Kaitlyn Kilian

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And for more details and to get in touch with the rest of the familia, visit razerowdy.com. Now let's get into it. Outside the round with me, Matt Peril. A Raise Rowdy podcast. Come on. This is outside the round with Matt Barill, a Rage Rowdy podcast. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to outside the round. Your boy Matt Burrill. And today we have got a very special guest, a new friend of ours, hailing from the great state of Oklahoma, which is one of my favorite states to go to, I think very underrated place. We got our girl Caitlin Killiam with us. Caitlin, how you doing? [00:01:31] Speaker B: I'm good. How are you doing? [00:01:33] Speaker A: Doing good. It is a Wednesday. It's like midway through the week. What are your weeks here in Nashville consist of? Like are you writing a lot? [00:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah, most of the time I'm doing lots of writes. Just trying to get ready for the next project. We have some new stuff coming up. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:01:54] Speaker B: Working on a new project already again and yeah, I'm getting excited for that. [00:01:59] Speaker A: So I first saw you at the opening for our mutual good friend Mr. Wyatt Flores. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:06] Speaker A: At the basement. East. And that was back, I want to say, like, over the summer, right? Was that over the summer, like in the or was it in the fall or is time just moving so fast? It was in September, I think. [00:02:19] Speaker B: It was in September. [00:02:21] Speaker A: So that's probably when it was. Yeah, because that was my first time seeing you. And I was out there with Brennan Cato and some folks from Wyatt's team and they're like, yeah, let's go smoke Oklahoma too. Her name's Caitlin. She's awesome. You freaking killed it. And I was like, I'd love to have her on the podcast and get in the Caitlin Killian business before the rest of the world does as you're starting out. And here we are doing this podcast. So how long have you been out here in Nashville? [00:02:44] Speaker B: So at the top of this year, it'll be going on two years. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Oh, awesome. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Before that we were coming back and forth a little know, just getting in some studios and figuring, know, how everything out here worked. But we came out here about two years ago and started writing and getting the feel of Nashville. [00:03:03] Speaker A: It's a long drive coming from Oklahoma. It's a long fucking drive. I love Oklahoma, but I've done Oklahoma in a van before. Not the same as Oklahoma in a bus or Oklahoma by plane, like flying in the Tulsa or something. But that's a lot of back. And so when you were doing those back and forth trips, how long were you staying out here? [00:03:25] Speaker B: I mean, we'd come out here for like a week at a time. And then after we all started moving out here and was we were staying in Airbnbs for a mean that was like our home. We were just bouncing from airbnb to. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Airbnb in all different sections of town, I bet, too. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's how we figured out where we wanted to know. I kind of was familiar. I wasn't familiar when I first moved to town. I was living out in, like, Laverne. [00:03:53] Speaker A: I've lived in Laverne. I've lived off Waldron Road. I've been at the mercy of I 24 getting in and out of the city. [00:04:01] Speaker B: I mean, I didn't mind it at first until I was moving out. And I got that was some weird some weird stuff was going on. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of scary. That's Laverne. Shit for you. That's that Rutherford County shit. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Scary shit. [00:04:13] Speaker A: It's wild. And you got Sam Ridley Parkway over there, tons of cool restaurants. And there's a Chick fil A there, which is always a win. Like all kinds of good shit, like on that exit just past Laverne. But there's some interesting shit over there. There used to be that motel. I think it's like a big gas station now behind the Dollar General. Used to just be like a Dollar General. Like a shady motel with a bunch of big rigs parked. You know, there's some shady if there's a bunch of big rig, like trucks just parked on a motel, probably not the best motel to go in. And my house was like a mile up the road from that. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Some stragglers come over. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Oh, you'd see all kinds of shit. Like a spot where there's a pilot and there's a motel like that next to each other. Oh, you see some wild stuff. So where in town did you end up when you fully got here? [00:05:04] Speaker B: I ended up I kind of bounced around a little bit. Now we're down in Brentwood, but nice. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Wilco, you made it. You made it to where everybody says that they want to live in Williamson County eventually. That's like, where they want to get to. And now you are there at a young age. Caitlin, you've done it. You've made it to Brentworth. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Hopefully it lasts. We're crossing our fingers. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Yeah. How long have you been over there? [00:05:32] Speaker B: Since probably the top of this, like, in spring. Yeah. So it's going on a year, probably getting close to a year. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Very different from Oklahoma. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Growing up on the family farm. Right. Your farmer's daughter. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Farmer's daughter. Yeah. It's a lot different. This whole place is a lot different. [00:05:51] Speaker A: What would you say the biggest differences are for somebody from small town life coming to a metropolitan you're living in the suburbs, so you're not even, like, living in the city. City. But it's got to feel like the city for you coming from a thousand acres in Oklahoma. [00:06:06] Speaker B: For sure. Well, first thing is I got a, you know, and like McDonald's and a know right up the street. It's just such a weird know that. [00:06:17] Speaker A: It'S that close to you. Right. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Haven't so for a very temporary time, you know how they'll put like, a subway and a quick trip or whatever? [00:06:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Which we call them quick trips because. [00:06:29] Speaker A: It'S a quick little trip. [00:06:31] Speaker B: It's a quick little trip. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:32] Speaker B: But I'm like, holy crap, we got everything just right here. We moved up and got a Dollar General a couple of years ago. So that was pretty cool after I went off and moved off from my hometown. But I've realized real quickly that there's a lot of things just at the tip of your fingers here. But also not knowing my neighbors. It's been weird. [00:06:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know my neighbors either, actually. I do know one neighbor, and I know they don't watch this shit. That's why they're different. So I'm living in, like, a subdivision, like, right around the corner. It's nice. We pay like, HOA fees and shit. It's like a nicer neighborhood. I'm like, this is a step up from when I was living in Laverne or Antioch. I've bounced around in my five years here, and the neighbors next to me are like they're like doomsday preppers. They're doomsday. They think my house is owned by China. [00:07:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:07:26] Speaker A: And then I'm renting I'm supporting the Chinese government by living there. And I'm like, I'm just your neighbor. I'm just renting from this residential from this online company. [00:07:34] Speaker B: Did they tell you that? [00:07:36] Speaker A: Yeah, they've told me that. They're very interesting and weird and nice people, but just odballs. There's just some odballs there. Yeah. So not knowing your neighbor, that's a pretty good thing that you don't know your neighbors, because they could be preppers. [00:07:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I've kind of wondered that too. I'm like, maybe I don't need to know my neighbor. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I feel like Nash, it's different too, when you have a house and you have a family and you're planning the roots like that. It's different than when you move to a place like this and you're young. Yeah. Because how old are you? [00:08:09] Speaker B: I'm 25. [00:08:09] Speaker A: You're 25. Okay. So you moved out here when you were 23. That's how old I was when I moved out here. I was 23. As well. I was coming from New York, though. Very different place from small town Oklahoma. Very different place. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Big city, new York. [00:08:21] Speaker A: Like suburbs. Okay, so like Brentwood to Nashville. But it's New York. So you got to cross like two bridges to get to the city and pay like $20 a bridge. Stupid. You got to ask why $20? Wyatt was just in New York last night. You got to ask Wyatt about touring through New York City and the headache that those boys must have gone through. You can't play a show in New York City and not get a fucking parking ticket. Like the cops just look for buses and just put fucking $200. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Dang. [00:08:51] Speaker A: But it's like there's nowhere to park the bus. So what do you do? You just eat the tickets. [00:08:55] Speaker B: I ain't never been to New York. So maybe one of these days. [00:08:58] Speaker A: What's the biggest city you've been to? Would it be nashville. [00:09:02] Speaker B: I mean, I've been down to know cities too. Is there anything in Texas? [00:09:06] Speaker A: I mean, there's Dallas because I've been to Dallas, Austin. Dallas is so big that it's Dallas and Fort Worth. I mean, Houston's fucking massive. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I've been to Been because I'm from Know. I've been all over Texas. But yeah, moving out here definitely, I feel like it was a lot bigger until I've been Know for two. Mean, I kind of got it figured out. I can't believe I finally somewhat have it figured out. I don't always have to use my. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Like I label locations in my Google Maps app. [00:09:41] Speaker B: That's genius. [00:09:42] Speaker A: So I have all these fucking little blue flags in my Nashville map. Like the city of just it's just little blue flags. And it's friends that I haven't even talked to in like a few years, but just everybody that I've met over the last few years. Like locations where I'm like I just want to type in their name and it'll take me there. Yeah, that's I have that for all over the fucking city. And I've been here five years and I still don't know my way totally around. [00:10:08] Speaker B: I think just being able to live in a couple different places too has kind of made me more familiar. But that's been kind of shocking. I never had to wait to go. [00:10:17] Speaker A: Anywhere, know no in Oklahoma. [00:10:19] Speaker B: Traffic here is like absurd. [00:10:21] Speaker A: Well, yeah, there's more people in this city than probably the entire state of Oklahoma. Honestly. Even when Ou and OSU are in Stillwater, it's probably like Alabama. Where? In Alabama? The second and third largest city are Auburn, Alabama, and Tuscaloosa, Alabama. When college is in session or when. [00:10:41] Speaker B: It'S football, when it's full. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Yeah. But then when it's not, there's like small college towns. It's the same thing. It's got to be similar with Stillwater and Norman. [00:10:48] Speaker B: It has to be. Yeah. I mean, I never really looked into that. [00:10:51] Speaker A: But have you been to Stillwater? Oh, I fucking love shout out tumbleweed. [00:10:56] Speaker B: Shout out. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Shout out. Terry. Or not terry. Carrie, I'm so sorry. Carrie, cut that. We'll edit that in post. It probably won't because I'll require work, because I'm the editor, but our boy Carrie and tumbleweed is like, literally one of my and I've been through Oklahoma City. I've been through I'm trying to think. There was one weird I went to one town in Oklahoma. No, I've been to ufala, oklahoma. Okay, ufala, wherever that is. We did a show, mike Ryan out there. And then we went to somewhere in Oklahoma. It was like, literally middle of nowhere. We showed up to this ranch thing, and they were burying a cow. Like, a cow was dead. We showed up and I'm just like, what is going on? Think. No, we weren't in a van. We were in a bus. We got out of the bus and it's like these farm hands, like, dragging a cow right in front of the bus. We're like, what the fuck is going on here? [00:11:52] Speaker B: Were you in oklahoma or in medford? [00:11:54] Speaker A: No, we were not in medford. It was somewhere like, what? So medford? What is Medford, Oklahoma? [00:11:59] Speaker B: Like, it's north. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Is that what you're but what is it like, how would you describe medford, oklahoma, to somebody like myself who hasn't been there, hasn't had the pleasure of going to medford? [00:12:09] Speaker B: Sounds like what you just explained. [00:12:11] Speaker A: Oh, it sounds like farm hands dragging a dead cow somewhere. [00:12:15] Speaker B: It's very small. I feel like we kind of have like, even in my class, I was one of the only farm kids in my class, but it's just a big farming community. [00:12:26] Speaker A: How many kids you graduate with? [00:12:28] Speaker B: 17. [00:12:30] Speaker A: Legit. Legit fucking 17 kids. [00:12:33] Speaker B: I grew up with, like, two girls in my class, counting myself. So it was just a whole class full of boys. And even in elementary school, because we all played sports, too, basically, if you go to a small school, you have to play sports. There's not really an option. It's like you either play sports or. [00:12:52] Speaker A: How do you play sport? I guess there's more girls in other classes. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So we had like, six on our basketball team forever. [00:13:00] Speaker A: You had six people? [00:13:02] Speaker B: Yeah, we had six girls because we didn't have any girls in my class. [00:13:06] Speaker A: And you only have five on the you're playing the whole fucking game. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Ice be fit. Back in the day, man, I could run forever. I was slower than sin, but I. [00:13:18] Speaker A: Could run, man, I graduated with 390 kids, and my school has only gotten bigger. Yeah. And I was like a small my town had two high schools, so we had two high schools, each graduating around 400 kids. So if we were all together, it would have been like 800. [00:13:33] Speaker B: We were pre k through twelve. All in the same school. [00:13:36] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. That's what my girlfriend has a little girl. Her little daughter Charlote just started kindergarten, and it's one of those K through twelve private kind of thing. Yeah, because then you don't have to even learn a new school, you know, where everything is. You really do. [00:13:52] Speaker B: But we did just build onto our school. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Really? [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah, we got a new basketball gym and we're really fortunate. Our town's really pretty lucky with it being that small. Yeah. [00:14:05] Speaker A: How many tornadoes have you experienced living in Oklahoma? Because I feel like that's part of the Oklahoma experience. Oklahoma, Missouri, Nebraska. Like you just deal with shit like that. [00:14:16] Speaker B: Okay, talking about tornadoes, first off, do. [00:14:19] Speaker A: You call them tornadoes or Twisters or what? What do you call them? [00:14:22] Speaker B: I mean tornadoes. [00:14:23] Speaker A: Tornadoes. [00:14:23] Speaker B: You've seen the movie Twister? Yes. So I grew up like ten minutes away from Twister. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Oh, no shit. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Wauquita. Yeah, I grew up. [00:14:32] Speaker A: No shit. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah, so that's been cool. Nobody goes there because it's really small. But yeah, I'm from Twister country, but I've only experienced probably it never hits Medford. Like the town isn't well, as long as I've been living there, we've never been, but probably I want to say I was in high school and a tornado did come through and I grew up out in the country and we didn't know if it was just like winds or a tornado. So we have the grain bins and it picked up our small grain bin and threw it. I don't know how it missed our house, but it went over top of our house and onto the road. So it probably went like 200 yards. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Wow. [00:15:21] Speaker B: It was crazy. So we don't really know if a tornado came through or not. We didn't really take any coverage or anything. We were just hanging out. Woke up the next morning and we didn't have a tree in our front yard anymore. And our grain bin had been flying around. So that was probably the worst tornado that came through because it ended up hitting my friend's grandpa's farm and totally. [00:15:46] Speaker A: Knocked everything had I was here for the I think there's been two since I've been like the week that the world shut down due to COVID, nashville got hit with a good size. Good size. It actually came right through this section of town too. Like hermitage like this area. It went right through it. Yeah. Fucked up a lot of things. East Nashville, the basement east where I first saw you. It went through the basement east. They had to rebuild that thing. [00:16:11] Speaker B: Really? [00:16:11] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Like went through it. There's like pictures of the sign for the basement east, like split in half. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, I need to go check that. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember going to East Nashville with my buddies with chainsaws and stuff, like cutting down like trees that fell on houses and cars and shit. It was nuts. In New York, we don't have fucking tornadoes. I was like, what is going on? We get like a foot of snow, which I know you guys get that in oklahoma, too? Yeah, it'll get cold as fuck in oklahoma. [00:16:39] Speaker B: It does get cold. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Cold as fuck. It'll also get hot as fuck. I've done shows out there in the summer. I've done shows out there in the winter. [00:16:46] Speaker B: We get all extremes in oklahoma. [00:16:49] Speaker A: Hail, snow, ice in oklahoma. I remember talking about with wyatt when we had him on the there's. For me, oklahoma is at the forefront of country music right now. The artists that are coming out of oklahoma, it always kind of has been. I mean, you look back at even bands like the great divide, like hinder, like turnpike, there's all these bands that come out now, obviously with folks like zach brian, folks like wyatt flores, girls like like oklahoma's got something to say and got a story to tell. And a lot of times it's a sad story. For some reason, motherfuckers in oklahoma are sad. [00:17:29] Speaker B: We are. [00:17:30] Speaker A: You guys are just sad. And Wyatt attributed it to just there not being a whole lot going on to, of course, historical events like tornadoes, like the Trail of Tears, like things that have just over time. It just feels like it's like the Mississippi Delta, like the Deep South where there's not a lot going on and there's a lot of areas that don't have reservation land and small town farmland and things like that. What do you think it is about oklahoma where you guys are just the songwriting is just mean, just like you. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Said, just like the history that goes back and I come know deep history of farmers who've been I mean, I remember my grandpa telling me that I think it was his dad. They lived in old train cars. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Whoa, that's old school. [00:18:22] Speaker B: Yeah. They built a house and it burnt down. Like, they spent all that time and money building this house, and it was really beautiful, and it burnt down to the ground. And they didn't have anything after that, so they had to live in these box cars for two years, I think is what ended up happening while they were trying to rebuild everything. And we still have our family estate, so that's cool. There's still cars out, like box cars out there and everything. And I think just over the years, these farmers have gone through so many in my situation, I come from I'm just relating it to myself. Yeah, there's been a lot of loss over the years, like you said, like the weather, you just never know. You don't know if it's going to rain or if we're going to have a terrible drought or we might get hailed out or whatever the case may be. We've had terrible years like this. Last year was pretty dang dry, and it was hard on our cattle, and a lot of people were having to sell all their cattle, and it's like. [00:19:29] Speaker A: What do you do? Yeah, you can't control that. You got to play with the hand you're dealt. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And also suicide runs so high in farmers that's a whole thing you can go, really? [00:19:42] Speaker A: I didn't know that. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of overlooked. Like, people don't talk about it. I know. People that have come, they just get too deep in a hole. You can't just go and pick up and say, hey, I want to be a farmer someday. You almost have to have it handed down through your family anymore to be able to be a farmer. So if you're growing up and you say, I want to be a farmer someday, the likeliness of it happening. You either have to have a lot of money or you have to have it handed down through your family almost, just because the price of farming is just so expensive anyways. And it's almost unheard of of of people just picking up and being a farmer. But there's a lot to it. There's a lot of heartache and just a lot of stress. Like, my goodness, I grew up with you ask a farmer during harvest season if they've had a heart attack or something because, my gosh, my dad, he's like one of the most stressed out people I've ever met in my life. Sweetest man. But when it's harvest time, you just. [00:20:51] Speaker A: Got to because he's passionate about it, because he knows well, he knows he has to provide, too. It's got to be that just like it is with any job, but especially something like that, where you're not just providing for yourself, but you're providing the food for the community, too. And there's so much shit that's out of your control, like we talked about with the weather and stuff. [00:21:10] Speaker B: And it really is all based around that, too. You have such a short time span because to get everything done within that time span, if it rains, it'll push you back further. And then there's a whole thing with all that, too. But yeah, it's stressful and it's hard on families, especially if you don't have time. Whatever. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Yeah. How young were you when you started helping out on the farm? Because I would imagine it had to be like, almost out of the womb, right? [00:21:45] Speaker B: I was involved around it my whole life. Yeah. But I have two older brothers, so my dad didn't super rely on me until I got a little older, but I knew how to drive a tractor and stuff from real little we had to learn how to do all of that. But I was probably like 16 ish whenever my dad started relying on me more. And then as I went because my brother has moved out and he didn't have anybody to really help anymore. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Where are they at? [00:22:20] Speaker B: They still live in Medford, actually, but they're both married and have kids. My brother I actually just had a niece. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Oh, really? Congratulations. That's awesome. What's her name? [00:22:30] Speaker B: Her name is Riley. She's named after my brother Ryan. [00:22:32] Speaker A: Nice. [00:22:33] Speaker B: I thought that was pretty cool. But yeah, I have two nieces and two nephews. [00:22:36] Speaker A: Wow. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a proud aunt. [00:22:40] Speaker A: That's awesome. Kids are fun. [00:22:42] Speaker B: They are fun. [00:22:43] Speaker A: Kids are a lot of fun. And for me, I've gotten to be around a little one. Like last night I was playing a Peppa Pig matching game with like a million cards on the table. [00:22:53] Speaker B: I've seen that. [00:22:55] Speaker A: I got smoked. My girlfriend, she got like 20 match. I got like eight. There was so many freaking cards. [00:23:00] Speaker B: Memory game, man. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And I don't have good memory. There's a reason I don't drink anymore and there's a reason I like going out to Oklahoma. You all have some of the best stuff out there, if you catch my drift. It's good stuff, but being around a kid just changes things a little bit, too. [00:23:17] Speaker B: It really does. [00:23:18] Speaker A: Puts it into perspective. A few years ago, I was bouncing at a bar here in Nashville. That's how I got my start was being a door guy at a bar on Broadway. And now it's like I'm in bed by 10:00 on a Tuesday night after helping put a little five year old girl to bed. How old are your niece and nephew? So you just had the newborn, the little baby? [00:23:40] Speaker B: Yes, we have a newborn and then we have so my other niece will be two in December. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:47] Speaker B: And she was born the day before my birthday. [00:23:49] Speaker A: Oh, awesome. [00:23:50] Speaker B: She's my little early birthday present. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:52] Speaker B: And then I have two nephews that are our little bonus babies and one of them is six. And I hate to get this wrong because I should probably know this, but I'm pretty sure the other one's ten ish okay. [00:24:05] Speaker A: So the boys being a little bit they're all siblings or is that with each of your brothers? [00:24:09] Speaker B: So the two boys and the newborn is with one brother and then the other little girl that's about to be twos with my oldest. [00:24:17] Speaker A: So those little girls are going to have protection with those boys. Growing up in small town Oklahoma, I. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Know they ain't got nothing to worry about. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Nothing to worry about. [00:24:25] Speaker B: They're probably going to be I already know my two year old niece about to be two year old niece. She's a spitfire. So I don't think she is nothing to worry about. She's going to be crazy. [00:24:37] Speaker A: We love that. Yeah. Growing up on the farm and stuff and growing up in small towns, what do you do for fun out there? Because it's a world I don't really know. [00:24:51] Speaker B: I feel like that question was asked so much, like, once I got to college, talking to my city friends. [00:24:56] Speaker A: But I'm like, where'd you go to college, by the way? [00:24:57] Speaker B: I went to college at Northwestern Oklahoma State University in Alva, Oklahoma. So shout out to the Rangers, ride, Rangers, ride. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Okay. [00:25:04] Speaker B: But I also went to NOC and Enid, so northern Oklahoma College. And I was in nursing school. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Okay. [00:25:11] Speaker B: I dropped out of nursing school to do music full time in 2020. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Wow. Bold move at a bold time. [00:25:18] Speaker B: I know. I cried for, like, a week because that stuff's hard, man. [00:25:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:25] Speaker B: I put a lot of time and effort into that, and it was a hard decision, but it was the best decision I've ever made. [00:25:33] Speaker A: You got to do what you got to do. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:25:35] Speaker A: You got to do that's. Like, what we're doing with the razor outdy shit. We're gambling on ourselves and doing something where it doesn't feel like work. And then I have a brother that works on Wall Street in New York City, does very well for himself, but he's stressed all the fuck. I have stresses, too, but he's like, dude, you're literally living the dream, and you're getting to live your dream, getting the right songs, and do what you want to do. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Tell some stories. Yeah, for sure. [00:25:59] Speaker A: So what do you do for fun? Back to the original question. I'm sorry. Both were you an ADHD kid, by the way? [00:26:04] Speaker B: Oh, I still am. [00:26:05] Speaker A: I am, too. I am, too. Let's go, baby. [00:26:08] Speaker B: I need to get on something, probably. [00:26:09] Speaker A: I don't know. You're good? [00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll be all over the place, but we would just drive out in the country or go hang out at somebody's house, and I don't know. We just kind of made our own fun. Growing up as a kid, we used to have, like, a little bike gang, and we would all ride our bikes. [00:26:29] Speaker A: The neighborhood bicycle gang we were. [00:26:31] Speaker B: And then once you get into high school, then you're either part of the good kids squad or the bad kids. [00:26:38] Speaker A: Squad out of the 17 kids. [00:26:39] Speaker B: Yeah. So you either try to try to hide the alcohol. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:45] Speaker B: I feel like I was kind of down the middle, though, because my family's a little like we're a fun time. We like to have a good time. And I was a little bit rebellious, but I was a pretty good kid. [00:26:56] Speaker A: What's a rebellious small town growing Oklahoma look like? What's something rebellious? Because I feel like you can't get away with a whole lot in a small town. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah, because your parents all know each other. They all have each other's. [00:27:07] Speaker A: They know your teachers. [00:27:08] Speaker B: They know the teachers. They all grew up together, too, most of them. So it's like, I feel like my friends and I, we'd be like, yeah, well, you tell your mom that you're coming to my house. I'll tell my mom I'm going to your house, and hopefully they don't ask any questions. So you just had to take a risk. I feel like that was, like, the adrenaline. So then we'd go and go do rebellious things, like go run off to a party or something. [00:27:35] Speaker A: A party in a field? Yes. I'm imagining field parties or, like, desert party, like a party where it's or. [00:27:44] Speaker B: On somebody's grandpa's ground somewhere out in the middle of nowhere. [00:27:49] Speaker A: A big bonfire. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Which we didn't have too many bonfires because the smoke or like, people would you don't want to get caught. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Because out there you can see for miles. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah. So we would just bring everybody's vehicles around in a little circle and use the lights if you need to, but we'd park our trucks in a circle, too, and everybody sit on, like, the tailgates or whatever and then just make sure you don't leave any trash behind. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Of what kind of truck were you driving? [00:28:22] Speaker B: I didn't drive a truck. [00:28:24] Speaker A: What was your first car? [00:28:25] Speaker B: I do now, though. I had a Ford Focus. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Oh, hell yeah. I was a Toyota Corolla kid. I was a Toyota Corolla kid. So I was in that little sedan. Good gas mileage. [00:28:35] Speaker B: I definitely cruised the back roads with. [00:28:37] Speaker A: My little Ford Focus. Really? Dust flying behind you, straight off rotor? Hell yeah. [00:28:45] Speaker B: I gave that thing some head. [00:28:47] Speaker A: What do you drive now? Because I'm in a truck now, too. We've graduated the trucks. [00:28:50] Speaker B: I drive a little Chevy truck. That was my grandpa's. I brought it out from Oklahoma. Her name's Candy. I had to give her a name whenever we came out here, so it was actually one of my we kept the truck and it was sitting in the shed. And I needed a vehicle out here because I was like, I don't have to drive my car back and forth, and I want something when I'm home because I still go home quite a bit. [00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:17] Speaker B: So I was like, I need something out here. So I got my little red, short bed, single cab Chevy truck, and I drive the heck out of it. It's given me some trouble lately, though. [00:29:30] Speaker A: That'll happen. [00:29:31] Speaker B: We're kind of fighting with that, but it's okay. There's no AC, but I got my little crank window. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Oh, crank windows. Hell yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Crank the windows down. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Old school. I love it. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker A: That's cool to be driving a grandpa's truck like that, too. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. [00:29:47] Speaker A: It has that family feel. It's like the Lee Bryce song. I drive your truck. You were close with your grandparents, I'm imagining. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I was the baby of 40 grandkids. [00:29:57] Speaker A: 40. [00:29:58] Speaker B: 40. [00:29:59] Speaker A: All in the same small town. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so my grandparents had twelve kids. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Farm hands. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Farm hands, for sure. I think that seriously, they just need. [00:30:10] Speaker A: That'S part of the old school mentality. Yeah. The more we have in the family, the more help we got on the farm. Less people we got to pay, the. [00:30:18] Speaker B: More people you got to feed. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Yes. More mouths you got to feed. For sure. [00:30:22] Speaker B: But it worked out. I come from a pretty good family, and my grandma was like, my hero, so both my grandmas, I have the best grandmas. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Why do you say that? [00:30:34] Speaker B: She's just like being able to raise that many kids for one. I think it just I figured most people would go crazy, right? [00:30:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker B: She just was the most calm, sweet she's passed. Now both my grandparents on my dad's side's passed. I had the twelve kids. But she was just so calm and sweet and she could make anything and I don't know, it's just like the humbleness and peacefulness of her was just so inspiring. I actually have a song coming out here pretty soon that I wrote for them. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Really? [00:31:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:11] Speaker A: What's it called? [00:31:13] Speaker B: Golden picture frames. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Because my grandma, she had like pictures up all over her wall. Plastic grandma stuff covering in gold picture frames. And so everybody's pictures like all of her kids senior pictures, her senior pictures, her and my grandpa. All the weddings and all the grandkids on one wall. [00:31:33] Speaker A: So was it literally just a whole wall of pictures? Like a tree where it just expanded out? [00:31:38] Speaker B: It was like the whole house the. [00:31:39] Speaker A: Whole house was just pictures. It's like a museum, like a family museum. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Almost literally. It was like a museum. That's a great way of putting it. So when I think of her, I always think of that they all have the same golden picture frames. It's just kind of funny because you think of like an old grandma. You think of that, it takes you back to your grandma's house. [00:32:01] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah. I grew up very close to my grandparents as we on my mom's side, both my mom and my dad's side. But on my mom's side because I grew up in the same town that my mom did and that my grandparents did. And the same area, and it has granted was a suburb of New York, a little different than small town Oklahoma. But I grew up always living within ten minutes of them and having days where to be. My grandma would call it Grammy days, like grandma days. So where I'd spend the whole day with her kind of thing and very close and still close with them. And they're back up north right now. But there's something special to having a good relationship with your grandparents. I'm very excited for that song to come out because my grandma also had pictures everywhere. Then we upgraded her to the digital picture frame where it changes out. So it's one frame and you can put like a few hundred pictures on there. So it rotates on the wall. Save some space on the wall for all of her other stuff. All of her other stuff that she's got. Shout out to grandma. We jokingly call her I jokingly call her g unit. G unit. And she's like the grandma out of if you've ever seen Everybody Loves Raymond. [00:33:06] Speaker B: Yes, I used to watch that all. [00:33:07] Speaker A: The like she's like Raymond's mom. She's a personality. Just the curly hair. Been dyeing her hair for years. There's something special about having a good relationship with your grandparents. [00:33:20] Speaker B: I agree. And my other granny, my mom's mom, I just took her to Jamaica with me. [00:33:25] Speaker A: You just took her to Jamaica? Yeah. You took Granny out of the country? [00:33:28] Speaker B: We did. And my aunt got married. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Oh, awesome. [00:33:31] Speaker B: Granny was shimmying all over the place. [00:33:34] Speaker A: Whoa. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Drinking drinks by the party Granny. [00:33:39] Speaker A: Party Granny. [00:33:40] Speaker B: She's where I get the wild side from. [00:33:41] Speaker A: The wild side. [00:33:42] Speaker B: But then, yeah, there's a lot of balance that goes on. [00:33:45] Speaker A: It is all about balance. Yeah, it really is. [00:33:48] Speaker B: She's fun, and she's still kicking it. She's about to be 79. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Wow. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Just rock. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Has she made it out to Nashville yet to visit you? [00:33:56] Speaker B: She's got to come out one time for a Bachelorete party. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Was it your sister in law's bachelorette party? What was that like? Because you were out, I'm guessing you were involved in that as well. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. So we had to do the whole Nashville Bachelorete thing. [00:34:12] Speaker A: Did you guys do a pedal tavern or a party bus? [00:34:13] Speaker B: We did a party bus. [00:34:14] Speaker A: We got granny on there. [00:34:16] Speaker B: I got video of that. I might have to pull that out here eventually. But she dances, she has a fun time, has her drinks, and we even did the whole wig thing, and everybody was taking pictures with Granny out on Broadway. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Of course, if I was at Whiskey Row when that had happened, I would have definitely I would have taken the picture with the Granny. Granny would have had all my attention. [00:34:39] Speaker B: We need to bring her here sometime. [00:34:40] Speaker A: We do. We need to bring Granny out for one of our we need to have you play one of our raised rowdy nights and bring Granny out because Granny definitely raised you. That's the Granny that raised your that's. [00:34:51] Speaker B: That'S why I wanted to say something. [00:34:52] Speaker A: About we talk we talk about that in going back, like, the history of raise rowdy, like, when Nikki T had first started it back in Pittsburgh back in 2016. 2017. The artists coming up then were Luke Combs, Riley Green, Muscadine, all those guys. And their moms loved the concept of raise. Right. Because they're like, Damn right, we raised them rowdy. [00:35:13] Speaker B: That's my mom say the same thing. [00:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah, we love that, and that's awesome. And we love seeing the balance of, like because I think of you, I think of, like, sweet farm girl from Oklahoma. Don't know a ton about her. Your music. Fucking slaps. Love your music. You do a great job, and you're still figuring it out and learning and growing. But you have this wild side, too, and we love the wild side because that's also raised rowdy. Did you go to a lot of concerts and stuff growing up? [00:35:40] Speaker B: I mean, we did a little bit. My family likes the whole classic rock stuff, so we'd go to all the old rock shows. [00:35:49] Speaker A: Like who. [00:35:50] Speaker B: I mean, we went to, like, a ZZ Top thing. I remember at all the casino show. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Oh, yes. You go, choctaw casino. Yeah, casinos are fun. I love that you guys have slot machines in the damn gas stations. That was always one of my favorite things to do, touring through oklahoma. [00:36:06] Speaker B: It's weird not having casinos out here, by the way. [00:36:09] Speaker A: Well, there's one have you been to the one in kentucky? There's one right over the border, like 30, 40 minutes outside of nashville. You cross the border, boom. Casino. [00:36:18] Speaker B: That's what my day to day manager is from kentucky, and she's telling me about that. I actually took her to her first casino in oklahoma. That was kind of fun. [00:36:25] Speaker A: The oklahoma casino scene is different. Choctaw is cool. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Yes, it is. I'm trying to think, too, of who else I'm like off the top of my head. [00:36:35] Speaker A: ZZ top. That's a pretty cool had. [00:36:37] Speaker B: It was so funny. I mean, this isn't really that funny, but it was funny to me just because I never seen this before. They had, like, medical assistants on the side of the stage. [00:36:46] Speaker A: Whoa. They had, like, medical help for billy gibbons and those guys, and I was. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Like, what is going on? Like, please, nobody have a heart attack. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:57] Speaker B: My gosh. But it was just I had never seen that. But they were, like, on call. Side stage on call. [00:37:05] Speaker A: Yeah. That's crazy. I remember one of the first shows because I worked in radio for a long time. That's kind of how I got my start doing this media stuff. I was a radio guy, and the last station I worked for was called magic 98.3. Their slogan was today's hits, yesterday's favorites, magic 98.3. I still got the radio. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Yes, you do. [00:37:22] Speaker A: But it was like soccer mom stuff. So it was like oldies mixed with, like, taylor swift, bruno mars, a lot of bon jovi, a lot of bruce springsteen because it was in jersey. A lot of charlie puth, a lot of jersey guys. But one of the first contests that I remember, because I worked on the promo team and did the intern thing was a paul anka concert, if you know who paul anka is. So I don't I didn't really know who he was. And then I told my grandparents about it. My grandma and grandpa like, oh, my god, paul anka. They were, like, freaking out. It was like this old guy that used to do it was like wayne newton kind of stuff, like, out in vegas. I remember going to that show, and we had to do, like, the prize wheel and all the radio shit and just these old people. It was a lot of walkers, like, helping people their wheelchairs, like, wheeling people in. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the concerts I used to go to. They were all, like, old people getting wheeled in wheelchairs. [00:38:12] Speaker A: What was your first country concert experience? [00:38:15] Speaker B: My first country concert experience would have had to have been in high school. My mom took me to a casey musgraves concert at Kane's Ballroom in Tulsa. [00:38:24] Speaker A: What a show. Shout out to you mom for taking Caitlin to a Casey Musgraves show. I was so at Keynes, too. Legendary place. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Legendary. Because I didn't really go to a whole lot of concerts growing up. [00:38:42] Speaker A: You also didn't have a ton going on. [00:38:44] Speaker B: No, we didn't. And my family's not I mean, they're not big into going out like that anyways or do anything. We're kind of boring, but we had fun at home. But we didn't really go out to shows or do anything like that. But once I got into high school, I started going out to calf fry. So also shout out again to the yeah. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Is I've I'm bummed because I want to get out to calf fry so bad. So something that Carrie and I think it's Miss Kay who's out there, the crew at Tumbleweed, every time we would go out there, particularly when I was out there with Trey Lewis, who's a regular out there, he usually does one or two shows a year out there. They hook us up with leftover merch from the different festivals. So I have an outside city, an OCL shirt. I have caf fry shirts from the last few years. Every time we go out there, they hook us up with different merchandise and stuff. So I have a bunch of caf fry merch, but I've never been to a caf fry festival. But it's always the same time of year as the Key West Songwriters Festival, which we go down to and we host happy hours at for Raise Rowdy. Like, that's a big week for us. So what I think we're going to do this year, what we're going to try to do, we have a guy, Sam, who used to live in Stillwater. He's from Cincinnati originally, but he was in the military and then lived out in Still Water. He's big into that scene of like, the Austin Meads, the Coetzels, the Mitchell Ferguson's, the Gannon Furmans, like that whole world, the Texas, Oklahoma, the red dirt. [00:40:11] Speaker B: Red dirt. [00:40:12] Speaker A: So I think we're going to try to send him out to Cap Fry this year to experience it for us while we're down, while we're down spending way too money at the beach. [00:40:20] Speaker B: You have to you have to it used to be wild, like we used to all tailgate right next to it, but they've kind of had to shut that down within the know, few years. But while I was still in school know, in my prime, we had some rowdy. We'll talk about Rowdy. We had some rowdy, I bet. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Rowdy times, I bet. I want to get Nikki T out to still water because Nikki's never done Oklahoma or Texas. And I've been blessed to be able to go out there on tour and stuff. And the Oklahoma scene, it's just people really appreciate the music. What's interesting about that scene, too, is and it struck me as being something very different, the dancing culture out there. So it's like you go and play a show, tumbleweed not as much, but you go to different venues and people usually you go to a show in the south. It's like a rock show. People are in the crowd, standing in the pit, and then it's going back from the barricade. You go to a dance hall, people are all around the side. The sides are packed. And then the dance floor is empty. The band starts playing. They like the song. They get out there and they start dancing. And then the song ends and they hop off. And then they wait to see how the next song sounds. Then they go out there and dance again. If they can dance to it. [00:41:32] Speaker B: I place a lot of shows like that, actually. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what your scene is. It's so different. I've talked to so many artists that are from Nashville or from the south that come out from this side of things, go touring out there and they're like, man, it was weird out there. And I'm like I'm like, dude, it's just the culture. It's twirling around the dance floor and then they're still watching and listening. But it's just the dance floor is the dance floor. No drinks on the dance floor. Dance floor is a sacred kind of thing. Like twirling someone around at Canes is a different world, for sure. So have you done shows outside of Oklahoma's? I mean, you've done the stuff with See, so for you, was there a little bit of, like, culture shock doing shows in the Southeast or in different parts of the country compared to the scene you come? [00:42:22] Speaker B: I I would have to say mean, for one, it's just being out on, like a tour anyways, it's going to be different. But yeah, I think honestly, the biggest one was going from different towns and realizing how different, like, the different places will react differently to you. Getting up on had out in Raleigh, North Carolina. Shout out to North Carolina because I. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Fucking love North Carolina. I love it. [00:42:53] Speaker B: I can't even compare compare it to anything else. It was just like you get up on stage and they immediately respect you and they just take you in like their family. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Do you remember what the venue was in Raleigh? Was it a theater? [00:43:08] Speaker B: It was a theater. [00:43:08] Speaker A: It was the Lincoln Theater, I think. It's like very old. There's like the balcony. It's like a theater. But there's not seats on the bottom. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Correct. [00:43:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I've done a couple of shows in there. Oh, my gosh, it's a cool spot. And that's where guys like American Aquarium got their start and a lot of bands in the Americana scene in the Southeast got their start. And I've been out there a few times. It's a cool spot. [00:43:32] Speaker B: It's a cool spot. And they're loud and they never even heard my songs before. And they were like, picking it up and singing it along with me. And I was like, Hell, yeah. You all are cool. [00:43:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker B: And then you have other places where you'll I mean, I feel like everybody everywhere was a little bit know, like going from Kansas, which was more of my where that's more of where, you know and it was more like I felt like it was kind of more like Oklahoma show a little bit. [00:44:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it is the Midwest. It's a flyover state. It is, sure. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And a lot of the same kind of know, farm kids type of thing. And then you go from that and then out to Raleigh. It's just totally different. [00:44:20] Speaker A: How many dates did you do with Wyatt? Because you did a lot this past, right? [00:44:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, I don't know the exact number. I missed three shows because I got sick. Like real sick. And it wasn't COVID, but I don't like, I lost my voice. [00:44:39] Speaker A: I was coughing my head off. [00:44:40] Speaker B: And I had to miss three shows up in. [00:44:45] Speaker A: Missed that. You were supposed to go to the rave. Yeah, the rave. I remember telling so I had Wyatt on the podcast at our old Space right before he was getting ready to go out there. And I told him, Chicago cool as fuck. Chicago. Chicago in the summer is one of my favorite places to go. And the food's great. The people are great. They're a legal state. It's awesome. And they love country music. It's one of country music's biggest markets. And Joe's on Joe's joe's live. Shout out to Ed and Dave and our friends up in Chicago. Fantastic place. Milwaukee's cool because you know the history of that room. The Rave Eagle Club. [00:45:25] Speaker B: I don't know the history behind it, but I kind of looked a little bit into is that the one in the big hotel? [00:45:31] Speaker A: That's the big hotels across the street. So it's Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer country. So the Rave Eagle club. It used to be like an old rich people's kind of club where it just has a lot of history to it. There's the pool in the basement. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:46] Speaker A: And that's where the Mac Miller things on the plexiglass. I know. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:51] Speaker A: And that's where Wyatt and all them they give you the Ghost Tour. Like the History Tour because it's the place they have, like, three or four venues in that building where they can do three or four shows at one time. There's the big ballroom upstairs. There's the bar stage. There's, like, what used to be like, the old bowling alley. And that's a stage. And then they have a club stage on the main level where the Bar stage is at. And it's crazy, but you walk in I remember getting the goosebumps because I get weird with Ghost shit. I can feel the vibes even in newer buildings. My girlfriend's apart. It'll be like the middle of the night and she'll be like, babe, what's up? I'll be like, I just heard something. I get like this weird energy kind of thing. [00:46:28] Speaker B: That's me. [00:46:30] Speaker A: I lived in a haunted house. It was right around the corner here in Hermitage. The house I lived in before, the one I'm in now. Haunted as fuck, for sure. Haunted as fuck. Dang, my roommate, he works like, security and he's like text me. He's like, did you hear that? And I'm like, yeah, I heard that. And he's like, all right, I'm going to clear the house real quick. Like thinking someone was in it, but nobody was in it. That's crazy wash machine will go off random times. The dishwasher, like appliances will just go off. You'll hear a door shut, you're like, nobody's in this house but me. What the fuck? [00:46:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like I've kind of had some weird I don't know, maybe it's just like me being over cautious or something. But I get freaked out by that stuff. [00:47:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I do too. I get spooked. [00:47:09] Speaker B: But I am interested in like that whole haunted hotel thing or like the haunted building place. [00:47:16] Speaker A: I was all about that's. Like that. And then the national, it's a theater out in Richmond, Virginia. That's another one that has some interesting things that they'll take you upstairs, you're like, that's a little weird up it's. There's some weird stuff that's going on in this building. And it's funny how music venues are like that. Radio stations are a lot like that. Like the radio station I worked in, we had ghost catchers or a ghost thing come in there and do like a report on it. [00:47:42] Speaker B: In your radio station? [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah, at the radio station, yeah, because I used to work the overnight. I used to be in there, like late night I used to sleep at that radio station because it was so far away from the house I grew up in. So where we'd have like a late night thing and then next morning I'd have to be on the air like six in the morning. So I'd be like, oh, pop up the air mattress, sleep my boss's office. But you'd hear stuff, like alarm system would go off. Like just weird. You'd see shadows. You'd be in the main studio and then you'd look over to the window and then you'd see like a shadow in the room. Just weird stuff. And you're the only one in the building. Like weird shit. [00:48:14] Speaker B: It's a no for me. [00:48:15] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. You got golden picture frames coming and. [00:48:21] Speaker B: Then you've and I got three songs coming. [00:48:23] Speaker A: Three songs coming to drop a whole EP. [00:48:26] Speaker B: I am. [00:48:27] Speaker A: Fuck yeah, I am. That's awesome because you've got how many songs out now? You've got what, like four or five something? [00:48:33] Speaker B: I got I have three. [00:48:34] Speaker A: I was looking at your spotify stuff. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Just released two. I actually just released a song called Mr. Sunshine. One of my good friends passed away back in 2019 while we were on a harvest run up in Iowa. And so I wrote a song for her and released it on her 30th birthday this year. So I got to do that. That was pretty cool. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:57] Speaker B: I wanted to include her in this EP for sure because it's about my life, like, leading up to now. [00:49:04] Speaker A: I feel like a big part of your music is the stories of what you've gotten to live over your 25 years and you're figuring it out more and more as you go. Have you done the co writing thing here in Nashville since you've been out here or were you doing that in Oklahoma before you came out? [00:49:21] Speaker B: I didn't do it as much in Oklahoma before I came out here, but I definitely have while I've been out here, I've been really lucky to get to write with some absolutely legends, just absolutely amazingly talented people. And it's been a very awesome learning experience. I've been mentored a little bit, I feel like, in the writing rooms. And it's really changed the way that I've been able to write my songs and be able to tell the stories. So that's been pretty cool. [00:49:56] Speaker A: That's awesome. So what are some goals for you for 2024? Where do you hope? And that getting ready to put the EP out. And 2023 seems like it's been a big year for you. In the step in the right direction. They're like, all right, I've been in Nashville for a little bit, get the lay of the land, find your homies that you like to create with, get some shows out of town. Seems like it's been a great year. What are you looking forward to getting into next year? [00:50:17] Speaker B: I would have to say just being able to release another EP after the one that I'm going to drop the EP at the beginning of the year, but I want to be able to release another one okay. By next year and just be able to keep up with what I already got going on. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:50:36] Speaker B: So maybe hop on another tour. We'll see. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that'd be really cool. You get the experience doing that. Now when you're out doing these shows, are you doing it with a band or are you doing it you're doing a full band? I think you were full band when I saw you at Basement East, right? [00:50:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So actually, if you notice, I played with Wyatt's band. [00:50:56] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. I didn't. Yeah. [00:50:57] Speaker B: So that was actually my band to begin with. We started out in Oklahoma and then I was super happy for everybody to get to go and Wyatt got all these awesome experiences, opportunities, so they were able to go and experience and live out what they're wanting to do. And I've been able to be a part of all of that. So it's been absolutely awesome. I love those dudes. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Yeah. It reminds me of because when I came, like, the circles that I've been a part of and been lucky the friends I've been lucky to make and the guys I've been lucky to tour with. It's like you'll have a crew, like your friend group and all that, and then someone from the friend group will have that moment where the world is watching him or her or them, if it's a band. And then the rest of the gang will come up as well. We're coming up on the three year anniversary of when my life changed. When Trey Lewis put out Dick down in Dallas, trey was just a buddy. He's sober, I'm sober. Like, we got to know each other very well during COVID And then when that song came out, which it started out as a campfire song, and he played it at our round at Live Oak and video went viral and all that stuff. And we did a night of like, we're coming up, we're going to be doing it again soon, where it's Trey and our budy Alex Maxwell, who produced that song. He's right at Sony now. Alex Maxwell and Trey Lewis's birthdays are a day apart, so we do a big birthday party for them every year. And we had planned this birthday party. It was actually the first time that Nikki T. And I had worked together on something. And that mean. We had guys like Matt McKinney, Ella Langley, Joy Beth Taylor. All these friends play with that. And now all those folks ended up getting the eyes on them as a result of Trey and Trey bringing them along, bringing them up with like, someone reaches that level and then, hey, let me bring you up too. You guys are watching me. But it's like Wyatt saying, check out my girl Caitlin. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Check out my boys from Oklahoma. Check out all the rest of the crew. And I feel like the Oklahoma crew is a lot like that, where you guys have all kind of come up together and everybody's starting to excel at their own pace but getting the attention because of a big moment of one individual within your crew. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Absolutely. It's just like a family. [00:53:14] Speaker A: It is. It literally is. And you guys have all lived together, right? [00:53:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:19] Speaker A: Like, you guys were all homies. How'd you meet Wyatt? Because I know he grew up just outside of Stillwater. Right. [00:53:24] Speaker B: And I grew up like an hour away from Stillwater, but we actually met at a show at the Tumbleweed, back to the Tumbleweed. [00:53:33] Speaker A: Which show? [00:53:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's called jamin at the weed. And we were in the same so in Oklahoma, there's a bunch of know people trying to start up in the music industry. And we were both a part of that same crew and we had know writers round going on that specific day that he ended up being in my round. And I just played a show the night before at the Tumbleweed and he was there. Wyatt was watching. And so after we got done with our riders round, he came up and he was like, dude, I watched you last night and you're awesome. And he's like, Where have you been? I've never heard of you. And so we just started to talk, and we stayed in touch and he actually I always like to tell this story just because I think it's freaking hilarious. Yeah, we got these posters and our names. We were in the same group, and he's like, Will you sign my poster? I was like, yeah, man, I got you. [00:54:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:31] Speaker B: I was like, well, you signed my yeah. And so we became really good friends after that, and we actually ended up playing lots of shows in Oklahoma together. And before we knew it, we were both out here in Nashville. Like, we came out together. We're on the same pub and same label, and so we've been able to work together. And it's been so freaking cool to watch him just because he's like my little baby brother. It's such an honor to get to watch him, especially such a good person like him. [00:55:06] Speaker A: To see good people win is one of the best parts of this whole thing, dude. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Yes. It's been such a cool experience to be kind of, like on the sideline and get to he's had you on. [00:55:19] Speaker A: The fucking field with him. He's had you on the field with him and had his band and his management, all people that you guys have made this journey out here to Nashville from small town Oklahoma, made it out here to a scene where you guys could have gone to Texas or could have stayed out there and been like, we're red dirt folks. Which is cool for guys and girls to do too. Nothing against that. But you guys all took this leap to move across the country together, and it's fucking working. [00:55:46] Speaker B: It is. It really is. We didn't know if it would or not, but it's just the fact that just trying out something and it working. It's just such a fulfilling thing. Yes, it's freaking cool. [00:55:59] Speaker A: It's awesome. No. And I love that. Now, some questions. So favorite places to go in Nashville? Like, somebody's coming out here. Where are you taking? [00:56:09] Speaker B: Haven't. Really? I'm not one to go out a whole lot and check it out, but when I bring friends to town, I have a couple of spots. Of course. Everybody needs to go experience Broadway. If you haven't gone, if you come to Nashville, you have to at least experience it during the day at times. It's crazy. [00:56:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:29] Speaker B: But also old smokey like fifth and. [00:56:34] Speaker A: So It's so cool. It's got three fucking names. It's so cool. And me and my girlfriend and her friends joke around about all the time. They're basically saying, oh, you're going to Old Smokey? Are you sure you're not going to Yeehaw? Are you sure you're not going to 6th and Fifth home? That's okay. One street over. No big deal. [00:56:52] Speaker B: I was just call it. [00:56:54] Speaker A: I love that place. On a Saturday during football season. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:56:57] Speaker A: They got all the fucking games. You got to get there early though. We show up when the doors open because you have to get a table and it's so fucking crazy in there. [00:57:06] Speaker B: But they got everything. They do food, they got games, they got drinks. [00:57:09] Speaker A: Daddy's dogs. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Daddy's dogs. I know. Oh man, daddy's dogs. Don't get me started. [00:57:14] Speaker A: What's your order? [00:57:15] Speaker B: I love me a hot dog. Honestly, I don't even remember. I've only had it like one time. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:57:21] Speaker B: But it changed my life. [00:57:22] Speaker A: We used to get those on Broadway all the time when I was working down there. You get done with your night shift and then the hot dog guys would give you free hot dogs. [00:57:29] Speaker B: It reminds me of Stillwater. Yeah, they got a little hot dog stand in Stillwater that we all would make a line. It's like half a mile long, just. [00:57:38] Speaker A: Waiting for a hot like so so Broadway, Old Smokey, 6th and Peabody Yeehaw, all one place. [00:57:46] Speaker B: And then of course I don't know. I like the basement east, too. [00:57:53] Speaker A: The basement east is cool. The OG basement is a cool vibe. That's kind of where Wyatt cut his teeth in Nashville. He was doing a lot of showcases there early on, I think. [00:58:02] Speaker B: I really like the OG basement. [00:58:04] Speaker A: That's just something about it. [00:58:05] Speaker B: I like going down to all the little touristy little spots like twelveTH Ave. twelveTH south? Yeah. [00:58:12] Speaker A: Twelve south. Have you eaten at Urban Grub yet? [00:58:15] Speaker B: I've not ever ate there. [00:58:17] Speaker A: Urban Grub is so fucking good. It's expensive. It's nice. [00:58:20] Speaker B: I've heard it's expensive. [00:58:21] Speaker A: It's expensive. But it is so it's a good place if you're like celebrating something. That place is great. Edley's Barbecue is great. Bar taco. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:29] Speaker A: Is fucking phenomenal. [00:58:31] Speaker B: Delicious. [00:58:32] Speaker A: My girlfriend's been living in the Gulch since April, so I'd never really went to Twelve South of the Gulch. But I've gotten to experience those sections of the city and they're great. Really good food. [00:58:44] Speaker B: And it's very girly down there. [00:58:45] Speaker A: It is very girly. That's why I go down there with my girlfriend. [00:58:48] Speaker B: Great place to take your lady. [00:58:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Or if you're a single dude looking for a group of bachelorette, go buy them flowers at the flower truck or something. That's a good recommendation. If you're on the road or you're driving back to Oklahoma, you pull into a loves. What are you getting? [00:59:03] Speaker B: I got me an order. We made a TikTok about this. [00:59:06] Speaker A: Oh really? [00:59:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:07] Speaker A: I didn't know. [00:59:10] Speaker B: I I know this. Some people think it's gross, but I'm like obsessed with corn nuts. Ranch corn nuts? [00:59:15] Speaker A: Corn nuts? Yes. They sell them by the bag like it's like a corn what? I don't know, I've never had corn nuts are no. Maybe we call them something different. I don't know. [00:59:26] Speaker B: I've never had no, they're definitely called cornuts. [00:59:29] Speaker A: Corn nuts. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Yes. So corn nuts. And then I like sweet and spicy doritos. [00:59:34] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:34] Speaker B: Purple bags. [00:59:36] Speaker A: You're a purple bag girl. Purple bag girl. Okay. [00:59:40] Speaker B: Just on occasion, I'll get some candy, but they didn't have the candy. I don't know. I feel like they don't have them as often. They used to be a big thing when we were kids. I feel like the little mini sweet tart thing. [00:59:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:51] Speaker B: All deals chewy sweet tarts. [00:59:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:54] Speaker B: I love them. And I don't know, like a diet pop or something. [01:00:00] Speaker A: Okay. You just told me you're from the Midwest. Without telling me you're from the Midwest. You just said a diet pop. We say soda. Soda. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Diet soda. [01:00:09] Speaker A: Soda. Soda. S-O-D-A. Soda. We don't say all that pop stuff. [01:00:14] Speaker B: I don't, uh I feel like I say both. [01:00:18] Speaker A: You say both. [01:00:19] Speaker B: Soda pop. [01:00:20] Speaker A: Soda pop. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Soda. [01:00:22] Speaker A: It's like pop country pop soda. That's awesome. Well, Caitlin, I appreciate you coming on. It's been fun to get to know. Like, I like doing podcasts with guys and girls that I know of them, and I've seen them play and met them very briefly. But getting to know you on the podcast is the best way to do it. Yeah, it's fun. [01:00:43] Speaker B: I love this. [01:00:44] Speaker A: It's a lot of fun. And I'll invite you to this. I don't know when you're going back because I know you go back to Oklahoma a lot. We're doing our razor addy Christmas party. Have you ever been to the Rusty Nail? [01:00:53] Speaker B: I haven't. [01:00:54] Speaker A: So it's out here in Hermitage. [01:00:55] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:55] Speaker A: It's a dive bar to live real close to Hermitage dive bar. It's a lot of fun. It's a place where you get $3 beers. They got a beach volleyball court in the back. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:04] Speaker A: They'll do midget wrestling out back occasionally. They'll do bike nights during the summer. On Fridays, we do writers rounds there and stuff. And then they'll even do fucking drag shows on the weekends. Everything goes. They have like, fried food and they're really good people. We're doing our Raised Rowdy Christmas party there. December 13. It's a Wednesday. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Perfect. [01:01:26] Speaker A: If you're in town, I'll be here. Bring the whole game. It's come as you are. Come with whoever. We're doing a toy drive with it. You bring a toy, you get a free draft beer. [01:01:36] Speaker B: Oh, awesome. [01:01:37] Speaker A: It's raised rowdy. And then we're not having anybody play, like, no rounds or anything. We're doing karaoke the whole night, so it'll be karaoke. You're going to sing some? I'll sing some creed. We do butt rock. We're big butt rock people. You're probably like, what is butt rock? So it's back when radio stations used to say, like, 129 the buz nothing but rock. So it's like, ninety s and two thousand s rock. So it's like Hinder, Creed, nickelback, limp biscuit, corn. So I'll probably be up there singing. My go to is usually Rockstar my nickelback. [01:02:09] Speaker B: That's great. [01:02:10] Speaker A: Or stroking by Clarence Carter. Which is a completely different thing. I did that with my boy Nick Cain's about a month ago. But we'll be doing it's a fun late night bar. But we'll let your team know, too. Everybody's invited. If you're watching this, you're invited to December 13 at the Rusty Nail. Come as you are. I don't think the Rusty Nail is ready because we're just inviting everybody. And it's like Christmas parties are usually, like formal. Like, you got to get dressed up and shit. This is like, literally come as you are. We're saying BYOB bring your own beer money because we can't afford an open bar, but it's $3 beers. You can get jello shots and syringes. They call them tetanus shots. Jello shots, $2. [01:02:49] Speaker B: Awesome. [01:02:50] Speaker A: It's like hometown bar shit. [01:02:51] Speaker B: That's freaking awesome. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a place you can actually afford to drink and free parking. There's a big parking lot, so it's not like midtown where you have to worry about paying for parking or drinks are expensive and stuff. And we definitely have to get you at one of our rounds at Live Oak, too. [01:03:08] Speaker B: I would love that. [01:03:09] Speaker A: We would love to have you on a writer's round and get you connected with some of our other folks that are rising up and stuff. Where can people go to find you on all the socials and stuff? [01:03:19] Speaker B: It's Caitlin Killian music on Instagram. Twitter. I think Twitter may be actually a little different. [01:03:24] Speaker A: It's like called x. Oh, yeah. [01:03:26] Speaker B: It's. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Do you tweet much? [01:03:33] Speaker B: I'm terrible. [01:03:34] Speaker A: I was going to say I don't do that shit at all. I tried the Threads thing for a little bit, and that didn't really. [01:03:41] Speaker B: I used to be a lot better, but. [01:03:43] Speaker A: I prefer Instagram and Facebook are my go to. And the TikToks, you're on the right. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yes. I forget. [01:03:53] Speaker A: It's important. [01:03:55] Speaker B: The important. [01:03:57] Speaker A: And of course and of course, Spotify. Apple Music. [01:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Caitlin killian music. And yeah, I also want YouTube. I just released a music video. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Oh, really? [01:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So you have to check that out. [01:04:07] Speaker A: Sick. We'll put the link for that in the description because this whole episode will be on YouTube and that we'll get those subscribers up and everything. That's awesome. Well, y'all be sure to check out our girl Caitlin Killer. Do we have a date on golden picture frames? [01:04:21] Speaker B: Do we know it will be coming out in January? [01:04:24] Speaker A: Okay. January. All right. So starting out 2024, you'll be sure. Follow our girl, Caitlin Killian. You'll get all the details on the new music, the new EP, all kinds of good shit. And yeah, it's been a pleasure getting to know you, SIS. [01:04:37] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Of course. Anytime. We'll do it again. Maybe towards the end of next year, we can recap here, 2024 and all that stuff. Let's do it. Well, be sure to check out Caitlin Killian. Appreciate you guys and girls for watching. As always, be sure to follow her on all the socials. Be on the lookout for the new music and shout out as always, to our friends big Friendly Productions, Saxman Studios, Whale, Ten Media our boy Mitch boss with the Digital Marketing Agency. You want to know more about us, visit raisedrowdy.com you enjoyed what you heard and watched. Hit that subscribe button like rate subscribe. Tell your mama and them well, as always, this has been outside the round with me, Matt Burrell. You all have a great rest of your day. One place for too long. I never been the best at this. I love you. To a girl I love. Only got a couple tricks on my sleeve.