Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill, a rage rowdy podcast.
What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of Outside the Round with me, Matt Burrill. Shout out to our friends from Surfside. Be sure to, like, rate. Subscribe to tell your mama and them, as they like to say down here in the South. We got a good friend with us today from one of my favorite states in America. I don't know if we've talked about this Oklahoma girl. We got Gracie Shriver hanging out with us. How you been?
[00:00:40] Speaker B: I've been great. How have you been?
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Been good. Been busy. We were talking about it a little bit. How was your CMA Fest?
[00:00:46] Speaker B: It was insane. I think we were running on three hours of sleep the whole time, but it was awesome.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: What all. What all they have you doing?
[00:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So I played around over there, and then I did media stuff, and we went to Nissan two nights, took some tequila shots with Dan, and she at Red Door. Oh. So it was a whole, you know, thing. But we caught up on sleep on Monday, so it was good.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: That's good. Were you there for the FGL reunion?
[00:01:07] Speaker B: Yes. And so we went out all of those nights, and then we got to see Laney. We got to see all of them. So it was awesome. Zach. Top. And it was great.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Now, you've been here in town for a little while, right? So that wasn't your first CMA Fest. How long have you been here now?
[00:01:20] Speaker B: So I've been here about five years. I graduated from Belmont, like, into 20, 23. Into 24. Yeah. And so then I just kept on trucking along, and I got to have my CMA Fest debut last year. So this year was fun to get to give back.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And I. And I've heard I left town for CMA Fest this year just because we've been so busy with festivals. Had a little family reunion and some stuff to take care of. But everyone that I've talked to said that this year's CMA Fest was just absurd.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: It was insanity. And it was hot, which it always is kind of hot.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: But I'd rather it be hot than raining.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: True.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: Because you've been here long enough. Do you remember years. I think it was last year it all rained out. Yeah. Where it'. Like, what do you do? And we've seen that with festivals. Last time you and I were together was at Rock the Country in Texas, and we were hanging in the catering area. We were just up the creek without a paddle. And literally, it was like a creek out There.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: It was insanity. We got the milk boots from Walmart.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah. We stopped off and got ike those. Those boots, too. But.
But, yeah, I mean, I saw Waka Flocka was there, and Fetty Wap was there.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: It was a blast. We did. You know Craig Campbell. He did a whole, like, cornhole tournament.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: So we got to play the celebrity cornhole tournament with Waka Blocka.
[00:02:28] Speaker A: Wow. Who were you? Who were you teamed up with?
[00:02:30] Speaker B: So we all had, like, random fan partners that they bid on us.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: And so that was kind of fun. And then we. I didn't do the best. I'm not gonna lie. But I beat out Chuck Wicks, one of them.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Oh, all right.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: I was like, there you go, Chuck.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: That's pretty good.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he was cracking me up. So, yeah, I got to meet Waka Flocka, and he was just a doll, and he's such a. Like, a massive human.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: He's a big dude.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. I'm a tall girl. And I was standing next to him, like, this is crazy. So it.
Good time.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: That's awesome. That was over at the place 6th and Peabody. It's got, like, three names. It could be 6th and Peabody. It could be Yeehaw Brewing. Or it can be Old Smokey Distillery.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Three things. It's how you can alternate whatever day. But I'm glad CMA Fest went well for you.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: It was so much fun, and I feel like it's like the super bowl of country music.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Like, you will get in, and then you sleep the next day.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And the fact that you just put out a new song, like, right around CMA Fest had to be fun, too, to be able to interact with fans and get to promote that through the biggest week of music promotion that we have here in Nashville. Talk about miss the boat.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I know. So I wrote that with my. Well, one of my friends, Cali Prince, that, you know.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: I love Cali.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: We love Cali. And then Nicole Chapin and Sarah Killian. And so we were floating on a dock at a Rider or, like, at a writer's retreat, and my sister has this hat that says, I only date guys with boats. And so we were kind of talking about it, making fun of her. Yeah, she's a moron. And then we went, and this boat full of guys went by. And I want to say it was Sarah that was, like, laughing about them, and she was like, the only thing I'd miss about them is their boat. And so. So we wrote a song about it, because I feel like everyone needs a summer song.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: You know, very much.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: I don't know. Did you grow up on a lake?
[00:04:02] Speaker A: So I growing up in New York, it's like we would have the Jersey shore to go down to. You know, like the gym, tan, laundry. I mean there's some areas that aren't. It's like slightly, I guess bougier but like we would go to lakes and stuff too. And like the upstate. Yeah, there's nothing like a lake cracking a surfside and like just floating along, you know?
[00:04:22] Speaker B: Yes. I was like 4 years old in my pair of skis. My dad was like kind of a. He was kind of a hard ahead on that. He was like, you will learn to ski before you do anything else.
[00:04:31] Speaker A: You were four doing behind the boat skiing?
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Oh heck yeah. I'm in my little life jacket.
So he behind me out there behind the boat. And we just grew up on Grand Lake in Oklahoma.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: I don't know if you've ever been there, but yeah, I grew up doing that. I was a lake rat. So we had to have a boat song.
[00:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah, no, you gotta have that for sure. And I love. Like I said at the open, Oklahoma is one of my favorite states and to me it is so underrated. When people talk about the history of American music and country music specifically.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: Where you have. Everybody talks about red dirt. They love red dirt. And you can't talk about that without talking about Stillwater, Oklahoma.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: I know.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: It's a birthplace.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Exactly. I was born in Stillwater so all my family were like go pokes. Yeah, but yeah, I know. We were kind of talking about that on the drive in here. It's like all the greats, Carrie, Reba, Toby, Garth, like Vince, they all came.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: And even the folks that are more out in that, that stayed more out in that world like turnpike. Turnpike, cross Canadian ragweed, the great divide. And now modernly like Wyatt Flores, Zach Bryant, Gracie Shriver. So many people coming out.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: Everyone's like Gracie. Yeah, I know. But yeah, it's. It's great. Crazy. It's kind of big shoes to fill, I feel.
Yeah. I'm like messaged with Wyatt a little bit and stuff and he's. I was born in Stillwater. He was from like Morrison area which is, you know, right next to door. And so I was lucky to be able to grow up going to like calf fry and. Did you ever go to Cal?
[00:05:54] Speaker A: I got, I hosted it last year.
[00:05:56] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:56] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:05:57] Speaker B: Did you eat caf fry?
[00:05:58] Speaker A: Yes. And it was actually delicious for. For those that don't know describe what a caf fry is.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Interested to hear your perspective of it.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: So it's a calf testicle chopped up and fried.
It's actually delicious.
You dip them in ranch.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: It was like a. It was like a Chipotle ranch. I forget the name. They were calling them the place. I think it was like a food truck that Carrie and the team at the. We at Tumbleweed had. And it was. I forget the name of the food truck, but, like, I have a bunch of shirts, cat fry stuff and yeah, it. It was really good. Like, I ate it all four days that I was there.
[00:06:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: Like, I. Like, I ate it by choice.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're sliced pretty thin, you know, so if you don't think about it, you're like, okay.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: It's like eating calamari.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Oh, exactly.
[00:06:42] Speaker A: It's not much of a different texture from like calamari or like an octopus. And you dip anything in ranch, it's going to taste good.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Smother in ranch, it's fried. You can't really taste it anyway.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So you grew up going to that festival. So who do you remember seeing there?
[00:06:55] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. I think. I mean, we saw a ton of people. We also saw like, we saw Riley Green. That was on his earlier end to, um. I've seen Caitlin Butts. She was there. I've opened for her a few times now. She's blowing up. Yeah. So it's a lot of guys like that. And I mean, even, like there were so many. I think I've seen Turnpike do stuff there as well. They've also just like blown up in all their stuff, so it's been cool to like, go back. Lainey Wilson. I also saw Tumbleweeds back in the day.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: And that's crazy too, isn't it? That it's like one second they're in like tumbleweeds and and then the next second they're just filling freaking Nissan Stadium. It's crazy.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And that to me is something like growing up in New York, we'd have a lot. Like New York City has a ton of music venues. We don't get a ton of country. There was some, like, I've gotten to see and do some cool things up there. But in Oklahoma, it's. There's not a ton to do and people. No, but. But because of that, when someone comes through and is playing a show, it's a big deal. Like, like Ronnie Dunn says, big time. And in a small town song, Hillbilly Deluxe, there's something to that. To pull up to Stillwater or going behind Enemy Lines in the Norman or going. Or going to Tulsa or even down to Eufaula or wherever in Oklahoma, like okc. It's a big deal when there's a show there, for sure. And the fact that you guys have. Can claim that Garth was a bouncer at Tumbleweed. I know. Met his ex wife there and all that. I know you have some history with Garth, right?
[00:08:22] Speaker B: Yes. It was actually funny because one of my first shows I ever did, so I started doing this when I was, like, nine.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: You know, your parents just had you doing all kinds of stuff as a kid.
[00:08:30] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
Like, bless them. And I was the one kind of dragging them around, but they were all in, right? They were like, she wants to do this. Heck, we're gonna load up the car. We're gonna get on the road. So I was playing whatever, and there was a frozen yogurt, like, shop in town called Cherry Berry. I don't know if y'. All.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Cherry Berry.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Cherry Berry. And I loaded my frozen yogurt bowl up. You know, I was waiting for my turn. I sang whatever. I don't know. Probably some Selena Gomez song or something. I was like, nine, and I look out in the crowd, and it was Garth Brooks, and. And when you're 9, 10 years old, like, you're, like, cool Garth Brooks. But I grew up in Owasso, Oklahoma, and, you know, Allie, and they all grew up in Owasso, so I was used to being around him, you know. Now you get out of it, and you're like, okay. Like, you see, like, the success of it all. But back then, I remember my mom, like, crying. She was so proud of me. And Garth is, like, hugging her. He's like, mama, she did so good. And I'm like, oh, gosh, that scars me now.
He was there for that.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:23] Speaker B: So he's been awesome. When I came to Belmont, actually had, like, my first stalker situation after the Voice, and so he got, like, his legal team involved for me. And I laugh because whenever you do those games, it's like, who's the most famous person in your contacts? I'm like, Garth Brooks. So he's great.
[00:09:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the thing, is somebody that's at the level that he's at and someone that's etched into country music history doesn't have to be that way to a young girl that's pursuing her dream that happens to be growing up with his kids.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: You know, like, it takes a special person to want to be there for someone else that is a young Oklahoma artist.
[00:10:00] Speaker B: For sure. Yeah. I've always. Like, he was so. You know, like, he would give me advice on music stuff. And then even Ally, like, she's been a sweetheart since moving.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: What a g too. Like, I love Ally. Her vibe of just, I'm Ali Colleen. I'm gonna do what the hell I want to do.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: I respect that so much.
[00:10:16] Speaker B: I respect her too. Like, in her dad's footsteps, like you. I mean, people might be like, oh, her dad has all these connections, but I feel like it's almost harder sometimes.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: Like. And so she's just an awesome job of, like, breaking, doing her own thing. And yeah, they've been great mentors for me. And I'm sure they look back and they're like, who's this kid like, that follows us?
They're been so sweet, so I've appreciated them.
[00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah. So you. You were on. On TV and got to do the Voice, right?
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. So I did that in, like, 2019. It was my senior year of high school. Wow. Into 2020. Yeah. So it was. I was the COVID kid, whatever.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: And I. Covid kid.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: I was the COVID kid. You know, they all have their sob stories about it I high school. So I was so ready to get out.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: I was like, praise the Lord.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: How many kids you graduate with? Like, how small of a school?
[00:11:03] Speaker B: It was actually pretty big by the time I got there.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: Because a lot of tools that had started kind of going in.
So I probably graduated with, like 700.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay. So it was a bigger school.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: It was massive.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: But it was people from a bigger area. Like.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: So everybody was kind of spread out on where they were from, but.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: All had the one high school.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Exactly. And I feel like that I wish I would have gone to a smaller one sometimes, cuz you get kind of lost when it's that big.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Especially going from a school that big to Belmont. It was like, no transition.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: Belmont's like a big high school. Yeah. But, yeah, so I. I did all that and then went on Kelly Clarkson's team, was on Blake Shelton's team, and then came to town, started hitting the ground running.
[00:11:45] Speaker A: Yeah. What?
Just that experience. So where do they film that show? Is that out in L. A?
[00:11:51] Speaker B: Yes. So it was in la.
My mom and I. I was a minor, technically, so my mom and I lived in a hotel for, like, eight months.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: Yes. A hotel room together, which were besties. But, you know, like a young. The oldest daughter with their mom. Like, you have your moments. I'm sure she Wanted to, like, end
[00:12:07] Speaker A: in such a foreign place in Los Angeles while you're in high school, where you're trying to. You're like, let me fly, guys. Let me want to get out of the nest. But, I mean, God bless her for being there and going through that experience with you.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: Amazing. Yeah, I know. From Oklahoma to l. A. Like, big shift.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: But it was great. You know, it was. I definitely feel like it was a crash course in the industry early on. I mean, every night you're doing live television, you have 11 million plus people watching you, and there's a chance you're getting kicked off. And, you know, 16, 17 years old, you're dealing with the good parts of it, and then hate that comes with it, and it just kind of prepares you. And I remember getting on the flight, it was so funny. I got kicked off on, like, a Tuesday in the live shows, and then by Thursday, I was back at high school, which is weird. And my mom was like, do you still want to do this? And I was like, I have never wanted to do it. More like, it just, like, created this thing of, like, yes, this is it for me. So came out here.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: That's the one with the blind auditions. Right. So is that anxious? Is that. What's the anxiety like? If you're singing, the crowd's looking at you, but the judges aren't.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: I know. So that one. Yeah. So that was, like, the first round, and so I was like, top 16 on that. So I made it to the live shows, but the blinds were crazy.
[00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:22] Speaker B: And what did you sing for the blind auditions? They gave me rainbow by Casey musgrave.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: Which I had at that time. Never heard that song.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: And my voice is so different than Casey Musgraves.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: So I was like, okay, great song.
But I was like, okay. So I just learned it, you know, did it out there. It's very television.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: So, like, there's a reason they picked that song or whatever. But, yeah, I sang it sounded nothing like Casey, but ended up getting chair turns, so kept on pushing through.
[00:13:53] Speaker A: That's awesome. And then. So how old were you when you came? Until it was like, that happened. And then you decided for college you really want to do this, so you come to the mecca of it, which is right here in Nashville.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Yes. So I moved here at 17, got an apartment out here. It was in 2020. And so I was just a new nobody, but I was like, I'm just going to go to rounds. And I'm pretty sure one of my first rounds, I Played was with y' all over at the. Was it the Live Oak?
[00:14:20] Speaker A: I miss those Live Oak days so much. And the caliber of folks, including yourself, that moved here in that time, the. The COVID kids, as you were saying earlier, because that was when nobody was on the. Nobody was able to be on the road.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: It was a weird time. And the folks that were moving. Like, I remember when you first played Forget if it was a Tuesday with me or Sunday with Nick. I think it might have been a Sunday.
[00:14:42] Speaker B: I think it was with Nick.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: I think it was a Sunday with Nikki T.
Which those OG Rowdy on the roads were so much fun.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: So much fun.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: And it's like. That was when, like, we started to see the Ella thing happen. That was when Megan Maroney first. When Bailey first moved here. Like, old 60 was starting to bubble up a little. Little later than that. So it's like that time, it was. We were fortunate to be in Nashville to where 2020. 2021. You guys could still perform in front of people, and we could still have folks on our stage.
[00:15:09] Speaker B: Yes. It was so much fun. I remember, like, starting those. And I would carry. You know, I wasn't old enough to get into those places.
[00:15:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:16] Speaker B: So everywhere I'd go, I just carry my guitar. And they'd be like, you're playing. And I'm like, yeah. Even if I wasn't.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:21] Speaker B: And just go set it down.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: That's the trick. If you're underage and you're wanting to get out and network, don't pick up an alcoholic beverage. Don't do anything stupid, but bring in the guitar. Act like you're supposed to be there. And you could meet some of your best friends. Like, you talk about Cali and some other folks that you met around that time.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: Exactly. She was one of the first people I met when I came to Nashville, which you laugh about now because she's one of my best friends in the whole world. But, yeah, I met her through Razor Audi stuff and just messaged her and, like. Yeah. Brought a guitar in and kind of made the rest was history. Met Emmy Moyen through all that stuff.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: We love Emmy.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: She's precious. And I sent pay. And so, like, all of them through that has been great.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're coming up at a time where it's. The girls are at the forefront again. It's been a long time. It's been too damn long. And you talked about Carrie earlier, and, like, you had, like, the Carrie Miranda, and then you had, like, the Kelsey Ballerini's and the Casey Musgraves. And then you had like the female fronted groups of like, Lady A and Little Big Town, Thompson Square, things like that, Sugar Land. And now it's like the girls are back at the top of the charts and people are streaming like, girls like yourself more than they ever have.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: I know.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: And you talk about, like, you were just talking about Emmy and Cali and Aniston and being a part of a crew that is just coming up right now. That's got to be a cool feeling.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: It's so cool. And it's like, yeah. I mean, people can complain about different parts of the industry right now. Like, I. I understand all what they're talking about, but the female thing has been such a cool experience. Like you said, this just hasn't happened.
[00:16:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: And I mean, people are break. I mean, Ella and them are breaking records of things and barriers.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: Ella might go down as one of the biggest artists we ever have.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Exactly. Format and it's just insane. It's such a blessing to be a part of it. And I think, you know, at times in my life I was like, ah, like, why didn't this happen then? And I'm like, God opens doors at certain times, dude.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: I've been saying that I'm not the biggest when it comes to. When it comes to the faith. I'm not the best practicing follower of Christ. But it's like, yeah, everything really does happen for a reason.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: It happens for a reason.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: It really does. Everybody's time. It might be now. It might be five years from now. It might have been years ago. Like, we don't know exactly. Just gotta be a good person and walk through doors as they open.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Yes. And I feel like that's been so cool to watch because I'm like, okay, I get it now. Like, this is the time. And watching all of my friends and us, like, get to do these opportunities that honestly, like, a lot of times, even with radio, like, they weren't playing a lot of girls and now they are.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: The thing now with the way it's adjusted, it's a lot harder for these guys. Mostly guys, but girls too. Up at the top to Gatekeep.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: Like, it used to be you only had a certain number of artists that were signed to a label that would be allotted to be sold their CDs sold in Walmart. Yeah, there are singles played on radio. They. They play the same.
My friends from Country Minute just did a silly video on it where it's like they only played the same 28 songs over a 24 hour period.
[00:18:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Now with streaming and I know the paint, like the way that songwriters and musicians and artists and bands and everybody get paid is different now. But the exposure that you guys have.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: TikTok such a tool. You can reach a million people with a 30 second video.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: Wild Spotify. Anybody can go and check out your music anywhere in the world, anytime they want.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: Yes. And so, yeah, I think all of that too. It has like its ups and downs, but that has been a blessing of it. I know a lot of opportunities have come from social media for me.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Which has been super cool. So I get where people are like, oh, it's because it is. Sometimes it's exhausting because your career feels like it's based on an algorithm. But at the same time, like if you put in the work like Emmy's, honestly a great one for that because I was talking with her and I was like, John Craft was telling us. I don't know if you.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: I know John. I know John. I knew John BC before COVID I remember 2018, 2019, fresh out of West Virginia. Johnny Craft.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: Exactly. And he was like, hey, like y' all need to really hone in to social media. And he was kind of a big push for me and I both. We were on a ride with him. And I just remember like from that day forward, we've just been grinding on and it's opened so many doors and I'm sure she would say the same.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's. It's like, it's just as much of a. Of a muscle now that you have to work as a. As an artist, as a songwriter, as somebody in this musical world, it's right up there. As important as it is writing the songs, performing the songs, recording the songs.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: You got to promote the songs. And it used to cost a lot of money to promote the songs. Now you can do it.
Yeah, you could. I mean, but it takes, it does take time and it's. You have to, I think, not get. Not get bogged down. When you see a video do six figures and then the next video does like 1200.
[00:19:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I know.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: And that's the thing that I think a lot of people get caught up in right now is it's like this video did so great. Why did this next one or these next five not do that?
[00:20:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Which I, I completely understand that. And I feel like I've had to adjust my mindset with it too. But I do think, like Nick did a little video the other day and was like, now artists can like do kind of meet and greet vibe things.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: And I feel like that's been so beneficial because, like, when you do a tick tock live, I mean, the amount of followers you get from even being on for 30 minutes. Yeah, because people get to see your personality and, like, it is about the music. But I follow people because I like their personality.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you enjoy the people. They're a fan of Gracie Shriver's music, but they're also fans of Gracie Shriver. They want to. They want to get together and have coffee with you. Have a glass of wine.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Like, they. They feel connected to you.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: My Trader Joe's wine.
[00:20:49] Speaker A: Your Trader Joe's.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: I'm like, so bad when it comes. I was laughing with Cali about this. I was like, I am not a bougie drinker.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: You don't have to be. No, it's better. It's better to do that if it works for you.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Bottle of wine.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: There you go.
But, yeah. How. How many people do you. Because I'm. I'm not as familiar. Like, that's the one thing that working in the media space, like, Nick and I do, I don't get on TikTok enough. Like, it just kind of missed the boat for me. But I'll jump on and see that people have hundreds to thousands of people in their lives.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: Like, what do you do in a typical live.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: I feel like, honestly, I just play songs in chat. Like, people will comment, you know, and I'll just, like, tell them about my day.
[00:21:27] Speaker A: It's just a conversation.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: It's a conversation. And it feels awkward at first because you're like, wait, I'm not talking to anybody. But you are. Because they'll be, hey, I love, like, your outfit or your hair. And then they'll be like, hey, play this song. And you play it. And then you just start talking. And by the end of it, like, the other night, I was on there for two hours and I got off and had like, a few hundred followers just from being on there for two hours, you know?
[00:21:48] Speaker A: Are they requesting.
Is there one song in the catalog they're requesting? Are you teasing, like, unreleased stuff? And they're like, oh, I heard this one last week or last time you went live. And then it, like, carries over.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: It's kind of like all of it. I feel like, like, miss the boat. Like, since I was on the other night, they're all like, oh, my gosh. Like we were doing, you know, like, we're streaming Miss the Boat or like, some of my early stuff from, like, Right off the Voice, I had one song when I got right off the show, which I was so naive back then. I wish I would have cherished this more, but I put my first song out, and it got on this mega playlist. Okay. And it's got, like, well over a million streams or whatever for my first song. And so people really go back to that song, which I cringe at, because I'm like, I was, like, 17 years old, but for some reason, people like it.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: Maybe because I wasn't overthinking things. I don't know.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah. There's. There's something about not knowing everything and just doing it, doing it, and it almost relieves the anxiety because you can't be in your head if you don't know the right or wrong way to do it. And you're just doing it.
[00:22:45] Speaker B: Exactly. And I laugh, and I'm like, mom, why did I not cherish? Because I was just like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, like, I got, like, a hundred thousand streams my first week, like, putting it out as a first single. And now I'm like, golly, that was. Yeah, it was more hard to do than I thought, but that was.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Times were also a little different back then.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:23:03] Speaker A: That's another thing I love. I call the. The Nick content, where he's talking about stuff. I call it, like, Professor Nick.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:23:10] Speaker A: He's doing so well with that. I tell him. I'm like, I think everybody's really paying attention, you talking about these trends. But he was talking about, like, how there's so many songs coming out every week, and there's a pressure on you guys as creators and creatives to get the next single out.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: It's not album Tour the album everybody enjoys. Get the album, gets to have a moment, and then a year or two later, here's the next thing. It's album. And then you see, like, a mega artist, like a Morgan or Luke Combs or an Ella or Zach Bryan, they drop a record, and then, like, a week later, they're teasing the next single.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: I know.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: And it gets exhausting and it gets expensive for you guys. It's so absurdly.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Because, I mean, like you said, with the streaming, until you're at a certain caliber, like, it takes a while to recoup those songs, you know? And so I think, like, it's awesome at this because if you really love an artist, like, you're like, yeah, this is amazing.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: But as the artist, I do feel like that's a piece of it. That has changed that. I Wish was back because, like, back in the day, they milked those. So, like, you just. You saved up all your money to go watch him on concert. It was, like you said, like, a year of just touring, that one thing. And I mean, like, Ella dropped her album and then, like, not long after, dropped the duet with, you know, Morgan. And it's just, like, consistent, which I love, but I can get how. It'd be exhausting.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Because there's. I think on average right now, there's well over. I think it was, like 100 to 150 songs coming out a week right now, just in country music.
[00:24:32] Speaker B: That's crazy.
[00:24:33] Speaker A: Nuts.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Like, it's just. It's. It's like, how do you. How do you break through.
[00:24:37] Speaker B: How do you break through? And how do you, like, break through with the DSPs to, like, get those slots? Because that's kind of how you're, like, getting attention nowadays to social media and playlisting.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's a wild. It's a wild thing. So I want to talk about, too, about Pretty Psycho that you got.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: About the new ep.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah. So my sister, like, that was funny. I actually wrote that one with Cali and one of my friends, Ally. Leanne.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: I love. I love Ally, by the way. She's a sweetheart. Precious as Alabama. As an Alabama girl gets.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: She.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: She is roll tied till the day she dies.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: I know.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: Which.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: This song was funny, too, because. So my sister went to Alabama.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: Oh, nice.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: We both decided to come out towards,
[00:25:17] Speaker A: you know, like, it's playing, playing music. It's playing your music playing. Miss the boat Shout out There's a stream, There's a stream. Better pick that up.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Spotify my finnies.
[00:25:28] Speaker A: That was hilarious.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: I did that in church the other day with my own song. I was so embarrassed. O. I didn't mean to. I guess for some reason it was in my purse and it started playing, and of course, it's like good Patron there on my lips, and it's like a sermon's going on. I was like, okay. Lord, help me. Forgive me.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: The Lord wanted the song to be played at that moment in his house. So that's totally okay.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Exactly. I felt so bad.
But yeah. So my sister, we're like a year apart, and she. I'm the older sister, so I'm a little protective.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: And she was in a sorority. She was in 5 MU at Bama, which is. I don't know if you know anything about the frat sorority stuff in the south, but it's insanity.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Oh, it's a different. There's the size of this building that we're in is like half the size of a Alabama or Mississippi Ole Miss sorority.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: Wild.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: And I'm like, yeah, no wonder you guys don't want to leave, because they got, like, a private chef. It's like, yeah, it's insane. So she was in there, and there was some. Some girls, and there was one in particular that just was, like, kind of a who? And she would call me and be like, oh, she did this today, or whatever. And I was in a right with both of them. And, you know, Callie, like, she's like, well, you know, like, she's, like, talking all this trash on this girl. I'm cracking up.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:38] Speaker B: And Allie, she's a sweetheart. And she's like, well, you know, like, she's pretty. And I was like, yeah. Like, we're not dogging on her looks. Okay. We're talking on her attitude.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: And then Callie was like, pretty psycho. And so then we all started laughing about it, wrote this song from it, and then it kind of just morphed into this project.
So I've always been a lean towards, like, the fun, upbeat jams.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: Like, the fact that Florida Georgia line is bad.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We've been. We've been manifest. Nikki T. Brian Frazier, who runs our butt rock out, like, our whole crew has been manifesting that for probably last four or five years. We're like, we need it. We need it.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: We need it.
My year was made. I was like, 2026 is secure. Yeah. So we wrote that one. And I don't know if you know Mitch Grego at all.
[00:27:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, I know Mitch very well.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: He's awesome. And so I was showing it to him, and he was like, yeah, we could make this, like, really cool. And so he produced the ep, and it was kind of just a, like, compilation of fun, upbeat summer jams. And I was like, this is going to be Roll your windows down.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Roll your windows down. It's June. It's the time for everyone to enjoy it.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: And I love the story of Pretty Psycho. That's awesome. And knowing Ally and. And knowing Callie, that makes so much sense that those are the girls you're in the room writing with.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:27:53] Speaker A: For that song.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: You know, if I ever have a problem, those two have my back.
[00:27:56] Speaker A: Like, got theirs. And that's one of the things that everybody asks, like, how does Nash work? I'm like, it's really. It's making cool stuff with your friends.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: It's finding your people and then making stuff that you guys in the room think is cool together. That's what it is.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: They're the best ever. And funny stories. I feel like living life just like. Especially when you have two, like, funny weirdos like them. It's like you come up with so much stuff just talking about dumb stuff. Yeah.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: How long did it take you to kind of find your crew in town? Because I feel like that's a huge thing. And everybody kind of remembers their moment where they're like, okay, I found my people. I'm not scared. I'm not in a foreign place. Like, this feels like home because I have my Nashville family.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: I feel like, yeah, that was a big thing when I moved to town, too. And I was going into these labels and things. They were like. They would preach that, find your people. And I would say it was probably, like, three years ago now that I really honed in on. Just like, this is my crew, you know, like, my ride or dies. We all support one another. And it does make it a little less when you're eight and a half hours from home.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:56] Speaker B: Like, it's nice to have those people that you can bounce stuff off and
[00:28:59] Speaker A: to be as young as you were when you got out here. Like, you got your apartment when you're 17.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I don't know why my parents let me do that, but.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: Well, it's because they. It's because they believed in you and they have your back. They knew you would figure it out, and they were right. You know, you figure you're figuring this thing out as you go, and you've come a long way, but. Yeah, it's so important to have.
Have your folks.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. And they've, like, all of those. And guys like Mitch and, like. Like Trent, Wayne, and, like, I don't know if you know him.
[00:29:25] Speaker A: Oh, I know. I know. I know. That whole crew. S.J. mcDonald was, like, my first friend in Nashville.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Oh, really?
[00:29:31] Speaker A: Because I. I used to be a door guy. Did security at Whiskey Row. And she was 18, going to Belmont, playing at the stage. So I'd get done with my shift, and I'd go watch her play. And then I'd help. I'd walk her because she was a little baby back then.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:44] Speaker A: And I'd walk, make sure she got back. That was when people were being weird in the parking garages. And this is, like, 2018. And I was like, I'm gonna make. Me and my buddies would walk her back to her. To her car and make sure that safely. So she's like, day one, like, first week in Nashville, homie. So I've gotten to know Trent Wayne and Mia Mantia and Matt Mulhere, my fellow New Yorker. Like, that whole crew, Mitch Craig, like, that's what I. I love that Mitch is producing stuff.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: Because he's always had such a good ear. And I was like, what's. Like, what's he going to evolve into? Because I know it's like, the fact that he's working. Like, you've got a great crew in your corner.
[00:30:20] Speaker B: He's awesome. I know. And I'm so blessed. Like, I am so thankful because, you know, high school was rough for me, and I was like, like, peace out of here. Like, I'm getting out and come into town. And the people. Everyone's just so supportive. And, like, we all do different things. Like, our styles are so different, but everyone's so supportive of one another. And, you know, Mitch kind of just. I had a right with him, and I just, like, looked at him. I was like, you're producing my stuff. Like, he just. He has that thing about him. Like, he's, like, hip current. Like, I don't know. He's awesome.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: So, yeah, watch. Yeah. Like, he's one of those guys where you sit and you kind of watch his mind work. Like, he's not even saying anything, but you can tell by his facial expressions and what he's doing, like, in the control room or at his, like, setup that he's got. And you can just see his mind's
[00:31:03] Speaker B: working a million percent, and he's very dry, and I'm not.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: Oh, so you guys yinning yin and yang?
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Yes, we are. It's. If I, like. I know he's like, shut the heck up sometimes, because I'm back there, like, doing my thing, and he'll just look at me, and I'm like, hey.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Like, Gracie. Really?
[00:31:19] Speaker B: I know he's like, get out of here. But he's great. He's. Yeah, he's awesome. And his style is great. So I'm super proud of him. Him, too.
[00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And then you. You talk about how hard it is when you first move here. Do you remember the first time you really felt vulnerable in a writer's room? Because I feel like that's a huge thing. And you have a. You have pretty psycho coming out, where it's, like, upbeat, like you're bangers, but you've got some other songs that really cut deep. And I'm sure songs that your friends have put out that you've been a part of that. Cut deep. So take me back to, like, young Gracie. Like, first time feeling vulnerable, like. Like, really sharing your feelings with folks that you had just met.
[00:31:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, there's been a few. That was the hardest thing for me because I kind of grew up, like, you just, like, suck it up type thing. And so moving out here was an adjustment of being able to let people in and hoping it's not used against you, even. I don't know if you've ever felt like that.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: But, like, so I think sitting in those rooms, like, I have one song that's actually not released yet, but it's getting cut at the moment, and it's called Miss Independence.
And that was probably one of the first times that I was like, this is how I'm feeling. And I was talking to a couple of my friends.
Do you know Emma Place by chance?
[00:32:29] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Okay. She's a writer over there. And Kevin Monahan, he's awesome. And I was talking with them the other day, and I was like, sometimes we all go through it, but you just feel like you're, like, working. You're like, when's it gonna be like, me, you know? Or like, when's why did this store close? And so some of those songs, I feel like you find your people you trust, and then some tears are shed, and then some awesome song comes out of it. But I think Ms. Independent was probably, like, the most vulnerable song I've ever written, for sure.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: And is that about being an independent artist? Does that tie into the music story type of thing?
[00:33:02] Speaker B: Kind of.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: Or just in life, just kind of being a loner? What is it?
[00:33:06] Speaker B: Yeah, and so it's kind of more of like. Like, the chorus is like, don't want to fall because the drop may hurt. Like, don't want to feel because it may not work type thing. And I feel like that's always been me. Oh, I hit that sort of.
It's like having walls up and, like, walking around. And my mom finally, like, ripped me a new one. A year of being in town, and she's like, if you don't let people in, you're not gonna make lifelong friends in this town. She was so right. And so it was kind of like that. And actually was riding with Cali. It was one of the first times I wrote with Cali, and I was, like, breaking down, and she was like, hey, it's gonna be okay. And so we wrote this song, and it's both of us. Like, we listened to it all the time I was like, we've got to cut this place.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. Now, what do you like doing when you're not doing music stuff? Because this type, this industry takes up a lot of our time.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:33:50] Speaker A: We're on the road, we're recording stuff. You're doing media things like this. You're writing like so much. But what do you like to do in your free time?
[00:33:58] Speaker B: I love, like I said, I. I love going out, hanging with family, going to the lake. I'm a big lake girl. I love going on jogs, like being outside doing all that. We just, we grew up on the water doing that kind of stuff.
And also my family's super musical on my grandpa's side.
Have you ever been to Silver Dollar City?
[00:34:17] Speaker A: I've heard of it. I don't think I've been there.
[00:34:19] Speaker B: It's in Branson.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: It's like I've driven by it for sure.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: Okay. It's like mega, like hillbilly, like fun amusement park. So my great grandpa was the entertainer there.
[00:34:28] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So he was Buffalo Bud and the Horse Creek Band.
[00:34:32] Speaker A: Nice.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: And so. Yeah. And so I know long, long name, but yeah. So our family get togethers was always like playing country music.
So I think going back to Oklahoma, like going to Marland, which you've probably never been to Marland, but like going. Sitting out there and just playing music and going on the water, like, that's just kind of bring some peace.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: Do you have a lake or a river around here that you like going to? Because we have quite a bit of water around Nashville. It's not the beach, it's not the massive lakes that you have out in Oklahoma or Michigan or wherever. But there's. There's a lot of opportunity to get on a boat here in Nashville.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Yes. And I think like, like, you know, Smith Lake is kind of like, it's towards Alabama, but it's like kind of the closest one we found. A lot of them aren't more like rivers.
[00:35:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:17] Speaker B: But yeah, it's a little different because they're spidery, you know, and it's a little different. But yeah, we go out and my dad has brought like, come up and we've gone to the lake before.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[00:35:26] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: I miss it.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Yeah. It's in this time of year. You, I'm sure, really miss it.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: This is the time you'd be out there.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: Exactly. I missed the boat. Boat. Exactly.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: You missed the boat. There you go. Check it out. Stream it right now.
So what other songs do we. How many songs we got on the Pretty Psycho project?
[00:35:43] Speaker B: So there's five. So there's one called Miller Light, which I'm super pumped about.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: These are all fun songs. You're not kidding.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: No, they're all fun.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: They're all fun.
[00:35:52] Speaker B: One called Sorry Love Me When I'm Leaving and then we have Pretty Psycho and Miss the bit. So I'm pumped about it.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: That's awesome. And have you put out. You put. Have you put out eps and stuff before?
[00:36:03] Speaker B: This is my first ep.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: So this is your first project?
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Project.
[00:36:06] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:36:07] Speaker B: So singles I've been doing since 2020. But I was like, okay, I've got this compilation of songs. Like, it all feels. It meshes and it has the vibe I want. So I was like, we're doing this.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Now, talking about fgl, what was your. Because, because how old are you?
[00:36:21] Speaker B: I'm 23.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: You're 20. Okay. So you're. Well, I'm 31. So I've my. One of my first shows because I worked in. I had a college radio show and I got to do a lot of cool things working in. In radio, which is what let me down and wanted to be on radio. But now we're doing this, you know, it all worked out in the end. Yeah, but I remember. I remember.
So 2012 or 2011, when cruise comes out, you're like a bait. That was when you, like, started singing your Garth Froyo story.
[00:36:47] Speaker B: I know. I was like, when Cruise.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: No, but that's awesome. So, like, FGL had a big impact on you.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:36:54] Speaker A: That whole era of fun. It makes sense why your first project. Project is what it is. Like why Pretty Psycho is that.
[00:37:01] Speaker B: You know, that's the era we grew up in is like smoke. Like all of those songs and just they were entertainers, I think. Like, I loved going to concerts growing up when they were just all over the stage.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:12] Speaker B: And I mean, that.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: That era was that it was like big time craziness.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: Like they were bouncing off things. Like that was entertainment to me, you
[00:37:21] Speaker A: know, because even like the Aldean stuff, the Luke Bryan stuff, stuff of that era, early Thomas Rat, like, hey, girl, what you got in that cup? Like, it's just fun, you know? Like.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it was.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: It was the music. It was such a fun chapter.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: Oh, amazing. I know Early.
All my friends make fun of me because I'm like, I love Jason Aldi. Like early Jason Aldean.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Being an Oklahoma girl. Flyover states or Amarillo Sky. Those are like red dirt. Red dirt era. Like, if you're geographically located in the red dirt world. World. Like he's singing about your place.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Singing about flying over Oklahoma.
[00:37:55] Speaker B: Flyover States is in every one of my sets.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: I love that song. And it's kind of underrated. I feel like it's kind of one that everyone doesn't, like, bring up when they think of him.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: When you have like 40 number ones or whatever the hell he's got, like.
[00:38:07] Speaker B: Yeah, they get lost.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Because my first. Who was your first concert? You talk about, like, growing up watching those. You remember your first one?
[00:38:14] Speaker B: Honestly, I think what like.
[00:38:16] Speaker A: Or any early.
[00:38:17] Speaker B: I was gonna say when I earliest one, it was probably Jerks Bentley and Miranda.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: Oh, I think I went and saw that tour.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: Okay. Yes. And I saw them at the bok. And obviously I grew up in the era of, like, Taylor stuff, so I know we would go to all of her stuff growing up. But, like, I loved Miranda. Still do.
[00:38:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: But I begged my parents for those tickets. And I was like the nine year old in the Dirks Bentley concert. But. And my sister, I remember her getting so mad because this other there was like, my cousin, she's much older than us, but she was like, I love Dirks Bentley. And my sister was like.
She was like, I'm gonna marry him. And I was like, he's married.
No, you're not. But yeah, we love his music.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember seeing. Seeing him like, when drunk on a plane in that era came out, like when you come out in the pilot outfit, you know? Yeah. Like, those were good times.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: Good times. Yeah. And Miranda had, like, the shotgun microphone.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: I don't know if you remember that.
[00:39:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. She is such a baddie. She still is. But those were some of my first, like, memories of.
[00:39:15] Speaker A: Well, next time we do our Bro Country Night, which will probably be. Be before the end of the year, in the fall, we will definitely have you play.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: That night was bombastic.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: I know. I was so sad I missed it. I was playing another show and Cali was like, are you coming?
[00:39:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, it was CMA Fest week too. Like, there was a lot going on, but I mean, yeah, it was chaos. And normally when we do the butt Rock nights, when we're covering like, Creed and Nickelback and all that with the house band, those songs are all like four or five minutes. Yeah, bro. Country bangers don't go more than 315. So we had like 40 songs.
You have to fill three hours.
[00:39:47] Speaker B: That's so fun, though. The pictures looked amazing. Avery and then were cracking me up.
[00:39:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Because that's it. It's like, you can dress the girls. I think Grace Tyler maybe posted it like a text throw with some of the other girls and was like, are we getting cute or are we dressing like bros? And they all went like bros, which I thought was perfect.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: That's hilarious.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: I had a pair of Jordans. I had my FGL baseball jersey.
Yeah, I love it.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that's my kind of night. Yeah.
[00:40:10] Speaker A: See, there you go, bro. Country. That's my kind of night. There you go.
[00:40:14] Speaker B: Away from it.
[00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. And so what are you hoping people feel when they listen to Pretty Psycho? Like, what's your. What's your goal for how you want folks to. And again, it's all subjective to where everybody's gonna feel something different. But what's kind of. I know you've talked about, like, windows down type of thing.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: What do you hope people are getting from listening to your first project?
[00:40:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I just like. Like, we just talked about all those songs. Like, they're easy listens. It's like you can just turn them on and jam. And like, obviously I want him to listen to the lyrics and stuff, but I just want to be like, a vibe. Like, I want him to have fun. The world's so freaking crazy in times. Like, just enjoy it.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: Isn't it nice that we work in, like, this musical bubble?
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:40:52] Speaker A: We're not having to pay attention to the 24 hour news cycle or any of that stuff. Like, we're here trying to just create things and then support our friends who are also creating things.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:41:02] Speaker A: Like, I love being in our bubble. It sucks sometimes because there's, like, you miss stuff about back home and, like, you miss your. Your. Your friends and family, your loved ones. We were talking about the bagels earlier. My food. Like, there's things that I miss, but it's like how crazy the world is. We get to be a part of something that brings people emotion and feeling for a positive way.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Like, music is so important, and I feel like it's more important than it's ever been because people are in such a weird place.
[00:41:29] Speaker B: I know. And it's just kind of nice to, like, turn something on and you're like, this is just happy. Like.
[00:41:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: You don't even maybe know why. Or like, maybe you're just kind of like, vibing with it. But. But I was like, at Nissan the other night just watching people that weren't in music and how much they just love it.
[00:41:43] Speaker A: It's their escape.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: It's so cool to watch. Like, they just eat it up. And it doesn't matter what artist was playing because, you know, some people were there for specific artists. They're all just vibing to everything. And I. So I just, like, I put this ep, I was like, I just want to be fun. I want it to be my personality because I'm just like, I love, like, upbeat stuff and I love to joke. And I'm like, I just want it to be. Be a good old time.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: Yeah, that's awesome. And something I wanted to bring up, too. I wanted to thank you for being such an ambassador to our brand. Like, when I think of. Of guys or girls or musicians or whatever that have worn razor Audi hats on stuff, you've been one of our. One of our people that, like, you rock that camo hat so much. And if it weren't for folks like yourself, like, we're so big on being early adopters and being there for when guys and girls. Girls first come to town. So, like, seriously, if it weren't for, like, you and your squad, like, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing, you know, Like. Like, you guys have such an impact on us. We always get told, like, thank you guys so much. I'm like, for you guys writing the songs and playing the songs and putting out great stuff for us to talk about, then Nick and I wouldn't have anything to do. You know, I'd still be bouncing or babysitting people as a tour manager, you know, like, it'd be. It'd be a different type of thing. But seriously, of course, so excited for this project to get out there to the world and.
And I can't wait. It's going to be awesome for. I can't wait for you to start seeing people using the sounds when they're on their boats. I know when they're cruising in their trucks or they're hanging out in the bed of the truck or they're having those farm parties, all that kind of stuff. Like, it's going to be a soundtrack to somebody summer. Like FGL and Aldean were for yours.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: Yes, I know. I. That's. Tom Betchio wrote Sony was talking to me about that. He was like, these are, like, gonna be awesome sounds. And I was like, yes, that is the world we live in. And so I'm like, so thankful for that. But yeah, we're thankful for y' all too. We really do appreciate you and I do. I love me that camo hat all the time.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: Well, we're gonna get you. We're coming out with some new. We have some new stuff coming in. We're finally getting into, like, the custom headwear. Like, how. This is a. Which one? This is like an auto style cat. We're getting into where it's gonna say raise Rowdy on the inside and stuff. We're finally getting, Getting there. You know, like Nick and I, we're. We're getting. We're getting somewhere. You know, we're like, I think 80. I think you said the other day, we're 89. Legit. You know, like, it's like every day you get more and more legit. And you know what?
[00:44:03] Speaker B: You go until you make it. Yeah.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: And I kind of like not being 100 legit because then it's just more fun that way.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: I was gonna say, is anyone ever 100 legit?
[00:44:10] Speaker A: Like, no. Then they're not having fun.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: Exactly. They're not experimenting. He was cracking me up with his post the other day because he posted the shirt, like the new shirts for the festivals or something. The camera ones.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Oh, the camo with like the college text. Yeah, yeah, those are gonna go hard.
[00:44:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And he puts, don't ask me to save you one. And I was so close to being like, hey, you say anyone just to like, dig at him.
[00:44:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we're bringing those out. We're at like 15 festivals this summer. Like, I'm basically on tour again. Like, I used to be a TM and a merch guy. Like, that's what Ike and I are just gone. Nick's coming to some of them. He. He picks and chooses. You know, he's. He's got a. He's. He's a few years older than I am, so it's like we can't wear him out. You know, he.
But the ones that he goes to are like the four day, multi day ones. And it's like, you see what I do at the festivals. We were at Rock the Country together, and you see what Ike does. Nick's role. You're gonna love this. He goes by the title we call vc and that stands for Vibes Concierge.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Okay, I can see that.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: Nick is just vibes. Somebody's not having the best day. Nick goes over, brings the vibes up. Somebody's having the time of their life. Nick enhances the vibes even more.
He's. He's just the. Just like the. The fun big brother, the funkle. Like, he just goes out there and just has fun.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: He's awesome. Like, the sweetest person. But, yeah, he was cracking me up. And y' all were so much fun. I. We were exhausted, like, even sitting there, even though we didn't get to play, like, there's so much that goes.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: So much chaos.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: And you guys had gotten all the way out there, and then you had something back in Oklahoma after that, right?
[00:45:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So we had to head out, and I was like. Then the streets were flooded. It was like a whole thing. It was crazy. But we had so much fun. But I can't imagine what y' all are feeling. Feeling like.
[00:45:43] Speaker A: Because, I mean, it's. But there's worse things I could be doing. Like I said, I moved here and I was babysitting drunks and checking. Taking fake IDs from kids on Broadway. When I first got here, I was talking.
[00:45:53] Speaker B: You didn't take mine at some point. I guess by that point you were already doing race, Rowdy.
[00:45:57] Speaker A: But, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I mean, I have. I have a collection. I should start bringing them to the podcast studio because it's like my party trick out the house. When my boys come down from New York or somebody's staying. One of my roommates, friends, or whatever, I pull out. I probably got like three or 400 IDs.
[00:46:11] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:46:11] Speaker A: I only bounced for a year.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: That's hilarious. I've got every state I can, like, confidently say I never had mine taken. Which was.
[00:46:19] Speaker A: So what state was.
[00:46:21] Speaker B: Was Oklahoma. Okay. I don't know if this is, like, right, but they told me to do mine in my home state. And then I'm like, isn't that, like, wrong to do?
[00:46:30] Speaker A: Did it have the. Did it have your address? Yes. Okay, so away the shout out. We're going to reveal some behind the curtain bouncer bouncer secrets here now. Yeah. No, no. She is well of age. She's have that Surfside. We are good. Gracie is well above age. We're talking about the past expose facto. We're good. We're good.
But something that we would do. And my roommate at the time, Dakota, taught me this, and I was like, isn't it a little weird to do this? But he's like, no, man. This is how we're going to get him. You have a college kid and you ask him, hey, can I see your Facebook real quick? Oh, see, that about.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: See, I started music so young. My Facebook said I was 47 because it was my mom's birthday.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: Yeah, we would have. We would have said, oh, this girl. No, way.
And I would have had a Gracie Shriver, Oklahoma ID in my back pocket. Because we looked at him like you're killing a deer. Like it's a 10 or 12 point buck. Like we got a fake. I got a fake green card from Venezuela one time. Yeah, it's at the house.
[00:47:26] Speaker B: They went deep.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: I'll send you a picture. Yeah, well, they were. It was somebody from international.
So, like, how do I. How am I? How am I? How am I? How. As an 18 year old living in Central America, how am I gonna drink with my friends on this trip to America?
[00:47:40] Speaker B: I say green card.
[00:47:41] Speaker A: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have my real one to use at tsa, but I'm gonna have one that says I'm of legal drinking age to party.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: That's.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: Now it's in my binder at my house.
[00:47:50] Speaker B: No, I had two. And typically, I will say I probably just because I was like, please. But they like, the guys would look at it and be like, go have fun. Which I won't wrap them out.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Yeah. And it depends which bar too. Because Nashville's just so strict, Rick. Like, they are. You can get into a bar in Tuscaloosa or Statesboro, Georgia with a Pokemon card. Like they don't care. It.
[00:48:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: All down there. It's a different world. Or still water too. You know, it's a different type of thing.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: They don't care.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: Have you done the. The ice. The ice shot thing?
[00:48:16] Speaker B: I have not. No.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: But I did it. I. I did it with a shot of water. We went out. We went out to caf. Right. Nikki T. Was just slamming.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: He's hilarious.
[00:48:25] Speaker A: I don't know if they know about that. Explain. What. What tavern is that at?
[00:48:28] Speaker B: It's.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: It's at one of the bars, like in the heart, like near campus.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: Yeah. What.
What bar is the eyeshadows that. He's from that area too.
[00:48:36] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a bar. It's not. It's a Willies. Might be Willies or something with a
[00:48:41] Speaker B: W. I think it was the one that I played at that one time. I don't know.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: Very small stage. It's like where Garth used to play, like his early, early shows before they had him at the Tumbleweed.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: I did around there one time and I was probably like 15, so I probably wasn't doing that.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah, there's like. But I remember when we were out there for cat fry, we went out. We went out there the night before the festival started.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: That's hilarious. Yeah.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: Slamming ice on the ground. People had their dogs in there. It was a whole, like, not even on the leash. There were just bar dogs walking around.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: It's a. That town is, like, purely revolves around Tumbleweed in the school. Like, there's nothing else out there, which
[00:49:14] Speaker A: I love it for that Sigs inside at whatever bar that was not Tumbleweed anymore, but, like, they're just very old school like that. It's really cool. Have you got. Have you gotten to play at the. At the Tumbleweed since it's been going?
[00:49:26] Speaker B: So. Actually, they were reaching out to me the other day because they were like, you're old enough to, like, come in here now. I was like, yeah, I gotta go back. So I always went to Half Fry, but I think we're gonna go out later this year to Tumbleweeds.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: That'd be awesome. That'd be so full circle for you.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: I know. Yeah. Growing up, going there was so fun. And all those guys are just.
They're great and so. Always been supportive.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah, they've. I. It's funny, I have a bunch of Tumbleweed and cat fry merch from, like, years past, because whenever bands go through there, they hook them up with. With venue merch. But if there's leftover cat fry shirts or outside city limit shirts or any of those, they. They just give them to the band. Like, hey, you said you were a size medium. I got this 2016 cat fry shirt. You want it, like, from the back stuff? Yeah, I have one from one. Like, Coetzel and Parker and Turnpike all played in, like, 20. 2018. I think it was.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: I was gonna say I saw Parker play one time. I think it was more like 21 or something.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah. But, yeah, that's the best set I saw there from the one festival that I went to was Wyatt headline the. I think it was. It was Treaty Oak, headlined Thursday. Wyatt headline Friday, and then Ian Munson headline Saturday.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: That was recent.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: That was last year. Okay.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: I was gonna say, yeah, it was last year.
[00:50:33] Speaker A: And Wyatt just being the hometown kid, playing, like, watching him headline Friday night. And you could see how emotional he was getting. Because my first time meeting Wyatt was when I was working for Trey Lewis. And why. Why? It was the local opener. Wait, that's Wyatt. And I forget. I don't think it was one of the current members of his band, but it was one of the kids of the Great Divide.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: Somebody, because his dad is buddies with. With, grew up with the Great Divide guys.
[00:50:59] Speaker B: Okay, cool.
[00:51:00] Speaker A: Like, it's so still water.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: Yes. So still water.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: And it's just. It's wild. And it's crazy. So we got the project coming out, we got some shows coming up. What are the big goals now? It's crazy to believe we're halfway through 2026.
[00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I think honestly, like, I'm taking like, obviously going on tour like with a major artist would be awesome. And so pushing for that. We've done a lot. I do opening stuff, but being like solidified on one and then, I mean, I think my ultimate goal would be like stepping into the circle.
[00:51:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:28] Speaker B: At the Opry. Like that would be freaking awesome. I think the day I do that, I'll be like, okay. Like, you know, like that's just such a bucket list thing. So little things like that I'm just praying for and working towards.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: That's awesome. Well, you're well on your way.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: I'm trying. It's.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: And it's. And it's gonna happen when it's supposed to. Like we, like we said at the start of this, like, everybody's journey's different.
Everybody. It could be somebody that, that catches a bunch of social media buzz and then they already have success before they move here. It could be somebody that grinds for years. It could be somebody that's independent. Like I look at my muscadine bloodline guys and they're independent pioneers or treaty Oak. They're independent. Like it. Everybody's journey's different. And it's like you're running. It's like you're running a race and it's a long ass marathon. A long journey. But if you ever been to a horse race, they have blinders on when they're running.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:52:14] Speaker A: You got to have that and you look around to support your friends and, and see what's going on and get. Get ideas and collaborate with people. But it's important to just be the best version of yourself a million percent that you can be. You got to have the blinders for sure and be. Be authentic and do what you want to do. And I'm so excited for you and so glad that we got to do this and look forward to. To having you on more stuff in town, bro. Country. Anything we can ever do.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: You know your family broke country night. Yeah.
[00:52:41] Speaker A: Yeah. You pick, pick out whatever, whatever FGL or whatever stuff song you want to do and be awesome and look forward to having you on. We got to get. Get you on another razor outy stage.
[00:52:50] Speaker B: I know we got to do that soon. That would be so fun.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: We'll do that. Maybe, maybe if we. Maybe we'll end up doing something In Oklahoma next year. We can have a little hometown tie.
[00:52:59] Speaker B: Exactly. That'd be so fun.
[00:53:01] Speaker A: That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: Thanks for having me.
[00:53:03] Speaker A: Really appreciate you. We'll get you hooked up with a bunch of merch, too. I'm going to send you home with some surfside. You can bring it on. Bring it on the boat. Boat.
[00:53:10] Speaker B: There you go. And I will. You'll use the sound, and I won't have to just wear the same camo hat.
[00:53:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And we'll get you. We'll get you decked out. And I've got more merch at the house. We got a full line of new stuff. We'll get you and the team all hooked up with that. But thank you so much. Appreciate you. Y' all be sure to go check out our girl. Gracie Shriver. New project. Pretty psycho. You're gonna want to bump it. They're bangers for the summer of 2026. Go jam it out. When you're on the boat, riding around the truck or just hanging out, having a couple coffee. Go stream the stuff. And be sure to check out the rest of the catalog as well. And thank you again so much for coming on. Appreciate you all for my girl Gracie. I'm Matt Brill. This has been outside the RA I never been the kind for st One place for too long I ain't never been the best at sin I love you. To a girl I love Only got a couple tricks up my sleeve they usually just lay so if you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony maybe the drink and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony yeah.
