Jim Prisco, Workhorse Artists

[00:00:15] Speaker A: This is outside the round with Matt Burrill. A razor outdy podcast. [00:00:25] Speaker B: What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to outside the round. Your boy Matt Burrill. And today we've got a very special episode. So as you guys may have seen, we launched a brand new podcast in the Raze Rowdy Podcast Network. This week we have got behind the Music biz with our longtime, forever Raze Rowdy intern, a kid that's rising in the music business. We got our boy, mr. Peyton heeban. Peyton is going to be co hosting today's episode with me. And I've got one of my favorite guys in town because we come from the same part of the country. We understand bagels. We understand Taylor Ham. We understand pizza. We pull hard for teams like the Yankees, the Rangers, all the New York stuff. He's a guy that spent years on the road, is now in town managing and just crushing it and has a great story to tell. And we're going to be talking a lot of music business stuff, life stuff with him. We've got our boy, Mr. Jim Prisco. Jim, how the hell are you doing, my man? [00:01:17] Speaker A: Doing good, man, real good. Just hanging out. Just got back from Salt Lake. [00:01:22] Speaker B: What were you doing out there? [00:01:24] Speaker A: A big convention for like affairs and festivals. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Yeah. [00:01:27] Speaker A: So one of the guys from the Neil Agency. Brian Carruthers. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Oh, dude love Brian. [00:01:32] Speaker A: He's like one of the best people on the planet. Like for real. So him and I took Ella out there and we did a little showcase at Dave and Buster's. It was pretty cool. And then we just walked around and hung out with a bunch of folks. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Dude, that is so cool to do a showcase at Dave and Busters. Like I grew up doing that shit at the Palisades Mall in West Nyek, new York. I spend a lot of time at the Dave and Busters. [00:01:54] Speaker A: I know that spot. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. So that's cool to be out there for. And you talk about Ella Langley right now, and we'll get into kind of your history, how you got started with everything. But right now, two artists you're working with workhorse that's freaking awesome. Ella Langley and Wyatt McCubbin, two longtime members of the Razor Outdy family. It's so cool to see Ella doing what she's doing, especially because she's like my little yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker A: You know, the main thing for us know, finding these folks that are genuine and real people, I think that's where it really starts. And Ella is the most genuine, good person that you can ever find on the planet. So working with her was absolutely a layup of an idea. And then Wyatt, we met him. I met him back in beginning of 2021, I guess. And we just hit it off real well, became good budies. So it only made sense. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Hell yeah, dude. Well, Peyton, you kind of want to show what you do on the music business podcast and behind the Music Biz and ask Mr. Jim about his. [00:02:54] Speaker C: Mean. Just I kind of curious how you got started from your background of your childhood and what kind of got you interested in music. [00:03:03] Speaker A: All right, well, so I grew up on Long Island, New York. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Shout out. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And I was going to school for art education. That was the thing that I was really passionate about. Some things kind of changed on how that was going to work out in college and decided to take a step back. I got into a really weird car accident and I was pretty much bedridden for a little while. And this is probably just like 2000 into 2001 and internet was kind of like a new thing, which is kind of weird to think about like that's 23 years ago. [00:03:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. I'm old as shit. Can I say shit? [00:03:42] Speaker B: Fuck, shit, fuck, cock, balls, whatever you want. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Good. So long story short on that, I mean, I just started working with little bands out of Long Island and I played back in the late ninety s and really terrible hardcore bands and rock bands. We were awful. Like the worst. And I was like, well, there's got to be a better way of staying in this industry than playing in these crappy bars. And just didn't work out for at least my path, it wasn't going to be that way. So I ended up getting into that car accident and I answered some little website ad on Vagrant Records, which to me was like the Holy Grail record label back then growing up in the punk scene, to me that was like the Holy Grail. And I remember I get this phone call from an La number. I was like, oh, this is like a prank, whatever. And it's this guy Wayne, Wayne Pagani. Wayne calls and he's like, hey man, my name is Wayne Pagani. I'm from La. And I work for Vagrant Records. I was like, fuck you. And I hung up on him. I thought for sure that was like BS. Like, there's no way like some record label dude from the Holy Grail is going to call me up. And he called me right back. He's like, nobody ever hung up on me. I was like, all right. And he's like, this is for real. If we want to do this thing, what we're going to do is we're starting a street team team. And I know that you've been working around with some other artists that are out there and we would like to try and expand this thing and it's a little bit more than just a street team. I was like, all right, well, what does that look like? He's like, well, you're basically would be the New York rep for Vagrant Records. I was like, okay, so we're servicing sales and POS. And remember I don't know if you guys remember this, but Best Buy used to have ads like circulars every week be like 999, like Alkaline Trio new record. So I had to make sure that the locals were taking care of that. Local record label, record shops, like all that stuff. That was me. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. [00:05:38] Speaker A: So I worked with this prior to that, I was working a little bit with this newer artist that got signed to Warner called Glassjaw. And they asked me to do some street team stuff. And that was like the ignition for like, once I knew that I liked that stuff, that's when I tried to apply for this vagrant thing. Got that. And it expanded from Long Island to New York into Manhattan. And then I started servicing upstate New York a little bit. Like, probably where you're from? [00:06:04] Speaker B: Rockland county. Palisades Mall. We had a best buy. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, Palisades, like, I've been up there all the way up to Albany was basically that was my footprint. And then I got to meet some folks in Northern Jersey, and then we all meshed. And this is about the time when all these hardcore and what people call emo bands were picking up, I don't know, like Alkaline Trio, Get Up kids and I don't know, under Oath. Like those bands were all coming under. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Oath was huge in the Northeast, bro. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing is that was the culture that we fell into. And I was there until about 2006, and I moved out of New York to San Diego and just kind of started new after 911, all that stuff. It was really a weird time in New York for me, at least. And we had some family stuff going on. With my mom being sick, I was like, well, I'm going to take some time to kind of rebrand myself and what I'm trying to do and just kind of expand it from there. [00:07:00] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, San Diego. Hell of a place to live. That's the only place in California that I've been is San Diego. And it lives up to the Hype, dude. Especially back then. [00:07:09] Speaker A: Dude, that place rips. [00:07:10] Speaker C: I heard it's the best place in California. If you're going to go anywhere in California, it's San Diego. [00:07:14] Speaker B: Go to La Jolla Beach, go to the Gaslight district. It's just the best street tacos you'll ever have. [00:07:19] Speaker A: I'm telling you, man. So I lived in North Park, which is like, I guess what you would call, like, the east Nashville of San Diego. So I had like, my local bar go to all time called Livewire, and that was on El Cajun Boulevard. Get hammered there and then walk two blocks over to this place, little Mexican spot called Kalimas and just crush bean burritos all the time. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:40] Speaker A: I miss it so much. So damn expensive. Brutal, dude. No, it's awesome. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Street team stuff's. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Cool. [00:07:46] Speaker B: It's cool to hear you had that background, because I was a street teamer, but for a radio station. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Damn. [00:07:50] Speaker B: And it was at the end of before radio really started downsizing. So I was the Joe Schmo at the local Five K in central Jersey, which by the way, central New Jersey does exist. North and South Jersey denied existence, but it does exist. And I would set up and be under the tent and telling people. So was it like that for music where you're the man on the street and you're just letting people know about music that they're paying you to tell them about, kind of thing or what? [00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it is like as simple as just going to other shows and just papering everybody on the line. So it'd be like, here's flyers for shows that are coming up here's, new records that be dropped, like some Easter eggs and stickers and all kinds of stuff like that. Because back then marketing was a lot different too. Guerrilla marketing was crazy, like on the streets. So we were doing stuff in Asbury Park. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:08:39] Speaker A: So there was this festival called Skate and Surf and it turned into Bamboozle. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, bamboozle. [00:08:44] Speaker A: You remember that? [00:08:45] Speaker B: Fantastic. Yes, great festival. [00:08:47] Speaker A: It was awesome. So we had a lot of bands out there and we were doing all kinds of crazy stuff. I got crazy stories about that stuff. We would have street teams set up. I don't know if I should, whatever, it doesn't matter. So we would have these big posters that were like 20ft tall and we would send them all the way up the telephone poles. So you look for like a mile down the broadwalk and it was just like Alkaline trio coming out soon and then go into all the hotels there and put like door hangers that we created. So it was like really weird marketing stuff. So I learned a lot of outside the box stuff from them. And in that transition from going from New York to San Diego, I was on warp tour for a couple years doing some stuff with Vagrant. I met a bunch of bands on there and there was this band out of St. Louis that I met. Where were we? I think we were like Virginia Beach. And there was a hurricane coming, which is like the normal warp tour thing. And we had like freaking the book. Like you had to look at where the hell you were going. You didn't have GPS back then. You're just like, oh, shit. So these two guys came, britton and I think Charlie and this guy Adam, which is now DJ Adam. Adam. [00:09:52] Speaker B: Oh, Adam. Oh, I know Adam. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he was in a punk band back then. [00:09:56] Speaker B: I mean, you look at him, it makes sense. He looks like a guy that was in the punks. [00:10:00] Speaker A: He's that guy. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:01] Speaker A: So they're like, hey man, are you going to the warp tour? I'm like, yeah, we're driving over there right now. They're like, oh, we're lost. We can't figure out where to go. So we ended up going there. I'll tell you this because it leads to something. So we get to Virginia Beach, hurricane cleared out, do the show. And I became really close with those guys. And I ended up like pseudo Tour, managing them and doing their merch. And some of that guerrilla marketing stuff went from there to trying to do stuff online like we were doing with Vagrant, but on a bigger scale. So we were following good charlote. Green Day. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Wow. [00:10:33] Speaker A: So, you know, I don't think that was completely legal to do that stuff. But it was also kind of funny because we were walking around with headphones and CD players like, hey, listen to this song. I know that you're going to love it. So we did the good charlote thing and we ended up on Green Day. It was funny because a friend of ours, this guy Tom, God bless him, I think he's passed by now. But we were out, know, selling CDs and we would start trying to sell. And we got in trouble for it. And Trey Cool comes out with his security guard on a golf cart. I was like, oh god. And then Tom comes out. He's like, what are you guys doing? He's like, oh my god, it's you guys. I'm like, Tom, what's up, man? Because we knew him from warp tour. He was like the merch guy for that. So anyway, long story short, he's like, all right, what are you guys doing? We're doing this. And he's like, well, you can't do that. I'm like, well, I could tell you where all the bootleg is happening. He's like, what do you mean bootleggers? I said, did bootleggers on this street. This street over there and over where? The bridge? And he's like, you fucking stay right here. I was like, okay. He goes comes back. He's like, all right, you guys can hang and stay. They go back into the arena, the stadium. And we ended up staying on that full entire tour, like the whole summer. And I ended up in San Diego. And that's how I moved there, was through tour because I didn't have money back then to pay to move. [00:11:51] Speaker B: Yeah, see, I remember watching the Warp Tour stuff. Like they had the TV show on Fuse the Roadies that were on the Warp Tour. And then I spent a lot of time in my touring days in a bandwagon. And I know bandwagon was a huge proponent. That was kind of how they got their start was along things like Warp Tour mayhem, fest, things like in that era of stuff. So touring in those days, especially like a big tour like that in the rock scene where it's not like country. Country has it very easy compared to what rock can be at times, especially like back then, you're really oh, back. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Then it was crazy. [00:12:27] Speaker B: It's a fucking grind, dude. It's nuts. It still is. But back then was like, the heyday of it. [00:12:33] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's crazy then because I'm old as shit. So I remember having to do cell phones barely worked. [00:12:40] Speaker B: We had, like, Sidekicks flip it up text. [00:12:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So we just had to try and figure out how to get from place to place with damn books and then a little bit of GPS, I guess. But I remember. Oh, God, that's true. So there would be parts of driving from, say, I don't know, like, little rock to wherever, like Memphis. And you're like, sorry, mom, I can't talk to you right now. Cell phone's going to go out and just like, dead spot. And you're like, nowadays that's not a thing. [00:13:05] Speaker B: And no GPS. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Exactly right. It's like, god, it's crazy. But yeah, that's the story with that. And the Green Day thing was crazy. So anyway, from Green Day, I met this person. Her name was Alicia, and she was working for a company called Tribal Brands. And I don't think that there exists anymore. I think they came up with a technology that has, like shazam. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:29] Speaker A: So back then, like VCAST, one of my clients that ended up becoming after meeting Alicia was Verizon. So they would have this tour bus out there, and they would show all these kids, know what cool things you can download on your phones back then. And just being the weird New York dude out there, I'm like, hey, it'd be cool is if we get Adam Adam out there and play a couple acoustic songs for losers luck in front of all these patrons that might do well for you all. And they're like, all right, we'll do that. So we did that. Then. That was like another big leap into my career because my friend Brittan Campbell, which now he works for G Seven Marketing, which is like, great marketing company out here in Nashville. So yeah, we started doing that stuff. And I ended up getting a phone call after that year of Warp tour and that Green Day tour. And they're like, hey, we want you to work with this new artist and market them. I'm like, okay, who is it? And I was walking in and around in a Blockbuster at the time with my ex, and I was like, Jonas Brothers? Who's that? And they're like, yeah. And they're like, it is a new band. I was like, yeah, they're a new band. That's cool. And the girl was like my girlfriend was like, what'd you say? I said, I don't know. They're asking me to go on tour with these new guys, Jonas Brothers. And she's like, yeah, that's them right there. And it was on the freaking TV everywhere on this Blockbuster they were at. I was like, yeah, I'll do that. How much does it pay? Because back then I was getting paid like stupid nothing. Like $5 a day. Yeah, like you were talking about bandwagon stuff. Man, I wish to god, we were on that stuff. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Oh, you guys weren't van or SUV or sedan? [00:15:06] Speaker A: Bro my first year touring, I was in a Jeep Wrangler drop top with no trailer, just dying for ten weeks on what sucked. And then I did, like, the van thing, just living on top of the transmission that would just feel like a thousand degrees and your computer would melt. Sucked. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Jeez. [00:15:22] Speaker A: So anyway, I'd go out on this Jonas thing, and when we started with them, ironically enough, brittan Campbell from Losers Luck and Adam's Drummer, he and I got together and jumped on that thing with a couple of other guys, and we were doing, like, verizon in stores with them, and they couldn't even sell, like, 500 tickets back then. And they're like, all right, well, this went well, so now we're going to do six weeks. I think it was like, six week contract in these little clubs. I'm like, sick. So we do one show and they're like, yes, we'rerouting everything, and it's now theaters. I'm like, okay, cool. And it's like, now it's an additional eight weeks on top of that. I'm like, sick. So everything kept changing. And that first year for Jonas, everything was just skyrocketing. And we ended up going from little tiny in stores to doing arenas in, like, one year. It was wild. [00:16:10] Speaker B: It's unheard of. [00:16:11] Speaker A: It's crazy. So, yeah, we were out there for about three years, and we were using that, like, shazam technology back then in which it wasn't called that, and just showing all these fans, like, how to do that. And what was cool about that technology back then, I think it still kind of works the same way. Sound scan was so important. And for anybody that doesn't know what sound scan is, basically, it's an industry way of trying to figure out how many records he sold or singles. So we found this weird little loophole that was legit, where if someone downloaded a ringtone back then, boom, got them. That counted as a sound scan. So we would just be out there in front of, like, two, three, 4000 kids every day, just playing these songs, and everybody would just download the songs for free, and they would just cultivate this huge marketing thing. I'm like, dude, this is exactly what I want to be doing. Because the whole reason why I got into the industry was to try and figure out ways to build revenue creatively, to get these artists and bands enough money to have a production, like a big show that their fans deserve. And I think that there's something to be said about that type of energy. If you have, like, a big show and you're throwing out all this energy and the crowd feels it and they send it back, that's pretty cool experience. So, to me, that was what always drove me to trying to help. And I went from working for marketing companies into working for labels and then artists. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Yeah. So how long were you with Jonas Brothers? Because that's a generational gig right there. And you were right at the inception of it. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So my thing with Jonas is that I was working for Tribal on that marketing tour bus. I got a funny story about that too. And it was a wrap with their faces on it, like all that. And we were there. I think I jumped off after three years. I think Britain stayed there for an extra year. I think he was down there on that fourth year in 2009. But funny story about the Het tour bus. I was going to try and out one of our buddies real quick. Anyway, so it was funny about this. The tour bus was wrapped with their faces and we were in Redding, Pennsylvania. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Oh, God bless. God bless Redding. Is that the arena out there? [00:18:19] Speaker A: No, worse. It was a hooters that we parked at because we didn't have money to spend money on. Hotels sometimes, so we're just like we'll just kick it on the bus. Why not? It's cool. So I wake up one morning, kick the door open. I look outside the outdoor and I see this girl write her phone number on there. I'm like, oh, fuck, this is going to be something. This is going to turn into something. This is like the first week of us having a tour bus. Like the big tour. I can't remember what the name of that tour is. Offhand. I guess we'll fix that in post. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker A: So I call up my folks over at Tribal. I was like, hey, I think we got like a thing that we got to try and figure out here. I was like, this girl just wrote her phone number on here. I think it's going to turn into something. So either we erase it or we let it rip. So my group that we were with, we all kind of talked about it and we just figured out, well, we could either erase it and try to fight against the current, or we could try to keep it and see what happens. And dude, we played Hershey, Pennsylvania. Like that old stadium that's out there that's like from 1845 whenever it was open. And dude, it was covered that night. I mean, it was like 2000 autographs. Like just blasted like numbers and all kinds of stuff. Now fast forward two weeks. I'm like, we got a problem. Like there's spray paint showing up. Sons of bitches coming out with knives, like carving their freaking numbers and shitting on there. Like my bus driver, dude, that poor dude, what was his name? We called him Parkway. So parkway. [00:19:48] Speaker B: I love bus drivers. They're my favorite. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Well, Parkway got his name because he drove on like, the Long Island Expressway, took the wrong turn to Jones Beach, and ripped off every single air conditioner unit off the top of the bus on that parkway leading there. Anybody watching this that knows Jones Beach, shout out to your air conditioners. That might fall off if you take the wrong turn. [00:20:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:09] Speaker A: So anyway, Parkway was like, these sons. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Of bitches to keep spray painting their. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Names on the freaking windshield. I'm like, oh, dude, that's kind of the game, I guess. And he's just scraping the shit off every show with a razor blade before we leave. Anyway, we ended up in People magazine, Teen Beat, whatever those tiger things are. And it's funny now, looking back. I'm working with folks that are from that generation. They were huge fans then. And I won't out you right now, girl. But it was like, a friend of mine, she goes, wait a minute. That was your bus? I said yeah. She's oh, fuck. I wrote on that bus. I wrote on it. I wrote my name. I put my number on it. And I said, I bet you did. She's like, I am so embarrassed. And she's like, there's no way that it was. And I picked up my Facebook, and I was like, is this a picture that looks familiar? It was like three girls, like, doing some kind of cheerleader thing and just spray painting their freaking name on the tour bus. Anyway, that first tour, $15,000 worth of damage. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Wow. [00:21:10] Speaker A: Awesome. So of course, my folks up top, they're like, dude, that's crazy. That's $15,000 of damage. I don't know how we can justify that. I was like, well, we did end up in all these really cool magazines. That's pretty rad. They come back and they're like, yeah, it was worth millions of dollars worth of price. Like, cool. So the following year, we did it again and destroyed that bus. God help that bus. I mean, the acetone in spray paint alone. You want to screw somebody up, just spray that on somebody's tires. And it just eats the tires away. Like, that's how dangerous the shit was. It's crazy. [00:21:45] Speaker B: Where'd you go after Jonas Brothers. That Jonas Brothers stuff. That's crazy. I don't know where you go after that. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Hard to come off of. [00:21:52] Speaker A: Gosh, I don't know. Where did I go? Jonas, I think. Oh, I remember now. Yeah. So I spent some time in San Diego, some time off from the road, just trying to just recoup, meet new folks or whatever. And then where did I end up? Where did I go? Jonas brothers? And then oh, that's what it was. So I get a phone call from Brittany Campbell again. This dude, he's going to be all over this podcast. Sorry, bro. [00:22:17] Speaker B: We love you, Brittany. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Yeah, we do love him. He's a great guy. He calls me up. He's always like, I can do anything I want. Which is him. He's driven. And he's like, hey, man, I just got this new job. I was like, yeah, sick. What is it? He's like, I'm working with Keith Urban. I'm like, okay, sick. He's like, you want to jump on there? I'm like, yeah, that's cool. So we go out and do this two week tour called no Frills. And Stephen Fraley was like our tour manager on that, and it was cool. Dude. Took Keith Urban 2009 when he was like, selling out arenas. We put him in places like Joe's on Weed and Small, but some of. [00:22:57] Speaker B: The best clubs that you can go to, we love shout out to Ed Worm. Joe's on Weed, one of the best. We love Chicago, bro. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Dude ed's a beast. I love him. [00:23:05] Speaker B: He's a saint. We love him. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Angel. Angel, man. So, yeah, we did stuff like that, which was so rad know real fans of Keith got to see him in such an intimate setting that they haven't seen in so long, and that was also sponsored by Verizon and Samsung and BlackBerry and I mean, we would have lines. I can't remember exactly how you were able to get into it, but I think you had to go to a Verizon store, sign up for it, do all that stuff, and then you got free tickets to it. And then after that there was like another 2000, 3000 people just camped out outside hoping to get inside this thing. So we did that for two weeks. I came back home and there were some folks that we had to let go for doing some stuff that they shouldn't have been doing with Verizon logos outside of a house of blues with Keith Urban's face on the tour bus. They went and did some other stuff and ended up hiring some other folks. And we went out and did, I think, like ten months, like on a full arena tour. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Wow. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah, this is the same thing as we were doing with Jonas Brothers, but it was in the country scene. So I was like, oh, that was like my first step into country music. And I was like, all right, that's pretty cool. Get back to San Diego, take some time off a little bit again. And then Brittan calls me again. He's like, hey man, I've got another artist for us to work for. And I was like, really? He's like, well, actually, I'm doing it. I said, okay, thanks. And he's like, yeah, I'm working with Cracker Barrel. I'm like, hell yeah, that's cool. That's good eating right there. And he's like, yeah, man, I'm recreating the Cracker Barrel front porch. I'm like, what do you mean by that? He goes, yeah, I'm literally taking four by fours and rebuilding the porch every single show. Like, that's crazy. How many people do you have it on the road? Because back on Jonas and Keith Urban and Green Day and all those guys, I think we had twelve people on that tour bus and was like our own thing. He was just attached to this tour by himself and had locals help him. I was like, dude, you're going to call me. Back in, like, ten days, and you're going to be like, Yo, dude, I can't do this by myself. He's like, no, I got it. I'm like, okay. So he calls me back. He's like, all right, you're right. I need you. I was like, all right, well, who's the artist? He goes, Brad Paisley. Damn. I'm like, now you know where this is going to go. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck that is. Who is that? He's like, he's a country artist. I'm like, okay, pay good. He goes, yeah. I was like, when do you need me to start? He goes, Four days from now. I'm like, sick. I'll be there. He goes, do you have a passport? I said no. He goes, oh, shit. It starts in Toronto. Yeah, that's cool. I don't think I'm going to be able to do it. And he's like, Dude, you're in San Diego. You might be able to get a passport right away. So I drive down to the passport office through my validation ticket. It told me that I was there for an hour and 37 minutes with the freaking book in hand. And the following day, I flew out Toronto and kicked off Brad Paisley. It's crazy. I don't know how you can even do that. Could you do that now? [00:25:57] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:25:58] Speaker C: I just got my passport. It took like eight weeks or something like that. It's crazy. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Jesus, dude. But that's the sign. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Everything's real though, dude. [00:26:05] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, everything happens for a reason. Literally. It's the journey. Everything happens for a reason. And Brad Paisley at that time. So those years, that's like, what, like 2010, 2011 we're looking at. [00:26:15] Speaker A: So let's see, keith was nine. Brad was either twelve into 13. It was the beat. The summer tour. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I went to shows at that I saw that show in Homedell, New Jersey, at PNC Bank Art Center, I think. Down at the old Sesquana Bank Center. It's been called the Tweeter Center. A bunch of different stuff in Camden, New Jersey. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Oh. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Camden. [00:26:36] Speaker B: That was my senior year of college. That was when Last Time for Everything and all those songs were out. And I remember that being that tour was that was like the production on that tour, when he would have the kid come up and do like it was like Mario Kart or something, right? [00:26:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, he was doing some of that stuff, and then it led into, I think, Beat the Summer. And they brought out DJ Silver. [00:26:56] Speaker B: Yep. That was one of his first gigs, dude. [00:26:58] Speaker A: And I love silver. Dude, like, you want to talk about, like, a homie out there that really cares about people that are out here in Nashville? [00:27:04] Speaker B: Such a good yes. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah, he's great. So they would do this thing where Brad would do some type of little guitar lick, and then DJ would try and match it. It was like a little battle thing. It was kind of cool. I was like, wow, this production is kind of wild, man. This reminds me of stuff that we were doing in the rock world. And I got really into so I was with Brad for, I don't know, about two years. So I did the Cracker Barrel thing. Then we came back for craft. So as you can see, my career went from working for bands to record label and then into entertainment marketing. And I found pretty good passion in that. And Brad's dad, Doug, he ended up calling me to have me come out and be his production assistant for Brad, because Brad's camp, they're really good people, and they want to make sure that their people are taken care of. And once they find someone that they like, they want to make sure that they have them in that circle. So Doug hit me up and asked me to be the PA. And Doug, he's a good guy. He and I always cut it up. And I was like, I ain't working for you just to mess with him. He's like, Come on, Jimmy. You got to work with me. And I was like, all right, we'll do it. So I got there and I met a lot of folks through that that experience and a lot of bands, like, I think Lindsay, L, Chase Bryant, they were on that tour. And eventually, I think Dustin Lynch was on the following year. So a lot of good acts. I mean, Kane Brown was an opener on Brad. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember all those shows. I remember seeing all those guys and Lindsay open up those shows. I remember Lindsay would do the meet and greet at the merch table at the sheds after her performance in between sets. That's when I started getting into country music. So it's really cool to hear you were on the other side. The other side of that? That's fucking awesome. [00:28:55] Speaker A: It's wild, man. And to talk about Brad, he is just such a good steward of trying to help all these newer young artists, treats them well, pays them well. I mean, what a great platform to be on from that time period. And I was with Brad until probably 2019, and there was this guy that I kept hearing rumors about. His name is Riley Green. And I was like, oh, Riley Green. And he's like, dude from Alabama, what's his story about? And they're like, oh, he's just starting out. And I think, like, that march of 2019, I get a phone call. And we're told who's on the road with us? And I think it was Riley and maybe Dustin Lynch. No, it was Chris Lane was out on that. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder who Riley's tour manager is. And it ended up was like an interim dude. The JW with Sam hunt. Yep. So I was like, JW, what are you up to? He's like, I'm just filling in right now. And I was like, all, well, you know, I might want to try to be a tour manager at some know, try to go through that road. Because my goal was always to try and figure out ways of learning every aspect of the business. So I had a little bit of management experience prior to that. I was working with a hip hop artist and I worked with him for about two years, helping him get his career off the ground and continuing that thing. So anyway, Riley and I got along real well that summer. And ironically enough, PNC was the day. I was like, hey, man, I'm just putting this out here and raising my hand. I'd like to try to tormag you if that's a thing that you're interested in. He's like, well, I want to talk to you about that too, so let's try and figure it out. And then before I knew it, I was just tormagging him, like in that September. And we were just out there and. [00:30:39] Speaker B: What a great crew to be. And so I've heard a lot of stories about the Riley days through Ben Miller from my time on the road with Trey and just seeing that explosion go from talk about, like, a grassroots guy like Riley Green coming. Up from literally playing at places in Auburn Tuscaloosa, like in Alabama, where I'm very familiar with playing at the Flora Bama, sitting outside the venues in the parking lot and the pickup truck, like playing acoustically and having those pre social media like viral moments almost. And just going from such a regional act to where he's at now. And you got to see all that shit. [00:31:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I felt like it was kind of the story would repeat itself for me. I felt like I was working with a lot of these artists that were just starting off, and then we get to a certain point and it just popped. And I saw that a mile away. With people like Kane, you knew where his career was going to go before it was there yet. And the same thing with Riley. I knew from the moment I watched him, I was like, that dude's going to be a freaking star. It's going to happen. So for me to be part of that, I was really stoked to be part of that. It was cool. I mean, we were in the trenches. Like Ben Miller can tell you all those type of war, you know, we were playing all these smaller clubs, which was kind of crazy because I sort of skipped all that because I did all that stuff in the hardcore scene, but not in country, you know, I'm going, dude, like Texas Club and places like that. [00:32:01] Speaker B: I love Baton Rouge, bro. [00:32:02] Speaker A: Yes, that place rips. It's so funny. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And they got the piccadilly for the catering down. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Hell yeah. So you're getting to do those things and the road to Billy Bob's and stuff like that. [00:32:15] Speaker B: That's barbecue. Billy Bob. Billy Bob's. It's interesting. Billy Bob's. Like, I've been telling Nikki, too, I got to get him down there because Nikki's never been to I know, I know. I've been all through Texas and got to do Billy Bob's with Muscadine bloodline back in the day. And it's interesting because people are sitting at the picnic different. It's a different kind of vibe. But it is such a and you go in the backstage area and then there's all the cattle. It has that stockyard vibe to it. And then the hands on the wall and the girls like lipstick and shit. Like the guys that have put that have sold it out and things like that. It's just a wild place. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Yeah, what he's talking about is like all these what is it, concrete back there? And you can see the hands are just like black from people's hands. Just keep touching. So you're like, all right. [00:32:59] Speaker B: That person was really like co Wetzel has lots of lipstick on his parker McCollum. Lots of lipstick on know, George Strait. Lots of lipstick on his there might. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Be some foundation on there, too. They get really into that. [00:33:10] Speaker B: They really do. That's some Texas stuff, for sure. Dude, what was one of your favorite clubs to go to back in those days? Man? [00:33:18] Speaker A: That is an unfair question to ask. I love all of them equally. I would say I think Billy Bob's is cool because that's like a spot that you need to do that. And Green Hall. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:30] Speaker A: Green hall. Dude, the willy door. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Just hilarious. Just like just a historical spot. [00:33:38] Speaker A: See, I'm a history guy, so I love stuff like that. I'm like, Are you serious? Like, we're going to have to crawl through this little window thing then. [00:33:43] Speaker B: You love the Rave Eagle Club. Talk about history. [00:33:45] Speaker A: That place is cursed. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Ghost tour, bro. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Ghost adventures need to be in there. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Oh, I mean, dude, they take you on the little tour. I remember going in that we went right after all the Mac Miller stuff had happened. [00:33:55] Speaker A: Yeah, the death pool. [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. We went down because I was there in 2019, right before COVID Yeah. [00:33:59] Speaker A: And they still have that thing on there. I took a picture that you want to know something that's really crazy about that? Do you look at it really well? [00:34:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Do you notice where he signed that thing? It's wild. So you know, he's part of, like, the 27 club. Yes. Okay. So I think if I remember correctly, he signed it between the 25th marker and the 30th, right between dan. It gets even crazier, the depth of the water there. It says 6ft. And then three days later I think it was like three days later, then he passed away. So that's like 27 6ft, 6ft under. It gave me chill. I was like, no way. Really? Good friend of mine. And I know that you guys know him. Sam Crabtree is like, Sam's like, yo, bro, look at this. I'm like, oh, my. Like, to me, that's crazy to have that type of foreshadowing. But yeah, the rave. I think there's like three different venues in there. [00:34:54] Speaker B: And then were there other shows going on when you were there? [00:34:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no doubt. [00:34:58] Speaker B: I was going to say, for us, we were in the small bar stage with Muscadine. We had farron Rachel's out with us. And there was like Galantis or like a big EDM band in the ballroom. So we're loading out and you just see these kids dangling out the window, just tripping on all kinds of stuff. You hear? Like Musk, I'm playing porch swing. Angel. And then upstairs you just hear boom, boom, boom. It was crazy, dude. I love that. Love that. [00:35:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that's there was definitely some of that stuff. I don't remember who was up there, though, because with Riley, I think we've played every single stage in there. Wow. The last time I don't think anybody's supposed to know this, I went into the boiler room underneath the pool. [00:35:37] Speaker B: By yourself? [00:35:38] Speaker A: Somebody walked me in there. [00:35:39] Speaker B: I was going to say I brought. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Charlie Diaz, riley's newer guitar player, down there. I was like, hey, man, you want to go downstairs into the boiler room? And this is like we're a couple of drinks in. He's like, fuck yeah, I'll do it. So we're in there and he's like, dude, it's the scariest thing. You can possibly go in there. It's crazy. It's just old weird, creepy clown pictures and shit in there that people leave. And you just feel like a weird heaviness. Especially when you're inside that pool. Like, anyone you guys just look up the pictures of the pool and of course they put the freaking production office, like overlooking the shit. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Yep. Oh, yeah. That is something they do. And then you have all the Jeffrey Dahmer shit across the street. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Ambassador. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Yep. [00:36:21] Speaker A: Like, why why y'all doing that? [00:36:23] Speaker B: That's a great of all the places, milwaukee, Wisconsin. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm trying to think of the other mean. They all they all have their own special place. They're all just so know that's the mean going into, like, Zydeco. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Oh, bro. [00:36:36] Speaker A: And just knowing what went there, that. [00:36:37] Speaker B: Is one of my favorite spots. Because, like you, I'm very connected with the Alabama scene. And Zydeco is a spot where Riley has a lot of history. Muscadine has a lot of history. Adam Hood has a lot of know. Wayne Mills, God bless him, a lot of history. Jamie Johnson, like everybody that's come out of that state, just so much history. And just there's something about a room with low ceilings. Like the dusty armadillo in Rootstown. [00:37:02] Speaker A: Dude, that place. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, there's something about the low ceilings. And especially you being a rock guy, you got to appreciate that those are rock clubs that do country music. [00:37:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, it's funny about that. You just reminded me. Do you remember Crazy Bowl? [00:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah, dude. Loved Rick Hill. Yeah, he passed away, I think, within the last year. Or was the that was one of the first weekend I ever spent on tour with Muscanine Bloodline, huntsville, Alabama, and Macon, Georgia. We did I met that was the third time I met Bradley Jordan. And Thomas trainer was at Sidetracks in Huntsville, Alabama. [00:37:37] Speaker A: Hell yeah. [00:37:38] Speaker B: I was just filling and selling merch. Then I got the gig the next week. But I remember going down to Macon and it's yeah, crazy bowl. Just with that. Who's the production guy in there? Is it dibbles? [00:37:47] Speaker A: Oh, God, I couldn't remember. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. See, I remember all the production guys. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Dude. See, the thing is you guys know this about me. Like names. Forget it. Faces. I'll remember the face all day long. So. Bradley Jordan. Yeah. So what's funny about a place like Crazy Bowl? And that's why I'm going to lead the Bradley, is I skipped all of those type of clubs, and I was also in all these arenas and stadiums and stuff for a long time. And you have that infrastructure. And we get back into these things. I'm like, oh, fuck. There's like no security guards anywhere. [00:38:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. No barricade. Oh, yeah. [00:38:22] Speaker A: The blue room statesboro georgia. [00:38:24] Speaker C: God, my favorite place. [00:38:25] Speaker B: God's country. God bless you. William Bridwell Al Chapman. The blue room. [00:38:30] Speaker A: We love you. The Homies. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Yeah, fucking love them. [00:38:32] Speaker C: I spent one year going to Georgia Southern, failed out within that year. 2018 to 2019, my freshman year. [00:38:38] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. [00:38:38] Speaker C: Blue Room was my home, dude. [00:38:40] Speaker A: And the Blue Room is cool, too, man. We were doing an outdoor show. This is probably my first weekend out on Riley. And they had security guards, and they were taking care of us. Obviously, that's a no brainer, but what I blew my mind was that all the staff kept walking through the Green Room. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That green room is not private. Yeah, it's a community area. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Like, hey, this is not cool. We got shit in was. I got a little up about it, and I talked to Bradley and he's like, we'll try and fix it. You know, Bradley, he's like, oh, we'll try and fix it right now. And he's like, dealing with generator shit going out in the outside and trying to help me out with the Green Room thing. So that was a learning curve for me, man. I wanted to really understand that type of the culture of the country music. And I'm really grateful for that, too, because it brought me to places like Crazy Bull, which was just insane. It's like you just stuck a stage in the middle of whatever the shit was in there, and you just kind of crammed yourself on there. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that old drum set that's up there. And like, the big drum, the drum. What is it? The rise things? Well, there's the riser and then the sound thing. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Oh, the fishbowl thing. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Fishbowl. Oh my god. [00:39:51] Speaker A: My production manager at the time, Griffin, he's like, we can't do a show in here. I said, we're going to do it. And everybody else has done it. So he's like, look at the fucking stage, dude. And I looked at him like, wow, this is going to be pretty tough. And hanging out with people like Quinn, like Riley's drummer man, he would be like, hey, man, this is kind of how it is. He's like real chill about everything. And I was like, all right. So he was like my ride or die out there a lot of times. And we're just kind of trade war stories. But yeah, Bradley, Jordan. That's when I met Bradley, which is crazy to think I've been in country music at that point for how many years? Since 2009. I never met him because I wasn't in that circle. And he wasn't in the same circle as me. He was obviously promoting big shows like that. But my gig out on Brad and Keith, I was way outside of that stuff. So getting to meet Bradley, I was like, oh, this is like a dude that cares about what he's doing and cares about these artists. And I was like, well, maybe I can kind of slide under and just have him be like a mentor. And he ended up being just such a good friend to me and helped me through a lot of things that I was trying to figure out with even day to day stuff with Riley stuff and just other things, like other projects I was working on. And that dude's, the he's the man. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah. He's been like a Southern uncle to me. And especially he's been someone that I've gotten to see the scene through from doing a number of shows with a number of Peachtree shows and going to different festivals. And always been a guy that I know I can call. And he's Bradley. And he's somebody that's done it from the owner side of a club with Petrie Tavern and getting guys like Cole Swindell early for a showcase, getting guys, the four wheel drive guys early. John Langston early. Travis Denning, when Jordan Rager and Cole Taylor were really involved in the scene. To Muscadine, obviously Luke, to now the generation even now of the guys and girls that are coming up, the under 25s that are out there. And you're seeing it too, because you're getting to work on some of those projects. Like it's wild stuff, man. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of the fun thing about it, too, is his ANR eye. And he'll never say this stuff or admit it. So I'm going to do it. So his ANR eye is just so sharp, it's crazy. And we were talking at one point, I was, man, like, you should really consider trying to manage at some point, he's like, no, I'm not a manager, and I don't want to move to Nashville and do all that. Like, I need to stay in Georgia for some family stuff. And I was like, dude, I respect that, but you just got to find someone that you could trust up here to just be the guy. He's like, well, why don't you manage? And I said, well, I think about doing that, but I don't know where to even start with who or whatever. But Lane, he introduced me to Ella. Him and Bradley introduced me to her at Zydeco. She did a show there, and that's how we met. And I was like, well, this girl, Ella Langley is somebody that we should probably manage. Like, I want to manage her real bad. He's like, well, she's still kind of new in the career because this is way back. Like, all right, well, I want to keep an eye on it. And anyway, long story short, I convinced him to start helping me co manage her, and that's how we started doing it. He was already trying to help her out just like any other artist that he was doing. Like, dude, you got to start figuring out a way to do this and keep it. Because the thing is, he wanted to grow these artists, and then he would send them to people, which is cool that he was doing that and doing the right thing because he didn't feel like he was set up for it at that point. So now we got something going on. So it's pretty cool. Yeah. [00:43:22] Speaker B: He's got years of experience and knows the market and has seen it for the last decade and a half of artists growing, particularly in the Southeast. And someone like Ella proud hope Hole girl. Spent some time in Auburn, Alabama. And Ella I remember the first time I met Ella was at a kickball game here in Nashville back in the COVID kickball days. [00:43:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I didn't know about that. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That was how I met Trey, Ella, and all them. And they thought of me as the New Yorker that works with Gary and Charlie from Muscadine. So that gave me my street cred with Ella, with Trey, with Mitch Wallace, with that whole crew was I was connected in the Alabama folks, justin Holt, they all gravitated towards me because I was working with an act. Like it's that family dynamic and stuff. So what's it been like now getting from like, you're not on the road anymore, but you still get to go on the road for some of these. Like watching a girl live out her dream and just the rocket ship is just starting to take off, and it's already pretty fucking far up there. Dude, it's crazy. [00:44:25] Speaker A: It's insane. We're SpaceX right now, but again, it's kind of like the repeat and wash thing. It's like, for me, it's just starting off with these artists that are good people that are just starting off and just launching them. And what better person to do that with than Bradley Jordan? I mean, come you know, Ella's got a really big year coming up this year, which is going to be pretty fun watching. Yeah. What did you say. [00:44:52] Speaker B: Then that leads you into now you're kind of your own boss and you're doing this workhorse thing. So what's that all about? And what kind of led you to do that? I love the name, by the way, because you have to be a workhorse to succeed in this industry, dude. [00:45:08] Speaker A: That's all I want to surround myself with, like, Megan. Oh, dude, come on. [00:45:11] Speaker B: She is the like and she's a past guest on this podcast. [00:45:15] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:45:16] Speaker B: I had Megan on when I was doing this in my spare bedroom down the road. And I was just figuring out the podcast stuff. And we had her on for our first industry. We were doing the industry series thing and getting to hear her story and all that she's gone through to get to where she is from starting out as a fan and on the media side in California to now being an integral part of the scene and especially the behind the scenes stuff. And yeah, you talk about a workhorse. [00:45:44] Speaker A: And that is yeah, that's it's crazy. I met her as like she was just I don't want to downplay this, but like, Fort Bradley in this one show, I think it was Ned Kelly's we were playing. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Oh, dude. Fucking Millageville. Georgia fucking millichville. I got stories. We talk about it all. [00:46:01] Speaker A: I do too. Pizza Olympics, dude. Rocky. Shout out to Rocky. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Yes. DJ Rock. [00:46:06] Speaker A: DJ Rock. So Megan, she's a doer, dude. She does everything. So she was a runner on this doubleheader that we were doing at Ned's with Riley. And I'm like, you are not a she's. Like, she's well, you know, I do other stuff. Like she's just trying to downplay it or whatever. And I don't know. We started working with Ella and Bradley's like, yeah, Megan's going to help us out with this. I said this is great because I think that she's got so much talent with everything that she, like, just really brilliant. I can't talk enough about. You know, we brought her on officially as Ella's day to day manager. And she's been crushing, like, her label services brain. That side of her brain. Like, working with Average Joe's is so crazy. [00:46:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker A: But yeah, I hit the 20 year mark on being on the road. It kind of blew my mind that I hit around there. And I always kind of had that in my head anyway, like, get this dude Riley to maybe play stadiums at some point before 2025 or whatever. And here we are on Luke Combs. And we did Dallas. And I was like, okay, we did it. We're at the Cowboy Stadium. This is freaking crazy. I'm already probably about a year and a half in with working with Ella at this point. And long story short, I mean hit that 20 year mark back in June and stepped off and took the plunge straight into management full time. And it's been great. Dude, it's crazy. To your point, I can still go out and do things. A lot of people are like, oh dude, you're a road dog. You can't do that. What do you mean I can't do that? You're going to fucking hate it. Being at home sucks. You have that in you. You need to be out on the road all the time. I said, Well, I can totally do that. And then literally the next week I was out on a three day run in Florida. There you go. I'm on tour again for this weekend. And I think that there's something that I'd say this gingerly because I don't want to make anybody upset or anything, but I think there is something important the fact know, managing an artist, especially someone that is at ella's. Size or even smaller like Wyatt and intimately knowing what that's like to be out know I have this saying I've always had in my head of like you can either break an artist or you can break an. I'd rather, you know, be conscious of how much they're working and have a healthy balance on that thing. And I think it's really easy to accidentally lose sight of that. Especially post COVID. During COVID everyone was like, oh shit, we've got to get after it. COVID we had no jobs and we had to create our own. So with workhorse we purposely try not to call it a management company because we want to do a lot of different things and just be almost like I don't know. I don't want to say like a 360 deal that's Ala carte because I don't want to pin anybody into having to do everything. But during COVID I had this buddy, Matt Molehair. [00:49:07] Speaker B: Oh dude, I love Matt Molehair. That's my pisan. That's another local eight four five boy. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a juicer ale too. [00:49:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Love him. So his dad, him and his dad, I've known them through the Paisley camp for years. So I've probably known Matt since he was like eleven. So anyway, COVID nobody had any work. So I was like, I'm going to create work. And luckily we manifested enough and I got a phone call from Matt's dad and he's like he goes, Jimmy, I got somebody up at West Point University that needs know. I was like, okay, have you ever met his dad? [00:49:42] Speaker B: I have not. I've not had the pleasure yet. [00:49:44] Speaker A: All right, we're gonna have to work on that. So I was like, all right, what do you got? He's like, I need you to put a show up at West Point. And West Point means a lot to me because my grandfather had like. A dream to go there. And he was an Irish New Yorker, and as he was just about to go, because he's Catholic, it checked every mark he had to go to World War II and missed the opportunity. So I was like, Are you serious? I'm going to work with West Point. They're like, yeah. I was like, oh, what's the program? They're like, you're going to have to build Main Street USA on their property. I was like, holy shit. What does that mean? And so I get tied in with Dr. Matthews and a couple of the generals up there, and we ended up working out a deal where took about 15 weeks, and we did a COVID Safe concert on the property. [00:50:29] Speaker B: I remember this dude. [00:50:30] Speaker A: It was a lot of fun to work on that. Together we stand and basically it was mental health. Like, while people were doing a lot of horrible things and going through a lot of terrible things, this was one outlet for them to get away and escape that reality for a little, you know? My idea was just to try and bring money to the home team like budies. And remember in Travis Denning from that first tour that we did with Riley, I was like, all right, so we're going to put Riley on here. We're going to pay him good, get all the boys paid that are out on the road, so get a little paycheck off that, and then we're going to put Travis Denning on there and help his boys. And then we stuck Matt Mulher Jr. On there. And I think he was funny, man. I was like, the first big show that he ever did. I think he felt like he was shitting razor blades out there. So good, man. So it was a 4400 cap room, and we were legally allowed to have 1100 people there. We were dealing with on the phone with Cuomo, dealing with like he's like, what day are you trying to do this show? I'm like, we're doing it on 911. He's like, 911? I said, yeah, 911 in 2020. He's like, well, you can't. It's already done. Like, we got it. And he's like, we're not going to do the lights that day. I said, Why are you not going to put the lights up? And he's like, well, a lot of people will be gathering. I'm like, okay. So I said, well, we'll just put the lights up on West Point. That'll be fine. We'll just do it ourselves and then get, like, a bunch of names. So we were working with a couple of companies down in Georgia that were dealt with, like NASCAR guys, and we were getting this thing together and I don't know, it was like a couple of days later, he made an announcement. He kept the lights up, and then we did the show. So it was crazy, too, because we had to write all the COVID protocols to do a COVID Safe show. So they took that information and sent it to army football, NCAA, and then Alabama won that championship that year. So, Nick Saban, you owe me a ring. I'm not even a fan. I just need that. You won. I helped you with that, whether you know it or that's awesome. So I bring all that up because we were just trying to figure out creative ways of just building revenue and helping people again, helping our artists and our buddies. So there's no idea. It's like, off the table on what we're trying to do in the industry. But marketing an artist and managing an artist, that's like everything for what we're trying to accomplish with that, that's so. [00:52:52] Speaker B: Important for people to have. And you guys all collectively the team that you've built in yourself, you guys have more skills than just management. You guys know so many different facets of the industry to where like you said, I think it is kind of a disservice just to call workhorse a management company, because it's more than that. It's an integral part of the community that's needed it's a big deal, dude. And to have folks like Ella and Wyatt McCubbin, which talk about Wyatt for a little bit, because Wyatt has been Nikki T brags about his first time seeing Wyatt. I know he talked to you about this. First time he saw Wyatt McCubbin was at country concert years ago. And it was on the camper stage. And it was Wyatt McCubbin and Florida Georgia Line. And they each played two sets in Fort Laurie, Ohio, at country concert. [00:53:43] Speaker A: What a place. [00:53:44] Speaker B: Decade ago. Like one of Nikki I think it was actually it was Nikki's first time going out there. So it was like 1213 years ago. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Dude, I might have been there for that. I wonder if Brad was there because I would have been with Paisley. That was the first time I ever met Charlie Daniels was there. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:58] Speaker A: That dude was awesome. [00:53:59] Speaker B: Yes, he was. Yeah. I got to meet him at Rock Ribs and Ridges in Sussex County, New Jersey. [00:54:04] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:54:04] Speaker B: Weird Southern rock rib festival that I used to go to. And I was the youngest guy by about 30, 40 years. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah, you were, dude. I love how his guitar tech used to just be on stage with him. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:54:15] Speaker A: Working on his guitars. He's on the stage. He's like part of the shit. Crazy, man. Then those are like, parts of country music. I'm like, that's cool shit. And that reminds me of the old punk days of, like, we're just doing this thing and putting good music out there and having a good time, and it doesn't matter about the rules. [00:54:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's so many that rock mentality is in country music. [00:54:35] Speaker A: It is hardy. [00:54:37] Speaker B: Oh, dude. I mean, you talk about it. I joke around with people like the people that built Butt Rock are the people that built bro country, and they're in the country game now, too. And you see it with artists and even see it like, I remember Ella sang at the release of the EP show. She said, me and my friends got together and we decided to write a butt rock song. And me and Nikki T and I looked at each other, we're like, fuck yeah. Butt rock's working. [00:55:01] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, that's funny. Yeah, because that's why we bro. And it's funny when you go back and you listen to that opening riff of that song, you're going to oh, yeah, that's pretty badass. Because Ben Flanders, that dude's, just monster. Monster player. [00:55:18] Speaker B: You surround yourself with good guitar playing Ben's. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Why are they all named Ben? That's crazy. Yeah, just different flavors of it. But yeah, I mean, Ben's in that scene he plays with. So, you know, we got a little bit of that type of flavor in our music, too. And that's man like that metal side with like her mom is very much into metal and Fleetwood Mac and stuff like that. And her dad is very country. And she's like, all right, I'm mom and dad, and put that thing together. It's really cool to see that that kind of bridge. Yeah. With Wyatt, he's just good old country boy out of Ohio. I met him probably the beginning of 2021, and we were out on the road with Riley. And Riley would have him come out and be an opener every once in a while. And him and Eric Dylan, which is another like, oh, dude, monster. [00:56:13] Speaker B: We love Dylan. We love Eric Dylan. [00:56:15] Speaker A: How can he not? That dude rules, too. [00:56:17] Speaker B: One of a kind dude. [00:56:18] Speaker A: If it wasn't for Eric, I probably wouldn't have the conversations I would have with Wyatt because he was just such a champion. Him and Singleton were big champions of, you know, my approach. I don't like to poach people. I don't like to be aggressive. I like to just raise the hand and help out. If there's anything that people need help with, I'd like, dude, I'm down to do that. So with Wyatt getting to meet him, I'm like, he and I hit it off right away. Like, we're just buddies. And he's done some stuff in his career that we just kind of worked through. And at one point, he hit me up, and he's like, I think it's time I said, what's the time? He goes, I think we should try to do this thing. I'm just really worried about getting signed to something. I'm like, okay, well, here's the thing. You don't have to sign anything. I don't care about contracts. It doesn't matter. If you like, working me, cool. If you don't, that's cool. And the same thing goes the other way, too. If you're not doing your job, then what are we doing really? Right? And he's like, dude, I'm ready to get after this and I wonder if there's, like, a world where I could do, like, a trial period of something. I was like, well, let's just work on a project together and get that off the ground. So anyway, I said, what are some of the things you're trying to accomplish? He's like, I need guitar strings. I've just finished up with Cameron Marlowe, and I just don't want to be spending, like, $30 on guitar strings every once in a while. I was like, okay, boop, boop, boop, little email, boom. Now he's got a string deal that's getting worked out now, which is great. What's another thing you're trying to do? He's like, oh, I'd really like to try to meet some of these folks over at the Opry. I'm like, yeah. Okay, cool. So I met Jordan Pettit, and I hung out with him a bunch of times. I was talking to him about Wyatt, and next thing you know, they're in a meeting with Opry Dan, hanging out, having beers. Yeah, I didn't feel like I needed to be at that meeting because what do I need to be there for? White's the guy. So they hit it off. They did well, and he got to meet the Opry folks, and he's like, man, we just need to keep this ball going. I was like, all right, well, what do you have music wise? He goes, dude, I've written 500 and blah blah amount of songs. I'm like, I bet you did. Like, you're crazy. He's got cuts, like, for anybody that doesn't know why. I mean, he's got cuts on Riley's new record, I think he's like, what is that, Copenhagen in the Cadillac? He's got that one, which is a great song with Jelly Roll. He's got hell of a way. Put him on mine. There's like a fourth one I can't remember right now, but he's got a lot of that stuff going on. I think he's working a lot of different artists. He's got a really sharp mind with that, and I don't know, it just makes a lot of sense for us to work with him. He just wants to get after he's a genuine dude. He plays real country music, and he's got a great outlook on what his career looks like. And plus, he's still young enough to be able to go and crush this thing. [00:58:59] Speaker B: That's the thing. He's been in the game for a while, but he's still so young, and he hasn't even scratched the surface of where he's going to be. [00:59:06] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, immortal or something. It's crazy. He told me one day, he's like, yeah, I've been doing this for, like, ten something years. I'm like, so you started when you were, like, seven? Like, what the hell? And he's like, no, 1480. But that's funny stuff. But yeah, he's been around for a long time. He's been in the industry. I mean, he's got a lot of people that want to champion him just like Ella. I mean, how can you not want to champion people like those guys? They're just yeah, we're just we're just starting to get the ball rolling with Know. I want to make sure that whatever we're doing with workhorse that we don't overexpand too quick. Because I think the other thing, too, is backing to the mental health aspect of life. I also don't want to wear anybody of my team out. Like, bandwidth, I think, is a really important thing. So I don't want to bring too many artists on. And then our team is like, well, we can't handle the workload. Like, I'm working 24 hours a day, seven days a week. That's not good. Wyatt's got an EP coming out this weekend, Friday, and then it'll lead into like, a full length at Q, one of next year Hell yeah. Tape Room and Egg Room have been helping them out with that pretty much. It's an interesting dynamic with that, too. You go from with Ella signed to Columbia, and then it's just a totally different it's almost like punk rock. They just know rules. So that's what we're doing with Wyatt. [01:00:30] Speaker B: That's awesome. Anything you want to ask, Mr. Peyton? [01:00:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I was just curious, going all the way back to your tour managing days and whatnot, like, the transition from tour managing and production assistant to artist management, what did you take from tour management and your previous experiences? That just jumping right into artist management because it takes a certain person to be able to manage an artist. What experiences did you bring in? What were the main points that you learned throughout your time on the road to come and settle down? Just doing artist management? [01:01:04] Speaker A: I think a really easy answer for that, for anybody that's trying to come up through it is like being a PA and even a tour. You're one way or another, you're some type of an extension of what management is trying to accomplish. And you're just facilitating and pulling the trigger on everything that they need and that touches everything. With Brad as his manager or whatever, it ended up like the title didn't really matter, just how it worked. Like, I was in the room dealing with all the radio people every day like PMS and MDS. So learning that type of record label stuff and just putting that in my mind and then how to logistically get a PJ to fly you from Stagecoach to Pittsburgh in an overnight to go do a stadium show, putting all those type of pieces together with production managers that are really sharp, you just try to learn all those things. And as long as you keep trying to learn, then that's all the tools that you need to be a manager. And, I mean, there's a lot of other things like relationship stuff that you need to have and people that you meet and just being open minded to talking to folks and asking questions I think that was really I guess the linchpin for that, for me, is just to keep, I think, you know, Brad and into Riley. I think that's like a five year turn plus all the other years of me doing it in different aspects. So hopefully that answered that, right? I don't know. [01:02:31] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely you did. So what do you like to do when you're not doing music related stuff? I know you are a big hockey fan. [01:02:37] Speaker A: Huge hockey. [01:02:38] Speaker B: You're a pizza connoisseur. [01:02:39] Speaker A: Dude, I played hockey in middle school and college. Rip to that, dude, I tried. [01:02:46] Speaker B: Where'd you go to college? [01:02:47] Speaker A: Liu. Okay, so southampton. [01:02:50] Speaker B: Yep. I looked at CW post and I looked at Hofstra for college. Ended up not going. Those are my only trips to Long Island, were to look at those schools, and I never went out there. [01:02:59] Speaker A: Dude, I forgot about CW post. Holy shit. Yeah, I was torn between going to Penn State, Notre Dame, or just stay local, and I just stayed at Liu. [01:03:10] Speaker B: There's the Irish Catholic coming out. Notre Dame. [01:03:13] Speaker A: It's funny stuff. I used to put that on my resume. It'd be like, college. Went to Notre Dame. I didn't freaking lie. I went there once. Yeah, did a show there. Fucking awesome. [01:03:23] Speaker B: South Bend, baby. [01:03:24] Speaker A: So, yeah, shout out to go. [01:03:28] Speaker B: So you go to a lot of preds games, but you're an avid Rangers fan as well? [01:03:32] Speaker A: I am, yeah. So that's kind of the hard part, man. I grew up as a Rangers fan, man. I was just talking about this the other day. I remember actively becoming a hockey fan. In second grade, I had a teacher, Mr. Kaplan. He's still alive, too. He's kicking it. I was talking to my dad about him over Thanksgiving, but yeah, we had like, in school, we had to separate the class into four different reading groups, and I was on the Rangers and I was like, what the hell is that? I was like, that's sick. So, yeah, I used to go to a lot of Rangers games back in the 90s that you saw raised. [01:04:06] Speaker B: I was born in between the Yankees winning in 96 and the Rangers winning in 94 and the Knicks being in the finals. So I only get to go back and watch and watch highlights. [01:04:17] Speaker A: I was old and dusty, man. [01:04:18] Speaker B: I'm old, dusty, but like, the Messier, brian Leach, the moves. Yes, dude. I mean, just that era of hockey, like, we got to go to the game last night and it was fun. We were up in the nosebleed. But there's something about just being at a hockey game. Yeah, dude, even minor league hockey is fun. I went to Ryder University for college in Central New Jersey, and we had a club hockey team, division Two. Club hockey was it, and it was like slapshot bro. It was so much fun. But even watching those, there's just something about the sport of hockey that's special. And it's another thing, like, you talk about workhorse, like grinding. Hockey is a grind, too. Just like this music thing is. [01:04:59] Speaker A: It totally is, man. 60 minutes of craziness and chaos. People have asked me back at home, they're like, oh, so you go to Predators games a lot? I'm like, yeah, well, I mean, it's cool to be at these games. And they're like, well, what's the crowd like? I'm like, well, when I first started going, I don't think anyone really understood what the sport was, which totally understandable. And now Nashville is just such a hockey town, dude. The way that I describe the crowd, it's like 1990s Madison Square Garden Ranger games that I remember vividly, but with a lot less cursing. [01:05:32] Speaker B: Yes, they are Southerners. Yes, a lot of families. [01:05:36] Speaker C: Very proper. [01:05:37] Speaker B: Yes, a lot of families, dude. And it is very much a hockey town. And it's funny because you would think the football team be bigger. And what's cool is we can root for the Predators and we can root for the Rangers. Not this Saturday, not December 2, not December 2, but we can root for each of them because the beauty of Eastern Conference and Western Conference. [01:05:57] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. There is a little bit of yeah, we're safe for now. You're feeling it's going to change, though. [01:06:02] Speaker B: Really? They're going to redo everything. You think? [01:06:05] Speaker A: Who knows, man? There's a lot of stuff going on. I mean, shit, it's so close to the East Coast. Think about that. And look at where Calgary is. Calgary is in basically Egypt. Imagine them having to travel everywhere. The Saddle Dome is nowhere. They have long trips. That's why they do so bad, because they're just on the plane all the time. [01:06:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And then they're talking about putting a baseball team here. Which I would, but it's like, for. [01:06:27] Speaker A: Me, it's going to happen. [01:06:27] Speaker C: It's overdue. [01:06:29] Speaker B: For me, it has to be a National League team because I still want to root for my Yankees. It's tough because are you a Yankees guy as well? [01:06:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm the weirdo. So I like the Mets and Yankees. I'm weird, dude. I grew up as a Mets fan because my uncle thought it was cool. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Long island kid. It makes sense. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And I was like, this is really rad. In high school when we were just winning all the 80s. Yeah, dude, it was like 96, 98. [01:06:54] Speaker B: Oh, the piazza days. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Hell yeah, dude. I would skip out of Yankees. I would skip out of school and go to the parade. Like when the Rangers won, went to that parade. Imagine being like in 6th grade and you just jump on a freaking train into New York City by yourself and. [01:07:08] Speaker B: You'Re in the canyon of heroes, like. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah, like fuck crazy. Climbing telephone poles. [01:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Twelve years old. [01:07:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And the Yankees had a bunch of parades back then. Yeah, dude, it was like a yearly tradition. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it was all right. What's funny about that? I remember now. Jeez. That sparked a memory. They literally closed the school down that day that the parade was going to happen because they knew that everybody was just going to jump out in high school. That's a fact. True. Fact check that. [01:07:33] Speaker B: That's awesome. [01:07:34] Speaker A: But, yeah, the Predators, we've nicknamed it as, like, the girlfriend team. I'll always be a Rangers fan. [01:07:41] Speaker B: Forever the Gumar. [01:07:43] Speaker A: There you go. So, yeah, this is going to be funny. December 2, rangers Predators preds are six games in a row winning. [01:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah, they looked good Forsburg like 10 seconds into overtime last night, netting that. And it was cool watching them play the Pens, too, because you have all those old guys on that team the end of that. And if they didn't have the expansion draft, they probably still would have had flurry, too. [01:08:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah, that's a lot of crazy stuff. Anytime I go to a Pens game, this is something that I know that Nikki T. Is going to hate. I'm sorry. So we have seatmates now we just become buddies with people. [01:08:18] Speaker B: You sitting around the beauty of the season ticket package. Yeah. You know your neighbors. It's a neighborhood, dude. [01:08:23] Speaker A: They're awesome. So, like, last night, we had six tickets. I only have two. You know, we just went out there. But I'll give everybody these sheets of paper that have scores on them. So every time that Crosby falls down or gets hit and just dives, we put the diving scoreboards up. Every time. Sorry, Nick. [01:08:39] Speaker B: It's true. Malkin was diving last night. Old brushes. What I love about him is that he still acts like he doesn't know English. He still does the Sammy Sosa speaky English. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Bullshit. [01:08:49] Speaker B: He's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know. Just so he can skip out on pressers. He's been doing that for 20 years. [01:08:53] Speaker A: I guess that's kind of smart, though, so you don't have to keep talking to folks about things. I mean, what are you going to talk about next? Like, yeah, we dove again. Yeah, of course you did. Of course you did. [01:09:02] Speaker B: The Pittsburgh Diving Team. [01:09:03] Speaker A: Oh, dude, that's what I'm saying. They're like Olympically trained. It's crazy. Yeah. I used to have this conspiracy theory about Kansas City, about being like, the place where they would put the penguins eventually. And it's funny because when they opened up that arena, I can't remember what it is off top of my head right now. It used to be called the sprint center, which sprint back then, that's Penguins colors. And at one point there was talks about them moving over there and they built that arena. And the colors of the seats are like that weird muted gold color in black. I might have fact checked that with somebody and it was confirmed that they were supposed to go there to Kansas City. And then I guess Mario Lemieux ended up being like, part owner of the team, and they kept them there. [01:09:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:47] Speaker A: So that's pretty cool. They did that. But the expansion team, like what you were talking about before, I truly think that 26 or 27, we will have probably the Tampa Bay Rays here, and they'll be called national stars. That's my guess. I'd put money on that. Why? [01:10:01] Speaker B: The rays. [01:10:02] Speaker A: Their contracts up on their stadium. [01:10:05] Speaker B: That's like Baltimore's contract was up, but they just renewed it. That was the other Baltimore. I would love for the Pittsburgh Pirates to come here, because nobody gives up. Nobody gives a fuck about I'm a huge Pittsburgh. It's a beautiful stadium that is on the river. So why not build another beautiful stadium? Do the Philly thing where you put all the stadiums in the same fucking parking lot, and then you could still have it on the river. Have the beautiful Nashville skyline instead of the Pittsburgh skyline, and you can have people that'll actually go to the games. [01:10:30] Speaker C: Nobody gives that much fuck about the Nashville skyline. It's not as pretty as the Pittsburgh skyline at PNC Park. [01:10:36] Speaker A: It is a pretty cool park. It is. [01:10:37] Speaker B: That's one of my I've been wanting to go for forever. I've never been to like there's two things I have to do to fully be a firm owner of Razor Outdy. I have to go to the city of Pittsburgh where raised raid was incepted, and I have to get a raised rowdy tattoo. Those are the two things I'm missing. [01:10:51] Speaker C: You got to say yin's. [01:10:52] Speaker B: Mickey T's. Got. Yeah. And yin's hanging out. [01:10:54] Speaker A: Yeah. What was that? I kind of remember that beer. [01:10:57] Speaker B: Yeah. They just say yin's instead of like, you guys, they go, Yin's guys want to get a beer. Yin's guys want to go downtown. [01:11:03] Speaker C: Love Yens. [01:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just Midwestern. They're confused if they're Midwestern or, you know, it's like that weird appalachia shit. And you've been in Nashville for how many years now? [01:11:14] Speaker A: I think we officially moved, probably 2013. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Okay. Ten year town shit. And you're here ten years, bro. [01:11:22] Speaker A: That is a very real thing. Like a ten year town. That's very real. That's absolutely real. And anybody that thinks they're going to jump in and just be something at some point right away smoke grass. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah, because I just hit my five year mark. I'm, like, halfway through, and I'm still figuring it out, but we're growing this thing and figuring it out. But in ten years of being here, do you see yourself going anywhere else? [01:11:43] Speaker A: No. Unless I become, like, crazy rich and just disappear into the wilderness. [01:11:48] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I hit the lottery ticket, I'm out of here. [01:11:51] Speaker A: Going to SAG Harbor, baby. [01:11:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Where would you go if you hit the lottery and you just bounced? [01:11:55] Speaker B: Where would you go? [01:11:55] Speaker A: Who, Matt? Yeah. Where would you go? [01:11:57] Speaker C: Or any of you? [01:11:57] Speaker B: I do a farm very far away so nobody could fuck with me. But then I'd also have a spot, like on the beach. [01:12:03] Speaker A: See, I like the beach idea too. So mine would be SAG harbor. I love that little town. It's like, on the island, middle of nowhere, long island. Like, small place. [01:12:16] Speaker B: You want to do the Hamptons? You're not a hampton. [01:12:19] Speaker A: So I got a weird Hampton story. So my grandparents, they grew up insanely poor. Like bad, bad poor. My grandmother, she would sew mattresses back in, like, the saved all this money up, and she bought two little beach cottages for, like, 30 grand. And then back then, that's not too bad for the Hamptons. So this is, like, the 60s. So we had beach house out there. Then my uncle built that place up. He started doing real estate there, and now I can't even think about having a house there. The smallest house, like, the size of this room would be, like, $4 million. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:12:52] Speaker A: Are you serious right now? [01:12:53] Speaker B: Crazy. [01:12:54] Speaker A: Yeah, but I like the idea of the farm thing. I bought about 90 acres just south of here, about 2 hours south. [01:13:00] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:13:01] Speaker A: Right around COVID? Yeah, got it for a good deal. And it has not been touched since, like, for 100 something years. [01:13:09] Speaker B: It's not over the Bama border, is it? [01:13:11] Speaker A: Almost. [01:13:12] Speaker B: Oh, so you're right there. Okay. [01:13:14] Speaker A: And what's cool about it is there's no address. It's just GPS coordinates. I'm like, yep. Hell yeah. [01:13:18] Speaker B: That's what you want. [01:13:19] Speaker A: That's right. [01:13:19] Speaker C: You still have it? [01:13:20] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:13:21] Speaker C: You got deer on it? [01:13:23] Speaker A: Shit. Do I have deer? I have deer. I got turkey. [01:13:26] Speaker B: Bigfoot's probably running around out there, dude, it's crazy. [01:13:30] Speaker A: I definitely walked up on an old still. Like, it hasn't been touched forever. Town historian. He's funny. He works out of this old jail in Lawrenceburg, Tennessee, and he's like, you bought one fifth of the town. Like, what do you mean fifth of the town? So I was talking to Quinn drummer for Riley. I was like, hey, man, this dude told me I bought one fifth of this town. And he joked about me being the mayor of the place, like, being funny. I was like, do you want to be the mayor of the town? He goes, yeah, Mayor Quinn. Mayor Quinn. Dude, can you imagine? [01:14:00] Speaker B: Dude, Quinn as mayor? Be awesome. [01:14:02] Speaker A: He would be the best. [01:14:03] Speaker B: He would be the best. [01:14:04] Speaker A: He's like, what's around there? I was like, oh, I think there's, like, a little small little town called West Point that's just north of there. Ironically enough, that's north there that's got this hemp fest, and it's just like a bunch of ancient hippies just get high on that river, and on the river there he goes, I'm down. I'll be the mayor. I'll mayor the hell out of that. [01:14:22] Speaker B: These are my people. [01:14:23] Speaker A: These are my people. That's funny stuff. But yeah, I think I want to try and build something on there at some point. As long as I got internet. That's. All I really need. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Yes. [01:14:32] Speaker A: I keep working. [01:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah. That is important stuff, dude. [01:14:35] Speaker A: Well, I don't think I could stop working. [01:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, right. That's the bug. The bug bites you and you can't stop working. [01:14:42] Speaker A: That's what keeps you young. [01:14:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, what does your day to day look like? Shit. [01:14:45] Speaker A: Chaos. I mean, it's just busy. I don't even know how to even answer that. I mean, wake up. Start with the 100 something emails to kind of filter through and team meetings and planning. I mean, it's just every day. It's kind of tough, though. The only thing that's tough is still working out of the house. Like having an office at the house just to save the money. I don't want to spend five to ten grand a month on rent. Yeah, that's crazy. But yeah, it's just a lot of conversation stuff. Getting out there and just trying to get Ella's name out there, Wyatt's name, and just trying to build and build, build, build. That's all we're trying to do. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Well, dude, I'd say you're doing a pretty dang good job of doing that, man. [01:15:28] Speaker A: I appreciate it. I can't do it without my guys, though. I mean, Bradley and Megan being on the Ella team, there's no way they are workhorses as well. And I'm just going to keep surrounding myself with folks like that. People like you guys. It only makes sense, dude. [01:15:43] Speaker B: That's what it's all about. We appreciate you coming on here, dude. You were saying you haven't done one of these, right? [01:15:48] Speaker A: No, never. [01:15:49] Speaker B: Well, dude, we're happy to pop the podcast Cherry, and we'll have to do it again. Maybe do a workhorse special or something. I don't know. We'll do one in the future. We'll do another one. Maybe get you on a live pod that we those we're getting ready to do some industry based things with Peyton's Pod behind the music biz that we're looking to do some happy hour social kind of stuff, networking events and having folks that have a lot of years in the game like yourself and coaching people up. [01:16:21] Speaker A: That's what I see about you guys. Like, not just because I'm sitting here, but I do think about this pretty often. Like, people like like all you guys are like the new generation of the Ward from Whiskey Jam, which is also like Bradley. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I call Ward. The Godfather? [01:16:38] Speaker A: He is. And I was talking to Opry at this one point. I was like, you know, it'd be cool. What if y'all did something? Know you have Opry members. But what if it was like industry people like people like Bradley Jordan and Ward? This wouldn't be happening right now without those two dudes. Like, oh my like, I guess you might be right. That might be a thing I said. I will make it my damn creed to try and figure out a way to get Bradley and Ward at least Bradley, because of how close I am and Ward needs to be on there, too, because he deserves it. But at least those two guys to get, like, in the hall of Fame, they've done so much. So much. [01:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah, country music wouldn't be the same without what those guys have done over the last decade and a half, two decades. It's crazy. [01:17:19] Speaker A: There's a lot of people out there that deserve it, too. But those two always, in my mind of they need to be, like, the first class. They're HOFs, dude. [01:17:27] Speaker C: Ward's a celebrity in my eyes. When I first came to town, I. [01:17:30] Speaker B: Saw Ward, I was like, Holy shit. [01:17:32] Speaker A: Fuck. What kind of watch is he wearing? [01:17:34] Speaker C: I saw Morgan wallen at Losers, and I still wasn't even that shocked. I was just like that's. [01:17:40] Speaker A: Ward yeah, they do. That's the thing those guys keep beating them up with, like, Ward and Bradley, they've got such an eye for a R. They just know what's so and what a great platform to be on. Like peachtree stuff and Ward's whiskey jam. Mean Ray's Rowdy's right there, dude. [01:17:57] Speaker B: Yeah, we're trying, man. We appreciate being in that conversation. And we always say we're artist friendly. We like being a little silly with it and, like, just being good members of the community. When you think of the folks that are out there paying for those four day camping passes at country concert in Fort Laurie, at Rock the south, at Rock the country this year, at any of those big festivals, and you see those folks in the front row for the side stage, for the main stage, that's us. We're the guys at the side stage watching the Yellow Langley's, watching the Wyatt McCubbins, watching the guys and girls on the come up. And we pride ourselves in that, dude. But where can people go to find you on the social medias? [01:18:35] Speaker A: Instagram, I guess, would be the James Vincent. [01:18:39] Speaker B: The james. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Vincent. Just keep it simple, I guess, right? I couldn't come up with some kind of crazy screen name and then workhorse. Just workhorse. Artists. [01:18:47] Speaker B: Sweet. [01:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah, it's Instagram on there, too. [01:18:49] Speaker B: Hell yeah, dude. [01:18:50] Speaker A: Well, I'm around. [01:18:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you are around. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Try not to be. I hide sometimes. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. And we got to link up soon. The family's coming back in town, so we might have to link you up for a pasta dinner. [01:18:59] Speaker A: Dude. [01:19:01] Speaker B: The penny olive, otka and chicken cutlets. [01:19:03] Speaker A: That's right. Antipasta, not chartrudery. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Yes, antipasta. Exactly. [01:19:07] Speaker A: People don't fucking get it down here. That's right. And it's not pasta either. Dude, it's pasta. Sorry. [01:19:13] Speaker B: It is antipasta. Yes, absolutely. Well, you all be sure to check out our boy Jim Prisco workhorse. They're doing some great things. And we appreciate you so much for coming on, bro. Y'all be sure to check out our boy Peyton Heebin with the music behind the music biz, the first ever Raise Rowdy Suits podcast, as we're calling it. Getting all those suits on there. We just dropped episode one with churro, right. And it comes out every we're doing every tuesday, right? [01:19:40] Speaker C: I think every tuesday. 08:00 a.m. Yeah. [01:19:43] Speaker B: 08:00 a.m. They're releasing every tuesday. We're starting out on audio right now but we're going to be getting the video kinks worked out and getting peyton's pot up there. So I know a lot of folks from the music industry watch this stuff and a lot of kids starting out. Some great nuggets of knowledge from our boy jim. And you'll be able to find a lot of that kind of stuff on behind the music biz with our boy peyton heeban. Appreciate you guys and girls watching, listening as always. You'll be sure to check out our friends from whaletail media saxophone studios and our boy mitch wallace with the digital marketing agency. You want to know more about us, visit raisedrowdy.com. For my boy jim. For my boy peyton, I'm Matt brill. This has been outside the route.