Speaker 2 00:38:40 Know? Well there's also nothing to do. Like, you know, going back to the car, like whenever you're in your house and there's nothing to do or you're in your car and there's nothing to do, you're more keen to that side of things. And also there's not as many distractions. There's not cars going on outside, there's not, you know,
Speaker 3 00:38:56 I agree a hundred percent. I
Speaker 2 00:38:57 You don't, don't hear kids and stuff playing outside and all that kind of stuff. You know, you're just, you're in your space and you can be yourself. And so you've become more creative
Speaker 3 00:39:06 When you speak about noise like that. Um, you don't realize it until you go somewhere. Like we went last weekend in West Tennessee, how quiet it is at night. Yes. Very be quiet. So that night when I went home, I was sitting there and I was like, oh my gosh, like my brain, there's like no, it's like almost sitting in a room with static, playing super low, you know, the noises there being here, but being in west Tennessee, it's, you're not close to interstate. You don't have any airplanes flying around. You don't have sirens and helicopters and trains. You can use crickets. I mean, you have trains, but you have crickets. But there's subtle sounds that, I don't know, it was like turning the volume off. It's like almost like mute completely. It was awesome. So that kind of helped my brain reset. So I think taking the time to reset your brain like that is, is more important than anything.
Speaker 3 00:39:54 So, you know, adapting that time in there to just take a day like, don't I had a right this morning I had to cancel because I, I just didn't, you know, I I'm not didn't feel great. Yeah. And I didn't want to waste somebody else's time. So knowing that and being aware of that I think is more important than, than anything is. Like, don't, don't go try to force something if you're not in the best, like not in mind state, but like, you know, just your body tells you things you just gotta respond to. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:40:21 Vi vibes seem like so Exactly. So much of that. And for you if talking about mute and just going where it's going, where it's chill. Have you been on a writer's retreat before? Have you done one of those? Because I've heard a lot of people go out and do those.
Speaker 3 00:40:33 I have not actually. Um, that's something that we talked about doing, uh, maybe planning out to go, but I've had my own rider's retreat. Yeah. That's when by myself. That's when you go out. That's when. So I guess when you go
Speaker 1 00:40:43 Home, right?
Speaker 3 00:40:44 Yeah. Is when I go home or when, um, I went to Port St. Lucie, Florida this past October. Um, and I was playing a show I was filling in for an artist. Um, it was, we played a music festival, uh, at Port St. Lucie, which was awesome. It was really great. It was in on like a bay. It was calm. But yeah, I just sat out there that night and just like had my own retreat, like by myself. And I saw I wasn't the only one doing it. There was other people that were doing that. Like, um, during the day I saw, like Craig Campbell was there, he was just out in a chair by himself, just chilling. And I, I was like, he's doing the same thing I've been doing. I guarantee it just, you know, sitting there resetting your brain and just thinking of different things that you wouldn't normally think about when you're in that setting. So
Speaker 2 00:41:24 There's also some, like he said, you know, being in a different setting, it takes your mind to a different place. You know, it's, it's not common. It's not your normal, it's not your routine mundane life. So you're in a new place and you know, you're just, you're, you get into a different mindset, you know, whenever you're away from home. Like, I like to go to the mountains a lot. I love being in a cabin. I've done it by myself. I've done it with a couple buddies. And there's just a different energy when you're there because you're not disturbed by, you know, your girlfriend or your family or your work or anything like that. Like, you're just by yourself. And you can, you can be in a place where you can focus so much on one thing and you don't have the distractions. And you know, like we said before, it gets quiet and you can really just hone in and focus you.
Speaker 1 00:42:15 Now have you been in one of those writers' room places that they talk about that sound like music row and stuff? Like where they do? Yeah. Now what, what are those rooms like? Like, because you're talking about, we're talking about vibes and stuff here.
Speaker 3 00:42:26 So to me I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1 00:42:27 Like is it, is it
Speaker 3 00:42:28 Almost, I could write in a room like that, but I don't know that I would want to, is
Speaker 1 00:42:31 It it, is it almost forced at that point when you're, when you're going
Speaker 3 00:42:34 Into
Speaker 1 00:42:34 Like, no, I wouldn't say so. The writer's room, like since it has that label on
Speaker 3 00:42:36 It, I wouldn't say so. I mean, it's like, no, definitely not. Definitely not. Because I consider my truck a writer's room. I consider this room. We're in a writer's room. I don't think that, but
Speaker 1 00:42:45 What do, what do they look like? Like what is like, I
Speaker 3 00:42:47 Mean, it's just like a rehearsal. Just like at Diamond Sound that we were in. Okay. I mean, you know, there's just the basic stuff in there. I mean, there's really nothing to it. But that's also good because I don't like having, like, I don't like having other things there in that room. I guess you like a couch maybe? Or cuz you get too comfy then you can't, you can't do this. Like if you have a desk you can stand up or a desk that you can sit down at like my bedroom. I don't like having gear in my bedroom because when I lay down, I'm looking at it and I'm like, I wanna play it. I wanna do like, it's a distraction to, for me to even get my own rest. So I like having it separated and I still have my drums in my room, but, or my guitar. I can't leave it sitting in my room because I'll look at it all night and I'm like, I wanna play it.
Speaker 1 00:43:33 I've noticed that. I mean, even though the studio that we're in, right, we're, we're right now, like right there.
Speaker 3 00:43:36 I wanna play those
Speaker 1 00:43:37 <laugh> Tyler, Tyler tracks sitting right here. Like how, I mean are some of our buddies, like Dave keeps all of his stuff at their apartment. They keep it all in like their living room area. They don't keep it in the bedroom. That's interesting. I think Ethan does the same thing, like a lot of
Speaker 3 00:43:49 Our buddies. It's that separation thing. Because I mean, then if you're in your, another thing to me is if I am playing my drums that are in my room and my bed's there, then it's the same thing. Oh, I should, I could take a nap.
Speaker 1 00:44:03 Yeah. But I'm not going, you're slacking on that.
Speaker 3 00:44:05 Exactly. Okay. So that's where it kind of comes out to be, you know, I could lay there and take a nap or I could lay here and write out a chart. I could lay, you know, the lazy part of it. That's the thing that you've gotta eliminate. If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it a hundred percent. So I think that separation of like, you know, taking those things out of that, I'm trying to find a house right now where I can just have a full blown setup and not have to look at any of my gear in my room. I just want my bed and my dresser and my nightstand. That's all I
Speaker 1 00:44:35 Want. Just
Speaker 3 00:44:35 Simple. Not even a tv. I don't even watch tv.
Speaker 1 00:44:38 I don't, I mean, you say you don't watch like anything on like Netflix or Hulu or Netflix
Speaker 3 00:44:41 Like that. I mean, if it's pouring down rain outside, I'll put on a movie.
Speaker 1 00:44:44 What's your, what's your go-to? What kind of movie? Or do you just find them random things?
Speaker 3 00:44:47 I just find random things. Uh, kind of just mood, like what I'm in. Uh, I don't really have just a go-to movie cuz I've seen a lot of different movies and I don't wanna watch
Speaker 1 00:44:56 Again. You should, you should get Hulu and watch Lighter Kenny,
Speaker 3 00:44:59 I've
Speaker 1 00:45:00 Seen that. You would like that. I've
Speaker 3 00:45:01 A lot I've seen, I did actually sit through back when it got really cold. I watched the rest of the Ozarks the second season. I, that was awesome. Um, yeah, that's a great series. Yeah. Something like you can dig into and kind of just like I said, just like writing a song, you can escape. Like it's not a movie, but it just gives you enough detail. You wanna keep going back and watching it. But yeah, for the most part, I don't watch tv. I don't like having a TV in my room because I just feel like that a lot of kids nowadays like watch TV or they play video games and, you know, there's nothing wrong with that, but they just do that to like, they should be playing an instrument. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:45:33 So you're a big advocate for music education and things like that
Speaker 3 00:45:36 Where kids No, no doubt. I couldn't get into it. I couldn't repay my high school band enough for like, or even our school district, you'd say like, that's probably the first like, big check I get from something. Like, that's where some money is gonna go. Okay. No doubt. Because like I had tho everything I had there. Like I remember we had the, like the first year we had, you know, good gear, but the second year I was in, because we had made so much progress, they bought us all new stuff because we earned it. You know, we, we had busted our tails and got stuff done and like won. We actually won competitions, like we turned it around. So we got rewarded for that. And then after that point, like, you know, if it was something we needed because we were working and we were doing good, like it was incentive because we had new stuff now we had to be even better.
Speaker 3 00:46:21 So I think that like you look good, you play good, you feel good. All those things definitely go into play. Uh, but yeah, I couldn't, you know, I feel like every kid should have that opportunity to at least pick up an instrument because they may not like a guitar, but they might be good at a flute. Yeah. If you're good at a flute, go be good at a flute. Yeah. Like if you can play a saxophone, go play it. Yeah. I have a buddy that I know that I've been friends with forever who's, you know, he can play like piano and stuff, but he just bought a saxophone outta the blue and he can actually play it. And I was like, see like you're 24 years old and you just now figured out you could play a saxophone. Yeah. So I, you know, that's another thing, like I was saying that big regret of not taking voice lessons, like I wish I would've done that as a kid cuz I'd probably be a, I know I'd be a way better singer than I am now. But also like, just having those things at my house. Like my parents, like my grandparents had guitars, my grandparents had pianos. Now the drums, I don't know where that come from. I just always liked playing drums, just
Speaker 1 00:47:23 Like banging on
Speaker 3 00:47:23 Things. Yeah. I just like hitting stuff. Yeah. <laugh>. So, uh, I mean, of course you had your pots and pans as a kid. Um, but yeah, my, I think my parents, like, I got my first like snare drum and, uh, ex xlophone kit for like the sixth grade band. And a lot of kids didn't have that, but like, that's what I wanted to do. Like a lot of c kids had other things they wanted, like some kid might want this new pair of cleats. I mean, I still played sports at that time, so yeah, I wanted to do that too. But like, I was like, I'd rather have a drum. Like I don't care about cleats. Like I don't care about having a four-wheeler that could do this. And I, I mean I still had it, like my parents had it like wasn't like I didn't have it. I just didn't have to have like, that wasn't what I wanted the newest thing of, I wanted like a new drum that came out. I wanted Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:48:09 It was music.
Speaker 3 00:48:09 Yeah, it was music. Music was your thing. Yes. I wanted like a CD or I wanted to go to a concert or
Speaker 1 00:48:14 Yeah. First first cd you remember buying?
Speaker 3 00:48:17 Oh man, I think of my own Money. Yeah, I <laugh> I think it was probably was it, I remember going to get it, it was at Walmart. I think it was a foreigner cd. Okay. Yeah. All right.
Speaker 1 00:48:31 Foreigner four. My first one was Kenny Chesney. No Shoes, no shirt, no problems. Really. Yep. It was that. And then a Nickelback cd. Kenny Chesney obviously a lot. I had Nick held up a lot better than the Nickelback seat. I had a
Speaker 3 00:48:41 Nickelback, I think everybody did. You Can't Hate On Nick.
Speaker 1 00:48:45 Oh yeah, no. And it was like one of those little CD players that,
Speaker 3 00:48:48 Yeah, man, I remember just carrying those around until like, there was like a, the first MP3 came out and then I had to have an MP3 player. Yeah. I didn't want an Xbox or a PlayStation for Christmas on the MP3 player. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:48:58 You wanted that. I want the headphones. Yeah, you wanted something where you can listen to music on the bus to school.
Speaker 3 00:49:02 My mom said, I've never seen us spend money on anything that you've ever just not put down. But I think she's thankful of that now because yeah, I could have just been some little brat sitting there playing, you know, baseball or basketball or Halo or something on an Xbox and not, you know, not done that. I dunno what I'd be doing <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:49:24 Now for now in terms of, of music, we were talking about country radio and stuff before. What are some things that, uh, what are some songs or some guys or girls that you're really digging right now? What's on your,
Speaker 3 00:49:33 Oh, right now when,
Speaker 1 00:49:33 When you're listening to your Spotify, and obviously I know the classic rock influence, just the first seat with s Foreigner, but like of the, of the new, new guys and girls that are out right now, who are you? You pulling it up? Awesome. What do you got? Oh
Speaker 3 00:49:43 Man, I'm gonna have to pull my phone up for this. So like Balen, okay, this is a band called Balen. They're where where the heck are they from? They're from New York. Really? They're
Speaker 1 00:49:50 From New York. I should know that.
Speaker 3 00:49:52 <laugh> man. So they're, they're like a, like rock. They're their own sound. Like they do their own things. Like he was saying, like they don't have the normal instrumentation of what they're, uh, trio. It's two guys and a girl. They have like these Fleetwood Mac harmonies with like this like rock guitar with just all these different blends of things together. But it, it sounds awesome. So I think that that's my top band right now. Okay. No doubt. Uh, out of anything, um, man
Speaker 1 00:50:24 And on the country spectrum, who's somebody that you're like, these guys or this girl or whatever is, is doing something like, I'm really vibing what they're doing. Somebody maybe you've seen a Whiskey jam, somebody you've seen playing around town or
Speaker 3 00:50:37 Devin Dawson is really like a good influence. I really like his lyrics. Uh, Hardy, I think he's just like, gets down. I think he's
Speaker 1 00:50:43 Is cool. Which Devin and Hardy co-wrote Blake Shelton's news thing.
Speaker 3 00:50:46 Yeah. And that song is just, it's just great like that, that song's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:50:51 But how crazy is that, that those two guys, but
Speaker 3 00:50:53 I think that that,
Speaker 1 00:50:54 And they're so different are
Speaker 3 00:50:55 That Blend is like just the stuff that, that I pick up on too. I think that's why I relate to it, because I just like those styles that they all like, um, I like Jason Isabel,
Speaker 1 00:51:05 What, what do you think of uh, the, the cover Morgan Wallen, he'd done it with Taste the Country a while back, but just put it out as his single.
Speaker 3 00:51:12 So I think Morgan Wallen did it. I think he gave it every bit of justice it deserved.
Speaker 1 00:51:16 Yeah. Because that is such a no doubt, such a deep song. And what's funny is
Speaker 3 00:51:20 Jason, Isabel can write the songs all day. Yeah. All day. He can write em, they're great.
Speaker 1 00:51:25 He can, he can sing 'em too, like his
Speaker 3 00:51:26 No, he can sing them. And I really like the, I mean, I have that song on a vinyl that Yeah. You know, it was the, the Ryman record there that he recorded. And I love that song still shows man. But I feel like it does take sometimes somebody that is a vocalist that, like Morgan Wallen is, I think he's a, you know, a really good vocalist. I think that he brought that song to life more than, you know, and that's kind of where I relate to that too, is like, I don't feel like I can bring the songs to life. Like I don't, I can't give them the, just like, I can write the lyrics on the page. I can come up with the melodies Yeah. To play the guitar somewhat, but I don't know that I can bring 'em to life the way that, that that exam, that is the best example. Because I was almost upset when I heard people were like, oh, you've gotta hear this new Morgan Wall song.
Speaker 1 00:52:08 I was just gonna ask you that. I was like, he
Speaker 3 00:52:09 Didn't, you know, he didn't write that. No, it's not anything against him ago. But like, you know, it's just the fact of like, like that situation to me, I was just like, I got not offended. But you know,
Speaker 1 00:52:21 That's, that's one of the reasons why when I moved down here, I wanted to get something like this going. This podcast that you're sitting in on right now is, is I wanted to shed light. We we talked about it in the, in the damn trailer. That's
Speaker 3 00:52:32 A really similar situation. Like, I can relate, like, I feel like that is probably gonna happen because I cannot give justice the songs like I should. I guess you would say that's not my place. I know that.
Speaker 1 00:52:43 Yeah, no, and you're, and you're self aware of that and whatnot now.
Speaker 2 00:52:46 And my, yeah, my hope with that though is that it turns more people on to guys like Isabel and stuff that can actually, you know, sing and write all those, you know, because Isabel has such a great catalog of so many amazing songs and your people that only listen to Pop country and all, you know, they're not gonna necessarily go find him. You know, it took me a few years of being in a Nashville to really find him. But you know, once you, once you find him, you're kind of hooked on them, you know? Yeah. That
Speaker 3 00:53:15 Also goes into people who, um, who really listen to music. Uh, I think some people listen to stuff just to listen to stuff. Just like they watch, they put TV on just for noise, but those are also people who don't do music. But the people who do music are the ones that like pick it apart and like read the lyrics. Like, I don't even listen to song, like I listen to songs now, but people talk about the difference between books and audio books. Prime example. Like, do you not retain more when you think that you read the lyrics on the page or you read the words on the page versus listening to it? Yeah. You might be able to follow along, which is kind of what I do. Like I play the song in the background, then go to lyrics. So that was the best thing I ever added was lyrics.
Speaker 1 00:53:55 Yeah. I love being able to look at the lyrics on my gospel music,
Speaker 3 00:53:58 Spotify. But you can compare like, structure and see how they made this phrase work with this phrase or how this, you know, what they said in the first verse makes sense in the chorus or the bridge. Like all those things that go together that make it the song. It is.
Speaker 1 00:54:13 Yeah. And, uh, something cool about Isabelle, there was a quote, John Mayer, um, had said that Jason Isabelle is the greatest songwriter of, uh, of our generation in terms of stuff. He compared 'em very much to Bob Dylan, which is really cool. So you have your guitar with you, you write a lot of songs. Would you mind playing us a little something, something of, uh, what you've, what you've got, I know you, you write songs every, it seems like almost, almost daily, like whenever they, you feel you can crank 'em out and stuff. And, um, do you have one in particular that you'd, uh, like to play for us to wrap this up?
Speaker 3 00:54:45 Yeah, we might have one. We'll play. All
Speaker 1 00:54:46 Right. Sweet. What, which one are you thinking?
Speaker 3 00:54:49 Not really sure yet. We'll have to see. Okay. Dig
Speaker 1 00:54:51 Through it. We'll have to see. All right. Cool. Well, well, Mr. Logan Gardner is thinking about what he's gonna be playing. Y'all
Speaker 3 00:54:57 Appreciate y'all having me on this. This is awesome.
Speaker 1 00:54:58 Oh dude, dude, thank you for coming on. Uh, thank y'all for listening. Of course, you can follow along on Instagram at in thero podcast on Facebook in the Round, the website. It's coming together slowly but surely in the round podcast.com. Shout out to our webmaster and resident redneck, Mr. Jacob Albert for getting all of that stuff situated. Shout out to the Coda Bear getting all those pretty cool pictures and videos. Shout out to the podcast. They, we had a little scuffle earlier, but we got, uh, we got Felix as Cake sitting over there looking. We,
Speaker 2 00:55:27 We have a special shout out today cuz today is Coda Bear's
Speaker 1 00:55:30 Birthday. Yeah. Happy birthday. Happy
Speaker 3 00:55:31 Birthday Kevin. Happy
Speaker 1 00:55:32 Birthday. Birthday bitch as it reads across his shirt. And uh,
Speaker 3 00:55:36 How old are you? 24. 24. I'll be 24 this year.
Speaker 1 00:55:40 Hey, I'm 24, 0 2. So there we go. I'm old. Yeah, you're old grandpa. Ba with your sunglasses. How do you pronounce that fishing brand? Is that hook, hook, hook, hook. Yeah. Hook, hook. That hat looks good on you. I like it. Uh, so anyway guys, I'll make sure you also, uh, like subscribe, follow wherever you are listening to this podcast. As always, we're available on Spotify, iTunes, Google Play. Anywhere that you get your podcast, you can go in the round with us. So Logan, come up with an idea which one you wanna sing?
Speaker 3 00:56:10 Yeah, we'll get it going for you.
Speaker 1 00:56:11 What's the name of it?
Speaker 3 00:56:13 Good enough lately.
Speaker 1 00:56:14 Good enough Lately. Good enough Lately by Logan Gardner. He's gonna take it away. Until next time y'all. Thanks for listening to In the Round. Here's Logan Gardner. With good enough. Lately,
Speaker 4 00:56:36 Some days coffee doesn't need a The good enough lately. Yeah, my friends always ask. Good.
