Speaker 1 00:00:13 Yo. Yo. Yo. What is up? Welcome back to the In the Round podcast. You got Matt and Boudreaux. What up? How you doing buddy?
Speaker 2 00:00:20 I'm doing good, man. How you feeling right now?
Speaker 1 00:00:22 I am psyched to be doing this episode cuz it is with one of my best friends here in Nashville, Tennessee. One of my best friends in the world. It's Miss Carly Rogers and Carly, what's that ad read say? We're gonna let guests do an ad read. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 00:01:07 Hell yeah.
Speaker 3 00:01:08 I'm a great reader. You are. I barely, I'm on you <laugh>. I almost,
Speaker 2 00:01:12 It's not being from the south. I
Speaker 3 00:01:13 Almost de slipped up like barely. Almost slipped up.
Speaker 1 00:01:17 You did really good right there. You did great. Well how the hell are you doing? You're, last time we did this, so Tyler, was it episode three? Something like that? Yeah, I think it was episode three. So we were recording at Tyler's old place. We had cats there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:32 And we learned that day that you hated cats.
Speaker 3 00:01:34 Oh, I hate cats.
Speaker 2 00:01:36 <laugh>. And somewhere in here, probably towards the end. I'm gonna redo the audio from whenever the cat jumped on you. Did
Speaker 3 00:01:41 I scream? Oh yeah. I can't remember if I screamed or not.
Speaker 2 00:01:44 There was like the cat and it was like terrorizing you. It was on the guitar case behind you and it was like reaching up and just like tapping your shoulder. Oh my God. I'm getting
Speaker 3 00:01:50 Anxious just
Speaker 1 00:01:51 Thinking about it. So that was back in like March, I wanna say March of 2019. So that's over a year ago. Yeah. Almost
Speaker 2 00:01:58 A year and a half.
Speaker 1 00:01:59 Almost a year and a half. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And now we've grown a lot. You've had what you've done in that span of time. Pretty freaking insane. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:02:07 Thank you. Yeah, everything's uh, everything's going great. I can't complain. 2020 has been a weird year. I feel like emotionally I'm like, this sucks Mom, come pick
Speaker 2 00:02:17 Me up. I
Speaker 3 00:02:18 Wanna go home. <laugh>. But then like the other, like down to, not down to earth but the physical part of the year, you know, music and I put out so many songs and merchandise and the Instagram and, and Facebook following and social media. And so, uh, streaming all that, like all of that's gone up. So I really can't complain on that end. But like the emotional, I hate being stuck in the house. Yeah. Mom come pick me up. I
Speaker 2 00:02:41 Hate it. Like, everybody this year has had that SpongeBob Sandy Cheeks moment where they're sitting at the top of the house with the guitar. I wanna go home,
Speaker 0 00:02:51 I
Speaker 3 00:02:51 Wanna
Speaker 2 00:02:52 Go home. And I'm just like, yeah, I wanna go to Texas. Like, hell yeah.
Speaker 1 00:02:56 Yeah. So you've been here through most of this thing also. You've gone down to Florida. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:03:02 <affirmative>. The Carolinas.
Speaker 1 00:03:03 The
Speaker 3 00:03:04 Carolinas. I've been spending some time in South Carolina. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:07 And up in Vermont. Yeah. You got to go home for a little bit
Speaker 3 00:03:10 Up in Vermont. This is Apple. We do, we got one area code and it's 8 0 2. Hey, that's real. There's a real rap song on YouTube and it's these kids from like some high school thing. They had to do it and put it on YouTube and the thing got like, I don't know how many numbers but in my head, millions of views. It probably didn't get millions, but I got What's Thousand? What's it called? We'll look it up. That's awesome. 8 0 2 Rap.
Speaker 2 00:03:30 8 0 2
Speaker 1 00:03:30 Rap Rap's. Awesome. Now, where was your last show before all the Covid stuff started because you had a big touring year ahead of you. Not that you haven't been touring for a while now, like as doing your bar gigs and obviously stuff with Ryan and, and all that. Where was your last gig before all the shit hit the fan?
Speaker 3 00:03:48 The, there's two in Florida and it was the, is it the ranch in Fort Myers? The barn is in Sanford. The ranch I think is in Fort Myers. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:04:00 I think so.
Speaker 3 00:04:01 And it was cuz then there's the stockyard and all that. So it was the ranch in Fort Myers where the last was the last show. Um, and that was the sold that was Showman and it was, they had me, they were chanting my name and it just makes me so sad.
Speaker 2 00:04:15 Was it, was it this video?
Speaker 3 00:04:16 Yeah, it is. How many of views
Speaker 2 00:04:18 Does it have? So 279,000 <laugh> from 13 years ago. Yeah, that's like early
Speaker 3 00:04:22 Days. That was when YouTube first came out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:04:25 <laugh> the baby days of
Speaker 3 00:04:26 YouTube. Yeah. Cause I would, I was in like the second or third grade and they put it out.
Speaker 2 00:04:29 Remember when the YouTube emblem used to be on actual tv? Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:04:33 It still is on some iPhones.
Speaker 2 00:04:35 Yeah, on some that are like from 2007. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:04:39 <laugh>. No, but the touring year man. Yeah, we had like four or five of my dream venues on there. Some with Ryan, some independently booked by myself, which was as like my own booking manager and, and booking agent. That was the coolest thing. I had like Georgia Theater on there opening for people and it just that in and of itself, getting that by myself and with the help of some friends getting their phone number and, you know, smuggling it to me was, was really awesome. Um, and a couple of other venues. But yeah, Fort Myers was our last show with, with Ryan. And then, uh, we had the rave, we had the Machine Shop Force. Us rolled out nights.
Speaker 1 00:05:17 The machine shop would've been nuts. I mean the Rave, the Rave is the rave. Eagle Club is one of my favorites that me and Tyler have gotten to go to. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and machine shop's cool because machine Shop is, it's in Flint. There's nothing super sexy about it, but there's just something about that room that makes it So the
Speaker 2 00:05:33 Lighting director's name is literally butt
Speaker 1 00:05:35 Crack. Yeah. His name's. Yeah. One of the crew members' names. And
Speaker 2 00:05:38 He has like mutton chops.
Speaker 3 00:05:39 I
Speaker 1 00:05:39 Love it. It's the nicest crew that they've got your back, the, the whole team there. And I know Ryan, Ryan Upchurch crushes it
Speaker 3 00:05:47 At the machine. Yeah. Four sold out night.
Speaker 1 00:05:49 Had you, had you been there before?
Speaker 3 00:05:51 Never. So I'm just, ugh, I'm just so
Speaker 2 00:05:54 Disappointed. So when you get to go right next door. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:05:57 The cheese steaks spot
Speaker 2 00:05:58 It, it's called like, I think it's called like buds.
Speaker 3 00:06:00 Keep the cheese steaks outta my face. Save, save the cheese, save the steaks. Give them to me separately, but keep off each,
Speaker 2 00:06:07 Each other. They, they do just have steak sandwiches. Oh good. Okay. So it's called like buds, like steak sandwiches. Yeah, the cheese is optional. It's not like a Philly necessary. Gotcha. But it's like, it's
Speaker 1 00:06:16 Old
Speaker 2 00:06:16 School. They, they massive, like, I'm talking like 16 inches
Speaker 1 00:06:20 Boudro struggled finishing one.
Speaker 2 00:06:22 I didn't even finish one. I I literally ate half and took the other half for like a meal another day. I love that. I think I ate it cold one morning on the bus. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:06:29 There you go. Yeah. As long as it's cooked man.
Speaker 1 00:06:32 So you were saying the machine shop, the Rave, what were some other ones?
Speaker 3 00:06:35 Uh, we had, I keep talking away from the microphone. I'm so sorry. It's been so long since I've had a microphone in front of my face. Uh, the machine shop, the Rave. We had, uh, tailgates and Tall Boys up in Illinois
Speaker 2 00:06:47 Tank. That was fun. I did that before you came home with Musk Island last year. Yeah. And that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 00:06:52 It's rowdy I hear.
Speaker 3 00:06:53 Yeah, yeah. Uh, I'm still doing the Cotton Night Joe with Hayden Kauffman, which will be cool. I love playing there. Um, Georgia Theater like I said. And then I think The Stockyard, which is one of my dream venues just because I grew up weren.
Speaker 2 00:07:06 You supposed to play somewhere in Indie in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 00:07:09 Eight Seconds Saloon. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:07:10 That's a fun one. Eight Second Saloon is freaking massive,
Speaker 3 00:07:13 Dude. And here's the other thing too. We had such a quality team coming, like, cuz we all know our church sells out shows, but I had like 50 really quality like, fans coming and not, and nothing against anybody else but these were like, we're just coming to see you and then we're leaving. Like, that's what I mean by quality. Like they're only coming to see me. They're, you know, notable people. And I just was like, dang it. You know, it just sucks.
Speaker 2 00:07:38 Eight second was a lot of fun last year.
Speaker 3 00:07:40 Yeah. Yeah. Well and there's an eight second too in Louisville I think and in Oh really? Cincinnati. There's definitely, definitely one in Louisville that I've been to. We uh, we went to it after the William Michael concert in Louisville couple years or last year. And that was cool, but it was pretty small. It only looked like it had like 300 people. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:07:57 Yeah. This one in, uh, Indy I think what, 2,500 cap? It's like
Speaker 1 00:08:01 25 to three.
Speaker 3 00:08:02 Yeah, we sold out that one too. It's,
Speaker 1 00:08:04 It's a, it's a, yeah, no, I'm, I'm, it might
Speaker 2 00:08:05 Be 15, but it's, it's still like over a thousand people.
Speaker 1 00:08:08 It it's very, it's very spaced out and it's crazy. And you were just in Indie, right?
Speaker 3 00:08:11 I was for the 500.
Speaker 1 00:08:13 How was that? Cuz that looked awesome and I love that you did the, uh, race rowdy takeover. Yeah, I thought that was the coolest freaking, I was like, oh shit, that's Carly. Well, oh shit, here's all the shenanigans.
Speaker 3 00:08:22 I said to Nick, I was like, I'm not, cuz I go to the Talladega race and, and I've been to Bristol and all that and we have pretty good hookups for those. But like, this time, obviously they're not doing fans. So I told Nick, I was like, if it's just like, you know, a regular house party, I'm not gonna, I, I won't clutter the page with it. If we're just going to a house party in Indianapolis. Like, I won't clutter the page. Well my friend Carly didn't tell me that we're going to like a mansion with a lot of people and like a pool. And it was a pool party and it's downtown and we're gonna get the flyover and we're gonna hang out with the after party with all the racers and the, the drivers at the end of the night. Like, we're, we're all good.
Speaker 3 00:08:57 So, you know, and Carly shout out to her, she's incredible. And she's my tour manager and best friend. And, but yeah, so she had the hookup and, excuse me, I keep kicking this table. Sorry, I paused, uh, for all the listeners. But yeah, so it was really cool when we got to hang out with a bunch of people. Um, unfortunately most of Carly's friends and, and the people that I know wrecked didn't do too well, but they were all okay. Which is the biggest blessing. Um, and, and it was just so much fun. We took a lot of shots.
Speaker 1 00:09:25 Yeah, it looks pretty rowdy.
Speaker 3 00:09:27 I ate a lot of chicken wings. Ooh. Yeah. I stayed out of the pool. That's good. Girl. Stays out of the pool in covid season and stays six feet away from everybody at all times. But yeah, it was fun. Um, and everybody there was super awesome. Chris Burton, um, owned the house and, and he's incredible. Shout out to Chris Burton of Vendy on Instagram. But yeah, he's, uh, he's awesome. In the hospitality was great and it was catered and private bartenders and yeah, like I said, I mean there was four or five giant TVs to watch the race and it, it was nuts. Connor crashed. Connor Daley big old shout out to him. Um, but he wrecked and it was just like all I, I, I don't know how many people were there, whatever the limitations of Indianapolis are, cause I'm not getting anybody in trouble, <laugh>. But, um, everybody in the house just went silent. Everybody at the pool, DJ cut the music, like everything just dropped. It was so crazy how, uh, loyal they are to their Indianapolis guys and, and their drivers and yeah.
Speaker 1 00:10:26 Yeah. No, that's freaking badass and awesome. Let's talking about the music. Um, you've been, you've put out quite a few singles this year.
Speaker 3 00:10:34 Yeah. Uh, one
Speaker 1 00:10:35 I remember, I remember when they were dropping and me and Tyler were up in, uh, Delaware. We were, yeah, we were up in Delaware and freaking, uh, I was like, oh shit, here's drunk outta drinking. Yeah. I was like, oh shit, here's just another, like these songs. And they, and they kept on, kept on dropping How, how's this, how's the response been?
Speaker 3 00:10:55 Dude, it's growing and it's awesome. And we have another song coming out next month and I just wanted to let these three sit for just a second and see how they do. Um, but yeah, so we've got one more coming out in September, hopefully two more coming out through the winter. Um, my thing is, is is obviously like you said, you just kept, you keep seeing, oh, there's another one. Oh, there's another one. Oh, there's another one. And it gained enough traction for me to be like, all right, we can sit and chill for a second. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm just kind of following this independent model that I follow of like, I wanna get to the point where we can drop one a month and then one a week and
Speaker 1 00:11:32 Yeah, I mean, just just to go down the list, you had, you had Buy Your Side, come out, be get Riddled early in the year. Yeah. Follow that up with Drunk Side, which was a song you actually played, I believe you played Drunk Side of Drinking. Did you play that last time you were on here somewhere
Speaker 3 00:11:46 Else?
Speaker 1 00:11:46 You played somewhere else last time you were on here. Yeah. Which also just came out. Yeah. Like
Speaker 3 00:11:51 And just another Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:11:52 You've had these songs for quite a while. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:11:54 Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:11:54 Yeah, yeah. So what, what was, what was the reasoning for putting 'em out now as opposed to putting 'em out last year? Because you put out a bunch of songs last year too. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:12:02 Well, I mean, honestly, I mean, it came down to finances somewhere else and, uh, drunk Side of Drinking. I think we were actually written in 2018 and then just another was written February of this year. And somewhere else, or I'm sorry, uh, by Your Side was written in 2019. So, um, big difference in like, years and stuff like that. But I just put 'em out in the order that I did just because of where I was at. Like, I just was ready to get just another out first. Yeah. And I was trying to line 'em up, to be honest with you. I was trying to line 'em up after each Upchurch show, like, do one, like I dropped by your side January 5th, right after our Upchurch shows. Yeah. I dropped just another right after the February shows Drunk Side of Drinking was gonna come out in March after, you know, whatever shows we were playing in March and somewhere else. So, um, so yeah, that was the reasoning for putting 'em out this year. But honestly, last year I just was broke.
Speaker 1 00:12:54 <laugh>. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I, and I was just asking if there's like a certain process and like you're waiting to put this song out because so and so happened. Like, cause the other thing too, your Instagram. Yeah. Ed has become, I remember when we were trying to get you, I think it was like to 10 or 20,000. You're coming up on what, 50 now? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:13:13 And I'll have it in the next, I mean, I average 600 new followers a week.
Speaker 1 00:13:19 How do you do that?
Speaker 3 00:13:20 I just stay consistent. I don't have, I manage my own social media. They're disclaimer, uh, alert, whatever, but there are like robots that you can hire Yeah. To like, follow unfollow people and stuff. I just stay consistent. I post every two to three days. Um, I always have at least five stories on my snap or on my Instagram story. Um, Facebook, I'm trying to get people over to Facebook and it's growing and um, but yeah, I just, I stay consistent with it and I'm interactive. I went through my phone time and it made me feel so horrible about myself, but I spent like eight hours a day on my phone.
Speaker 1 00:13:59 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:14:00 Actively like, not just letting Spotify play or whatever podcast play. I actively spend like eight hours on my phone.
Speaker 1 00:14:07 Yeah. No, that, that's pretty, I mean, the thing is though is it's, is it's working. Yeah. Like you're seeing the, the growth of the Carly Rogers brand. Like, I mean, hell I was, I I I went and helped you pick up some merch, like you've got people buying your shirts and stuff online. Yeah. Like, it's getting to that point where like the, the base is growing that much and it, it's just cool to sit back and see your live videos too. Yeah. People, what's the, what's the, we, what's the wildest, um, what's the wildest thing you've seen, like craziest like comment or whatever that you've seen on a live thing? Because I know like, like up, like, like Dear Door or whoever, it'll pop on and just kind of mess with you. Like your, your, your buddies, all those folks. Yeah. Like, you gotta get some interesting people on
Speaker 3 00:14:50 There. Uh, I definitely do and I'm lucky I haven't had any, cuz sometimes I'll mess around and just like let somebody in cuz I get requests to come in and stuff. And now granted, like Leroy has half the amount of followers that I do and he gets twice as many people in his lives. So my lives aren't on and popping. Like, I'm not that funny. I'm usually all sweaty or just about to go work out. Uh, I
Speaker 1 00:15:13 Don't, or eating or eating a pizza
Speaker 3 00:15:14 Or eating food. Those seem to be the most popular. That's what, and that just sounded super Vermont there, but those are definitely the most popular. Um, but I think like I've had just people get on, say like, somebody got on my live yesterday and said, I don't look like my photos. I'm like, that's weird because I don't put any makeup on and I don't edit my photos or anything. Yeah. So you just must be mad. Um, your flashlight's on your phone,
Speaker 1 00:15:39 <laugh>. I know. I hate, I hate when that happens. Like I love that the flashlight's so accessible because it is useful, but at the same time it's like, fuck. Like I'll it'll be on for, it'll be on in my pocket. Yeah. In probably like 20 minutes and I won't fucking realize
Speaker 3 00:15:51 It. Yeah. It'll just be a white.in your pocket. Everybody's looking at your whatever. Uh, <laugh>. But yeah, I don't really get weird comments as much as I get weird messages and the messages get all, I mean all ends of the spectrum. They're like the universe. You get one from Mars, you get one from X, Y F, 2 74, whatever number planet <laugh> like in a dis galaxy. Like you just, and they're all with great intention. Very rarely have I gotten any negative, uh, reactions from anything. Literally anything. I never get fat, I never get ugly. I never get anything like that. Um, which is impeccable. And, and I'm, I'm grateful for that. I hope it stays that way. But more and more people, it's like once a month I get somebody that's just like, you're gonna get really fat and die if you keep eating like that. I'm like, yeah man, I'm aware. Whoa. Wow. Actually somebody's manager, an artist that we all knows, manager messaged me that today. And I was like, why? Today? Today. Wow. Yeah. On Snapchat. So on
Speaker 1 00:16:57 Snapchat.
Speaker 3 00:16:58 That's what I mean. Like, it's that kind of relationship. Like dude knows me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:17:01 How do, how does Snapchat work as an artist? Because you utilize your Snapchat very well as an artist, but you also do it as a personality. How does that work?
Speaker 3 00:17:10 Yeah. So
Speaker 1 00:17:11 Because it's like a subscriber thing in a way. Correct. Um, instead of or like a follow.
Speaker 3 00:17:15 Well, so what happens is I just have it wide open so anybody can add me if I don't add 'em back. They're technically a subscriber, but some days I'll get on a wild hair and I'm like, Hey, I'm adding people back on Snapchat. Go add me and I'll add 'em. So then it's on their friends list. Either way they're still seeing my stuff. Um, but I just, where they're seeing it
Speaker 1 00:17:33 At.
Speaker 3 00:17:34 Yeah. If it pops up at the bottom part or if it comes up on the top and whether or not, and this is the same way with Instagram, whether or not I'm in the discover page versus the top five, whatever stories that, oh my God, I just hurt my shoulders so bad last night and I forgot I can't raise it. And I did.
Speaker 1 00:17:53 Yeah. You just said like a firm like hand raise, like you expressing I know, I know. Call me, call me, call me like, ah, my arm, I got call me John up there, have surgery.
Speaker 3 00:18:06 I got up there and wanted to play it off so bad. But I looked at Matt's eyes and bore, I know you didn't see this part, but literally I looked at Matt's eyes and went,
Speaker 1 00:18:12 Uh, <laugh> just sign it defeat.
Speaker 3 00:18:15 So whether or not I'm gonna have to like hold on my jeans or something, but whether or not I'm in the discover page or in the top or whatevers of, um, Snapchat or Instagram, like the story things, I don't know what they're called, but the little circle bubbles that are at the top depends on how interactive they are. So I really try to like, I got my story today. I saw something on Facebook. It's like, how many colors do you see? And it looks like only one, but then you kind of like focus in on it and there's five. And
Speaker 1 00:18:41 That would be a good one for me to do right now because I'm colorblind.
Speaker 3 00:18:44 Let's see. I mean, I barely even saw the how
Speaker 1 00:18:47 Many, how many, how many interactions did you get off that?
Speaker 3 00:18:49 I mean, right now I don't have a specific number, but it's only been up there for, let's just see. Uh, it's only been up there for six hours. And
Speaker 1 00:18:58 How many people have seen it?
Speaker 3 00:18:59 How many people on six hours? A thousand
Speaker 1 00:19:01 A thou. You have a thousand people that's on your Snapchat.
Speaker 3 00:19:04 On my Instagram. I'm sorry. No, my Snapchat, I haven't posted on my Snapchat, but like on Snapchat I'll post things like, oh my God, this is how I feel about something. Or like a run
Speaker 1 00:19:13 Or a picture of Willie or
Speaker 3 00:19:14 Or a pizza.
Speaker 1 00:19:15 Or pizza.
Speaker 3 00:19:16 Yep. So in seven hours, 500 people have seen it on Snapchat so far. But what people don't realize, that's
Speaker 1 00:19:21 A lot of people.
Speaker 3 00:19:22 I went viral on Snapchat though before Snapchat was really that big. And when I only had like 2000 followers on Instagram. Yeah. I lost my dog out in the Smoky Mountains one time. <laugh> and I, well I was hiking and he ran off and I went on Snapchat and was just like, I was on Snapchat, I was on Facebook, Instagram and was just like,
Speaker 1 00:19:39 Oh my god, I lost my dog. Really?
Speaker 3 00:19:43 And dude, I'm trying to keep it together. And I had a bunch of people on Snapchat just from like adding people on like Tinder and Bumble and like I was the original Tinder like promoter. I was going on Tinder swiping right on everybody. And then like, uh, what do they call it? Blasting them with a message saying like, Hey, uh, go check out my Spotify, blah blah blah before everybody else did
Speaker 1 00:20:04 It. Oh, people do it. People do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:20:07 They do. No, but this is the thing is now everybody does it. But five years ago nobody did it. Tinder was new so nobody did it. And when I would do that, they'd be like, oh, I've never had a message like this before. I get that you're not trying to date but cool music. Like, I'll follow along. So, and like, here's my Snapchat and now occasionally there's the unsolicited private dick pick whatever <laugh> that I just don't open. No. And it's really bad. Like my sister-in-law even was asking me one time and it was so uncomfortable because she's a psychiatrist and a psychologist really. But she works in child psychiatry. And she was like, so Carly, like I see the comments that you get on your Facebook and your Instagram and she's so sweet, the sweetest, kindest voice. And she goes, how many dick pics do you get? Or how many or No, no, no. She didn't say it like that. She goes, how many naked photos do you get? Like, I have seen the comments and I'm sure, and I go, Caitlin, you just don't even wanna know <laugh>. But um, this is the Snapchat story thing that I, or the Instagram story thing I was talking about, like what colors do you
Speaker 2 00:21:11 See? Let me, let me see this. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:21:13 Let me see if I can, geez.
Speaker 1 00:21:15 You know what the problem is though? You're probably not the only girl that's getting that done too either. No. There's probably all kinds of that shit
Speaker 3 00:21:20 Feel like hold it down or it'll flip. That's pretty
Speaker 2 00:21:21 Wild. Okay. Right off the bat. I see too. Okay. Okay. Now there's third's coming in, slowly 30.
Speaker 3 00:21:27 He's coming in slowly
Speaker 2 00:21:28 Up. There's a
Speaker 3 00:21:29 Fourth. You might have to like flip it. See,
Speaker 1 00:21:31 Adjust it. You can show him blue when he sees like fucking red or something. Oh yeah, no, he's severely color
Speaker 2 00:21:36 One. Okay. I I see four. I'm done with four. It's five. There's, there's like on the right there's like a blueish. Yep. And then the middle's white.
Speaker 3 00:21:45 It's actually purple on the right, but
Speaker 2 00:21:47 No, no, no. Oh, it's
Speaker 3 00:21:48 More purple blue.
Speaker 2 00:21:49 I'm color blind so I know.
Speaker 3 00:21:51 I actually see colors. And I had to say this to my cousin when I went home last time. We were sitting there having a family barbecue cuz I only come home every so often and
Speaker 2 00:21:59 It's a blue in the left.
Speaker 3 00:22:01 I gotta look at it. I don't
Speaker 2 00:22:02 Remember. And and there's like an off-white to like the center left.
Speaker 3 00:22:05 Yeah. And there's a pinky.
Speaker 2 00:22:07 Oh that might be pink that I'm seeing. I don't know. Oh
Speaker 3 00:22:09 Yeah. So it's like purple gray off to the right and then it's like super whiteish whiteish like minty blue.
Speaker 2 00:22:15 Yeah. To the left.
Speaker 1 00:22:16 I just see white and gray
Speaker 2 00:22:18 <laugh>. Yeah. Maybe you're more color blind than I am. No, nah. But uh, no.
Speaker 1 00:22:23 Nah, nobody is.
Speaker 3 00:22:24 But so no, with Snapchat though. No,
Speaker 2 00:22:25 A lot of
Speaker 3 00:22:25 People are. It's super cool though. And I lost a dog and I was on Snapchat, whatever for however it was like three days and I didn't shower like after the second day, my tent just wasn't doing it for me. And I was way out there and um, it was, oh, I can't even remember the name of the town now. But anyway, I was very, I was 20 miles from like, any sort of town. And so the closest hotel was like 45 minutes. And I finally got one just to go shower. But like, I had been out in my tent for three, two and a half days. No food, no extra water, like just my sleeping bag, no shower. And was just trying to like find articles of clothing that I could like ravage under from underneath my floorboards of my car from basically living in it on tour for the last three years, which I don't actually live in it, but I sometimes I'd throw like random clothes or whatever in there and leaving the mountain in the woods.
Speaker 3 00:23:15 So Willie would come back cuz he would smell my, my scent and then like come back and be able to find me. And that was my logic. And I documented the whole thing. And I had somebody at CM A F s that year. It was like three or four months later being like, oh my God, you're the girl that lost her dog. And I go, what? And she was like, yeah, like you lost your dog and you were posting about it on Snapchat. And I was like, yeah, I was. And they're like, we're from Nevada. We saw it like we were cheering it for you on this shit. I was like, well he wasn't in Nevada, but thanks
Speaker 1 00:23:45 <laugh>. Wow.
Speaker 3 00:23:47 So cool. But Snapchat's weird man. I, uh, I definitely learned.
Speaker 1 00:23:50 Are you a talker?
Speaker 3 00:23:52 I try
Speaker 1 00:23:53 Because I think I, I think you and I have talked about this before.
Speaker 3 00:23:55 I have like all these unread snaps. Holy,
Speaker 1 00:23:57 I I'm kind of scared to open them. I kind of wanna play roulette and open 'em up,
Speaker 3 00:24:01 See
Speaker 1 00:24:01 If we get a fake,
Speaker 3 00:24:03 Let's get it. There's
Speaker 1 00:24:04 There's just a big bulging fucking
Speaker 3 00:24:07 Rebel. 0 0 7 0 2 shout out to you. He said I was lit, I was very sober in this photo. I just looked like an idiot. Um, and but that's only we're saying roulette. That's only the 12th. So that's only 10 days ago. Let's go back like a couple. Let's go back a couple. Oh
Speaker 1 00:24:25 God. Gosh.
Speaker 3 00:24:26 <laugh>. All right, we're back When I was messaging Laney Wilson on Snapchat.
Speaker 1 00:24:29 Oh
Speaker 3 00:24:30 Jeez. P B t <laugh>. Uh, let's go back. We can, you can ask me another question if you want while I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 00:24:38 So take TikTok. Why, why, what have you found and what do you think, since you're such a big instagramer, what do you think about those? Um, the clip thing or whatever that Instagram's doing. It feels like it's TikTok put on Instagram.
Speaker 3 00:24:50 I just really, I wish I was better at being consistently funny. I think I would do really well on TikTok music for me. Like prime example, Priscilla Block. Like she got funny or she got famous on TikTok because she's funny.
Speaker 2 00:25:05 Well, you know her and like seven other people are doing this thing on TikTok now called the six 15 house.
Speaker 3 00:25:12 Yeah, they're, they went LA with it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:25:14 Yeah. So,
Speaker 2 00:25:14 And that's like a thing that like a lot, lot of talkers are doing is they're just going in on a house together basically and living together and doing kind of like reality tv but TikTok
Speaker 3 00:25:23 Well and then having the same consistent four people. I mean, it's a great business model. Like yeah, you have the same consistent people, kids, people
Speaker 1 00:25:29 Will watch it
Speaker 3 00:25:30 Sharing followings and then also doing their own thing. But like Priscilla got so funny with her songs on, on TikTok that like, it just blew up. And also I found that TikTok is super random. Like yeah, I can post a video and it gets like a hundred views and then I can post another video or the same video twice and it blows up to 20,000 in an hour. And it just, and also my videos that get 20,000 in an hour get deleted because they violate TikTok standards because they're not liberal. Like, and I'm super duper sorry for going that way with it, but like I got shot in the butt with a rubber blow dart and they took it down. Yeah. And then I got shot in the butt with a real blow dart and they took it down even faster. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:26:10 I'm, I'm trying, I think I can guess who you, who what? Well who shot you with the rubber dart? Was it up? Where where
Speaker 3 00:26:16 Was that? It was not up church. It was not
Speaker 1 00:26:18 Cheatham County. I was gonna
Speaker 3 00:26:19 Say it was Cheatham County, but it wast up church. Uh, Josh Phillips. Oh wow. Oh yeah. Shout out to Joshy Joshy Poo.
Speaker 1 00:26:25 Oh
Speaker 3 00:26:25 Man, I joshy poo poo. I'm really trying to find some, but you know what? I think they like deleted themselves or something, so I'm gonna find something. Let's see. Oh, I
Speaker 1 00:26:35 Know that one. She, she's literally just scrolling through her Snapchat and it's just all these unopened messages. So if you're a Carly Rogers fan, I mean keep chatting there. There is hope for moments like this, but
Speaker 3 00:26:44 Yeah, I do Sometimes late night especially. And that's the worst time to open Snapchat. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:26:49 You're just asking for it. You get the 2:00 AM What's
Speaker 3 00:26:51 Up? I got a year Gorgeous on May 17th. Thank you so much. Jay Birchfield 69 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:27:00 It's, it's Tyler. Just snorted. No, that wasn't me. That was Carly. God.
Speaker 3 00:27:06 See, uh, let me see. Let me just find another one from more recent. I went like way down. Uh,
Speaker 1 00:27:13 Oh man. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:27:17 I gotta find a photo. I don't know this guy.
Speaker 1 00:27:19 Do you use Facebook at all? Like is Facebook a big promoter for you with your business?
Speaker 3 00:27:23 Uh, yeah. So Facebook has two separate <laugh>. This is the best way to describe my Facebook versus my Instagram. Instagram. I've got almost 50,000 Facebook, I've only got like 12,000. Yeah. I go on Instagram live, I get 20 people and that's fine. I'm cool with it. They all like my stuff. I don't need 'em to come on my live whatever. I go on Facebook, I get le way less likes, but I get a bunch more like two uh, 20 times that on my Facebook lives I get like two, 300 sometimes. Do
Speaker 1 00:27:55 You think part of that is people sharing it and the way the feed system works with Facebook?
Speaker 3 00:28:00 Absolutely. But I also think it's an older demographic. Yeah. And they're like commenting. And also I put my Venmo on my cash app on.
Speaker 1 00:28:07 Yeah. How's that? Yeah. You've been very good about that.
Speaker 3 00:28:10 Well, I try not to overdo it and oversaturated because it got oversaturated like that and now only fans is in the picture. I snapped for anybody that couldn't hear it. Uh, now only fans is in the picture, so people are moving to that and they're kind of getting their wings wet with, with Patreon. But I throw my Venmo and my cash app on there once a month. Maybe on Instagram I might make like five bucks Facebook, I just paid two months rent. So Congrats. But it's just a different demographic. And that's what I mean is like, it's a lot of younger kids on my Instagram. It's a lot of, uh,
Speaker 1 00:28:42 It's it sounds like a demographic, like the way you're talking about demographics is how I talk about is how I think when we're, when I'm selling merch. Yeah. There's certain markets where it's gonna be an older crowd and like the true viners, like the true mb mb diehards who are like people that are, that are a little bit older. Yeah. They're gonna, they're gonna buy more. I can, I can sell it easier to them than I can like a college kid who's, who's living off ramen noodles and shit doesn't have the money to throw around and everything, you know?
Speaker 3 00:29:09 Absolutely. That's for sure. Well and also on Facebook, I feel like it's a lot of people. I got a lot of Snapchats, I'm going through them now of like guns and toy trucks and stuff like that. <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:29:19 The way to your heart
Speaker 3 00:29:20 Pizza. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:29:21 Oh, what's that one? Lemme see. It's like a meat supreme show that the Bja. That's a pretty good, is that a meat lovers or that mushrooms sausage. It
Speaker 3 00:29:26 Looks like a Deno pepperoni mushroom. Definitely in
Speaker 1 00:29:29 Insano.
Speaker 3 00:29:30 Yeah. You can tell about the CREs.
Speaker 1 00:29:32 Yeah. So we know you're a Domino's girl. What's your favorite, like you're in Kroger and you just want to have something for when you're chilling. Ugh,
Speaker 3 00:29:39 <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:29:40 Chill out the Borow. Did you see that? Did you see that one? Ask me about my wiener.
Speaker 2 00:29:45 Looks like a bridal bachelorette party.
Speaker 3 00:29:47 $5 for <laugh> screenshot
Speaker 2 00:29:51 That <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:29:52 That's going on the Instagram story.
Speaker 3 00:29:54 Oh it definitely is. De definitely
Speaker 2 00:29:56 They sent that like three weeks ago. Probably. It
Speaker 3 00:29:59 Was <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:30:01 They're like, what the hell? They just get inside of this. Um, they forgot what they sent.
Speaker 3 00:30:06 No, it's so funny. Uh, what were we talking about? Oh, what's my favorite kind of pizza
Speaker 1 00:30:12 Aside from Domino's? Like we're talking about regular. You gotta cook it at home. Chonos Tony's
Speaker 3 00:30:18 The problem is California
Speaker 1 00:30:19 Pizza Kitchen.
Speaker 3 00:30:20 The problem is I don't know them by brand and I wish I did. I just know when I walk into the store and it's at Publix, I think it's at Kroger, it's definitely a Walmart. There's a brand and I know exactly what it looks like and I just go to it. I look for it, I go to it. I'm more what's
Speaker 2 00:30:37 What's the box
Speaker 1 00:30:37 Like? What's the box like? And if you don't mind me asking, how much is it? Cause I'm a, I'm a guy who buys a lot of frozen pizzas.
Speaker 3 00:30:42 I dunno how much it is it, is
Speaker 1 00:30:43 It red Barren?
Speaker 3 00:30:44 Nope. It's so, it's not red anything. It doesn't have a red or a black box. It's a, is it
Speaker 2 00:30:48 A California pizza kitchen?
Speaker 3 00:30:50 I don't know. I have no, is it a
Speaker 2 00:30:51 White box?
Speaker 3 00:30:52 No, it's green. It's got grass on it. It, I think it's says like you
Speaker 1 00:30:55 Eating the damn cauliflower pizzas.
Speaker 3 00:30:57 No, no, no,
Speaker 1 00:30:57 No, no. I was gonna say you're such a <laugh>. But I was gonna say fraud. You are a pizza chick and you're eating the damn cauliflower shit.
Speaker 3 00:31:04 I get cauliflower pizza from Scoreboard. It's so delicious. It's so good. Have we? It's not good though. I've
Speaker 1 00:31:10 It before. Have we eaten at Scoreboard?
Speaker 2 00:31:13 It's so
Speaker 1 00:31:14 Good. Were we there back? We watched the bowl game there. I think we watched the national
Speaker 2 00:31:18 Yeah, we watched the national championship.
Speaker 1 00:31:20 The Clemson, Alabama.
Speaker 2 00:31:21 Remember we were at Scoreboard
Speaker 1 00:31:22 And as we went to that shitty bar after
Speaker 2 00:31:24 Jacob, Jacob the redneck, our internet guy who has went missing was at uh,
Speaker 1 00:31:30 Oh, we left him. What,
Speaker 2 00:31:31 What's the other bar over there?
Speaker 1 00:31:33 What's, what's the bar behind that?
Speaker 3 00:31:34 That music city or Palace
Speaker 1 00:31:35 Music? Palace City
Speaker 2 00:31:36 Music City. Yeah, he was over there. He was
Speaker 1 00:31:39 Loving it. He was the youngest guy by about 55 years and
Speaker 3 00:31:42 He
Speaker 1 00:31:42 Was loving his life. He was like
Speaker 2 00:31:44 Just 20
Speaker 3 00:31:44 One's my favorite. No, that's why I go up there because that's it. That's it. And like, I don't feel now that this is coming from a feminine perspective, but like I don't feel as uncomfortable when I go to a bar and there's a bunch of like 78 year old men looking at me as opposed to going to like a bar where there's more people my age. Like I'll sit and have a conversation with grandpa over here all day long. And that's not an insult. Like they usually ask me just to call him Grandpa cuz they don't want or hang
Speaker 1 00:32:12 Call, call me Papapa.
Speaker 3 00:32:14 <laugh>. Well you know, daddy's just not appropriate at that point. So
Speaker 1 00:32:18 You're definitely too young.
Speaker 3 00:32:20 Man. I really wanna find a good snap cuz usually they're just, they all disappear at some point.
Speaker 1 00:32:25 You've been in Nashville for how long now? Is it five years?
Speaker 3 00:32:29 Uh,
Speaker 2 00:32:30 Six
Speaker 3 00:32:30 In August, 2014 by the way. My pizza from my frozen pizza. Anything other than like Dolce Vita here in Nashville is just plain cheese, rising crust. Like thick crust, that's
Speaker 2 00:32:41 All. What about from uh, dominoes? What do you get?
Speaker 3 00:32:45 Cheese. And sometimes I'll do barbecue chicken pizza. But like, I gotta be super, super confident in the dominoes. So some of 'em, they come up a little extra cheesy and I don't like it.
Speaker 1 00:32:54 And you and you get Domino's from all different cause you're on the road all the time. Where's not, not to hate on dominoes because we, I love dominoes too. I'm a rewards member. I've claimed many of free pizzas on the Domino's reward. See I'm
Speaker 2 00:33:06 Not a rewards member yet. Yeah. But I ordered it all the time. I
Speaker 1 00:33:08 I you got
Speaker 3 00:33:09 You're so missing out. You're missing
Speaker 2 00:33:11 The reason why I had to leave the room by the way.
Speaker 3 00:33:14 Oh we got Dominos.
Speaker 2 00:33:17 Me? Yeah but I ordered pepperoni cause I thought that was your favorite. My bad.
Speaker 3 00:33:20 It's okay. I'll eat it. Cool.
Speaker 1 00:33:21 She'll fucking start
Speaker 2 00:33:22 Up. There's a pepperoni and a Hammond sauces cuz that's my favorite salmon
Speaker 1 00:33:25 Sauces. I
Speaker 3 00:33:26 Got you. Like no they uh, it's cool And there's nothing uh, there's nothing wrong with pepperoni personally. I just peel 'em off and it's just not the same taste to me. But I just like, honestly there's some It
Speaker 2 00:33:38 Is extra cheesy by the way.
Speaker 3 00:33:39 Well there's some and I don't wanna go too deep into it, but there's some things from my childhood where I just ended up eating pizza a lot as a kid. Yeah. And it really, like people say some people get overweight when they become depressed because they eat so much because eating is comforting for whatever's going on. Yeah. And I was eating Domino's cheese pizzas and especially dude, I was eating Domino's cheese pizzas before they did the garlic cheese stuff. Crust? Yeah. Mm. Throwback to 2005 when they did the, the cheesy stuff. Crust
Speaker 1 00:34:11 Were pizza. Were you, were you a deep dish? Remember when it was deep dish instead of pan? No, then they switched over to pan and it changed the whole fucking thing.
Speaker 3 00:34:17 I remember though my
Speaker 2 00:34:18 Also I ordered pan pepperoni.
Speaker 3 00:34:20 I do remember my sister getting a pan as opposed to a deep dish and she about lost it. And also I remember one time them giving me a pan and instead of a regular and I lost it. But I also remember when they introduced the garlic, I was in fifth, fifth grade. I fucked this up.
Speaker 2 00:34:34 <laugh>. Well I was like, I thought for sure your pan pepperoni <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:34:40 Do not look at her Instagram or Facebook or Snapchat.
Speaker 2 00:34:44 Fuck man. My bad Carly. It's okay.
Speaker 3 00:34:46 I'm still gonna eat it. I'll take it out. I'm gonna eat it too. Or you guys eat it. I'll just have a couple snack.
Speaker 2 00:34:51 I got the uh, I got the garlic Parmesan bites also. So I do
Speaker 3 00:34:54 Like those.
Speaker 2 00:34:55 Yeah, those were literally cocaine.
Speaker 3 00:34:57 Oh that and cheesy bread.
Speaker 1 00:34:58 What, what's been your most disappointing dominoes? Like where if you can pinpoint not
Speaker 3 00:35:02 To that's where your question was going. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:35:03 Not to, not to draw hate on the brand cuz we love us some dominoes. But where was the worst one?
Speaker 3 00:35:09 And honestly here in Nashville, like, and it's so the one I live right downtown and the one that I get is so inconsistent. Like it sometimes it'll be like the box was
Speaker 2 00:35:19 Sitting the one on fourth or second.
Speaker 3 00:35:21 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:22 Yeah. That one is so inconsistent
Speaker 3 00:35:24 Sometimes dude, it's the best. And that's why I just switched to going over to, I just get small pizzas and it's like one extra dollar difference. But also I'm not eating as many calories, but they're more consistent with the small, with the mediums and the largest. Sometimes they'll like, they'll let the box sit crooked. So the cheese all falls to one side. And I'm not like a cheesy Oh, cheese it up. Whatever they ask you on the website. That's just not me. Did
Speaker 2 00:35:47 Did that too. So here we go. We're three for three. I've struck out
Speaker 1 00:35:52 The Carly Rogers special and pepperoni. Extra extra extra cheese pizza. Boudro, you're fired. Oh man. You're fired. Boudro. You're fired.
Speaker 3 00:36:01 Oh, I couldn't breathe there for a second. That's
Speaker 1 00:36:03 Let me handle guest hospitality from here on out. The gesture was good. Yeah, he meant well. He meant well. I meant well fucking
Speaker 3 00:36:09 P But here's the thing though is it's so pizza. I'm still eating it. Like I'm not ungrateful. Dude.
Speaker 1 00:36:14 Dude, you what? My, our latest Domino's hack, we were watching NASCAR with a good buddy. Um, Dawson Edwards the other
Speaker 3 00:36:19 Day. Oh, big old Dawson Edwards fan.
Speaker 1 00:36:21 He was wild. Um, he's a good dude. We love him. Um, it was a
Speaker 2 00:36:24 Pretty chill night though.
Speaker 1 00:36:25 Yeah. Was it was a rather chill NASCAR race. But we were there on Saturday and I decided to put in the Domino's thing. Why the hell not? Yeah. And I put it in, I decided so I'm a big cheesy bread guy. Oh. I'm
Speaker 3 00:36:36 A big cheese. Cheese. You can't mess with my cheesy bread. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:36:39 So what we did, we got, we got the bacon jalapeno one. We took the jalapeno out. So it was just bacon and cheese. Yeah, it was ridonculous. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:36:46 There you go. You know you can make that at home too. Yeah. I'm a big, just plain.
Speaker 2 00:36:49 Matt doesn't know how to cook though.
Speaker 1 00:36:50 Hey, I'm getting there. I've been making sandwiches bro. That's like halfway there.
Speaker 2 00:36:54 Congratulations. You can do what a five year old
Speaker 3 00:36:56 Can. Yo. Why is it though? Every time I come over here and hang out like, and do an interview like this, I have the worst allergies in the world and my nose is all stopped up again. There's
Speaker 1 00:37:05 No, there's no cats here.
Speaker 3 00:37:06 I know. I just, there there's
Speaker 2 00:37:08 No animals ever lived in this house.
Speaker 1 00:37:09 There's
Speaker 3 00:37:09 No animals ever lived here. This seasonal. No, I'm, I don't hate cats cause I'm allergic to 'em. I hate cats cuz I could kick 'em across the GD Street and not feel bad about it. I hate cats so much.
Speaker 1 00:37:19 What was your first bad experience with cats? Cause we didn't talk about this last time because it was kinda like a, like it was, it was the five pound, eight ounce gorilla in the room because I mean, they were, they were probably closer to 15 pounds. They were some fat cats.
Speaker 2 00:37:30 Nick, we loved your cats. They were all
Speaker 1 00:37:32 And
Speaker 2 00:37:32 She just cats I've ever met.
Speaker 1 00:37:33 Nick. Nick. We had, we had good times with 'em. But when, when did you start saying like, yo fuck cats?
Speaker 3 00:37:38 Uh, now let me also clear the air here. We're not gonna do the whole Netflix documentary thing. No. And I would No, absolutely never in my entire life dream of purposefully kicking any sort of animal. Whether it's a snake, a, a turtle, a cat, a spider, whatever it is. I, I catch spiders and put 'em outside. So I'm not a killer. I'm not an abuser, but when I was four years old, my parents found this stray cat running around and they thought it'd be sweet to get it. And we had a dog. So I don't know why they wanted a cat. My parents don't like cats. They have cat dog. My dad's allergic to cats actually. So I don't know what the thought process, I never asked them why they got this cat, but they took it in and the shelter wouldn't take it. I think that was what they were doing, was trying to bring it to the shelter.
Speaker 3 00:38:23 Shelter wouldn't take it. Shout out to Second Chance Animal Shelter up in Shaftsbury, Vermont. And um, we had to keep it, well the thing I would wear this like teletubby tutu like nightgown and it would come down and it, it had like frills on it, whatever. And the thing would sit there and play at it and it would scratch the back of my legs, front of my legs. And then it got so used to attacking me I think all the time that I was small enough where I could jump off the couch and just land on top of me
Speaker 2 00:38:47 Off the top. Turnbuckle off
Speaker 3 00:38:49 The top rope dude thing would jump off the,
Speaker 1 00:38:52 What, what was the cat's name?
Speaker 3 00:38:54 Okay, so you
Speaker 1 00:38:55 Gotta you gotta remember his or her name.
Speaker 3 00:38:56 I think my parents called it Greta, but I called it Star.
Speaker 2 00:39:01 Did they Greta it?
Speaker 3 00:39:02 <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:39:03 What'd you call,
Speaker 3 00:39:04 What'd you call it? I called it Star cuz I hated the name Greta. I thought it was so ugly and it made me think of Hansel and Gretel.
Speaker 1 00:39:11 What kind of cat like was it, was it like what what kinda cat was it? What
Speaker 3 00:39:15 It look like? I don't know. The species or the <laugh>? The race. The kind, I don't know the, what's the, to
Speaker 2 00:39:21 Me there's two cat the breed or three, there's three cats. There is a cat, a Garfield and an Egyptian cat. That's it.
Speaker 1 00:39:29 Yeah. It had fur. Yeah it had fur right?
Speaker 3 00:39:31 It did have fur. Okay. So it was like black with stripes. It kind of looked like Willy except it was uh, a cat <laugh> like short hair. It wasn't long hair. It was probably only like two or three pounds. Uh, skinny, narrow, black and gray stripes. So whatever that kind of cat is, that's what we had. And it would, it would jump off the top of the, the couch and l and it would sneak attack me. Like it would wait for me to come into a room. I'd walk through the doorway and in my new music video teaser teaser, you'll see the doorway that I'm talking about. But it would come through the doorway or it would wait for me to come through the doorway and it would pounce and it would hide and then pounce on the top of my head. I remember one time specifically, I was sitting on the floor and my sister was braiding my hair cuz she used to do like all sorts of cool corn rope braids and stuff. And uh, the cat just came up from behind her, jumped off the top rope and came over like superman and landed on top of my head. And it just was like the most terrifying anxiety ridden experience as a four year old having to look over my shoulder for a fucking cat that like didn't like me and it didn't do it to anybody else. It would pur it would be so sweet to everybody else. And then I'd walk in a room and it would just jump on me.
Speaker 1 00:40:38 It's like a childhood cartoon. It's like something I'd see on, on uh, cartoon Network or Disney Channel
Speaker 2 00:40:44 Or shit like cur the calorie dog. But yeah, it is like your courage and the like demons and ghost and whatever A cat were the
Speaker 3 00:40:51 Cat. Yeah. It was just a four year old girl getting attacked by a cat all the time. <laugh>. It was like catnip. It was like my parents showered me in catnip. Um, but the other thing And was your shampoo <laugh>? Maybe, but I, uh, it just, it was crazy and it was the most anxiety ridden like year of my life. I don't know how long we had that cat. My parents finally got rid of it. And also if I ever get canceled for anything, it's probably gonna be me as a four year old on home video bhs getting like drop kicking this cat across the living room <laugh> because I What else do you do when you've got a cat with its claws sunken into you? You don't remove 'em. I don't believe in removing cat's claws personally. But, um, I think it's cruel. But you, we don't, we can't do that. My parents aren't paying for that so they brought it to the farm and I think they, for real we could call my mom and ask her, but I really think for real they brought it to like a farm to be an outdoor cat and just
Speaker 1 00:41:42 Like, just like Gretta run free.
Speaker 3 00:41:43 Well that, I mean it was probably an outdoor, outdoor cat to begin with. And Psa like most animals, when you find them outside, they're cool with being outside. Like you could stumble across a litter of kittens or puppies outside. They probably, like the mom probably is an outdoor animal. So like
Speaker 2 00:41:57 They are happy in at peace with one with nature
Speaker 3 00:42:00 Catching mice and drinking river water all day long. They're probably great with it. So like don't just pick up random animals off the side of the street and bring 'em to the shelter. Cuz they're probably not indoor.
Speaker 2 00:42:10 Probably have a, in Vermont they probably have a bear in the woods. That's their buddy. Yeah, definitely. You know, definitely. You ever
Speaker 1 00:42:15 Seen, you ever seen a bear in person like in the woods and stuff? Oh,
Speaker 3 00:42:18 I have never gotten to see one. Everybody in my family has seen one. Um, what about
Speaker 1 00:42:23 A moose?
Speaker 3 00:42:24 I have seen the backside of a moose. I saw it running through the thicket running it turned a corner or turned on a dime or whatever and ran back in. But my dad actually hit a moose head on, dude. Yeah. That's going 70 miles an hour. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:42:37 That people, they're, that's like the number one like automotive related death like thing in, in the state of Maine, which isn't too far from
Speaker 3 00:42:44 Vermont. Yeah. That's where my dad hit it
Speaker 1 00:42:45 Is more people die from hitting moose than anything else. Like there's more of those than like drunk driving accidents in the state of Maine, which is pretty insane. Well
Speaker 3 00:42:53 They're about the same weight and size as a cow. So like my dad, they're
Speaker 1 00:42:57 Bigger. They're bigger than
Speaker 3 00:42:58 That. Well they're taller. Yeah. Yeah. But they're probably just about as heavy, especially if they've got antlers. But like my dad was driving to a work job in, in Maine back in a work job. A work site. Uh, cuz my dad runs his own business and this was back in and dude, big old shout out to my dad. I hope my parents listen to this because I don't think I've ever given him enough credit. But they started their own business from legitimately nothing. And this is a funny story if I may, but like my dad. Yeah, go for it. Dad was driving to Maine from Vermont, which is still like six or seven hours to the border. Um, and was driving up in rural Maine before cell phones were really a big thing. It was more of like pagers back then. And my dad hit a moose on the backside going 70 miles an hour and wasn't distracted driving whatever. I think it was foggy or just dark. So we didn't see it back. And it was his brother's truck or something like that, or his brand new truck that he got for work hit the backside of this moose. And he swears we talked about it a week ago when I was home. He swears he hit that thing and the truck stopped. He's like, it felt, I, I felt I hit a brick wall because he stopped.
Speaker 2 00:44:01 I have no doubt that I hit a deer in Alabama one time. Yeah. And literally my truck stood up. Yeah. Like it stopped. That's, and the battery, the back end came up and the back end came up and sat down sideways and that deer flew 10 yards and then skidded another 20 and rolled off in the ditch and there was nothing left of it.
Speaker 3 00:44:19 That's what, so my dad says that the, he hit it and it stopped on a dime. He says his saving grace was that he hit the, the ass of it and not the body of it. Cuz if he hit the body of it, it would've been worn, it would came into him. Well, so the hood and everything underneath the hood still closed right up. Yeah. But it would, I guess it would've just been a broader impact or whatever. But yeah, he stopped on a dime. The moose flew, he said however long it took and then he pulled over on the side of the road and dropped his tailgate and just sat on it until somebody, and luckily it wasn't like bad season. Like it wasn't October. Yeah. You know what I mean? So he just sat on the tailgate cuz obviously at that point nothing's running and waited for somebody to pull up. And a trooper came up, a mainstay trooper came up and asked him if he needed a ride, bus station, whatever. And uh, also promised to send him the meet. Like he'd bring it to the, to whoever cuts up the meat and, and sends it off. And so they, when
Speaker 1 00:45:12 You know you're in the country,
Speaker 3 00:45:13 They got the moose meat. It's the bush, the bush. But, but this is how poor they were back then. And my mom loves telling, well she doesn't love telling the story. Cause I didn't know about it until just recently. But at that point they were so broke. My mom, he, my dad called her from a payphone and was like, Hey, this is just what just happened. I'm coming home. And my mom goes, what do you mean you're coming home? You have to go to work. And my dad goes, Lisa, I just hit a moose under. Yeah. But my dad goes, Lisa, I just hit a moose. Like I'm, I need to go to the hospital. And my mom goes, no, you need to go to work. Like we have bills like, we, we need to pay, like we, we gotta get this money. And my dad was like, you can shove it up your ass.
Speaker 3 00:45:50 Like, I'm coming home. And I don't know if he went to work that day or not, but like, you know, he's also got a friend that flipped a dump truck one time. And this is just the kind of people that me and my family and the, the people that we keep around us are like, this guy flipped a dump truck. My dad's first job, the guy, uh, rolled a dump truck. He was like 70 or something. He was up there in age and, uh, radio's in. And he goes, Hey, so and so, I need you to come, come out here. I rolled my dump truck. So his other coworker pulls up in a dump truck and you know, parks it, whatever, and gets him out and he crawls out and he's bleeding and stuff and goes, the guy that owned the dump trucks was like, all right man, uh, I'm taking yours. I gotta go get this job done. You figure out how to flip this thing back over. I can't believe I keep lifting my right arm. Oh my God. It's so painful. Yeah. But yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1 00:46:36 Yeah, that's all, that's some, that's pretty, that's pretty wild. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:46:38 So we, we just, you know, we like to work and that's a tribute I guess to why I work as hard as I do. Yeah. And I'm not trying to toot my own no horn over here, over here, but like, it just makes sense. Like I just, I I don't stop.
Speaker 1 00:46:49 Yeah, no, you don't stop and I
Speaker 3 00:46:51 Don't delegate <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:46:51 And Yeah. And like you were talking about with the independent model, um, you're somebody, I mean, I feel like there's a lot more indies. People are discovering there's a lot more independence out there than there are label people. Oh yeah. Like there's just in general, and I think that's, it's a pretty simple concept when you think about it. But before streaming and everything, like it was a lot tougher. And you're coming up in an era right now where if you hustle and you can utilize social media and, and build the streaming base, you don't, you don't need to sign and, and give up any of your, your masters, any of that stuff. You can keep it all.
Speaker 3 00:47:24 Yeah. I mean if you wanna get me down this rabbit hole, we'll get it started, but like Yeah, it's, uh, let's
Speaker 2 00:47:29 Get it, let's
Speaker 1 00:47:29 Do it. Boudreau's in, we got, we got, I'm there. Boudreau, Boudreaux fucked up with a pep. We got a pepperoni pizza we gotta eat through. So we gotta get you all like, kind of riled up and hungry to power through extra cheese, pepperoni, and deep dish. Your three least favorite things
Speaker 2 00:47:41 Dish is pan. There's a difference. The same shit. No, it's not.
Speaker 3 00:47:44 I will say though, like an inch difference. Definitely. As from last time. Now I usually don't eat until, I don't know what time it is. Eight o'clock at night anyway, so like, I'm not too worried about, you know, basically I just usually don't eat until later on at night anyway because I same eat so much at night and I stay up all night. And so, and I sleep all day. So I get up at 10 and I don't eat till eight. I'm intermittent fasting is what they call it. But I definitely didn't eat yet today because I knew knowing you guys you'd have a pizza ready for me. So yeah. I am excited to eat this, whatever it is, <laugh>. But
Speaker 2 00:48:17 There's also a pan extra cheese, Hammond sausage if you want that instead of pepperoni.
Speaker 3 00:48:25 No, I'll take the pepperoni.
Speaker 1 00:48:26 That just sounds like a cluster fuck dude.
Speaker 2 00:48:28 I mean that's just my
Speaker 3 00:48:29 Favorite so much. Me in my mouth. Uh,
Speaker 2 00:48:33 Austen is pulling up now. Austen, let's go Austin.
Speaker 3 00:48:36 You invite him Amanda, to give him a shout out real quick.
Speaker 2 00:48:38 Contact us. Contact
Speaker 3 00:48:39 Us. No, but he can be in the, he can be in the doorway. Oh, did he just drop it at the front door? Totally. Just
Speaker 1 00:48:45 Peel the fuck out. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:48:46 Yeah. Guess this. The contactless delivery.
Speaker 3 00:48:48 Oh my contactless drivers still come up and say what's up and hand it to me. They don't.
Speaker 2 00:48:52 Lemme go. Do
Speaker 1 00:48:53 You, do you, have you gotten to the point with, and we're gonna, we're gonna get down this music rabbit hole for all you guys and girls listening at home here. We, we go cause I want to get it going a little bit. Um, have you gotten to know some of your Domino's delivery drivers? Cuz you order it so much because when I was in college, there was a guy named <inaudible> that worked at the Trenton, Domino's and I knew him and I had his personal number and he came in and partied with us one night.
Speaker 3 00:49:13 Oh man. You know, I used to have Hi
Speaker 1 00:49:15 Austin guys. Oh, it's Austin. We're
Speaker 3 00:49:18 Alive on a podcast. Sorry. Your first name is out there
Speaker 1 00:49:22 <laugh>. Oh, that's poor bastard.
Speaker 3 00:49:23 Shout out to Austin at the Domino's in Antioch. We love ya.
Speaker 1 00:49:27 Yeah dude,
Speaker 3 00:49:28 He's probably shouldn't have said where he worked and you know, but that's fine.
Speaker 1 00:49:32 It's okay.
Speaker 3 00:49:33 It'll
Speaker 1 00:49:33 Be cool. The, the big brother's watching anyway. Oh, we, we can get young conspiracy theories too. Oh, I don't know. I don't know what's crazy. You're talking about the music industry or conspiracy theories?
Speaker 3 00:49:42 Yeah, honestly, I mean the music industry is a conspiracy theory, but <laugh> if we wanna talk about it. But, um,
Speaker 1 00:49:49 What's, so for you, what's, what's that approach and stuff as, as an independent artist and you're
Speaker 3 00:49:53 Oh wait, no, the Domino's thing, I have never had a Domino's driver. I felt comfortable enough inviting in.
Speaker 1 00:49:59 Okay. I guess it's different cuz you're a girl.
Speaker 3 00:50:01 Uh, well for sure. And you know, there have been a time or two drunkenly where I've definitely opened the door and I probably shouldn't have, you know, long hoodie, no pants, whatever. So like there's probably plenty that were like, oh yeah, come in. But no, they would, they didn't. Um, oh I thought he was talking to us and
Speaker 2 00:50:20 Uh,
Speaker 1 00:50:20 <inaudible> doing that, doing that um, doing that guerrilla warfare style promo out there. He's,
Speaker 3 00:50:25 Yeah, give him my Instagram <laugh>. Give
Speaker 1 00:50:27 Him my Instagram. Give he
Speaker 3 00:50:29 Handsome. No, I'm just kidding,
Speaker 2 00:50:30 Theo. Oh you
Speaker 1 00:50:31 Just,
Speaker 2 00:50:31 No, no, nope. No we did not drop anything. Yeah, you
Speaker 1 00:50:34 Did the Parmesan
Speaker 2 00:50:35 Good. You did not drop out of the box. They're still in the box. Sorry
Speaker 1 00:50:38 Me all shaken up.
Speaker 2 00:50:39 But we got a new follower in the round. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:50:41 Love that.
Speaker 2 00:50:41 He said he's gonna listen. So here we go. He's doing it.
Speaker 3 00:50:45 I, uh, did have back home, I do know some of the dr the delivery drivers that work there now. And when I was in high school I knew some people that I'd be like, yo, if you wanna hang out for a minute, I won't tell Mr. Kelly that you're late. Whatever. Or I had one shout out to Justin Olansky when he worked there that he uh, he would do the thing where somebody would prank hall and order like 10 pizzas at somebody else's house and they wouldn't accept him. They'd be like, yo, we just had 10 pizzas made up that were all wrong. Or, or pranks. And how many do you want? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:51:15 I had a buddy that worked at a Domino's or worked at a pizzeria or something and what he did was he would have his friends order, put in like a five or six pie order and then just never come to pick it up cuz whatever gets left, the employees take home. Yeah. And then my buddy, he ordered towards the end of his shift, nobody would come pick it up or whatever and then he would just take it to the party. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:51:35 And they get for free. Well and that's what somebody I guess did one night at the Domino's back home cuz I got a phone call at like 11:00 PM and they close at 10, which was the worst.
Speaker 1 00:51:46 Yep. Mine in college stayed open till 3:00 AM every night. Well
Speaker 3 00:51:49 And Nashville does too typically. And the one over by Belmont definitely does. I used to walk down to Domino's, pick up my pizza cuz it was $5 cheaper cuz I was a bro gas bitch bitch. And um, but I would walk down cuz it was like a mile downhill pick up my pizza and even in like October November when it was cold and I would walk it back and eat it dry on the way back. I would eat the whole thing and then I would consider it my workout for the day. Cause I walked a mile and ate a pizza. I
Speaker 2 00:52:17 Remember hearing stories of this from certain people. Emily. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:52:20 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:52:20 Don't wanna say names, but certain
Speaker 3 00:52:22 People we know. I'm so sorry I just was jumping out the gate cause I was like, who could you possibly know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:52:27 Who could you know that I know.
Speaker 3 00:52:28 Yeah. <laugh>. But yeah, that was a true story. Um, and I gained a bunch of weight while doing it cause I just stopped working out. So, but uh, as far as music goes, you asked me a question about it.
Speaker 1 00:52:39 Yeah, we can, we can rewind Cause we're especially now at the Pizzas here. Hey, you know what, real quick Bo Yeah. Get get some of those Parmesan bread buds. You you can eat eat it on the mic. We don't give a shit. Okay. You're good. You do. You do. You would that your, your pepperoni sausage. We can do
Speaker 3 00:52:51 That. What's,
Speaker 1 00:52:51 That's Sam sausage. That
Speaker 3 00:52:53 Ss a S M D.
Speaker 1 00:52:55 You might, hey you
Speaker 3 00:52:56 Qp
Speaker 1 00:52:57 You might have some Snapchat followers That'll like that kind of thing. Dude,
Speaker 2 00:53:00 This is so cheesy.
Speaker 1 00:53:02 Oh my gosh. Poor Carly.
Speaker 3 00:53:04 It's gonna be totally fine. <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:53:06 Dude. Did they even cut it?
Speaker 3 00:53:08 Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:53:09 Barely.
Speaker 3 00:53:10 But no, I do have, I did make a little bit of money. Well you on Instagram and Snapchat selling feet photos.
Speaker 1 00:53:17 Did you actually Oh yeah. I didn't, I didn't know that was a real thing. I thought that was like a
Speaker 3 00:53:21 Show. Oh no, for real. Like when we posted that quarantine joke thing of like
Speaker 1 00:53:26 She's falling over his fucking lap. <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:53:29 There's sausage <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:53:33 No. When we posted that jokey, like me and Carly both posted like, here's an application or whatever, like broke blah blah blah. Well people actually messaged me and they were like, how much? And I was like, 20 bucks not thinking anything of it. And they Venmo it to me. That's true. So I just sent like an Instagram play only one time be like, it's like a Snapchat. You can't replay it or anything. So it just goes away and made a and they were cool with it. Like there was at one point, and even my boyfriend knows this, like there was at one point we were visiting my boyfriend's grandmother's and I woke up, we're staying at his grandmother's too. I woke up to a $20 Venmo from this person and I was like, babe, do you care? He was like, nah, go ahead. Make your money. That's a
Speaker 1 00:54:15 Picture of your foot. Yeah. Well you, you like angle it at a certain way. Like what, what do you do? No,
Speaker 3 00:54:21 Definitely
Speaker 2 00:54:21 Not. I used to have a buddy.
Speaker 1 00:54:23 No, I, I want a slice of that cheesy ass pepperoni
Speaker 2 00:54:26 Shit. I used to have a buddy in a band that I was in that cheesy ass
Speaker 1 00:54:29 In college. That cheesy head ass shit.
Speaker 2 00:54:31 Maybe in college. Yeah. And this dude would literally like his first uh, uh,
Speaker 1 00:54:38 What that one,
Speaker 2 00:54:39 His first like thing that he would notice about a girl is her feet.
Speaker 3 00:54:43 Her feet. Well I will say I do notice people's hands. I, it doesn't turn me on or turn me off any, but I do 120% notice people's hands and it will turn me off from talking to somebody. Like I have Are
Speaker 1 00:54:56 You talking about like fingernails? Like dirt under the fingernails? No, about like in size.
Speaker 3 00:55:00 Oh please give me all the grease stained oil. Stained whatever. Dirt stain. If they're too hands, if they're, uh, now this only goes for men cuz women would like if women, men have some, some nasty janky hands. Of course. But like guys, if they can't, and I can't even do it with my hand. This is as straight as my fingers go. I mess my hands up from boxing and playing piano. I can't like straighten my fingers this hand. I kind of can. But if a guy can take his fingers and just like talk like this, that really actually hurts me.
Speaker 1 00:55:31 Yeah. See my mine, it like hurts. Oh
Speaker 2 00:55:32 You mean like this Carly <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:55:34 But
Speaker 1 00:55:35 Like food drove up does
Speaker 3 00:55:36 It like all the time? Like if you just talk like that. Oh yeah, no. Or if your hands were, I have little tiny hands. If you're a guy that's bigger than me and your hands are smaller than me, I will notice and I can tell and I will consciously say to myself, I wanna get out of this conversation now. That's just my physical knee jerk reaction. I as a human being with functional consciousness can say that's preposterous. You shouldn't think of people like that and judge them by their hands. All
Speaker 1 00:56:01 Hands matter.
Speaker 3 00:56:02 But 120% of the time, the first thing I notice before I notice somebody's teeth is their hands and the way that they interact with their hands. And I don't know why. It's just a thing. I notice if somebody's got vascular hands versus But you don't talk with your No,
Speaker 2 00:56:17 No, no. Also I'm double going.
Speaker 1 00:56:19 See I'll, I'll sometimes I'll,
Speaker 3 00:56:21 I can't do that.
Speaker 2 00:56:21 Wait, I can, I can do like the whole hand like that.
Speaker 3 00:56:24 Yeah I can. Yeah. Look at this one.
Speaker 2 00:56:27 Hold on. Yeah. You know you just
Speaker 3 00:56:29 Like
Speaker 2 00:56:29 Pops. Yeah you can pop a finger.
Speaker 3 00:56:31 I'm like doing the weird stuff over here with this one. But also I can do this where I can.
Speaker 1 00:56:37 Whoa. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3 00:56:39 That's a lot of fun. That's
Speaker 1 00:56:40 Pretty dope. <laugh>. You can, you can.
Speaker 2 00:56:42 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:56:42 That's, see what do you think of this cheesy boro's cheesy special?
Speaker 3 00:56:46 Um, also, do you guys have ranch per chance? If not
Speaker 1 00:56:49 Ranch, you're a damn Southerner but you were from Vermont girl, what the hell you doing? Putting salad, dressing on.
Speaker 2 00:56:54 I honestly have no idea. I don't eat ranch at all ever. Which is
Speaker 1 00:56:57 Crazy. You don't eat ranch?
Speaker 2 00:57:00 I don't eat anything that you can put on bread, but butter barbecue sauce.
Speaker 3 00:57:05 I What about peanut butter and fluff?
Speaker 2 00:57:07 Nope. What? I've never liked a peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 3 00:57:10 No, I didn't say peanut butter jelly. I said peanut butter bluff my friend.
Speaker 1 00:57:13 That's my marshmallow.
Speaker 2 00:57:14 Yeah. I've never liked it dude. You try. The only time I ever liked peanut butter is in Reese's.
Speaker 3 00:57:19 Oh, I do understand that. I don't like racists. That's all like don't
Speaker 1 00:57:22 Really cheese taco right here. Yeah. <laugh>. We can see if we can complete this without fucking it up over me.
Speaker 3 00:57:27 I do like, uh, I do like racist cups. Um, but, so
Speaker 2 00:57:31 That's the only time I like peanut butter period in any other form. I love it.
Speaker 3 00:57:35 But yeah, with music, I don't know what you're asking
Speaker 1 00:57:38 <laugh>. I kinda don't remember it either. There's so much going on with the pizza
Speaker 2 00:57:41 Labels independent.
Speaker 1 00:57:43 Yeah. What's your approach like with the grind in working as an independent artist?
Speaker 3 00:57:49 Cause you did, cause you, I'm gonna have to ask you to be more specific. I'm so sorry. I don't like what's my approach as an independent artist against the industry or
Speaker 1 00:57:58 Well like working cuz you were talking about how, how like your family has like this work ethic and how you like how you go into this next kind of gear. Yeah. And it's almost essential to have that extra gear if you're gonna succeed independently.
Speaker 3 00:58:10 Well like, I'll put it in perspective. I spent two hours today counting merch. Yeah. Two hours. And that's not even, oh, I know Matt does that every, every weekend probably. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:58:21 But that's like 10 shirts for him though.
Speaker 3 00:58:23 Well, and I counted through, I can tell you exactly how many I counted through. I probably counted through at least I had like 30 X xls alone. So multiply that by
Speaker 2 00:58:36 Okay. Three xl.
Speaker 3 00:58:37 I do, I got white, black and red
Speaker 1 00:58:39 Boudro size.
Speaker 2 00:58:40 I might take a black from
Speaker 3 00:58:41 You, but I do, I mean I probably counted over like 200 shirts today and that was just two hours of my time. Like counting through, making sure I counted them all right. Making sure that each one didn't have like, I got an order of shirts and one of the shirts had like orange powder, like wood sawdust powder on it or something on a white shirt. And I had to go through and look at that. So stuff like that or dirt or whatever from other shows or dog hair, very possible. Um mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Carly hair. Very, very possible. Cuz I sell all my stuff. But that's just one perspective or that's just one avenue. And then how long it takes to go in and not only just like save up the money to be able to go in and record and stuff, but to go in and record my own music with people that I hire and pay out of pocket. And then, you know,
Speaker 1 00:59:27 People that I think are real quick. Sidebar, Alejandro, you've got a really good thing going and there's a nice little crew of you guys that are all coming up together. Yeah. Working at that studio. They're
Speaker 3 00:59:39 Lying collective.
Speaker 1 00:59:40 What's it been like working with Alejandro and speak about some of the other folks that do the, get their work done over there
Speaker 3 00:59:45 Third line collective, um, <laugh>. Yeah. So Alejandro's the, the greatest, he not only has produced my last five songs that you heard Matt say earlier, he's producing my new music video. He's done photography for me. He plays bass guitar. Um, he travels and tours with an artist named Riley Green, who's incredible. And he just does so much. He's got his own clothing line. So again, like talking about the multiple avenues of income, like there's multiple ways to make money and so, and you don't have to just make money off of your mechanical royalties on distribution, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 2 01:00:20 And if you're an independent artist, you have to have so many different venues because one can shut down at any moment.
Speaker 3 01:00:28 Oh yeah. Like I'm not touring right now, so I have to figure out how to build a website. Excuse me. I gotta burp. Got it. Um, <laugh>, I do that on my live feeds too. Tune into my lives to catch me burping. Um, but yeah, so like I'm not touring, so like touring income isn't coming in right now, so I gotta figure out how to build a website to put my merchandise on for people that would normally be at be at shows or who Norm normally can't be at shows and by merchandise. And also I'm putting out 5, 6, 7, 8 songs this year to make up streaming royalties on stuff that like, I won't be able to, I won't be able to put these songs out again. And the way that we had lined it up with the tour dates was gonna be perfect and it was gonna get all that extra promotion basically from the tour dates from the people that had never heard of me yet or had just kind of heard me in the background of a song. And so it's just been really cool. So with the income thing, I had to rabbit hole down that one just real quick because yeah, you definitely have to have multiple revenues of income and every successful person has at least five revenues of income and streams of income. Have have
Speaker 1 01:01:34 You ever had a job outside of music in Nashville?
Speaker 3 01:01:37 Not, excuse me, in Nashville. I was a bartender once at a hookah lounge and they only hired me. Oh. Ooh. It was great. Honestly. Which one? The one that we all used to go in check out. It's, I think it's great. So can I say the name of it? Yeah, yeah, go for it. Yeah. Brugada.
Speaker 1 01:01:54 I've never see, I haven't done hookah.
Speaker 2 01:01:56 You you haven't been there.
Speaker 1 01:01:58 I haven't done hookah since like my freshman year of college.
Speaker 3 01:02:00 That was one of, there's three things that I've experienced addiction with now. I have put tobacco in my mouth, I have smoked cigarettes, I have done other things. I have drank alcohol. I don't have a problem with substances. Yeah. But there are three things that I have an addiction about or addiction to. That's how much I know about addiction. Right.
Speaker 2 01:02:24 Domino's Pizza.
Speaker 3 01:02:26 Domino's Pizza is definitely one. <laugh>. The other one part of it was hookah. And that's why I had to quit. Like, I had to tell management like, I am just doing this too much. I cannot come in here without smoking it. I can't sing like that basically.
Speaker 1 01:02:39 Yeah. That's, that's gotta watch. You gotta watch that voice.
Speaker 3 01:02:41 Oh yeah. Well and even just being in there, it was just awful
Speaker 1 01:02:44 Secondhand. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:02:46 Well and one hookah, one hookah puff is like 10 cigarettes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:02:49 So it's heavy.
Speaker 3 01:02:51 And I was hitting those things. I was getting, I was getting my own hookah every night and just like smoking the whole thing.
Speaker 1 01:02:56 Just going through Kohl's.
Speaker 3 01:02:58 Oh yeah, for sure. And it was awesome too because they would put me on the day shift as like a bartender and a server and stuff when all of like the Nashville tourists would come in. But then when the locals came into the club, they would take me off and I would just get to sit and smoke in the club. So
Speaker 2 01:03:10 Regatta is over there like so Third and Wild Boer. That's
Speaker 1 01:03:15 Good. Yeah. Oh, it's right next to Wild Beaver.
Speaker 2 01:03:17 So it's like down by second where Wild Beaver's on third. It's down by second,
Speaker 1 01:03:21 But
Speaker 3 01:03:21 It's like a lounge club. Like people go in there during the day for food.
Speaker 1 01:03:25 I was gonna say, I see it, like I see people going in like club attire to that thing. Like I've seen,
Speaker 2 01:03:29 I can, I can tell you a story off mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About when we might have went in there. Okay. But it'll be off mic.
Speaker 1 01:03:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so how long did you do that?
Speaker 3 01:03:37 Uh, probably six or seven months. And I was making decent money for an 18 year old. But at that time too, I wasn't even really playing on Broadway yet. So, um,
Speaker 2 01:03:46 It was cool. Did you you have a fake at that time? I
Speaker 3 01:03:48 Did. Oh yeah. Even well the guy that hired me didn't know I, I wasn't 21 either. Yeah, same.
Speaker 2 01:03:53 They don't check there at all.
Speaker 3 01:03:55 Well, I mean maybe now, I don't know. That's not gonna anybody
Speaker 1 01:03:59 <laugh>. But but but anyway. So you're, you've been predominantly lucky where like you've had your job has been music related. Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:04:06 Absolutely.
Speaker 1 01:04:07 You've been able to grind and and hustle and stuff. And people forget too. You went to college here?
Speaker 3 01:04:11 Yeah, I went to Belmont, um, and graduated and, and finished four years. And I was, uh, originally, I don't know what sound that was, it just came outta my mouth. Apparently it's this extra cheese stuck to the top of my throat. <laugh>,
Speaker 1 01:04:23 Somebody paid 20 bucks on Snapchat for it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:04:26 Uh, um, 45 for a Burp video.
Speaker 3 01:04:29 <laugh>
Speaker 1 01:04:30 For pbcs.
Speaker 3 01:04:32 I can't do that. Um, no, I went to Belmont and all that. Um, but I just, you know, for independent artists listening, like it is very possible to make a living while traveling and playing acoustic music. Like if you can do a 45 minute set and take a 15 minute break, you can do that three times in one night and you can make what you need in a week easily. And that's what people don't understand is what,
Speaker 1 01:04:59 What was your first gig where you went out and started doing that? Because you be, you've, since I've known you, you've been a road warrior since I've known you and that's, that's going back to November of 2018. You've, you've just been gone and almost every weekend it's like, oh, where's Carly this weekend? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, when did that start? And how did you get that started? Because that's a big thing that a lot of my buddies ask is how do I get gigs and how do I, how do I start doing it? Because there are a lot of people that are out doing it like yourself, but like where,
Speaker 3 01:05:25 How to get that start. Here's where this is like, I'll tell, I'll say it on here so I don't have to tell anybody else. But I really hope that your friends and who asks you listen to this because this is it. Like this is and easy. I was tell
Speaker 1 01:05:36 Him to go listen to
Speaker 3 01:05:37 This dude. It just clip this part right here and put it on the Instagram page or whatever. Cause it's gonna take me like 10 seconds to explain it. But this is done all you have to do. Put a little marker on there. Did
Speaker 1 01:05:47 It
Speaker 3 01:05:48 Send out emails and make phone calls. Like, that's it. I literally, now it's been six. Well actually that's a lie. I started doing, like, I finally got my first acoustic gig out of town. I think it was 20 17, 20 16. No, I'm so sorry. I'm trying to go through the Rolodex here. I think it was 2017 was my first gig. So it was three years ago, like in like January. And I drove to Florida, uh, and played for a bar that my parents went into. But like the first ever road gig that I claim as like my first ever road gig was with Allie, Colleen Bardstown, Kentucky. Somebody else booked it for me. So that's why I say like, I claim this one because the other one was one I booked by myself as a booking agent. Yeah. Like, so, um, yeah, clip that part about the emails and the phone.
Speaker 3 01:06:41 Like just send emails. Like just I, and this is what I do. I Google Austin, Texas live music and I look on Google what live music venues come up and it'll come up with like a theater and an arena. And then once you get past the one theater and the one arena, you've got 72 dive bars. Yeah. And I just would go to their thing, hit contact, do the whole thing. It takes maybe a minute and a half a click, click, click subject name line, email, return email, hi. I wanna play music where like I had locals refer me to your page to play music. And I would lie so hard. I had locals refer me to your venue, how do I get playing here? And then they would email me back or they wouldn't, but you wanna know what, I probably sent out a thousand emails and I got three back. That's 0.3% of like a return on investment, whatever. But guess what? Those three weeks of payment or those three weeks of shows paid for three weeks worth or three months worth of rent. Yeah. So each show I played at that point was a pro, I think it was $500 for three hours set. The same thing I was doing on Broadway for $50. Yeah. For less time. And with breaks and with food and with accommodations. And I was making 500 a show
Speaker 1 01:07:58 And building the foundation for your bass.
Speaker 3 01:08:01 Oh yeah,
Speaker 1 01:08:01 Absolutely. You're you're building a bass while doing that. And then those gigs become recurring gigs four months later. Hey Carly, when can you come out and play?
Speaker 3 01:08:08 I'm pretty sure your umbrella just got stroked by lightning on your porch. Holy smokes. It didn't really, but it was pretty bright. Oh,
Speaker 1 01:08:14 We got, but this is the outer bands of, uh, Laura. Oh wow. Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:08:18 There it is. But no, my first show with Allie, Colleen, um, Mr. Don Swartz over at Southern Trace Songwriting. Big old shout out to him too.
Speaker 1 01:08:28 Nice
Speaker 3 01:08:29 Girl. Matt
Speaker 1 01:08:31 Damnit, Tyler
Speaker 3 01:08:32 Damnit Matt that was barking. Squirrels again. I was say barking spiders say frogs, but you know, frogs were, but anyway, uh, Allie Colle and I went and played this place up in Bardstown, Kentucky and, or Elizabethtown, pardon me. And it was, uh, this little makeshift warehouse into a club dining cabaret type thing with red and green and blue and purple lights. And we were 18, Allie might have been 19. And uh, I still had no idea about anything to do with Allie Coleen other than she and I lived in the same dorm. And we both liked to play music and um, and we both liked to sleep and eat a lot and work out. So that was all I knew really, that we were friends. And, um, we went up and played and it was a three hour, four hour acoustic set. Whatever people were buying us beers we're sitting there and they're listening like it's cabaret style.
Speaker 3 01:09:22 Like you got a table, you're eating dinner, whatever, drinking, whatever. And they're listening. And about an hour and a half in, we're three or four beers deep each underage. And uh, which this is one of my biggest regrets is putting somebody in this predicament. But the owner comes up and pulls me aside and goes, Hey, how old are you guys? I go 22. Why? He goes, no, you're not, because that's what my Id said, we are 22. And uh, he goes, no, you're not. I go, what do you mean? He goes, somebody just googled ally and found out how old she is. And I was like, okay, well I didn't know her age was not my fault. Like sorry guy, we're responsible. Like, we're not driving home, we're chilling. So if if it's that big of a deal, he's like, yeah, just finished the ones he got and just don't drink anymore. But, uh, yeah, somebody googled ally and we got in a bunch of trouble for I'd say a bunch of trouble we got yelled at. He was cool with us finishing our beers and, and closing 'em out. But, but yeah, we got caught drinking underage on a show. That was a fun time.
Speaker 1 01:10:20 <laugh>. And now you're, you're gigging. How many states have you been to?
Speaker 3 01:10:24 I don't even know. I could probably tell you
Speaker 1 01:10:27 Far. What's the farthest west you've played? You've done California,
Speaker 3 01:10:30 Minneapolis. I've not done California yet. I want to, um, Minneapolis is the farthest west I've played. Oh, I didn't chew that one enough. It went down really bad. This pizza hates me as much as I hate it. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Bojo. I'm totally kidding. Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:10:47 Bore isn't it in consistency. I'm supposed to sleep
Speaker 3 01:10:50 <laugh>. No, I'm eating it. Um, bene Vegas just to go. Um, and I did play at the Losers out there, but I wasn't booked to play out there, but I played at the Losers at the mgm. Um, but yeah, you haven't done any Texas states. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I've not done a single Texas state. And
Speaker 1 01:11:07 That surprises me because I think you would do very well in Texas and I'm sure your streaming numbers and following, you got some people in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 2 01:11:14 We got some people in Texas that listen to this if you're listening to this book her.
Speaker 3 01:11:18 Well, and the thing is, is my Twitter started popping off because of all these people in Texas. Yeah. Like they thought I was really, I followed like one or two guys from Texas and was responding to their tweets and they thought I was funny and started retweeting my stuff. And now I went from 500 followers on Twitter to 1300 and like two. They're loyal out there. Two months. It was awesome. Um, but yeah, so Texas, I haven't done a date, but out of those thousand emails I sent that first couple months or whatever, I probably emailed 500 Texas venues and none of 'em got back to me at all. Yeah. But also that was back in my like, excuse hadn't even come out yet.
Speaker 1 01:11:51 And and that was also when Nashville and Texas still was a little bit more rigid. There's a lot more crossover now.
Speaker 3 01:11:56 Cody was really breaking that. Yep.
Speaker 1 01:11:58 Yeah, you will, you see, you see guys like Kojo, guys like Randall, guys like Parker McCollum who are kind of breaking that. And then on the Nashville side you got, you got ax like, like Musk and Heim for example. Like different people that'll go out there and are starting to get adopted into the scenes and stuff. I think you would do really well in Texas. Oh yeah. Have you done Oklahoma with Ally at all?
Speaker 3 01:12:14 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I'm still looking at Oklahoma now. I've kind of slacked off. I should have been booking throughout all this, but you just don't know what's gonna happen. And we still technically have rescheduled dates for shows for Upchurch as
Speaker 1 01:12:27 Early as September. Right. Or
Speaker 3 01:12:28 October. Yeah. And I, I'm booked out every weekend on acoustic stuff now, so like, you know, if those upchurch dates still kick in, but I really don't think it's gonna happen. You just can't control Upchurch fans and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 01:12:40 Yeah. Yeah. Well what, what was, what was that like early on when you're starting to see all those dates get canceled? Like what was that like to, to get that news from Ryan and what were you guys kind of both thinking? Because I know you guys up, Ryan has his thing. Carly, you had, Carly has heard a thing, but like you guys in a, in a way though it's like, it's like a family environment where you learn a lot from him. He, he learns a lot from you. Like you've got, you went to school for the business side. He obviously has some business sense too. What was that like when all those announcements started coming out?
Speaker 3 01:13:11 Man, I mean we still have date after
Speaker 1 01:13:12 Date after date.
Speaker 3 01:13:13 It was one at a time and that was the, it was like, it was like pulling out an eyebrow hair one by one or nose hair one by one with tweezers. It was just absolutely miserable. And we had dates, I mean we had a date in June at Dominion Racetrack that was held until like three days before the show and they canceled it three days before and said CDC came in and of course but like Virginia of all places was gonna let us still play three days before. Yeah. So like at Dominion, nascar. But it was all outdoors.
Speaker 2 01:13:46 Like mean we've had dates that we haven't played that actually happened.
Speaker 1 01:13:50 Yeah. And our guys
Speaker 3 01:13:51 Yeah. Decided not to. Yeah. And good for them too. Yeah,
Speaker 2 01:13:55 Yeah, for sure. Like, you know,
Speaker 1 01:13:56 I got you. No pepperoni.
Speaker 2 01:13:59 You know, for me I think like, you know, during this time especially like if you can't control the fans, like we've seen what's happened at a few shows where the fans can't be controlled. I guess it's better for everybody. Well
Speaker 3 01:14:11 And also, you know, who gets the flack for that? It's not the venue, it's the artist. It's not the fans that all get individually punished. It's the artist like Yeah, I feel so bad for some of these dudes that tried to go out and like
Speaker 2 01:14:23 We're way under Covid guidelines. Yeah. We're at 10th capacity of the venue and just happened to take a photo at the wrong time where people were at the front of the stage.
Speaker 3 01:14:33 Well and but also the fact that people came to the front of the stage. Yeah. Like they shouldn't have been doing that. And like we played an outdoor thing where everybody was spaced out and good, but also we're not, you know, a-listers or whatever. Yeah. Whatever. I wouldn't even say he is an Alister, but it's one of those things that like you just can't control the fans, but the fans aren't the ones that are responsible or uh, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? They just don't care enough for the other, for the artist. Like, you know, we're doing everything that we're supposed to. And Burke Kreischer is my, one of my favorite comedians and he does the, the drive-in thing. He's like, everybody stays in their cars. They tailgate, they sit like if they're forced to stay in their car, they get creative and they sit on top of their car or on their hood or on their windshield. Even if they're in like minivans or they open the doors and or they bring a truck and put a tarp in the back and they have a pool and everybody's good. But the second this one person starts coming to the stage, everybody does and you can't control it at that point. Right. And it's disrespectful to the artist because then their career is in the train because a couple of selfish fans wanted to just run up and take pictures thinking they wouldn't get in trouble
Speaker 2 01:15:37 For it. I've seen the thing where it's like, uh, you're basically put in like, it looks like a mini wrestling ring or like a little like, you know, you're put basically like in a little box. Yeah. And there's like six to eight people that can be in that box. Yeah. And they have to be same household or you know, something come
Speaker 3 01:15:56 Together. Same people.
Speaker 2 01:15:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I'm all for that. If you can keep it there, but then you're gonna have the guy, you know, on the edge of it, you know, doing beers like Stone called Steve Austen shotgunning stuff and then everybody's gonna do it and then one of 'em is gonna flip and somebody's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3 01:16:13 Or you jump into somebody else's like movie theater hopping, you just slide into the next one next to you. And like it's just, it's unfortunate but also the great thing about the independent side is like I don't have to worry about paying anybody else right now. Yeah. Which, and I hate to put it that way to you guys cuz you guys work for an independent artist, but like I'm definitely gonna eat more of that later. I just can't talk any at the same time. Oh,
Speaker 1 01:16:35 You're fine. I'm having trouble multitasking.
Speaker 3 01:16:36 Um, it just, it sucks. It, it, it really does suck. I, I feel horrible for my band and like I'm trying to bring my tour manager with me as much as I can for the acoustic stuff just to kind of give her some, and I'm not saying that she does work for money or whatever, I feel bad for her, but like if I'm getting paid, I want my team to get paid too. I just can't break off X amount for acoustic shows to give to people. So like, it just sucks that everybody's outta work. But I will say that like these acoustic shows, if I'm doing everything myself again, which I'm good at, and that's another thing I'm grateful for being independent, is I'm not like an industry plant where I don't know how to run my stuff as soon as the label drops me or sh like she me or right now, like some of these artists don't know how to set up a merch site to be able to sell their own stuff and count it and who to go through and have a trusted distributor or a, a trusted uh, manufacturer to make it.
Speaker 3 01:17:31 Yeah. <laugh> choking on pizza. Oh yeah. So it's a blessing. Or even without a social media team. Like if they're not touring, I doubt they're having anybody on run social
Speaker 1 01:17:39 Media. Yeah. That's, that's something that was crazy for me is realizing how many people don't run their own social media. Especially a lot of the big boys out there and not just music but also corporate stuff, entertainment, like just in general there's a lot of people that social media manage and now they have all this time on their hands and they don't know what to do. But like that's what I'm saying, you know, all these skills cuz you've had to learn it.
Speaker 3 01:17:59 Well the other skill too that like I just thought of now and I'm not, it's tough cuz there's contracts involved involved and it depends on the verbiage and the vernacular that's, that's in the contract. But I've read a bunch of contracts and I, I've read 'em for country rappers that these big wigs on music grow are now trying to sign cuz they know that they make a lot of money. But like I'm not a ga I'm not for breaching a contract or doing things sketchy. But also I'm just saying like you could be making at least a couple hundred bucks playing some of these country clubs or private things under the table while you're not touring on these major label booking agency tours. Like so if you've got a contract you could be like, oh well I got a contract or whatever, but I know that there's a country club down in wherever that's kind of still doing my music. Maybe they'll let me come in for a cameo or whatever and maybe I just don't have to post about it. You can still get paid like a flat rate play
Speaker 2 01:18:51 Under a different name.
Speaker 1 01:18:52 Yes. And sometimes or that, oh and also sometimes those private events pay better to begin with and if it's a private event where people aren't like, like that um, palmetto bluff thing that we went to um, bluff in South Carolina or whatever, like those big private events guarantees for that are huge.
Speaker 3 01:19:07 Yeah. Well the other thing too though that people don't like the listeners and the fans don't realize is that like if you're on a deal and it's not a good deal, like people can be famous and be broke and that's the worst kind of fame and you don't make a bunch from ticket sales. If you've got a middleman, you've got a ticket holder, you've got a venue that takes a cut, you take a booking agency that takes a cut, you take the labels cut and then you get left with the pennies. And all you make maybe if you're lucky is merchant CD sales. So like
Speaker 1 01:19:37 CD sales don't even forget that.
Speaker 2 01:19:38 Yes. That's if they don't have you on that like really bad 360 deal that's running rampant right now. That's what I'm
Speaker 1 01:19:44 Saying. Yeah. Those 360 deals are dangerous and they
Speaker 2 01:19:46 Do, I've seen a few of those where I've just like literally like went home and cried,
Speaker 3 01:19:51 Well here's where I don't feel sorry for people. Like I really don't and I had to get to this way cause I wanted to warn everybody and post it all on my social media and tell everybody, oh my God, like watch out. Like don't do this, don't do that. Hey by the way there's people fake like hey fans, there's people faking their Instagram following cuz they're buying it, whatever. But like here's why I don't feel bad for people is you can Google anything. You can literally go on Google and either find a free copyright lawyer that'll at least give you a consultation or you can find a, a copyright lawyer that might charge you whatever amount of money. And I don't think it would be much just to read through a contract and say, yeah, this doesn't look great but if you wanna go through with it I'll help you with it.
Speaker 3 01:20:32 Or whatever. Or just to sit down yourself and when it comes to like a word that you don't understand, you can pull out a dictionary or goo like not even pull out a dictionary. You don't even have to do the manual labor, you can just Google it. So like I've read through contracts with a very basic copyright law class at Belmont for Ryan, for other guys that have had who I don't feel comfortable naming, you know, people that have had those Warner and Sony and big machine contracts put in front of them. And you don't have to sign these terrible 360 deals that people are getting shafted and shelved on. That's what I call it. The shaft and shelf.
Speaker 2 01:21:08 And like also just a lot of people don't know this. You can go to any college and you can audit a class most of the time, which means that you can sit in there and you can listen to the whole class and you can show up and now
Speaker 3 01:21:23 It's virtual
Speaker 2 01:21:24 And you can show up for as much as you want of it and it really doesn't cost you much. Yeah. If anything and you don't have to do the work.
Speaker 3 01:21:33 Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:21:33 You literally can sit there and gain knowledge for little of nothing if anything at all. And like so when I was in school, if I had a better gpa I'd be in law school right now going for contract law. I love it. That's like one of the things like I got real nerdy about in college and like I was the kid in college Boudreau
Speaker 1 01:21:54 The lawyer.
Speaker 2 01:21:54 Like I always even in like middle school was like, I'm gonna go to Harvard Law, you know, and then like my GPA went. Yep. And then it was no longer a thing retweet, but uh, but no, like that was one of the things I got really nerdy about in college. And kids would ask me questions and I would be able to answer it sometimes just as good if not better than the teacher. Cause I could put it in layman terms. Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3 01:22:17 Well and also there's so many, like there's a, you can go on Amazon and order music business or all you need to know about the music business is the series and they come out with a new edition each year. Yeah, I noticed. Like I have it. I actually just gave it to Leroy to read through. I don't think he's probably touched it, but I think
Speaker 2 01:22:35 I have four versions of that from college.
Speaker 3 01:22:37 Yeah. And they're always updated. And this version didn't account for like Spotify and stuff cuz when I went to college and got this book, Spotify was not a thing yet. Like it Yeah, that's and that's so crazy how fast everything's moving and how quickly things are coming into play. It's like Spotify was active but it wasn't used yet. It was still Apple music music wasn't even there. Especially Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:22:57 When someone mentions a new artist to me sometimes, like if I'm just looking to be like, oh, I wonder, oh, like how, how big are they? Something I look into is is Spotify streams. Yeah. That wasn't a thing everybody does years ago. Like Spotify streams, like, like the numbers on social media and the streaming sites really freaking
Speaker 2 01:23:14 Matter. I was, I was in my last year of college, which was 2018 whenever Nielsen, I don't know if you know what Nielsen is. Yep. Matt kind of does. I don't use
Speaker 3 01:23:24 It. But
Speaker 1 01:23:24 They run, they run the radio
Speaker 2 01:23:26 Industry. Well it's not only radio industry.
Speaker 1 01:23:27 Well, well they're the they're the top rating surveyor. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2 01:23:30 Yeah. Familiar. They control ratings and they control who gets a gold, platinum, all that kind of stuff. Billboard also controls it. There's like other companies, but Nielsen is like the one that like Grammy's use and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. And like it was my last semester when they just started counting Spotify streams towards your total album sales.
Speaker 3 01:23:51 And what year was that?
Speaker 2 01:23:52 2018?
Speaker 3 01:23:53 Yeah, so I, I went into college in 2014, so it wasn't even Yeah. Used or like you weren't making money on it, that's for sure. No, but
Speaker 2 01:24:01 But that's whenever you start seeing like guys like Post Malone and those guys really start charting better because then all like, I think, uh, I forget, I think it was Ye or it was one of Kanye's albums came out. Yeah. On title only. Yeah. And it charted number one Yeah. On Nielsen. And that was the first album? No, sorry, it wasn't Kanye, it was Chance. Okay. It was his album that came out. It was the first album to ever chart number one on Nielsen that had zero like physical sales.
Speaker 3 01:24:37 Yeah. Well, and and that's why I just don't feel, people ask me all the time, and I have people that call me regularly on a weekly basis almost being like, Hey, like, you know, I, I tried or I tried that thing you said to do and I'm sorry, but also this has taken me, well, let's just say 2017 was my first gig. And let's say at that point I only had, I didn't know Ryan, I probably only had like 4,000 followers at that point. And that was only three years ago. But still that was three years of playing shows every single week weekend. Like when I say every single weekend for the last three years, I think I only had 52 weeks or 52 weeks in a year. So let's just say maybe two or three weekends off a year. Yeah. That I wasn't playing something.
Speaker 3 01:25:26 And I can go back. I have like, I can scroll down like, and that's, I follow Russell a lot, so I adopt some of his lingo, but just like scroll down, like you can see the pedigree and you know, and I'm at the point too where I can start looking back at my, my, uh, digital, my digital distribution and stuff and being like, I remember when excuse only made 5 cents and I didn't know about csac or bmi. I definitely didn't know about bmi. And then I got invited to csac and I can look through those and be like, oh, I made like $20. And that was a year after I had excuse out. And so I made $20 on my quarterly and then I was making $45 and then I was making whatever so I can go back and do that and I'm in the middle of it now, but I just don't feel bad.
Speaker 3 01:26:09 Like all Leroy had to do was be like, dude, how do I get paid for music? And I said, well Google it. And he found out that it's distribution, which he was making whatever either features and getting paid upfront for features or the mechanicals. And then I was, he's like also on publishing and I'm like, he's like, how do I set up my publishing? I go, came to the right place. Let's sit down, here's a computer. It took us five minutes to set up a BMI account. He got approved that week and uploaded all of his stuff. And I have had people, dude, I don't even work with BMI and I have brought them, brought them so many clients, <laugh>, but I have had people that'll be like, yeah, I did what you told me. And I, I registered with BMI and they haven't approved me yet.
Speaker 3 01:26:49 And I'm like, all right, how long's it been? Well it's been like two weeks. All right, well then try it again. And then f two weeks later, well now it's been four weeks. Well did you try again two weeks ago? Well, no, I just, okay, well then try again. And then a month later now it's been eight weeks. Well why didn't you try like, or call somebody? It's cuz they didn't do it. Yeah. And that just tells me like, you just don't care and you're wasting my 30 seconds and this is where I get down the rabbit hole and I get into not so friendly Carly anymore. I just don't, I don't care. And I don't have the bandwidth or the energy to care about your career more than you do. So I'm not gonna help. And I've gotten to the point where I'm like, all right, cool.
Speaker 3 01:27:26 Like nobody's gonna help me, nobody's been helping me. I figured it out. What's kind of working right now and I'm learning every single day. I'm learning something new. I'm learning a new trend on social media, I'm active on it, I'm gaining a new fan, I'm gaining a hundred followers a day. So like something's working, but I'm also learning something new every day about like marketing or posting or whatever. And you just don't even care to take the five minutes. And I'm not saying you guys, but they just don't take the, the five minutes to sit down with BMI and just type in your social security number and pay the a hundred bucks. Which yo if you don't have a hundred bucks, let me know. I'll call you. Or like I'll, I'll Venmo it to you so you can get your stuff set up. Venmo it back to me whenever you get your first BMI check.
Speaker 3 01:28:10 Like that's cool. I got a hundred bucks. So whatever. Yeah. That's an open invite between me and anybody that's listening to this. Just text me if I know you, I'll give you the a hundred bucks, set it up and I'll know where to find it if I need it back. You know what I'm saying? So like that's where I just don't feel bad for anybody at this point to be like, you got one of these, whether it's iPhone and I'm holding up my phone, whether it's iPhone, Android, a computer, like you know, somebody that's got a phone at the very least. Hey, I remember asking my, my uh, my friend Emily Cross, we're not friends anymore, but we used to be friends back in the day and she had a cell phone and I didn't or I'd get grounded. I got grounded so much <laugh> and my parents would take my phone and I would not have a phone for a week, but I had a little boyfriend I had to talk to be like, Emily, can I give you five bucks to like use your phone for 20 minutes, whatever.
Speaker 3 01:29:00 Or can I use your phone for five minutes? Or we'd pass it back and forth. She'd sit on her phone and then after five minutes she'd be like, oh, I forgot Brady texted you back. And she'd hand her my hand me her phone and I'd get to text him and like, I'm pretty sure Brady Saville up in Cambridge, New York still has Emily Cross's phone number memorized too from all that. So like, you know, you have somebody that you can ask, Hey, can I borrow your phone for a minute if you don't have one of yours is outta commission. Cuz I do know artists who are still struggling to pay their phone bills and only get access on wifi, but also homie, you can drive to McDonald's and get wifi real quick and look up how to make money for music. And that's, sorry, that's a lot of words. It just came outta my mouth. I took a big breath.
Speaker 2 01:29:40 I can just, if I can just sum up what she said. This is something I said to somebody the other day, if you're not willing to invest in yourself, nobody's gonna invest in you.
Speaker 1 01:29:50 Yeah. That's, that's very, very, very much true. And, and something we haven't even really brought up and talked about yet. You got these cool new plaques, <laugh>. Yeah. Congrats. New
Speaker 2 01:30:01 Wall art.
Speaker 1 01:30:01 Yeah. Congratulations. Billboard number ones. What was that feeling like? To, to get that? And granted, granted they aren't, they aren't technically Upchurch projects, but it's something that you were a part of and it's, and again it's, you were part of the project and like there and for Ryan to get the made for you and, and all that. Like what was, what's that feeling like for you? Because you shared a really cool, you put together like a cool little video of you playing in front of, and it was like one little part of it was like playing when there's nobody there and then like the little come up and then there's a picture of you hold number one. It was freaking dope. Yeah. Like what's that feeling been like? And and how's that all been?
Speaker 3 01:30:40 Well, I'll tell you the rollercoaster ride that it's been since I posted that. Um, man, these thunderstorms are awesome right now. Southern, my dog is probably so crazy. This
Speaker 2 01:30:50 Is the outer bands of a hurricane. This isn't just a southern storm.
Speaker 1 01:30:52 No it's not. I looked it up. It's not quite here yet. That's still out in Missouri.
Speaker 3 01:30:55 Yeah. It's just the pressures system, system coming here. There's
Speaker 1 01:30:56 A whole, there's a whole nother one coming up from the down
Speaker 3 01:30:58 East and it's not hitting Nashville. This is just hitting where we are. And I don't wanna give exactly where you are, but like this is just hitting the south. We, you've
Speaker 2 01:31:05 Already said it, but whatever.
Speaker 3 01:31:06 Oh yeah, <laugh>. See we're not quite there, but it's
Speaker 2 01:31:10 A big place. There's a lot of places here.
Speaker 3 01:31:12 Oh yeah. Um, no it's been a rollercoaster since I posted that because first off I posted it and I got a lot of great, well, I, I'm trying to figure out where to start because posting those songs and the success that we've had with them and posting about the number one in a comment first. Like we, we knew Cowboy had gone number one on Bill Billboard a long time ago and we knew that, uh, step on it had come out. And originally too, we had our wires crossed and thought it was a different type of accolade, but we, we got it all straightened out and, but we posted like, yeah, I posted like I'm super grateful to have this opportunity, but it wasn't a comment. People didn't see anything physical or tangible, so they didn't really believe me. But I think people just liked me. So they're like, I see you eyeballing that pizza and that cheese that you I pulled off my pizza. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I'm not eating
Speaker 1 01:32:04 It. I No shit. You're not getting eat. You took it off the pizza. Yeah, I did
Speaker 3 01:32:07 <laugh>. Um, but they couldn't say anything tangible, so they're just like, yeah, whatever. Cuz I feel like, and I don't just feel like he is, our church is still a conspiracy in Nashville. People still don't believe that he has an old car collection.
Speaker 1 01:32:21 But what was, what was the thing that we said last week? A couple weeks ago?
Speaker 3 01:32:25 Mm. I can't remember exactly what we, what, what vein about Upchurch being like the boogeyman? Yeah. Yeah. Like he's just like a, or, or Santa Claus, whichever way you wanna put it. <laugh>, but ho, ho, ho ho ho. But I don't think people really believed it at first. And then now I've got something tangible, something I can physically hold and post a photo of. And as soon as I got it, I called my, I called Carly and I was like, yo, can you drive down to the apartment? I've got this really awesome view behind my apartment. So I was like, can you just drive down and take the, these photos of me? I'll pay you to do it. Like, just, just come down and take these real quick. You know, I'll pay you for your gas money, whatever. And she came down and I posted it and I posted it immediately. And initially the first wave within the first couple hours was awesome. Congratulations. So proud of you. Didn't think you really had it in you, whatever. Then, uh, we got a little like whatever, a little tif somebody tried to claim it was a conspiracy or whatever, because they're a crazy upchurch conspiracy theorist who's like, Upchurch is a part of the Illuminati, blah, blah, blah. What?
Speaker 1 01:33:27 Oh
Speaker 3 01:33:27 Yeah. Oh, there's this
Speaker 1 01:33:28 Why. Hey, wait a second. We gotta, there's
Speaker 3 01:33:30 This whole thing thing about Upchurch being in the Illuminati. We
Speaker 1 01:33:32 Gotta, we gotta talk about this.
Speaker 3 01:33:33 Wait, but let me finish this part first because these
Speaker 1 01:33:36 Questions are, that is preposterous.
Speaker 3 01:33:38 Oh, it's a whole thing. And then, you know, but then they see that I've got something tangible, you know, and that was great. But now on the backside of it, people still kind of, the question was, what was that rollercoaster? Right? What was that rollercoaster like? And now, or what was that feeling like? And it was great. It was great. And now I'm getting the comments from other people in Nashville or mostly people from Nashville being like, well it's, it's Ryan's, you know, it's Ryan's project, it's his, you know, you wouldn't have gotten that if it wasn't for Ryan. Why don't you go do that on your own? And now here's where the double standard comes in and where it's part of my language, uh, if there's any kids listening, but this is where it's fucked up, is like any songwriter in Nashville then doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 3 01:34:21 Doesn't deserve to have any recognition, doesn't deserve to have the pla whatever it is. Like whatever that argument is with me, that, oh, it was Ryan's and you should, why don't you go get one for yourself before you whatever. Like, if you're gonna post about it, make sure it's your, make sure it's your own. Okay, well then go tell that to Ray, Ray Fulcher and go tell that to Drew Parker and go tell, tell that to anybody else in Nashville that's gotten a number one, uh, Clint Daniels, any of 'em. Like go tell them that that never got one as an artist, but got him as a songwriter. Like that's just wrong. And so, um, and I'm not, I I love all three of those boys. Yeah, yeah. Like they're all great people, but then they should get the same flack, but they don't because they're mainstream.
Speaker 3 01:35:00 So the reason why I'm getting that is because people are like, and also those are albums too. Like those are Luke Combs albums or Jake Owen albums or, uh, whoever did Margaritaville's albums. Like those are pieces now granted, whatever, they're great and I love them all and I'm supportive of them all. But that's what I'm, I'm just saying like, just because the song was on enough church album doesn't mean I didn't deserve it because I was a part of it. And I love how you prefaced that with like, even though it was Ryan's project, you still obviously get
Speaker 1 01:35:29 The piece. You,
Speaker 3 01:35:30 So that's what that rollercoaster was like. Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:35:31 You had, you had a feature and you, you wrote the song and that was in this most recent one step on it. If you guys have tuned into episode three way back, which I highly recommend tuning into just to see the differences. Cause these are two very different episodes that we're doing. Also
Speaker 2 01:35:44 Just to hear Carly Scream from the Cat.
Speaker 1 01:35:45 Yeah. Just to hear Carly get terrorized by Two Little Cats, our pod cats. Um, one
Speaker 2 01:35:49 Was not little at all,
Speaker 1 01:35:50 But, um, but anyway, um, step On it was the first song you and Ryan ever wrote together.
Speaker 3 01:35:55 Right. But we wrote Cowboy the next night. Yeah.
Speaker 1 01:35:58 But that, but that's the thing though, is you're a co-writer in addition to being a feature. You're a co-writer that that's singing on the song as well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, how, how the hell can it not be yours? But real quick too. I know aside, that's not all the negative and all the bullshit. Fuck those guys that are saying that. Yeah. How the fuck do people think Ryan Upchurch is in the Illuminati? Cause Jay-Z is linked to the Illuminati. Jay-Z and Ryan Upchurch very,
Speaker 2 01:36:23 Everybody that's had success is linked to the Illuminati. Now,
Speaker 3 01:36:26 I will say the fuck,
Speaker 2 01:36:27 It's crazy. It's coming down out there. Sorry, I just see my umbrella outside. Just like,
Speaker 3 01:36:32 I'm pretty sure the light, the motion light turned on because of the lightning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, um, don't underestimate Ryan Upchurch, like you made the comparison to jc and I'm not saying that Ryan has as much jc, but what I am saying is that Ryan's not that far off. Well,
Speaker 1 01:36:50 I'm not. Well, what I well what I'm, what I'm saying is not, not in terms of like popularity and all that stuff. I'm just saying like Ryan's just like, like it's the, the simple-minded like grown up in the country. Like how the hell is he gonna get mixed up in an international world conspiracy organization? And how would he be a part of that? Because he's so big on debunking conspiracies. How could he be a part of said conspiracy?
Speaker 3 01:37:12 I don't know. I've never, I've just never cared to go too far into it on the internet and I've never given,
Speaker 1 01:37:18 This is new to me, like I haven't heard this and this, is this a relatively new thing or has this been going out
Speaker 3 01:37:23 Four or five years? Yeah, I mean as long as this music career, because he came out the gate and I mean that album took off because he had the social media following. Yeah. So like, um, I just heard your beard scratch or beard scratch in my headphones. That was so funny. Yeah. Similar, um, <laugh>, but I don't know the, the specific details. All I know is that a lot of people that they still support him because they follow him and they track his stuff and they make videos and promote him. And I think a lot of 'em buy merch and listen to the music or whatever. So they're paying him essentially, but they claim that he is a part of the Illuminati and that's how they explain his success coming from a single wide trailer with the roof falling in and the floorboard coming out.
Speaker 3 01:38:05 You can ask Luke Combs about that cuz he stayed there. He that kind of place to where he is at now with a, uh, 300 acres on this beautiful farmhouse way out in the middle of the, the same town, I mean, right around the corner from the trailer he grew up in. Yeah. And so that's how they explain it. And also there have been things like Ryan does jump into the conspiracy theories. He also, his, uh, videographer and tour manager and stuff. Belos has an emblem that's a period with an eyeball or a, like a pyramid, not period pyramid with an eyeball on it. Um, like the Illuminati symbol.
Speaker 1 01:38:40 Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:38:41 But he just uses that, so it's not anything.
Speaker 1 01:38:45 Yeah, no, that's interesting though. So for the rest of, for the rest of this year, what do you kind of got, kind of got set up? I know you were up in Vermont up in the motherland with your boy Alejandro shooting a video. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Nice little photo shoot by the way too. Been enjoying, been enjoying seeing those pictures. He takes some good pictures.
Speaker 3 01:39:02 Oh yeah. Well, and there's plenty more to come. Um, I'm trying to keep, like I only took pictures in two outfits in two different places, so I'm trying to keep like one outfit all the same and save some for like the fall. Um, so I can still have some content at that point too. But knowing me, I'm just gonna go through all of them in like two weeks. But, um, the rest of the year, so this weekend we're gonna St Louis for a veterans benefit for Operation Triage and basically all the money goes to making, uh, injured veterans lives easier. Um, and I don't have like all the specifics right in front of me, but they do help with like different costs and, and expenses and stuff like that, that mo that people have to go through. But this is specifically geared toward, um, disabled veterans.
Speaker 3 01:39:47 So it's gonna be really cool. Um, it's put on by Mr. Brian Judy out there in St. Louis. So that'll be cool. And then, um, we've got Cotton and I Joe with Hayden Kaufman in September. We, I've got a couple acoustic shows like down in the Atlanta, Athens, Georgia area. And then we've got Keller's in Gallatin, um, Hartsville area in Tennessee, full band with Betty James. Um, I'm headlining it, but with Betty James and Chase. Matthew on the ticket on October the eighth. And then we've got, uh, cahoots in Lebanon November 14th. And that's, I mean, we've just got things booked out. I'm supposed to be playing in Lake Charles, Louisiana in two weeks. I don't think that's gonna be happening, but we'll see. Hopefully, I hope, um, I got buddies down there right now with homes underwater that they're currently trying to drain and that
Speaker 1 01:40:36 Stuff. Yeah. Thought Yeah. Thoughts and prayer for everybody down there in the Gulf right now. Yeah, this was something we actually talked about in the Grapevine podcast this past week was, um, about hurricane prep. And of course Tyler, a guy from South Alabama, he knows all about hurricanes and stuff. So our thoughts and prayers are with everybody down there in the Gulf. And, uh,
Speaker 3 01:40:53 And also let us know if you need help. Like we, yes, I at the very least message me like I'll drive down there, I don't care. I've done it before. Like, just let me know. I'll come down as close as I can get and try to bring somebody with a truck they can get through and, and or a John boat and we'll go to work. So at the very least, you know, let me know. Hell
Speaker 1 01:41:11 Yeah. Well this, this was a lot of fun, Carly. Oh yeah, part two. This was great. Part two. I can't wait for what the hell is gonna happen in part. This is
Speaker 2 01:41:17 Our first part two.
Speaker 1 01:41:18 Yeah, you're our first recurring guest.
Speaker 3 01:41:20 That's a, I should get a plaque for that.
Speaker 1 01:41:22 We'll give you one we'll and we'll make it extra cheesy. Deep dish with pepperoni. Think I could
Speaker 2 01:41:26 Go find one somewhere that I know of.
Speaker 3 01:41:28 Dude, honestly, that pizza really did hit the spot though. That was great. Did it Wasn't bad. You did good Boo Joe. I didn't hate it.
Speaker 2 01:41:33 I'm one slice away from finishing mine,
Speaker 3 01:41:35 <laugh>. Oh, we already finished ours over here.
Speaker 2 01:41:36 Yeah, but that's two people. I, I know I'm one.
Speaker 3 01:41:39 I usually hate the whole thing <laugh>, but no. Um,
Speaker 1 01:41:42 Where can people go to follow you and stuff if they aren't following you already? Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:41:45 So, uh, Instagram, Venmo and Cash app are all Rogers Carly. And uh, I say that cuz all those are the same username, but Facebook is just Carly Rogers music, Spotify, apple Music, uh, Google Play, Amazon, all that. Um, and if you wanna just hear my opinions about things, I'm on Twitter. Carly Roger music. Um, it used to be Rogers Carly, but I got locked out of it and I can't figure the password out. So it's Carly Roger music now. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1 01:42:14 Boudreau another, another great episode. Um, first recurring guest. That was awesome.
Speaker 2 01:42:19 Yeah, it was. It's always great to have Carly in here. Oh
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