Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:12 What is going on? Everybody? Welcome back to the, in the Round podcast. You got Matt and Boudreau here. What's up? And we are hanging out over Skype with our good buddy. He's wearing a cowboy shirt, but I will not hold that against him. We've got Mr. David, Adam Burns d David. How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 2 00:00:27 I'm good man. That's, you know, uh, the, the Cowboys and Giants. That's kind of like a Razorback fan trying to talk smack foot to Alabama fan,
Speaker 1 00:00:34 So, well, you got, well you got an Alabama fan sitting right here next to me, so we got, we got both of those, but hey, we can agree. Screw the Eagles, right? We can agree on that. Screw the Eagles. And I ain't even, and, and I ain't even worried about the Redskins because they haven't done shit in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 00:00:49 That's, is that even a team? I thought they just kinda let 'em,
Speaker 3 00:00:54 And uh, we can both say screw lsu, right?
Speaker 2 00:00:57 A hundred percent.
Speaker 3 00:00:58 Yeah. And also Texas cause
Speaker 1 00:01:01 <laugh> Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:01:02 Yeah. Down the horns.
Speaker 1 00:01:03 Yeah. No man, but yeah, horn horns down. There you go. Um, but how are you doing, man? You're up, you're up in Oklahoma, right?
Speaker 2 00:01:10 Yeah, man. Uh, you know, my girlfriend is a nurse and so, uh, as soon as the, the quarantine stuff even started, it was pretty much told like, well, you're not leaving. So <laugh>, here we are.
Speaker 1 00:01:20 Yeah, no, we, we to, we totally, totally get that man. And big thanks to what she's doing with all this that's going. I know, it's, it's crazy times. And she's out there on the front lines being, being in the medical field. So big shout out to her. And all the, all the nurses, all the first responders out there, they're these crazy times, man. So originally from Arkansas, you lived in Nashville for a little bit. Um, back in, you said you got there 2007. What was Nashville like when you first got there?
Speaker 2 00:01:45 Way different. Um, yeah, I mean, it was a tourist town, but not to the, uh, extent that it is now. You know, it's like, you know, before we had to start, you know, I was kind of telling you about, you know, Broadway, you know, it was five bars on one side of the street, you know, between fourth and fifth, the Madness and the, the Bachelorette park and all that stuff. Yeah. It was, you, it was entertaining. It was a, you know, coming from Little Rock, it was a bigger town the way I was used to, but it was just kind of peaceful, quiet, you know, you'd show people around Music Row and they couldn't believe that all these little houses were music row. It wasn't, you know, the condos and the, the highrises and stuff it is now, but it, uh, you know, I, things grow happens. What it is, I definitely like the old Nashville heck of a lot better. It was just more of a close-knit community, but, you know, things grow.
Speaker 1 00:02:31 Yeah. Now being you're actually the first Texas guy that we've had on, I categorize you because you, you fit that mo that red dirt style with your music, and it seems like it's a, it's a spot that you claim and stuff. What's the difference between Nashville and Austin? Because I've never been to Austin, Texas, but I hear that's like the big music scene out that way for you guys.
Speaker 2 00:02:50 You know, and I'd be lying if I said I spent a lot of time there. I've got family there and I went to visit. Um, from what I hear, Austin is so much like Nashville and the fact that it's grown and it's just not what it used to be. Uh, I, I haven't really invested a whole lot of time there, but I mean, it's, it's same thing. You got your, your bars, you got your guys coming in, playing for a little to no money, hoping for tips and uh, you know, just a lot of tourists, you know. And even in Texas, you know, the town of Austin is really so much the, the two towns that I think really are the least Texas that I've ever been to are Austin and Dallas <laugh>. They're their own little places in Texas. Yeah. But, uh, it's, you know, the, the main thing I realized about Texas country and the scene in general is like, you know, in Nashville you go to one town and that's where it's at in Texas. Like there's different parts and that has its own, you know, you've got your West Texas over in like Lubbock, you know, San Antonio's got its own thing. Fort Worth kind of has its own thing. Um, you know, you get out to Stephenville, which has its own thing. So it just, it's, it's like a bunch of little mini Nashvilles throughout the whole state, I guess is the best way to say it.
Speaker 1 00:03:58 Yeah. Yeah. And what's, and what's the Texas scene been like for you in terms of touring? Cause a lot of guys and girls, they can make their, their whole career just touring around Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, cuz like, it's so big and there's so many places to play that like you, there's a lot of guys and girls. We don't even get to see outside of the, the Texas like that go outside of Texas. Like, we're just starting to see some guys that are starting to go out towards Nashville. And there's always been kinda like that rivalry between going back to guys like Wade Bowen and Randy Rogers that were Texas guys. And then you had guys like Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney coming up in Nashville. So what's it like go being involved in kind of both scenes? What's that been like?
Speaker 2 00:04:36 Well, I think I was lucky to, to go to Nashville first and really learn, um, you know, I think what separates me, myself from a lot of the different artists is that I've learned the business. I learned how to write with professional writers. I learned real production. So, you know, I I I've been able to move through the scene really, really fast. You know, I mean, I see guys that, you know, everybody thinks like Cody Johnson just popped up over night.
Speaker 1 00:04:59 Oh, he's been grinding for years. Better part of a decade. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:04 So, you know, as far as just getting the kind of dates and the tours and stuff, you know, been able to apply that to Nashville has really helped. But I, you know, I mean, really the differences, I mean, the fan bases in both are very extreme. Uh, I will say Texas's fan base is just, if they get behind you, they're there till the day you die. Now, the, like Nashville's a little bit, I don't wanna compare it too, too much, but now, like American Idol and the voice, like they're a diehard fan until the next season starts and they forget about that winter. Yeah. Nashville kind of had a little bit of that. What's hot right now, we're gonna ride you to the bank. We're Texas, you know, you can be a legend down there forever. I think that's the biggest, biggest difference. And you know, I mean, as far as industry-wise, you know, and, and I know this will probably be a question that comes up later of why go to Texas, but it just, Nashville, you have to chase with a label once.
Speaker 2 00:05:56 I mean, y'all seen it. You gotta go play a who's who game always compare it to high school. You, you gotta go out and, you know, I compare the labels to the hot girls in high school. Like, if, if one hot girl don't think you're, you're attractive, then what's wrong with you? Nobody wants you. We can't touch you. Well, that's the way Nashville is. You know, you can be the Chris Stapleton sitting in town for 20 years, but nobody signs you, so there must be something wrong with them. And I just got sick of my career being in other people's hands. You know, in Texas you go out, you tour and if you build a fan base and they like you, you make a living and you do it. And, you know, I, I just, I, I watched too many guys like Kevin Denny and, and you know, just even Stapleton till he took off, just guys like that, that were absolute amazing talents that Nashville just never bought into. And I just thought, why are we letting the gatekeepers determine if these guys are stars over some of the stuff that I just personally thought was me mediocre? You know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:06:51 Oh, absolutely. And a big thing too, it seems like Texans or the Texas scene very proud of their songwriting. You know, like there's a lot of guys, they're, they're writing most of their own, most of their own shit out there. You know, like guys, like co guys like Cody John, like guys like, like that, that style like that, that cowboy country where they're really telling the stories and stuff in Nashville. There's, there's, there was that disconnect for a while. It's starting to come back, it seems like where the songwriter ship is starting to starting to get there and there's pride in songwriting.
Speaker 2 00:07:20 Yeah. Well that's where, and I think a lot of it why I relate to Texas so well is that telling the stories and the songs, you know what I mean, I'm kind of the last of a dying breed as far as guys that came to town and like, you know, I mean, y'all seen it. Publishing deals are built on who's your circle? Who are you riding with? Who can we get easy cuts on radio with? You know, when I was there in the beginning it was, let's find the guys that we really believe in. We're gonna develop 'em, we're gonna put 'em in the room with the great riders, make them learn it. Its kinda like the old days of a quarterback, how they'd sit behind a great watch and learn before you throw 'em in the field. You know? That's exactly what happened with me.
Speaker 2 00:07:53 You know, I mean, I was in the room with, with Josh Thompson and Chris Young and then, you know, even Rodder wise guys that, you know, toue and, and Neil Cody and just Jason Matthews, all these guys that were heavy, heavy, heavy hitters that, you know, I'll be honest with you man, the first few years of my writing, I sat there, kept my mouth shut unless I had an idea or something worth saying and watched the pros go to work. And so, uh, that, that was the biggest difference is it's gotten outta where, you know, and I, I don't wanna sound like that jaded guy that's just dogging Nashville, but it just, oh, you've got a rich mom and dad, you can buy your way in. Or Oh, you had a YouTube video go viral. So it don't matter if you know how to even rhyme your words, we're just gonna give you a pub deal and throw your music out. And I don't know, it just, there used to be a standard before you had a chance to be heard. And, and I, I do miss that part of it, but I think that grooming that, that learning how to write and really truly craft a song has helped me as far as you know, what I'm doing here.
Speaker 3 00:08:50 Yeah. And you know, I think the, uh, the real downside to that whole thing of, like you said, you know, like you had a viral video or whatever, you had to hit singles. So now we're just gonna throw a lot of stuff at you in the long that happens in the short term, I would say in the long term. And to build a career off of music though, you do have to have that talent. And there is still, I I, we know some guys in town that, you know, moved there and they hit off quick, but now they're starting to get people around them that are, you know, grooming them and stuff like that. And, you know, it is frustrating. I've been there too with stuff like that, uh, being I came to town as a guitarist and you know, stuff like that happens, you know, the flashier guy gets the gig, but, you know, over a career. Um, I think that, you know, there is still some of that grooming in Nashville, but I, I agree with you. You know, there it has turned into a lot of that.
Speaker 2 00:09:43 Yeah. It, uh, and I think that's one in Nashville that really, you know, drove me kind of out of it was just, I, I don't care whose names on the song, you know, people all the time, did you write all your songs? And it's like, you know, for the most part of them, yes, because I didn't get picked anything I liked better, you know, I just, there's too many great, great songwriters out there not getting cuts. I mean, I talked to Michael White who, you know, I wrote my first number one beer bucket list with, and you know, he wrote the baby for Blake Shelton. He's had several number ones. And you know, when I talked to him last, he pretty much told me that he's done getting outta the business, you know, can't get a pub deal, doesn't know what to do, and the guy still cranking out songs that are absolutely amazing and it just, that's the part where it makes my heart hurt and I wanna see something change. And I'm glad to see guys like Luke Combs and some of these younger cats that are trying to just get great songs and make it better.
Speaker 1 00:10:36 Yeah, dude. Absolutely. Now talking about Texas, Texas is one of my favorite places to go on the road because one, um, I always say it, there's girls and then there's women in Texas. Texas, beautiful women also the food, um, I did not know what Bucky's was until going to Texas. Oh, insane bro. It is insane. And I didn't really, I, my first time having Whataburger was in Alabama, but having Whataburger in Texas, I can see why y'all are so proud of that.
Speaker 2 00:11:06 It's just, man, you know what's funny is I burned myself out on Whataburger when I first moved here. Cuz I literally just went off of it. I, I mean I remember back in Nashville, I had friends of mine that like we would go make a Sunday out of driving down to to to Birmingham to go to what Whataburger come
Speaker 3 00:11:21 Back. <laugh>. I've done that many nights. You leave after work and you go down and you get back before work the next day. I've done that many a times. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:11:28 Yep, yep. But man, yeah, you know, cuz I mean, I gotta say I've had the be best of both worlds. I mean I, Nashville as far as being a foodie is freaking awesome, but man yeah, I Texas, same way too, man. I mean it's different styles of barbecue, different styles of cooking. But I'm pretty sure I was a Mexican in another life cuz I could eat Mexican food every single day. Same,
Speaker 1 00:11:47 Same, same here, same here, bro. Although
Speaker 2 00:11:49 I, I do have to point something out, I have figured out, you know, because down in Texas, if you don't call it queso, they will quickly correct you. And uh, I didn't realize that Arkansas invented cheese dip. And so, uh, I'm gonna call
Speaker 1 00:12:04 It Yeah, I did. I called it queso growing up being in New York. And then I got down there and, and I remember having, having lunch with this guy when we were first starting to get to know each other. He was like, Hey, we'll we'll take a cheese dip. And I was like, what, what the hell do you mean a cheese dip? And then, then a thing of queso comes out. So I was wondering where that came from. So that makes sense that it's a southeastern like Arkansas thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:12:23 That's, I I didn't realize till this past year that actually started in Arkansas and we call it cheese dip. So for all you Texans out there, y'all are wrong <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:12:33 Love it. I, uh, there was a point in my life where I said I'm pretty sure my blood type is queso,
Speaker 2 00:12:39 <laugh> chips and salsa. Well it's, it's like that line, uh, with uh, you know, that song's tequila, salt and Time that I wrote with Shrimp wilman, you know, who knew living on chips and salsa, it could be so good for the soul. I mean, dude, it's true. Yeah. This whole quarantine thing I've been thinking about the day I can get back to a Mexican restaurant <laugh>. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:12:55 Same. Yeah. So what have you been up to? You've been out in Oklahoma. What, what have you been doing to get through all those quarantine stuff and what's it been like out in the Midwest?
Speaker 2 00:13:02 Uh, man, I have done a whole lot of becoming a chef and trying out things and seeing if it works
Speaker 1 00:13:08 Anything good. Have you come up with like something where you're like, whoa, I didn't think this would be that great. But it's, it's good.
Speaker 2 00:13:14 Not really tha I, I've tried different marinades and stuff like that, you know, cause I was always a grill guy. Well, we're doing the apartment living, so I've had to, to really hone my cast iron co, uh, skillet skills. So, uh, no, it's been more of that. But I've, uh, I never really did the, the online like Scott style writing. I've been doing that quite a bit with some cats and just kind of, I, I'll be honest with you man, I, I hate to say it, I've kinda looked at it as a, a two month vacation. You know, I've done a lot of online shows, but I mean, we've been hitting the road almost 200 dates a year, which, you know, you guys being with who y'all work with, y'all know exactly what that's like. So I, uh, you know, for me being the artist, you know, I don't, I don't have more than just my band.
Speaker 2 00:13:53 You know, I don't have a tm, I don't, you know, I've got a manager and me and that's it. And so, uh, you know, people always ask like, man, what do you do during the week? Why are you so tired? I'm like, cuz man, I drove y'all's asses there, played the show, drove us somewhat of the way home before I was about to pass out. Made y'all take the Will <laugh>, got back on Monday, had to call Vance, do the radio calls, you know, all the emails, all the booking, all that kind of stuff. So I mean, it's, I know my girlfriend thinks I'm the laziest son bitch right now, but I have literally just tried to take a two month vacation.
Speaker 1 00:14:22 Yeah. And that, and that's the way we've kind of been looking at it. That's the way a lot of people have been doing it. Have you been out hunting at all with it being hunting season?
Speaker 2 00:14:29 Man, not, not here cuz I don't have all my, you know, like where I'm from in Arkansas, duck and deer is kind of the main thing. Yeah. And so I, I still love Arkansas license, so you gotta deal with that. But like I said, the, the big, big thing is just, you know, with Lang being a nurse, I didn't wanna risk being out, you know, cuz you know, we, you're hearing that you can walk around with this virus for 14 days before you know you have it. So it was just one of them things where I, I couldn't take going out there knowing I was spreading it around by doing things or being around people.
Speaker 1 00:14:55 I gotcha. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. No, and that, and that's smart of you to be doing that because a lot of people, a lot of our, a lot of our buddies and a lot of our crew back in Nashville, they're, they're good old boys from Bama and Georgia and this whole time they've been just using it as time to be in the woods and be on the water, see how many fish they can pull out and see how many turkeys they can shoot
Speaker 2 00:15:14 <laugh>. Well we do got a pond out here out front, but that's another problem. All my poles and everything are in Texas. Like, oh, I, I commute to come up here and see my girlfriend. Yeah. I wasn't planning on living here for too much.
Speaker 3 00:15:25 Yeah, no, I get that. I, uh, I got ordered a couple of just Zep code 30 threes, just something cuz Matt doesn't really know how to fish. He's,
Speaker 1 00:15:32 I know, I know how to fish. I'm not great at,
Speaker 3 00:15:34 He doesn't know how to tie a lure onto a line. I believe
Speaker 2 00:15:37 That's another thing too, like I'm not one of them like high profile, like which lure, I mean like, dude, you can throw me a hotdog or worm or exactly trick throwing on the water and that, that's, you know, what I'm used to doing. So I, uh, I, I've got a, a company wanting to endorse me with some fishing gear and I was like, y'all do realize I've never used any of this stuff. Right. <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:15:56 But yeah, no, I, I just ordered some zip code 30 threes and like a simple like bass kit, you know, some purple worms, some stuff like that. Yeah. Some crawl outs. And I'm pretty sure there's a little pond here that I've been catching a lot out of. And I'm pretty sure I've caught every fist three times over in that pond.
Speaker 2 00:16:11 That's pretty awesome. Uh, it's, you know, Lang's family actually, they, they run a horse farm here. They're horse trainers and you know, Lang is actually the, a world champion for the Morgan Horse Association and stuff. So dope. A lot time when I've been off, I've been out there on the horse farm with them just helping with feeding and just, you know, hanging out or just, you know, that's, that's kind of been the outdoor, you know, like I said, we're, her place here is an apartment, so you can't really get away from people. So, uh, and you know, and then you're in a town that you don't really know. I mean that's, you know, I said I know how to get to her place and the horse farm and Walmart. That's about it. So <laugh>, that's
Speaker 3 00:16:42 Pretty much the situation we're in, in Delaware up here. So. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:16:44 Cause we're, yeah, cause we're, we're staying with some family that I've got up here and we've been up here for two months, like you said, it's weird not being on the road and it's kind of you, it's, it's a, it's a shitty situation, but looking at the positives, it's almost like a vacation. It kind of catch your breaths. So then the rest of the year when we can get out there, I know you'll be grinding. We'll be out there grinding on the road too and just, just going, man. And people are gonna be wanting to come out and see shows and it'll be a good rest of the year, you know?
Speaker 2 00:17:09 Yeah. I'm anxious to see, you know, I mean it's, I I'm not just completely convinced that we're gonna be able to get back and tour the way we were. You know, the first show we can potentially do right now is May 22nd. So we're waiting to see if that even happens. But I, the big thing that hurt us was, you know, I did this record, you know, I was in a legal battle with Silverado Records, trying to get my record back and spend all the money finally get it back. Okay. So we get everything, we get singles out and we finally gear up and we were gonna be releasing the record on May 22, which is when that show is. And that was gonna kickstart a five week album release tour. Well, you know, with me being an independent artist, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm robbing Peter to pay Paul as far as promotion and surviving week to week.
Speaker 2 00:17:46 So we decided, okay, well let's put off the record release. So now the dates we do have, were booked around that. And so it's just, everything's kind of up in the air right now. We just gotta kind of see and make sure it makes sense. But you know, we, I know we've got some runs in like Colorado and Wyoming and stuff like that coming up in July. They've all said we're on, so I know there's gonna be touring, but I'm just, I'm curious if it's gonna be the, the amount that, you know, we're used to. But yeah, I, I'm ready man.
Speaker 1 00:18:10 Yeah, dude. Um, where's your favorite place to go? Because there's, if you're touring 200 shows, you're all over the place. And I know with, with Texas, there's so many different places within the state of Texas, within Oklahoma. Yeah. But you're even mentioning Colorado, Wyoming, I'm sure there's other places that you've been.
Speaker 2 00:18:25 Man, you know, it's funny, people always ask me that about what's your favorite and I don't know if I can pinpoint a single favorite. I mean, obviously getting to go home is one of my absolute top, you know, cuz for one we can sell it out, you know, <laugh> a lot of nights, it's like the old Nashville days, you're still playing the bar staff and a few people, you know, I mean, we're still learning this scene and figuring it out. But, um, you know, green Hall, obviously, I mean, you can, that's just the iconic, you know, ca you know, I, I've gotten to play that now two times. And during the quarantine, I was supposed to play there again about two weeks ago. And so instead we did an online show with 'em. So that was kind of a cool takeover. But, um, you know, going down to Key West, you know, like last year we went up to Montana and did shows with Cody Johnson and Curtis Grimes.
Speaker 2 00:19:06 And like, we went out and hiked in Montana and went to like some of those waterfalls where the snow's melted. And like, you know, I, I'm not a fan of cold weather and cold water. And like me and Curtis and all of us got in that waterfall that was like 40 degree water. I mean, just doing stuff like that that you never do is pretty cool. But I love going to the small little, I mean, y'all, y'all can attest to this, you know, some of the just small little pod up towns that you've never even heard of that I've made friends for life in some of those places. And if it wasn't for music, I never would've, you know, Dothan Alabama is like a place that I remember we used to go and play all the time and I never would've heard of Dothan ever if it hadn't been for music.
Speaker 3 00:19:41 Funny. So, uh, basically the way like I got on with Muscadine, uh, coming up on a year ago. First run was May 31st, June 1st with them. So I got with them, but then we were searching for merch guy and I brought Matt out and one of the first runs that Matt got to do, we went to a town called Boaz, Alabama.
Speaker 1 00:19:59 And I'm from New York. So for me, I, I think maybe there's an entire like 500 people in the entire state of Alabama. That's my, that's my northern look on Alabama, places like Alabama, Arkansas, all that. So, and all, most of our guys, they're, they're like Gary and Charlie, they're from Mobile, Tyler's from South Alabama. Most of our guys are southern dudes. So for them, these Podunk towns, that's just part of the game. That's
Speaker 3 00:20:21 Where we grew up. You know, like I grew up in a town that's six streets, 36 houses, uh, elementary school and a pole mill. Like, that's it.
Speaker 1 00:20:28 Meanwhile I graduated with like 500 people all in the same town. Like, it's, it's different. Yeah. But Boaz, Alabama, that was a trip. We, I, I asked somebody at the meed, when I always get this, I always get, you ain't from round here, are you? Boy, I always get that on the road because I'm talking, I get my Yankee talker, I'm talking so fast. And I had one lady ask, I had to pull my, my my cross out. Some lady was like, do you know our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Are you one of them Jewish folks? And I was like, whoa. Like this is crazy. And then there were,
Speaker 2 00:20:58 That's like the opposite for me, like, you know, when I was first touring, you know, cuz I was notorious for like the songs about the south and southern and that and you know, and, and uh, with my first record deal, you know, a lot of people don't remember, but I had a song that was actually on the billboard chart number 62, Hey, hey <laugh>. And uh, but you know, we did the nationwide tour and you know, that was my first time going up to like Pennsylvania and New York and man, like you just have in your, it's kinda like Chicago, you picture the entire state of Illinois as, oh well that's what Illinois is. It's like, no, Chicago is just one little piece of it. Here's Illinois. And that's what I really learned about up there. And you know, that's one reason why you don't really hear a whole lot of like from the south, this and that, whatever my songs, it's just like man country's all over the place.
Speaker 1 00:21:40 Oh it certainly is. But it
Speaker 2 00:21:41 Was, I'll never forget you talked about the, the the Jewish thing though cuz I, uh, my first sold out show ever got to play. It was during that radio tour and I was with Chris Young up there in uh, uh, oh what was the town? Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 00:21:55 Oh, that's the Amish.
Speaker 2 00:21:57 And yeah. And that was the stuff. And it was during that time period, you know, where they're allowed to go out into the real world and decide if they wanna stay in the, the village or whatever. And so they're all kind of warning me about that. And like, everything that could go wrong with guitars going out, batteries dying, someone like, you know, there wasn't really a row cause it's mosh pit style just standing only. But if there was a third row, somebody drops in the middle of the second song <laugh>. So yeah, it's, uh, I've experienced all that stuff and uh, that's, I can't remember how the heck we got started on this, but nonetheless,
Speaker 1 00:22:27 L l lang. Yeah. So was that like culture shock for you going up and seeing, being up north and like seeing some different things?
Speaker 2 00:22:34 Man, it it, it was, but it wasn't like it really felt at home when I got there. It was just, it wasn't what I was expecting. But you know, like even in New York, uh oh, what is that town? It's a few hours outside of the city, but it's a very, very country. Monticello, New York.
Speaker 1 00:22:48 Yep. Yeah, yeah, I know right where that's at.
Speaker 2 00:22:50 I used to go up there with the station Thunder Country. Yeah. Know, I I did their birthday bash every year for what, four or five years in a row. And like that's the stuff where I talk about, you know, places you never thought you would've been or would've ever heard of that I met some of the greatest folks that I still talk to. Did you,
Speaker 1 00:23:05 Did you go to the casino there?
Speaker 2 00:23:07 Yeah, that's where the uh, the the racetrack deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:23:09 They got, it's a, they got, so it's a, it's a horse racing track and a casino all in one. That's how Oh wow. That's how we lose all your money real quick. That's, that's how up in New York, that's where they put the casinos is they put 'em where the horse tracks are cuz then it's like one gambling facility. Cause they still frown upon that. Whereas you got other places, like you're driving down the highway in a place like Oklahoma and you can pull into a gas station. They got slot machines and shit. Oh,
Speaker 2 00:23:31 Everywhere. Everywhere. That's <inaudible>. They just got 'em sitting in the bar. You go walk in a dive bar and there's four slot machines and people will show her <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:23:40 Yeah's over there with throwing in
Speaker 2 00:23:46 So much for that 401k. Granny <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:23:50 Speaking of 401k, what are your cowboys gonna do with Dak Prescott? What the hell's going on? Man,
Speaker 2 00:23:56 Man,
Speaker 1 00:23:57 Because I love, I love to see the turmoil as a Giants fan. I love that there's, there's chaos in Jerry world right now. I love it.
Speaker 2 00:24:03 There's always some kind of drama I if they're gonna get something done and inside I I I just don't see how they don't, I mean, we knew the big problem was the salary cap and there was a lot of guys to get paid. That's one reason why I was so furious last year. I mean, I'm sorry, but there's no reason Dallas should not have been a Superbowl contender and made a, a playoff run. I mean, that was the team we've been waiting on
Speaker 1 00:24:24 With your weapons too. You've, you've got a receiver named Marty Cooper. You've got one of the top running backs. You've got a great defense. You've got Dak who seasons now he's, he's played long enough. He knows what the hell he's doing. Like I,
Speaker 2 00:24:36 You know, I mean I I love Dak. I'm a true Dak fan, don't get me wrong. But he's also asking for money for somebody that's, you know, Brett far or something. Like, he hasn't proven anything to me that he needs a huge payday. Like I think it's genius for Dallas to franchise tag him, put these weapons a new coach, go, there's no excuses. You wanna get paid like that, go earn it this year. And Exactly. You know, I get it, you know, there's money. I mean, I get it in the music business, I'd probably be playing the same hard ball with the record deal. So, you know, business takes over and that's what I hate about it. But it just, I don't know, man, when I hear dudes griping because they want 50 million instead of 20 million, I'm like, man, I'd be good with just like, you know, 4,000 and would you quit bitching and just go play some ball <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:25:18 They're playing football for the Dallas freaking cowboys. Like, what more do you want? Like, you want fif like what difference does that make? That's, that's a dream gig.
Speaker 2 00:25:26 Great. Quarterbacks, the great quarterbacks always get money outside of the game. I mean, for me it's, I I don't, I've always been about winning. Like I don't care how much money I've got, it's, if I can, I don't know, money's just never been that big of a thing to me. Yeah. I could live off nothing. So yeah, I, I feel like if I was a quarterback I'd be like, man, lemme go do a few commercials, make sure we get me some weapons, let's
Speaker 1 00:25:45 Go. Yeah. Is it, is it gonna be weird seeing Jason Whitten in another uniform this year?
Speaker 2 00:25:49 That's the one that hurts me the most man. Like, he
Speaker 1 00:25:52 Was y'all's guy. Like, like he was your guy.
Speaker 2 00:25:56 I mean, I get it. We couldn't afford to keep paying him, but it's just like, I don't know, just give him a wheelchair and let him go run a few routes
Speaker 1 00:26:04 <laugh>. Yeah. I, I feel, I feel that and it's, it's been weird not seeing Eli for the Giants, which Eli was like my guy growing up. I mean, I wish we could have put, if we had an offensive line that was half as good as y'all's offensive line, Eli would still even just half as good. Eli would still be playing. But it's
Speaker 2 00:26:23 No, I mean his years are up there. I mean I've always respected Eli, you know, cuz I'm one of 'em too. Like a lot of people when I hate on Brady or hated it on Manning or whatever, and I'm the kind that's like, dude, like of course if it's Sunday and they're playing my team, screw them guys. But like, appreciate the greatness. Like how often do you get guys that come along and like, I don't know, I I don't think him and Peyton are on the same level, just no. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:26:44 Peyton. No, of course not. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:26:46 Of the game. But it's how he could literally sit there and pick apart the defense every play. But there's no denying that Eli's are great and I hated seeing him go down the way he did. I mean, as a Cowboys fan for the Giants, I I was laughing and loving it.
Speaker 1 00:26:57 Oh, of course.
Speaker 2 00:26:59 But for the sake of an icon and a player, you kind of just look at it and go, man, come on.
Speaker 1 00:27:04 Yeah, yeah. No, so I mean hopefully you're, I mean, I'll say it cuz we're being friendly right now, but hopefully your cowboys, they they do as good. They do great, but not as great as my giants, which I don't think the, I don't think even, I don't think the giants are quite there yet. We're, we're in that deep rebuild mode
Speaker 2 00:27:18 Then you're, you're running back. Y'all gonna have to get a few more pieces there. I I I still don't even look at y'all from Brett yet. So
Speaker 1 00:27:23 <laugh> Yeah, we're, yeah, we're not the team that we were, which is frustrating, I think
Speaker 2 00:27:27 Had Redskins. I was kind of thinking, ain't that where the Giants are too. But you
Speaker 1 00:27:31 Know, Hey, we're not quite, I mean, they, they picked before us. They picked before us this year. It was two pixels before us.
Speaker 2 00:27:36 I'll tell you what man, that the, was it, uh, Riviera, is that his name? The, the old Panthers coach that just took Overa
Speaker 1 00:27:43 Rivera? Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:27:43 Riviera. Oh yeah, Rivera.
Speaker 2 00:27:45 That scares me. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:27:47 Yeah, that dude is s I'm a, I'm a Falcons fan, so I've seen that dude for a while now. And he is, he's, he's like, oh, uh, Les Miles down lsu, he can just pull something outta the back pocket and you're like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 00:28:00 Yeah, I I I'm not gonna lie, man, I'm, I'm a little worried for the division sake of that one, but yeah, if, if the Eagles would just roll over die and like never be seen again, that'd make me happy. So
Speaker 1 00:28:09 You and me both brother, you and me both for sure, man. So, um, so as far as 2020 now, what was, what's kind of the plan? You said you got the record that's, um, that you guys are getting ready to put out. What's that whole process been like going in and, and working on a record now, getting ready to release it to the world?
Speaker 2 00:28:25 Yeah, I mean, it's been chaos, you know, uh, I don't know how much you guys know the backstory, but that was a lot of the deal too was, you know, that first record publishing deal that I'd signed. Um, it was cool cause it got me in a lot of doors that I shouldn't have been in so early, but I was also one of them young hungry, two hungry kids that, you know, signed bad contracts. And I found myself every day, every year after that having to try to get back above water because of the damage it did. And so it led me to when Silverado Records came in and wanted to do a record deal and my team decided, you know, man, like we're, we're doing as much as we can do with no help. Like, it's a free record, we should take this. And I never wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 00:29:04 I had a bad feeling about the guys and the deal in general, but we did it. So I, I'm wanted, I try to find the positives, the positive is that I had been riding with Trent Willman and it got me the chance to finally get in the room and potentially do a record with Trent. So that was awesome. And you know, for so many years in Nashville I had been told, you know, you're too country. And I'm like, last time I checked it's called Country. Let's kick these pop kids the hell out. But <laugh>, uh, I, uh, what was cool about it was a lot of the songs that were quote unquote too country all those years for me to record ended up on this record along with some of the newer stuff. And so making the record was amazing. I mean, it, it was, it was the first time I ever worked with someone that truly got me.
Speaker 2 00:29:45 You know, I mean, it, it's Trent like the big brother. I never knew I had, you know, I mean I, man, you hear fiddle out there, I absolutely he hear fiddle right there, you know, and it's, both of us were on the same wavelength. So it, as far as just the team's asset, I was so excited about this record. And then, you know, he opened up the door to Cody Johnson for me to do some dates with, which led to more dates with Stony LaRue and Aaron Watson and uh, uh, Josh Abbott and all these other cats that all encouraged me to move to Texas. So here I've got this record. Then I decided, okay, well let's go move to Texas. So everything's kind of put on hold. We put out the first single beer bucket list. I mean, it goes to number one, from what I've heard, it's the first time a debut single in Texas has ever gone the number one.
Speaker 2 00:30:30 And then Silverado starts showing their true colors. I end up in a record label lawsuit. I can't put out music for eight months. I'm touring and just watching everything that I built just do this, finally get the record back out of the lawsuit, put out another single, we start doing this, get a second straight number one, we get the record ready to release, we're getting ready for the home run single and then Coronavirus <laugh>. And so it's just, yeah, it's one thing after another of getting this record out. So it's, it's been an emotional deal, but I mean, this is the record I've waited my entire life to record. You know, I mean, you hear people all the time say, yeah, record's got three or four singles and then, you know, no, I made sure that every single song on this record was worthy of being a single. So, um, I don't know what we're gonna do, man. I know we're gonna go and start pre-sales on May 22, which is when the record was, you know, to come out. But, um, we've got a whole lot of planning. I mean, a lot of it comes down to when can we tour? Cuz you know, guys like me that don't have the financial backing for promotion, we need that tour to get the record out. So, um, I know I took a really long route to answer your question, but
Speaker 1 00:31:36 No, you're good. No dude, we, we,
Speaker 2 00:31:37 I really have no clue what the hell we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 00:31:39 No, dude, we, we, we love that. Now, growing, growing up, who were some big like people that you were jamming out to? Because with your, with your style, I, I get, I can hear like the George Strait and like the cowboy shit and that, but I'm sure that you were getting some, some other things like that nineties country that was coming out of Nashville and things like that. It's probably rock and roll
Speaker 2 00:31:59 A little bit. You know, I, I never really was into rock and roll, but I was into guys that were inducing it to country. Um, I grew up in a house where it was country or bust. I mean like literally we didn't listen to nothing. You know, I think that's part of why I'm so stubborn. I'm not liking this whole rap and hip hop and all this other crap thrown in our genre. Um, George St. Drake was my hero. My folks took me to see him when I was three at three years old. I said that's what I wanna do. I was putting on concerts pretending I was dusty, you know, on the back porch like that, that little viral video of that kid that walks out and does the whole thing. Yeah, I, I was laughing my butt off cuz that was literally me at five years old.
Speaker 1 00:32:34 <laugh>. That's great. But
Speaker 2 00:32:35 Uh, but yeah man, I, I mean I grew up in the, the nineties hat act thing, you know, know Mark Chestnut, Tracy Lawrence, red Akins, Rick Trevino, Wade Hayes, Darryl Singletary was a huge influence of mine. But I mean all Joe Diffey Shannon, no, I mean all those guys that that really were just putting out great songs in the nineties and stuff and you know what I mean, Darryl Singletary was another huge, not just influence, but like a mentor. You know, I met him and knew him over the years and you know, y'all see it in Nashville. I mean it took me moving back to Texas or not back, but moving to Texas to put my wranglers and my cowboy hat back on and say, you know what, screw this. I'm doing it my way. I mean at one point my hair looked like hide off that seventies show I'm wearing clothes I never would've worn.
Speaker 2 00:33:19 And I mean, I'll never forget the day that I'd just gotten outta that first record deal. It was kinda like in that, what the hell do I do now mode? And uh, I ran into Darryl Singletary down in Panama and he just looks me up and down and goes, what in the hell are you doing boy <laugh>? And I'm like, coming to see you. And he goes, no. He's like, you're one of the only kids that had faith in me for country music and this ain't it. Like get back to your roots. So, you know, it's a lot of that stuff and you know, like Tracy Lawrence and Diffy and them, I mean they really had a good rocking edge to their stuff. So I think that's probably where my deal comes. But I don't know, I just, it, it's funny because when I was in Nashville all those years, you know, people would claim they're kind of traditional country or you know, just country country. But it always seemed really outlawed. You know, I remember when Chris Stapleton came out as an artist, everybody's like, oh, traditional country. And I was like, sounds kind of blues to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:34:10 Which, which is still great, but it's not necessarily the country country.
Speaker 2 00:34:14 But I just, I never felt like I fit in anywhere. You know? I mean I remember when that whole Luke Combs thing was flying up, like even all those guys, you know, a lot of them, you know, I had the chance to write with and stuff and at the time y'all, I was touring so much and writing for myself, which I'm kicking myself now for not jumping on those opportunities. But even then I never really, I was like, this is still just not really what I'm trying to do. And it wasn't till I got to Texas that I finally realized, okay, where's Chestnut from? Where's George Strait from? You know, Tracy Lawrence, he's from Arkansas, but he is right on the line of the two. They were all Texas. And I really understood now while they used to call it Country and Western because the style that I come from really is more Western music and you know, playing the NFR out in Vegas with all those cowboys and you know, even now dating a girl that's really tied into the cowboy scene, it just, it's kind of one of the things I looked and go, no wonder it never worked for me because I was in an identity crisis.
Speaker 2 00:35:05 I didn't know I was trying to do this style of music, but I didn't know who wanted it and how to portray it. You
Speaker 1 00:35:10 Know? Yeah. That could be a tough thing for, for an artist and especially like the years that you were in Nashville, I'm trying to think of like what was really going on in that point. So like you figure like the bro country that that bro country phase, um, that really started, that started, that started like 20 11, 20 12. And I used to work in, I used to be a DJ for a country radio station in New Jersey. So I was always watching it on like the outside looking in and seeing. And I always had real appreciation and love for the traditional stuff I grew up with guys like Tim McGraw, Toby Keith. Yeah. Which I know is where it started, the transition from the nineties to what we have now. Right. But that I can see where you'd have that identity crisis and especially like not necessarily fitting in with what was coming off of that bro country, which is short for Broadway country, like that pop infused, all that shit. I can, I can totally understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 00:36:01 I was talking to somebody you know here a few weeks ago and it was kind of funny cuz you know, when I first came to town, Kenny Chesney was the villain that beachy thing and all that stuff. Well that ain't country you, I mean, God, I'd give anything to hear just Kenny Chesney songs on the radio instead of what we're hearing now. But, uh, then it was like big and rich and all just the weird rock and freak show stuff. And then all of a sudden the Luke Bryan, Jason Al Dean thing is kind of taking it to the other level and then insert Florida, Georgia line. And like right as I was leaving is when the whole Sam Hunt thing came out. And you know, it's, it's one thing you'll hear about me. Like I'll never dog the artist, man, if you're selling millions and doing your thing, do your thing. But like somebody like Sam Hunt, I just, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. He's a great artist. He should be a star, but not in country music. Tell me what part about that is supposed to be country music.
Speaker 1 00:36:50 Yeah, I understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:36:52 I mean like that old town road, I mean, I'm gonna get some flat for saying this, but I don't really give a shit <laugh>. How about me dress in baggy clothes as a country dude and go sing a rap song about Compton Country style and call it rap and see how that works. It just, yeah, I'm sorry. It's horses shit like
Speaker 1 00:37:12 Yeah. So yeah, so, so funny story about Old Town Road. So are you big on Twitter? Do you go on Twitter at all?
Speaker 2 00:37:18 Yeah, I'm on all of it. Twitter's the one I can't seem to figure out
Speaker 1 00:37:22 <laugh>. Okay. So, so with Twitter, so I'm not really on it either. Shout out to that mug real quick. We saw that mug earlier. The um, yeah, he's, he's got, David's got a, um, got a teenage mu ninja turtle mug. That is awesome that we're looking at us big and green. Big a big green Ninja
Speaker 3 00:37:36 Turtle. I think it's green. I'm color blind, who
Speaker 1 00:37:37 Knows. Yeah, he's color blind. He, he, he can't see, he can't see shit. But, um, but he's got, so Boudreau here, Tyler, he's got the uh, he's got a few Twitter troll accounts and one of the accounts got banned for going after
Speaker 3 00:37:49 Permanently from Twitter.
Speaker 1 00:37:50 He went after Old Town Road so hard as this Twitter alias.
Speaker 3 00:37:54 Oh man. It was, and
Speaker 1 00:37:55 He got banned and flagged
Speaker 3 00:37:57 <laugh>. Yeah, I mean I didn't
Speaker 2 00:37:59 Early enough for the not Jake Owen thing.
Speaker 3 00:38:02 I I was around, I
Speaker 1 00:38:04 I've the, not Jake Owen.
Speaker 3 00:38:05 I heard about it, but I was not like in country. So like I've learned about it a little bit more like last year, but I I know what you're talking about. What,
Speaker 1 00:38:13 What happened with that?
Speaker 2 00:38:14 That was the original troll, like social media of any kind.
Speaker 1 00:38:19 Like Oh, it was a Twitter account? Yeah, yeah. Okay. And
Speaker 2 00:38:21 It was called Kate Bowen, not Jake Owen. And I mean it called out any and everyone and it was rude. I mean like labels were trying to like hunt ip, you know, IP addresses to have it shut down and stuff. I mean it was
Speaker 3 00:38:36 Ruthless. Well there was the same one that came out a few years ago and uh, it was more around my time. It was called Sam Hunt's Bass Player. Yeah. And they, they actually got, they got that one taken down. They figured out who it was and got that one taken down. Geez. Really?
Speaker 2 00:38:50 Yeah. You know what's funny is I remember getting followed by that account and I didn't know the whole, I just, I'm one of them. If I don't like something, I'm just not gonna give it my attention because I am the kind that just fuels me up, pisses me off. But I'm gonna be like, I, I'm like a, oh what's Jeff Dunham, the angry little doll? Walter. Walter?
Speaker 1 00:39:09 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:11 I am a mixture of Red Foreman and Walter. I'm pretty sure I was not missing generation.
Speaker 1 00:39:15 That is awesome.
Speaker 2 00:39:16 So I'm just, I'm the kind that like I'll get too fueled up over something so I ignore it. But I remember getting followed by that and I was like, I don't give a shit about no Sam Hunt bull crap. And then I find out that like, it's a parody account cause he doesn't have a bass player. And I was like, oh, I missed that on that <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:39:29 Yeah. Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Yeah, they uh, they got that one taken down. But yeah, no, my, my one troll got like permanently banned from Twitter for all eternity because of the final strike was Old Town Road. There was some ones before that, but the final strike was Old Town Road. Um, I, I have a good one now that I mostly go after like Ohio State and Big 10 Football teams. Yeah. Yeah. He,
Speaker 1 00:39:52 He, he goes after the, the other conference football teams and he yells about how great the s e C is
Speaker 3 00:39:57 And how, but it's funny because I go after it and I don't have any affiliation to anybody cuz obviously it's a troll account, but it doesn't look like a troll account. It looks like a real person's account. Like, I still like randomly go on there and like tweet like, you know, what was
Speaker 1 00:40:09 The thing you did today? You put one out that was good today.
Speaker 3 00:40:12 Oh, did you see the new Willer Walker Jr video today?
Speaker 2 00:40:17 No. I guess I didn't even know there was one, but I gotta see
Speaker 1 00:40:19 This. So yeah, he put out a new, a new song today, um, it's called Go Big or Go Home. And it's about going home with a bigger girl and, and the Twitter, the, the account, what the account says,
Speaker 3 00:40:30 The account was like, didn't know my ex starred a Willow Walker Jr. Uh, music video, music video or something like, like, like I just tweet like funny stuff like that or stuff that I don't wanna say on my own Twitter. Like I just go on that Twitter and I'm like, you know, man, I wish they made, uh, toilets that were soundproof that would really help write about now <laugh>, you know, like just stupid stuff. So it looks like a real one. But then all of a sudden, like the funny one was during the Michigan, Ohio State game, I was just trolling Ohio State like crazy. Like these refs are cheating. Like F o Ohio State, Ohio State sucks, like all this kind of stuff. So everybody thought I was a Michigan fan, so like the alumni, like legit alumni people start coming after me and it was hilarious. They went on for like a week where I was just like blowing people up. Like
Speaker 1 00:41:14 I was just getting screenshots every day. He was texting me, he was like, look at all these Ohio State folks. It's like Ohio State Football Alumni Association. Like, it's like a blue, like it's like a verified account and they're just going after him. And it was, I was like,
Speaker 3 00:41:26 There's one guy I was like, like every time he would respond and I was like, that's cool man. Must be great to look like a thumb <laugh>. Like that was the only thing I ever said to that dude.
Speaker 1 00:41:35 <laugh>. Yeah, he, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, Twitter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:41:38 Like that's, you know, it's funny because there's people like Blake Shelton, like, I don't know how long y'all around watching him, but you know, I mean he had had number ones and was an artist, but it wasn't till him on Twitter running his mouth and just not giving a shit before that. I mean, that's when he just boom and then the voice comes
Speaker 1 00:41:54 When, when he showcased the personality. And that's the thing now Twitter gives people a chance to showcase the personality and it's, it's them without the labels telling them what to do. They're, they're being them, they're being real.
Speaker 2 00:42:05 And I just, and that's the thing with me, like I feel like I probably could get a lot bigger following if I would just speak my mind. But then again, I know me speaking my mind would be Rio Shield, so I'm just kinda like,
Speaker 1 00:42:16 Well a guy. Yeah. See a guy that we like or a guy, some of the guys that we're buddies with on the Texas scene, one of 'em is a guy named Co Wetzel, who I know is very, who I know is like, that's not necessarily the, the country Country, but is doing his thing and really
Speaker 3 00:42:30 Texas rock and roll as
Speaker 1 00:42:31 He calls it. Yeah. It's like a Texas rock and roll. Him reads South Hall. A lot of those guys. Yeah. And CO's Twitter account, he tweets the most random, crazy. It's exactly what you think co wetzel would be thinking at three o'clock in the morning when he is in a bottle of Yeager or something, you know? Right. So like, but the fans love that. So maybe you should put some tweets out. I'd be, I'd follow you. I'd I'd be on there.
Speaker 2 00:42:52 I think the hardest part for me, and I mean it's, I'm gonna sound like the old, I'm, I'm like a 50 year old dude and a 30 year old body, but it's just like, man, I was in my twenties, I did all this stupid stuff and it's like, now I've kind of matured. You know, we don't even really drink a whole lot on the road. And it's just like, for me it's, I don't know, it's like, I don't know what to say to these people. <laugh>. It's, uh, I don't know. I, I probably should a little bit. I just, I come from that cloth of I've got my political views, I've got my views on stuff. Oh
Speaker 1 00:43:18 Yeah. Oh yeah. You don't gotta go political and stuff, but just like, funny shit. Like, like even you with like the Ninja Turtles more like that, that's character. You, you talking about the cowboys and shit. Just like funny shit, you know, like I, I I think you could all, you can offer some funny things on Twitter.
Speaker 3 00:43:31 Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 00:43:32 Basically just give me a bottle of whiskey in my Twitter and I'll let her rip it. Just, uh, <laugh> I
Speaker 1 00:43:39 What, what town that you've been in has the best food. Cuz we were talking about you being a foodie. We're both foodies too. I, I like the picture.
Speaker 3 00:43:45 I have, I have a food Instagram page. I don't <laugh> I don't know if that's how you, you followed either my food Insta or my actual in instant, I forget which one it was. That's how we like, kind of found you and everything. But yeah. Uh, I actually have like a food Instagram page. Like that's, that's how we roll.
Speaker 2 00:44:02 I, uh, man, I don't know if I can pinpoint a single pla. I, I will say like, there's territories or places that have places that are be like, I have yet to find catfish better than around where I'm from. Like, I, I'll go to all these places like, we got the best Catfish and then you eat it and you're like, no. You know, um,
Speaker 3 00:44:20 No, I, I get that.
Speaker 2 00:44:22 Um, like even Mexican food, like for even TexMex, I don't know, to me like, I mean I guess there's a difference in the TexMex and stuff, but like, you know, even I like some of those hole in the walls outside of Fort Worth than I do e you know, like the Gar Garcia's place and all that. It was good. But I was like, man, this this little place in Granbury that was right by my house. I thought it was 10 times better than that. So, I don't know. I, I, I tend to be the uh, show me the place nobody knows about kind of guy.
Speaker 3 00:44:49 Yeah. What was your favorite place to go in Nashville?
Speaker 2 00:44:52 Oh man. Uh, there were several, uh, as far as like your states and that kind of stuff, you couldn't beat Cane Prime, which you only went there a couple times cuz I wasn't footing the bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:45:04 I was gonna say we're, we're bowling on the budget guys too. So we're, we're right there with, we haven't there yet. We're right there with you
Speaker 2 00:45:09 For Mexican food. The best one was, uh oh. What is the name of that place? It's, I mean, it's like straight up Texas Mexican food. It's over kind of east. Um, well I can I, I mean think of the name of it. So,
Speaker 3 00:45:23 Uh, rose Pepper.
Speaker 2 00:45:25 Yes. Rose
Speaker 3 00:45:25 Pepper. Yeah. Yeah. Rose Pepper's really good.
Speaker 1 00:45:27 He just knows every boro here knows every fucking Mexican food.
Speaker 3 00:45:30 If Matt, we, we can seriously be in anywhere in Nashville. Matt's like, dude, I'm hungry. I'm like, you want Mexican? And he's like, yeah, we're somewhere close and I can get you to somewhere within a half mile of where we're at. That's good to Mexican food because
Speaker 1 00:45:40 There's Mexican food just everywhere. It's a southern staple.
Speaker 2 00:45:43 Like, you know, here's my deal. I couldn't do what they called the hipster tacos. If I'm gonna go and spend six bucks a piece on a taco and it's that big round, you're gonna leave me being pissed off. But
Speaker 3 00:45:51 Yeah, same.
Speaker 2 00:45:52 I did like, uh, taco Mamacita a lot.
Speaker 3 00:45:54 Yeah. Taco Mamacita. Did you ever do, uh, what was it? Moss Tacos. Por ovo.
Speaker 2 00:46:00 What was in that one? I can't remember.
Speaker 3 00:46:02 Moss Tacos, por war. They're like really like traditional like tacos. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's right across the street from the pharmacy.
Speaker 2 00:46:10 No, cuz only I, in fact, I only went to the pharmacy one, which, you know, everybody raised about their burger and I thought it was good. But the best burger in town is at the tavern.
Speaker 3 00:46:19 Really? Yeah. The Tavern does have a good, my favorite's. Gabby's
Speaker 2 00:46:24 Gabby's is good. Yeah. I, I do like ga
Speaker 3 00:46:26 That's the place we were talking about the other day that I couldn't remember the name of. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:46:29 Gabby's. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:46:30 The, the old original Sound stadium. I, the last little bit of time that I lived in Nashville, I lived right by there. But, and then I always love Puckett's man as far as like meeting th that and Arnold dropped my two favorite meeting threes, I mean, you know, love's Cafe, you know, was great. But it's like everybody's, I
Speaker 3 00:46:45 Still haven't been there. Huh? I said I still haven't been there living there seven years.
Speaker 2 00:46:49 It's been, it's worth going out for the drive, but it's, it's kinda like you're needing to go to, to Whata Burger to drive all the way to Alabama. You might as well make a day out of it. Cause you're gonna sit there forever eat.
Speaker 3 00:46:57 Yeah. Um, what about like, barbecue? Cause I know there are some new players to the game in barbecue, whenever you were there, what was your favorite barbecue place
Speaker 2 00:47:05 Man, depending on what you wanted to go for. I love Peg Leg Porker. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:47:10 Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:47:10 That's my favorite.
Speaker 2 00:47:11 There was, uh, oh, dadgummit. I am gonna think of the name of it. Um, they've got two of 'em.
Speaker 1 00:47:17 It, Martin's,
Speaker 2 00:47:19 No, I do like Martin's a lot too, but that wasn't my favorite. The, uh, ed, ed Edley.
Speaker 3 00:47:24 Oh really? See, I'm a big anti edley guy. Are you? Yeah. And maybe it's recently, but uh, the last three or four years is whenever I really ate Leys and they're just never consistent on it. Especially their brisket. Their brisket. I've had some of the driest brisket in my life from Leys.
Speaker 2 00:47:42 It went down. Well, you know what though, keep in mind, back when I used to would ride by there and go there, it was before all the other barbecue joints really opened up. So
Speaker 1 00:47:51 That was like the spot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:53 Early on. I mean, if you wanna barbecue, you went to Ed Italy's. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3 00:47:56 Yeah. But
Speaker 2 00:47:57 Martin's was really good. I do dig Martin's. But yeah, I mean, peg Porker was I think probably my favorite. I had to pick one. Yeah. But it was off fucking distance from where I live for four years. <laugh>. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:48:06 That's, yeah. Yeah. Where in town were you living at? So you said you were up by the Sound Stadium. The old Sound Stadium. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:48:12 Man, really the early years. I was always, you know, Hermitage, Mount Juliet, that kind of area. Um, and then probably the last five years I was in town, I, I was in, you know, when I, when I say I was in the Gulch, don't go Ooh, the Gulch. No, I live in that poor people building in the middle of it. The the Laurel house? Yeah. Yeah. I, I lived in the Laurel house for like four or five years and then, uh, I ended up over dating a, we won't even get into that part of my life. But nonetheless, someone I was dating picked this place that I never would've picked, but over on, uh, where Second Avenue was the hood, but they were trying to redevelop it. Yep. Well our fence was the division between the hood and the development. And I is,
Speaker 3 00:48:53 That was freaking, was that the place that's like right there on the railroad tracks and all
Speaker 2 00:48:57 Pretty close to it? It uh, like if you were on Second Avenue from, you know, like Broadway and heading toward like Hermitage.
Speaker 3 00:49:04 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:49:05 It was up that way kind of. Uh, oh, what's that? There was a bar right around the, there's that first All Stars or something like that. Is that a bar out there? That's off First Avenue. I
Speaker 3 00:49:16 Can't remember.
Speaker 2 00:49:17 Like almost when it turns into Hermitage Lane or whatever.
Speaker 3 00:49:19 Yeah, I can't remember. Pretty much
Speaker 2 00:49:21 Cafe.
Speaker 3 00:49:22 Okay. Okay, cool. Yeah, see I, like I said, I went to Tribeca so I'm really familiar with like that and the Berry Hill area and like where Gabby's is actually before they tour. Yeah, the Sound Stadium down. Um, me and know lot of buddies like jumped the fence and got in there and we played Oh, they
Speaker 2 00:49:41 Down.
Speaker 3 00:49:41 Yeah, they finally tore it down. It's been a little bit over a year now, but they're gonna build something new there. I think they're gonna build some like, uh, low income housing and stuff there, which will be good. And they're gonna restore for it. Nakedly also. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. So they're gonna do something cool with it, but we act and I
Speaker 2 00:49:57 Had memories in that original sound. Like my 21st birthday was at that sound stadium man. Oh wow. That's, I missed the original one.
Speaker 1 00:50:03 Yeah, you a big baseball guy,
Speaker 2 00:50:06 Man. I mean, I'll watch it, but I'm not, I don't have a d like, you know, with football, Cowboys, Razorbacks, you know, basketball Razorbacks. So I just, I don't really have a team. Uh, I'll watch it cuz I'm such a sports guy. But it just was the only sport I never really played. Which is ironic because that's the only sport that professionals run in my family. But my dad was like, you can play any sport you want, but baseball, that's my lake time. I ain't chasing around ball fields all summer.
Speaker 1 00:50:31 <laugh>. That's great. That's funny hear. Have you been watching that Jordan documentary at all?
Speaker 2 00:50:35 Oh dude, I ain't missed a single one.
Speaker 1 00:50:37 Like, that's, isn't it crazy that's like the highlight, that's like the closest thing we've had to watching sports is watching everybody tuning in. That's the draft. Yeah. And the draft, which was weird
Speaker 2 00:50:46 To watch. Um, it's all these old reruns of games I've been like, I don't know who won the games, so screw it. It's new to me. Let's watch
Speaker 1 00:50:52 <laugh>, let's crack, let's crack open a beer. Watch, watch the game. Yeah, no, I feel that. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 2 00:50:57 No, I mean for me, what I love about this documentary too is that like I was a little kid with Jo, I mean Jordan, my, my three f like, I had three favorite athletes. Troy Aman, Emmett Smith and Michael Jordan. And so, I mean, Jordan is why I was a diehard basketball fan and the other two were why I was football. But like, you know, you're just a kid. You're go bulls, they're awesome. You know, I didn't really understand the game and y'all said a million times even before this documentary started, I was like, I'm glad this is coming out. Cause I was too young to even know and appreciate the greatness. And like, I'm sorry, LeBron is awesome, but I hope everybody watching this shuts up about this comparison because it's not even remotely close. Like
Speaker 1 00:51:34 Oh, ab it absolutely isn't. It's something we've noticed. Jordan loved to freaking gamble. Holy shit. Like, I like throwing, throwing, like I'll play games of poker at my buddies and things like that, but playing freaking, just tossing things in the, in the locker room with that. Who was that old guy? The one guy that kept beating him? It was like Usher. Yeah. One of the security guards that old, that old like scientist looking guy with the glasses that just kept beating him, man.
Speaker 2 00:51:56 And you know, like on this last episode, they're hounding him about if he had a gambling problem and stuff. I don't think he did, man. Like I know a lot of guys that are ex-athletes like pro and just college and stuff. They, I think a, that's how a lot of 'em passed the time. You know, you didn't have phones and stuff and all that crap to keep you occupied, you know, and they were traveling, that's all they had to do. But a lot of 'em, it's just they're so dang competitive that they wanna compete on any and everything. There is. And I think that's what it was with Joe. I mean, he's straight up said it. I mean he could gamble $50,000 cuz to him that was toilet paper money. Like for us.
Speaker 1 00:52:32 Yeah. Yeah. He said he had a, he had a competition problem, not a gambling problem. Exactly. I
Speaker 2 00:52:37 I mean, I know a lot of, like I said, professional, professional athletes, they're all the exact same way. It's like, man, if we're gonna call it like it is, let's, let's pull 'em all out. Come on
Speaker 1 00:52:46 Man. Yeah, no. So, so dude, it's been a pleasure freaking getting to know you and hanging out and, uh, when we're out that way, or if you're ever in Tennessee, we definitely got a link up and hang out.
Speaker 2 00:52:57 Yeah, man. Well, I was supposed to have been there this month, but, uh, shows are canceled. So
Speaker 1 00:53:01 Where were you, where were you gonna be playing?
Speaker 2 00:53:04 Uh, uh Oh, good grief. What's the, the one that got knocked out by the tornado? The
Speaker 1 00:53:10 Basement. The basement. The basement east? Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:53:12 The basement east got knocked out. The original basement is still available.
Speaker 1 00:53:15 It's funny, the one show that I ever saw, there was actually a Texas show was, uh, flatland Cavalry, uh, yeah. Was the one show that I saw there. And guys like co and like a lot of the Texas guys, that's like a spot where the Texas guys come out and play. That's interesting. So have you been back to Nashville since you moved? Like have you done a show there since you've been back to Texas?
Speaker 2 00:53:34 Yeah, I've been back quite a few times. In fact, I had to come back for all the, the court dates with Silverado Records, <laugh>. Um, but uh, yeah, we actually, we came back last, uh, August. We were on like a three week tour and we stopped in and played the original, the smaller basement. It was one of 'em things where I hadn't played since I left and I didn't know what to expect and we were only like five tickets shy of selling it out. Nice. So we, uh, yeah, that, that was cool to come back and go hang out and do that kind of stuff. But, you know, I I still try to keep in touch with like, revival and, and uh, um,
Speaker 1 00:54:02 Whiskey Jam,
Speaker 2 00:54:04 Whiskey Jam and some of that stuff. But you know, it's like I said, I'm still, you know, I'm one of 'em guys where I, you know, I had to kind of play the part and do the Texas thing, but it's like, I'm not Texas country. I'm not Nashville because neither one of 'em can fully claim me. I just, I'm country music and just utilizing it all. So, I mean, Nashville always have a part of what I do. It just, oh yeah. I'm just not gonna sit there at losers till four in the morning playing the who's who game anymore.
Speaker 1 00:54:27 <laugh>. Yeah, no, I gotcha. So what, what we actually do, we actually have a Raiders round that we do with the podcast that we do at a bar, used to be called Frisky Frogs. Now the bar's called Live Oak and they kind of redid it. It's awesome. If you're ever in town when we're doing that, dude, we'd love to have you jump on, jump on around and get to hang out. Maybe grab some Mexican or something too, or some peg leg peg leg porker. That's what we'll do.
Speaker 2 00:54:48 There we go. Hit it all man. We gotta have lunch.
Speaker 3 00:54:51 Exactly. Yeah man. So, uh, real quick man, tell us, uh, tell the people where they can find you at on social media and all.
Speaker 2 00:54:58 Yeah, man. Uh, obviously the main website's, David adam burns.com, it's got links to everything. B Y R N E S. No, my ancestors could not spell <laugh> and, uh, Facebook, Twitter, and so, I mean, all of it. I I don't even know why Bothered I made a TikTok account that I'm pretty sure I'm never gonna use. And, uh, all of that just David, Adam Burns. Can't miss it, man.
Speaker 1 00:55:20 Hell yeah, dude. Cool man. And tell us real quick, we're gonna wrap this up by playing, uh, by playing Neon Light if that's cool. We're gonna throw neon light, get, do like a, do like a little, do like a little radio intro with it. So what's, um, what's the story behind Neon Light and uh, why'd you put that one out?
Speaker 2 00:55:34 Yeah, let's call Neon Town
Speaker 1 00:55:35 And, uh, oh, neon Town. Excuse me. Neon Town. My bad dude.
Speaker 2 00:55:38 It's, are you good? You good? It's the, uh, it's the title track of this record actually. And you know, a lot of the reason we wanted to go with it was because we were gonna put out the single Neon Town and then a month later was gonna come out the record Neon Town, which, you know, now that's not happening. But, um, man, our radio promoter thought this was the big number one for Texas Radio from the get go, but we had to kind of establish ourselves. But it's what we based everything. We've been calling it the Neon Town tour. I mean, it's what we kick off the show with. It's just, it's a tone setter for what you're about to get in the live show. I mean, yeah, I'm a traditional country, but we're gonna have some energy and kick some footlights out. So, uh, it just, it it's that barn burning fun honky tonk driving song.
Speaker 2 00:56:17 I wrote it with Adam Fears and uh, I, I remember back when I was recording the record, I knew that I was missing that one song that fit that, you know, style. And so I wanted somebody that I knew was a good chicken picking guitar player that can try to find like just the riffs and the stuff and he kept trying to turn it into a ballad and I was like, no, neon's Hat is not a ballad. It's a power driving song. So we did it, we wrote it and uh, it's our current single that, uh, man, it's flying of the chart here. It's in just three weeks. We're already at number 35, so
Speaker 1 00:56:44 Hell yeah. Hell yeah dude. Well man, thank you so much for hanging out Boudreau another episode in the book in the books. Where can People Find us?
Speaker 3 00:56:52 So yeah, uh, Twitter in the Round Pod, Instagram and Facebook in the round podcast. Uh, we're working on a TikTok, we're also trying, after all this quarantine stuff, is to find our residence or redneck and get
Speaker 1 00:57:04 And, and build our website back with Jacob Albert. He's probably listening to that Neil, that new, uh, Wheeler Walker Jr. Song jamming
Speaker 3 00:57:10 Somewhere. He's probably out there somewhere in middle of Tennessee doing that. So we're trying to find him. The satellite phone went out and he lost all of his power and everything. So we're, we don't know where he is at right now, but we're gonna find
Speaker 1 00:57:22 Him. Yeah, so make sure you guys follow along. Big thank you to David Adams for joining us today. Make sure you follow him along with him. He's got that new record coming out. Y'all stay tuned for that. Now we're gonna take it away with Neon Town. Thank you guys for listening. This has been the In The Round Podcast.
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