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Speaker 0 00:01:20 What is going on everybody? It's your boy Matt Burrell. And, uh, today we have got a very special guest on, uh, this week's episode of Outside the Round. We've had a lot of young guys and girls on recently, a lot of folks that we see here in town that there's a buzz around and that are doing the damn thing and doing it at a very young age. And, uh, this guy today, we've got our good buddy, Mr. Carson Wallace with us, um, Carson's somebody that we've had our eyes on with Raise, rowdy, and with, um, with back when I was doing in the Round and now outside the round for a while, dude. And, um, glad we were finally able to make this podcast after,
Speaker 3 00:01:56 Man. I know. Thanks for having me, bro. It, uh, you guys have been nothing but the best to me and so I'm stoked to do this too. You know, it's been, it's been really fun. Two years, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:02:04 Dude. So what did you do, uh, this weekend?
Speaker 3 00:02:07 Man, I just got back from a rider's retreat. We were, we rented this house in like Kentucky Lake, it's like right in Dover, Tennessee. And so middle of nowhere, but it was, it was perfect for what we were doing. So we wrote a bunch of songs and probably had too much fun. But it was good, man. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:02:22 Nothing wrong with that. Who else was on that retreat with you?
Speaker 3 00:02:25 Yeah, it was, uh, Jordan Dawsey, um, Matt Mohair, Claire Park, uh, Trent Wayne, Zach, John King.
Speaker 0 00:02:32 I love
Speaker 3 00:02:33 All the homies. Man.
Speaker 0 00:02:34 That's a, that's a crew of people. 'cause like I know, I know Matt and and Trent are kind of close and obviously Yeah, yeah. Jordan Clara. And then that's like a mix of just some of my favorite individual, like up and coming songwriters in Nashville, all in one cabin. That's a sick retreat. It
Speaker 3 00:02:50 Was, it was so dope. I mean, I love all those guys. I've written with most of them, like at least once, you know? And so to just all get all of us together and just hang out too, I feel like there's something special about when you know that you're staying in that house for a couple days and it's like, there's just like, like pressure that's lifted off your shoulders and you can just have fun and you can just write for fun and it's just, yeah. What so cool.
Speaker 0 00:03:12 What do you do besides writing songs? Like what is, because to me, yeah, to me, like if we did like a Raise Rowdy Riding retreat, Uhhuh, it would be like a, it'd be like a frat house, you know, like our vibe is like that. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:03:23 It can definitely get there, for sure. I mean, we kind of, I mean, we hung, we, we obviously like cooked meals and stuff and then, I mean, we did, we went to these like random dive bar, like hick town, little like spots like around town, you know, and so they were all like, far away. But it was so fun just like kind of seeing the local scene there and watching some of these cover bands. 'cause it was hilarious. Yeah. And then, I don't know, just hung hanging out and being stupid, so, yeah.
Speaker 0 00:03:48 It was good. So for you, coming from, you come from, you're in, you're a SoCal kid, right? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:03:53 Kind of SoCal, like Central Cali. Definitely not, not North, but yeah, we're, uh, it's a, it's a cool spot 'cause we're kind of so close to everything.
Speaker 0 00:04:01 Everybody make it okay with the, the tur, the, I dunno what
Speaker 3 00:04:05 The hurricane,
Speaker 0 00:04:06 When you finally get classified, it's because it was a tropical storm then. It was a hurricane then it was a tsunami. Yeah. And it was,
Speaker 3 00:04:11 It's crazy. I don't really know, honestly, but all I know is it just rained in my house. I I really, and I think there was some big waves on the ocean, but I think they hyped it up to be a lot worse than it was gonna be. Yeah, yeah. But it was weird. It was, I've never seen that necessarily, you know? So wild.
Speaker 0 00:04:27 Yeah. 'cause I was down in Florida on vacation, uh, that weekend when, um, and I remember watching the, watching the Weather Channel being like, oh shit, Cali's getting fucked. But then it was like, after, it was like, aside from that picture of Dodger Stadium, which people don't realize Yeah. Dodger stadium's like elevated, so no shit. It's gonna flood
Speaker 3 00:04:42 Around there. Yeah. Yeah. They,
Speaker 0 00:04:43 They hyped, they hyped it up and dramatized it a little more than they to it would've been. Yeah. Oh, of
Speaker 3 00:04:48 Course. Yeah. But it was, uh, it was, it was funny. I was like, this is gonna be interesting. And then I guess it wasn't that
Speaker 0 00:04:55 Bad. Yeah. Is your, is your family still out there?
Speaker 3 00:04:56 Yeah, so my mom and dad and brother all still are out there, um, in the town we grew up in. It was, it's cool to see them and it's, uh, always fun to go out there. They definitely are stoked that I'm out here doing this, but they miss me. So
Speaker 0 00:05:10 What do you, what do you miss most aside from like, family and friends, which is like the obvious answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you miss most about your, like, your hometown?
Speaker 3 00:05:17 Yeah, I mean, I would say like, I just miss it geographically. It's, it's funny because you go, you go somewhere like Nashville and you're kind of landlocked and like, there's not necessarily any crazy mountains or anything. It's kind of just the south, you know? Yeah. But then you go out there and you literally, like, you, you look up from basically wherever you are and you can see some set of mountains and like, my hometown is right at the base of Sierra Nevada, so it's like, oh, that's beautiful. 10,000 foot mountains, like right there. And that's ridiculous. Mount Whitney is like, like 40 like miles from my house. Like, it takes forever to get there, but it's like really, really close. And it's like 14,000. It's the biggest mountain in the continental United States, you know? So it's like, that's right in my backyard. And then the beach is like two and a half hours away, and then you have the desert and LA and everything else. And it's just like, it's hard to beat that when you're, you know. And so every time I go I'm like, dang it. Yeah. It's pretty cool, you know?
Speaker 0 00:06:09 So, so why Nashville? Because LA is a music city as well. Yeah. It's, but it's a city of a lot of stuff. Exactly. Not just music. You have obviously Hollywood, you have businesses, you have Napa Valleys or like the, um, what is it like the Silicon Valley? Yeah. So much opportunity within California. What inspired you to want to come to Nashville and go to Belmont? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:06:31 Yeah. I feel like for me at, um, Nashville has always been this place that like, feels set apart from la and I'm in talking to people, it's like, LA is such a creative hub for sure, but it's like, if you truly want a collaborative spirit of everybody's trying to help out each other, and especially country music, like Nashville's the spot, you know? And I have an uncle that is a writer in town. His name's Marv Green. And so he, uh, he's been here 30 years now and so I've always grown up with him flying riders out from Nashville to California to do this rider's round. And these guys always seem like the coolest human beings and like the, like genuine and kind, but also extremely talented. And so it's like when I had to decide where I kind of wanted to be, um, after high school, it was like making the most sense to be in Nashville. You know, I kind of consider Texas. I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed the scene down there and the music that comes outta there. But ultimately it was like the songs are being written in Nashville. Yeah. You know, and so Belmont was kind of a vessel for a 17 year old to get here, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:07:32 Dude. And Texas has a lot of Cali influence in it. Yeah. You can get an Inn Out burger in Austin.
Speaker 3 00:07:37 A million percent. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:07:38 Which, which make, which I, um, we just did a podcast recently with, uh, with Mike Ryan over on the Race Rowdy Channel. Yeah. Um, the Race Rowdy podcast I filled in for Kurt and hosted that with co-host that with Nick t Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:07:48 He was just in town I think last week or something.
Speaker 0 00:07:50 Yeah, he was, yeah, he played, um, played over at Whiskey Jam and was doing some, doing his hanging out and going around town and meeting with, meeting with like the different, um, DSPs and all that shit. Oh yeah. But I had him make his case for Whataburger. Oh. What is your case for In-N-Out? Why is Inn Out the Best Burger? Because I've done, I've done a lot of touring with Mac being out the road and stuff, and whenever we have an inn out in the area, it is a thing. As Tour manager, I would go and I'd get everybody's burgers and we'd, we'd go animal style. We'd get after, come on. Why is Inn Out the Best Burger,
Speaker 3 00:08:22 Dude? Well, okay, one of the things you just said, it's like the animal style sauce is out of this world. It's hard to beat. And what I love about it is it's all fresh. Literally. That's why In-N-Out has to choose where they put their locations so strategically. 'cause they have to have a facility where they get the meat fresh each and every day. And so I totally believe that makes a difference. You can taste it when you eat, like have the burger and then I mean that the fries impeccable so good. And then the shakes are like so simple, but they're the hardest hitting shakes still to
Speaker 0 00:08:51 Start that. Yeah. What's your, what's your go-to in that order?
Speaker 3 00:08:53 Man, I get, I actually, I go nuts. I get, okay. I get a four by four. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:08:59 Shit. Okay.
Speaker 3 00:09:00 Yeah. So I get a four by four, um, just spread only. So it's just the meat, cheese, and the like sauce and then some fries. And then I get like the, like the threeway swirl shake.
Speaker 0 00:09:11 Yeah. I do the Neapolitan shake as well. Dude, come on. I'm a ne I'm a Neapolitan. I think it's, uh, is it the big double? What is the, what
Speaker 3 00:09:18 Is the Yeah, I like double double
Speaker 0 00:09:19 The double. I do a double double animal style fries animal style. Yep. And, um, we're all, we're all battling for the green, for the green room bathroom after that <laugh>. Oh
Speaker 3 00:09:27 Yeah. It'll happen. Yeah. But I love it, man.
Speaker 0 00:09:30 I love I love it too. Do you miss, do you miss, um, are there any other foods back home that you miss, man, like, Mexican's gotta be good, right?
Speaker 3 00:09:36 Oh, I mean, it's kind of like, I mean, there's so many people that come from Mexico that end up in like, my area. And so the Mexican restaurants are so good. Oh, the
Speaker 0 00:09:45 Street tacos have to be absurd.
Speaker 3 00:09:46 The taco trucks are nuts. They're so good. And then every little like restaurant has a family owned thing that has literally been there forever. And so it, it goes so hard. I, I've struggled to find somewhere here that, well,
Speaker 0 00:09:58 You gotta go to Antioch, bro.
Speaker 3 00:09:59 No. Okay. There's Antioch. You
Speaker 0 00:10:01 Gotta go to Antioch. You,
Speaker 3 00:10:02 I heard this place out there,
Speaker 0 00:10:03 Green Guss,
Speaker 3 00:10:03 There's a place in Franklin that's like in the strip mall, like, like by Kroger. This dude, I can't, no, it's so good though.
Speaker 0 00:10:09 I can't imagine a Franklin Strip mall being my favorite Mexican spot in Nashville.
Speaker 3 00:10:13 You gotta try it first. It's called Los Primos, man. It's, oh, come on.
Speaker 0 00:10:17 Primo Primos like premium. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3 00:10:19 Primos. <laugh>. Well, it's actually the cousins, but you can's cousins.
Speaker 0 00:10:22 Okay.
Speaker 3 00:10:22 Okay.
Speaker 0 00:10:23 But you gotta work on my Spanish. I I
Speaker 3 00:10:25 Love it. I, it, it goes hard. So yeah, it has been, I I miss that and I miss like Santa Maria style cooking. Um, what is that? What is that style? Basically it's like grilling. So when you, like, when you come here and you say, we're gonna barbecue, usually that means like on a Traeger full of like sauces and all this, right? Well, I mean, back there it's like Santa Maria style barbecues, literally just, it's like open flame fires on like actual red oak wood. And so basically you're like, Charing steaks rare and they have like baseball cuts, which they're starting to do here more, but what's
Speaker 0 00:10:57 A baseball cut?
Speaker 3 00:10:58 So it's basically a, um, it's basically like a cut of steak that is literally just, it looks like a baseball, you know? So it's like where you might get a steak that's like, kind of looks like a, like a small piece of wood or something like here. Like these are just baseball sized steaks. And so they're, they're the best. They're my favorite. And basically what you get when you get a filet, but they cut it out outta the things too. Are
Speaker 0 00:11:19 You a big sports guy? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:11:21 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:11:21 So what are your, what are your teams?
Speaker 3 00:11:24 Oh, man. U S C for sure. For
Speaker 0 00:11:26 Football. Okay. U S C and, and, and
Speaker 3 00:11:27 Like college, like fight
Speaker 0 00:11:29 On? Yeah. My, my, my girlfriend is a U S C fan, but University of South Carolina. Ah, she claims that is U S
Speaker 3 00:11:34 C. I hear you. Nah, come on. That's, that's University of South Carolina. U S C is U S C to me. I mean, so I always grew up like going to those games and hating U C L A <laugh>. My dad went there. So we, it's definitely,
Speaker 0 00:11:48 You're a little, you're a little young for, you're a little young in general, but like you got, you kind of missed out on the, do you remember the, the Matt Liner, Reggie Bush?
Speaker 3 00:11:55 I, so no, I don't, I, I like briefly like, can he, like, I've heard so much about it. I remember it, but no, I, I missed, I missed out on that, you know,
Speaker 0 00:12:04 Like, dude, those teams were so fucking good
Speaker 3 00:12:06 Stacked, man. They were
Speaker 0 00:12:07 So much fun to watch. I used to stay up late, like past my bedtime on a Saturday, which was luckily was a Saturday. So you don't really have a bedtime, you don't have school the next day. But like, I remember staying up late watching those Pac 10 games back in the day,
Speaker 3 00:12:19 Dude. Oh, nuts. And I mean, this year they might be, they might be good. We got this QB from Oklahoma and obviously that coach came over and so I'm, I'm excited. We almost did good last year and so we'll
Speaker 0 00:12:30 See. But college football's your big, your big thing.
Speaker 3 00:12:32 Yeah. I'm not a big N F L guy. I honestly just have never really dove into it hard. I feel like in college they still have so much to prove that I feel like they just play harder, you know? And there's so many teams that it makes it really interesting. Yeah. And
Speaker 0 00:12:44 Then is us, I've always loved it. Then is U uss C Mo, are they moving conferences?
Speaker 3 00:12:47 Yeah, they're moving to the Big 10. Um, it's
Speaker 0 00:12:49 Fucking crazy. Can you, I mean, they're gonna have to fly to to, they're gonna have to play at some point. They're gonna have to go to, um, to New Brunswick, New Jersey and play Rutgers in College, park Maryland and play Maryland. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 00:13:02 See how its,
Speaker 0 00:13:03 It's geographically so different. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:13:05 I know. It'll be cool Miss And those guys have to go to La
Speaker 0 00:13:07 <laugh>. Yeah, dude, those guys will have to go to LA and have that, have that jet lag, dude. Wow. Yeah. It's gonna be a whole different, whole different thing. But it's gonna be cool to see like the classic matchup of what Oh
Speaker 3 00:13:17 Yeah. I think U S C was tired of having 10 o'clock games, like you were saying. Yeah, like, like nobody back east could watch 'em, so they were like, no, we gotta we gotta step it up here. You know, the back 12 is kind of going like this anyways.
Speaker 0 00:13:27 Yeah. Now you, you would have to wait for a, a Rose Bowl matchup to play Michigan or Ohio State or Wisconsin. Now you'll have that on the regular season schedule. Yeah. It's gonna be cool. Do play. Do you play a lot of sports
Speaker 3 00:13:38 Growing? Yeah, man, I played football up until like eighth grade and I mean, I played pretty hard and so I think I little bit of burnout, little bit of like, didn't like my coaches, so I actually quit that and then played water polo in high school, so
Speaker 0 00:13:51 Water polo. Oh, that's, yeah. So I did that and I did, I wasn't on like a team, but that was like an activity in like middle school and like high school, like gym classes. No way.
Speaker 3 00:14:00 We had a
Speaker 0 00:14:00 Pool. That's crazy. We had a pool at our school.
Speaker 3 00:14:01 Yeah, man, it, it's brutal, but it's fun. I mean, I thought football was tough, but you get in a pool and you can't touch the bottom and you have to fend for yourself. It's, it's, it's brutal. But yeah, it was fun. So I did that in golf, like two extreme opposites. But
Speaker 0 00:14:16 Yeah, you get, you get out in the links a lot here in Nashville there. Well,
Speaker 3 00:14:19 Lately I feel like I've been more, I, i took me a while to really get out there, but I, I love it. You know, I feel like that's the only sport in high school. I, I told myself like, I'm gonna play this because I know I'm gonna play it after high school. I feel like so many other sports, unless you're specifically going to college for it, like nobody ever plays it again. You know, it's like, yeah. Might as well make use of my time here. And
Speaker 0 00:14:38 Yeah, absolutely. I was on the golf team in high school, but I was, um, I was an alternate. So my score, my score, which alternate's a great place to be. Yeah. 'cause you're, there's not the pressure of being the one, the two, the three, three or the four mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, by being the alternate, you still get to play all these nice country club courses.
Speaker 3 00:14:56 Yeah. And then all you can do is either play, like, say you have a great round, then you'll be in part of the score. And if not, oh well
Speaker 0 00:15:02 You have fun with the other two guys from the other two schools, man. Yeah, exactly. Then you meet, then you meet guys, and then you go play the, the public course that you can afford to play in high school with those guys.
Speaker 3 00:15:10 Oh yeah. Yep. It's, it's, it's a time. It's fun. Yo,
Speaker 0 00:15:13 You have some nice courses in Cali too?
Speaker 3 00:15:15 Oh yeah. I mean, we had one like right by our house. It was one of the harder ones. And then, I mean, we've played, we played one in this little town called Solvang, where my uncles originally from with my mom. Um, and I mean, that was like a private course, but that thing, that thing was tough and it was really fun. Really cool. So,
Speaker 0 00:15:33 Yeah. So how'd you get into, so obviously you have, you have Uncle Marv Yeah. And you're getting exposed to songwriting at a very young age. Yeah. And it's, that's gotta be a huge influence on you for wanting to do this thing. But like, when did it become like, alright, I want to be Carson Wallace, the, the country artist, not the golfer, not the, not the water polo guy, not not having some business doing something in Cali. Yeah. I wanna, I want to take this thing and do it for real. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:16:01 I mean I definitely, I, I always tell people I don't feel like there was an aha moment. I feel like it was this buildup of like, okay, so this has always been a part of my life. And now I'm doing, I'm writing songs here and there and I wrote songs basically as soon as I could start playing guitar. And I mean, they actually started, I guess getting to be decent songs like later in high school and stuff. But I think it was this buildup of like, momentum behind it. And then I think when I had to decide what I was gonna do after high school, I was like, well, I guess it's like, let's go to a college somewhere, but let's see if I can do music while I'm doing that. You know? And so I think it kind of flipped a switch there. And even when I got here though, I was still like, I don't know if I'm gonna just write songs for other people right now and do the artist thing later, or how that's gonna come about.
Speaker 3 00:16:43 And then it kind of like raised its hand and said, no, you're gonna do the artist stuff now. Like a year of being here. I kind of had some songs that I'd written that started doing well and like TikTok and stuff for me, and had some other artists kinda say, well, hey, I kind of wanna cut that. And then it did so well, and TikTok for me, they were even like, dude, you should just put that out. Like start the artist stuff. And so that's kind of what this first song I had out Lonely looked like was that that was for me. And then, um, now these next like, set of songs I'm gonna be putting out, I feel like those are just songs that I've written that I've sat on a while and truly feel like, okay, this is me as an artist and I'm not gonna hate this song in five to 10 years. You know? And so that was my biggest obstacle, I think is like, I want these songs to be something I'm proud of. And people respect is like, these are well-written songs, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:17:29 And to be young and trying to figure out like, 'cause you're, you're what? You're 21?
Speaker 3 00:17:33 No, uh, 19. I'll be, you're still
Speaker 0 00:17:36 A baby and you're still very young.
Speaker 3 00:17:38 I'll be, I'll be 20 in a month. So Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:17:40 Yeah. But like to figure out what it is that you want to say at 28. Yeah. So I moved here at 23. Yeah. And the way I think now at 28 is different from how I thought even at like 24, 25, like you figure so much out in your late teens Yeah. And in your early twenties, like to figure out what it is that you want to say and to be, to be confident in what you're saying now, it's crazy. At your age is fricking That's huge, man. Yeah. Most 19 year olds don't know what they want to say.
Speaker 3 00:18:04 No. And it's, I mean, it's tough. I can definitely see where people hit that wall. And there's still days I do when you sit down every day and you have other songwriters basically be like, all right, so you're the artist. Like, what do you wanna say? That's a lot of pressure. You know, you really, it's basically like, okay, figure out your life and figure out your artistry right here. And it's like, obviously nobody's able to do that perfectly. But really for me, I'm just trying to write songs right now that like I do relate to, but they don't have to be my life story. For me, it's like, I wanna write songs that I felt a little bit of what that song, um, is basically putting out emotion wise, but truly, like, do people relate to it too? Like, when I sing this song, is it believable for me to sing? But do people hear themselves in those songs? You know? And if if that's the case, then it's like, that can be a Carson Wallace song. You know, I, the last thing I wanna do is just put out songs 'cause they're cool or they're chasing a trend or something. At the end of the day, I want it to have a tain of like what I'm doing and I want it to be something that people can really latch onto, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:19:00 And you, you have that power right now at 19 to where when you're on stage at one of our rounds or you're at Whiskey Jam or you're at any, any of these in town performance things, the the room really pays attention, man. Like, you're, you've, you've, you know how to really like inflect on there. You, you do so good in these rounds at this age. Dude, man. And there's other guys and girls coming up in this, this young crop like this, the, the 18 to like 22 year olds right now in town are so much fun to watch. Yeah. Like, there are, there are like yourself, like Kenny Whitmeyer comes to mind. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Ashley Ann comes to mind. Yeah. There's, there's this young crop, this young movement, like I'm sure you've, and you've gotten to know these guys and girls Yeah. That are, that are also in the, the under 21 club playing these events.
Speaker 3 00:19:47 Oh man. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:19:48 So what, what advice would you have for someone that moves to town at, 'cause there, there are kids that move here. There's a whole crap that just moved here recently that are starting their freshman years at Belmont. Like, it's crazy. Well, how, how would you best advise somebody like being able to network, not being able to get in the red door mm-hmm. <affirmative> not being able to get into, get into Tin Roof or get into Live Oak. Even Live
Speaker 3 00:20:09 Oak.
Speaker 0 00:20:09 Yeah. Yeah. So how, how have you been able to do that network and make those connections? 'cause you've done a pretty good job of it,
Speaker 3 00:20:16 Man, I tried. I mean, I'll be honest, it's not easy. I feel like the first year I was here I felt like I was just hitting wall after wall of like not being able to get into places or people not taking you seriously 'cause you're a freshman at Belmont or something. But ultimately it's just like being persistent. I think people talk about this town in general, it's like if you knock at the door long enough, somebody's gonna answer. You know? And so I think it's truly just knowing that nobody else is gonna do it for you. And that basically, like if you're, if there's this passion in your heart, like I'm a believer, so I think God puts it in your heart. And so if he's put that in your heart to be here and do this, like, like know that and be confident in that, and then go do it.
Speaker 3 00:20:54 You know, like go meet people any chance you can get, any round you can get into, like go to those rounds and be present and talk to the people after they play. Don't be afraid to go up to 'em because you think, oh, well I don't have a song out yet, so I'm, I'm not like valid enough to go talk to him. Or I don't have a certain amount of Instagram followers or a certain cut. It's like nobody cares about that. It's like, are you a good person? Are you not? And are you good or are you not? And so, and they're not gonna know that until they get in a room with you. You know? So really, truly like know that people are out here and they want the best for you. And so just go meet anyone you can and go network. And you never know who you're gonna talk to. I remember I was at a golf tournament and Hasten was there and I didn't even really know who he was, but someone was like, oh, that's the owner of Live Oak. I'm like, oh, well there you go. And so it's that cool to have that connection because obviously I'm not 21, but every time I'm in there he is like, oh, hey man, how are you? And it's just that thing of like, there's that certain good connection between each other, you know? And you never know who you're gonna meet, you know?
Speaker 0 00:21:51 Yeah. And you, there's guys and girls that are, that do the under 21 thing Yeah. And they wipe off the X or they take off.
Speaker 3 00:22:00 Yeah. No man,
Speaker 0 00:22:01 You have so much respect and it makes it so much easier on guys like myself and Nikki t Yeah. And and Warden people that are putting on these events and working with these bars and working with people like Hasson Yeah. And Dave and Maggie at Live Oak that you, you're, you're cool to go in there because you know that hey, in, in two years or in a year, in a month or Yeah. When you are 21, you'll be able to have a beer like everybody else. Exactly. You choose to do that. Why not come in and just take the opportunities while you can and be, be grateful for the opportunity Exactly. Under 21 and be in the bar and be able to network and be able to play and showcase yourself. Like Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:22:42 Couldn't have said it better. Because
Speaker 0 00:22:43 We've had issues with that with, with guys and girls and guys and girls that are, that are like even on the radio now and doing stuff. Yeah. That when they were under 21, we had, we had to clean up a mess because they took off the wristband. Yeah. And, and had to defy us and drink a beer in front of the bar and it was a pain in the ass. Yeah. And I never get that from you or Kenny or, or Ashley or a lot of the guys and girls that we have kind of in our mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the, the young guns that are, that are coming up right now, dude. Totally. So yeah, we appreciate that. So who were some of your like, earliest like friends in town? 'cause you, there's a lot, you've done a good job of building Yeah. Not just one circle, but like multiple circles. Like I see you hanging out with our, our boy, one of my favorite guys in town. Reed Morris. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. Re to me is just one of the best ambassadors to what a songwriter and what an artist is in town. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> as far as being just a good person. Yeah. So who were some of your, your other folks in addition to, to Reed and like totally those guys that you met.
Speaker 3 00:23:38 Yeah, I mean my, one of my roommates buddy I live with now, his name's Axel Deal. He's one of the first guys I met that was truly, truly like, passionate about music like I was. And so he's working his way up too as a writer and artist. Um, but then I actually met Tyler Chambers. He was the first guy outta that whole Georgia group by now. Wow. Yeah. I met him at an example here. Like I met him at the listen room, never had talked to him before and he played the round. I was just like, that guy's cool, music's cool. Like, I'm gonna go talk to him and it's never easy, but I did. And it, it worked out well. I came back and he introduced me to that whole friend groups like Dylan Marlow, Noah Hicks, Derek Austin, all those guys, you know. And then they all introduced me to Reid and Brandon.
Speaker 3 00:24:16 Um, and so that was really cool. And so I definitely hang out with that whole crew a whole ton. And so, and now a lot of my closer friends are actually that whole group I was at that Rider's retreat with now too. You know, I mean Clara and Jordan and Mammal Hare and um, chase McDaniel out there, and Avery and Zach, John King, like all those different guys, I'm always close with them and really appreciate them. And honestly, from there, there's a ton of people I'm acquainted with. Like, I'm thankful for guys like Heath Warren who've kind of taken me under their wing and been like, I believe in this person. You know? And so there's definitely been a lot of those guys too. But I try to keep the like close friend group pretty tight knit. 'cause I think it's important to surround yourself with people that you feel like are only bringing you up and only like trying to make you better,
Speaker 0 00:24:58 You know? Yeah, dude. Absolutely. Like when I first moved to town, I was, I was bouncing on Broadway and that was my circle was the, the guys and girls I worked with at Whiskey Row. Yeah. Which was, which is very different than the guys and girls I was with after that. And very different from the folks I met during C O V I D and very different from where I'm at now. Yeah. You know, like over, over time you just, you just meet new people and everybody, like you said, like there's a plan. Everybody kind of comes in, comes into each other's lives. Yeah. For, for a reason, dude.
Speaker 3 00:25:25 Yeah. And it's so weird 'cause guys you think that are like so out of reach or that are so like bigger than you, like it's a matter of time and then you're like actually close with them. I mean, it's kind of been like that for me with like the marlow's, like Cameron Marlowe and Dylan Marlowe not related, but, and they get it, which is funny.
Speaker 0 00:25:40 Everybody thinks they're
Speaker 3 00:25:41 Related. I know. And they're two like totally the best guys and I'm so thankful for them. 'cause like Cameron, I met him like over a year ago now, and we, I don't even know how we met, but then we got coffee and he like, loved what I was doing. And now we're like managed partly by the same people and like, like really close. I've been on the road with him riding and stuff. And I mean like when I've moved to town, he felt so outta reach. And then Dylan Marlow, same thing. Like he felt so outta reach for a second there. And like now recently we've been riding and got to go out on the road with him and just hang out. And it's just, I'm thankful for guys like that that'll take younger people under their wing and truly believe in them. And I'm thankful that this town is a town you can do that in. You know? 'cause it's not everywhere that you can just meet guys like that out on the street and end up building those relationships, you know?
Speaker 0 00:26:25 Yeah. So what has the road life been like? Have you been out on the, out on the bus with people and been out on the Dilla? Marla? Yeah. The, the, the mini bus that Dylan that speech and those guys, man, I
Speaker 3 00:26:34 Did it the wrong way. I think I, my first road experience was on the big bus with Cameron, so I got spoiled.
Speaker 0 00:26:41 What bunk were you on?
Speaker 3 00:26:42 Oh, I was on, I was on the top bunk. Okay.
Speaker 0 00:26:45 Okay. I'm, I'm, I've been a top bunk guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:26:47 I'm a, I think I'm a top bunk guy. Um, but I kind of got spoiled 'cause I was on that and I was like, oh, this isn't too bad, you know, but I'd never been in a van or anything. And then Dylan's bus was like, not even bad. I mean, yeah, it's shorter, but
Speaker 0 00:26:59 I've, I've driven it before. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:27:01 I mean, it's kind of a vibe. I wasn't, I wasn't opposed and I'm gonna, if I, like when I hit, start hitting the road and stuff and have to be in a van, I'm gonna be like, dang it, <laugh>. I went the, I went the wrong way, you know, down the totem pole here. But no, it's, uh, yeah, it's, it's been kind of fun, you know, I'm excited to get out there and be the artist on the road for sure. But yeah, I'm really thankful to get out there as a rider right now too and like collaborate with guys like those guys and truly see what it's like so I can learn from their mistakes. Yeah. And learn from what they do. Well, where,
Speaker 0 00:27:30 What, do you remember where the shows were?
Speaker 3 00:27:31 Yeah, so with Cameron, I flew into like New York and so there was a show in New York and then
Speaker 0 00:27:37 The city.
Speaker 3 00:27:38 Yeah. In the city.
Speaker 0 00:27:39 Was that your first time?
Speaker 3 00:27:40 No, I'd been there. We, we saw Stapleton in Madison Square Garden like a while back, so that was really cool. Um, but yeah, cam played this really cool spot there and then we went to DC the day after. So that was really cool. Um, and then, and then he had a show in like, Warrendale, Pennsylvania. Oh dude,
Speaker 0 00:27:57 That is Journals.
Speaker 3 00:27:58 Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:27:58 That is, that
Speaker 3 00:27:59 Venue's crazy.
Speaker 0 00:28:00 That's where, that's kind of where Ray's rowdy started. Nick t's done a lot of work there. 'cause Nick Tee's from Pittsburgh. Yeah. So Ray's Rowdy started in Pittsburgh and a combination of Dusty Armadillo and Jules, those, the venues that are in Rootstown, Ohio and Warrendale pa just outside of Pittsburgh. And then, um, a festival called Country Concert that's in, um, that's in, um, Fort Loie, Ohio. That's like a 42 year family owned festival that's holds like 30 to 50. That's crazy. 30 to 40,000 people. But going to those places, what was like, did you have a moment where, did you have like a rookie mistake like on the road with those guys? Hmm. Think something funny?
Speaker 3 00:28:36 I'm trying to think, man. I mean, my rookie mistake was probably like, we were at this like, uh, like the last night in like Warrendale, we were like, obviously like people drink out there and stuff and it is whatever, but I'd never smoked a cigar. And so I was just like trying to figure out how to smoke a cigar for an hour. And then like in the meantime, everybody was like enjoying themselves, like having the best time. And I was like, inhaling the cigar smoke and everything. It sucked. So I guess you could say I looked like a big rookie out there doing that. But other than that, I mean, it was pretty fun. I mean, we just rode a ton and all hung out and I got really close with the guys on the bus really quick. And, um, but yeah. Scars man.
Speaker 0 00:29:17 How's, how's Yeah. Well, cigars Nick and I can get you into
Speaker 3 00:29:20 Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:29:20 I know right? We have, we have a deal with crown heads in town. Heck yeah. Um, so we, if you want to come over to the house and we will teach you the right way, we'll give you a full education. So the next time you're out there with Cam and the boys There you go. You know what you're doing, Eric, Dylan and the boys. 'cause they smoke cigars too. Yeah. Um, what is Cam's guitar player? Jay? It's Jake, right? Man.
Speaker 3 00:29:36 He's a Huss Catt. Oh my gosh. They call him Hoss. Um, yeah,
Speaker 0 00:29:40 I haven't, I haven't like formally met him. Yeah. But we saw a, uh,
Speaker 3 00:29:43 One animal.
Speaker 0 00:29:44 Yeah. We saw a Cameron Marlowe show at, um, at cahoots in Lebanon. Yeah. And it was wild. It was a few months back. Nikki and I went and we were like right in front of, um, we were right in front of, um, right in front of like Jake's side of the stage. Yeah. And he walks out and he puts the cooler right in front of the, right in front of his mic. Oh yeah. He cracks open a Miller Light. He's got the NASCAR shirt on, he's got the lid on. He's just rearing to go.
Speaker 3 00:30:07 He's an animal. And he doesn't change when he gets off stage. Like, but that's just him. That's him, man. I mean, there he <laugh> God we had fun. He's, he's, he makes it just so fun, you know, like there's never a dull moment with him. Um, yeah. The the shotgun competitions on stage Yep. Are hilarious. I mean, even like off stage, like I said, he's just fun to be around, you know? And that's what I think makes the road, like the road, like it can make or break It is having people like that, that keeps it fun and really keeps it like, okay, this is like life. Like let's have fun. Let's not just like, like, 'cause if you, if you look at the downside all the time or you just try and think, oh, well that wasn't a perfect thing or that wasn't perfect, like the road will wear down and you so quick. I can already tell, you know? Yeah. So to have guys like Jake out there that are just like, keep it fun like you have to
Speaker 0 00:30:55 Then where'd you then, where'd you go with Dylan?
Speaker 3 00:30:57 Dylan? We went, um, it was this one-off show up. Um, it was really close to Cleveland I guess, but was it, was that like 20 minutes outta town? It was a casino. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:31:06 It was a casino show? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What'd you,
Speaker 3 00:31:08 Which again, being underage, I'd get like approved. I had this scarlet letter of a sticker that was like, not 21. I'm like, oh my gosh, man. But no, that was really funny. He opened for Scotty McCree. So we went up there and, um, just played that show and then came back. But we, we wrote, we started one out there on like in the green room that we finished like that next Monday with a couple guys. Ryan Heard and Zach Mond, and it turned out so sick. So you never know. You gotta just, you just gotta go for a long for the ride. And maybe you'll do like, write something, maybe you won't. But it's all about just the hanging Yeah. That, that connection and kind of fellowship. You know. What
Speaker 0 00:31:43 Was your first co-write? Because you've been in the room with a lot of, a lot of people. I mean, you're casually just saying Ryan heard, like, that's a big fucking right.
Speaker 3 00:31:50 Oh, man, man. Yeah. I was thankful. It was a really cool experience. Um, God, my first co-write that is such a good question. I had a guy at home that's like this cowboy guy. He actually rides like P R C A Saddle Bronx. But I mean, he's been, he's been like playing a lot of rodeos and stuff out there. So truly, I think he was my first co-write. I mean, and we, we just got together.
Speaker 0 00:32:12 Okay. First co-write in town.
Speaker 3 00:32:13 Okay. In town. I could not tell you that's bad, but I couldn't tell you. Well, how
Speaker 0 00:32:17 Many, well how many, how many songs are you writing or how many writes are you doing a week right
Speaker 3 00:32:20 Now? I mean, right now it's definitely like five or more. Uh, geez. Yeah, man. I mean, I think this year we're going on like 200 something songs, so like at least 200 bro. Yeah. So I, man, yeah. I could not tell you when I got to town, who was my first one? I betted somewhere in my calendar.
Speaker 0 00:32:37 Okay. A right that you were the, your first right. Where you're like, oh no, I'm getting in a room with this guy or this girl.
Speaker 3 00:32:43 Yeah. Man,
Speaker 0 00:32:44 I one that you were intimidated with.
Speaker 3 00:32:46 Yeah, I'm thankful. Um, my buddy Colton Venner, I don't know if you know Colton. Oh dude. Yeah, man. So him and I got coffee not long after I'd been in town. I'd been a fan of his stuff before we came to town. Yeah. And so, but reached out to him and he had responded. And so we got coffee. And actually at that time, like he was, he was like on the brink of getting a pub deal. Like he was really close and I was like, dude, about time. Like, I love this guy. Yeah. So we had Hung and he was like, well dude, let's write a song. I was like, oh, whoa, really? And so we like, we got together a little bit after that and wrote a song in his house. And I think that was the first one where I was like, dude, this guy's like really good and really kinda made me feel like a fool in the room right now. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 0 00:33:22 What do you, like, what am I doing in the room with Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:25 Ner Oh, I feel like that was it. And I feel like, I think like my first right with Tyler Chambers was similar too, you know, um, just those rooms where you're like, oh dang, I feel like I shouldn't have been here today. You know, <laugh>. But those are the rooms that just, I mean, you learn and experience and you probably did better than you think you did, but I mean, when you have somebody truly that feels like their, their craft is a whole nother level above yours, it it can be intimidating. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:33:48 Like, I've had some podcast guests where Yeah, I was, I was intimidated. Yeah. You know, like, because I've been doing, I started doing, um, I got my first radio show in 2013 Yeah. When I was doing like college radio stuff. And at that point that was back when I was drinking and everything kind of, I was on kind of on, kind of on autopilot to an extent. Oh yeah. Um, but when I remember getting, getting to town, I remember the first one where I was like, oh shit, we have, we have a podcast with Ryan Nelson. Oh yeah. It was like my, my eighth or ninth that we had done. And crazy. I was at the time. I was like, and now Ryan's like our, like one of my best friends. Yeah. You know, it's, it's just
Speaker 3 00:34:26 Funny how that works, huh? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:34:27 Yeah. Where you're like, you're like intimidated by somebody. What was the moment? 'cause like, like me, you're, you're from very, very far away. You're from obviously a little bit further away
Speaker 3 00:34:35 Than I'm super small town too. Like a thousand people. Okay. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:34:38 I didn't know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 00:34:39 Yeah. So like, I mean, people talk about small towns out here and I mean there's definitely some, there's smaller, but I mean my town like no stop, like barely a stop sign. No stop lights. Like one gas station. Like,
Speaker 0 00:34:50 Like what was a moment of like culture shock where you're like, I'm in the south.
Speaker 3 00:34:54 Yeah. Ooh.
Speaker 0 00:34:55 Because you have to have some of that too. I know. Nashville. Yeah. There's a little Nashville's very much like a, a melting pot of like people from all over the po all over the world. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:35:03 Honestly, I've noticed that for sure. I think maybe a culture shock was just how diverse Nashville is and how many different people from everywhere come here. But I think another culture shock, the fried chicken. I don't know why, but just like everybody, like loves all fried stuff in general. And I'm like, oh, this is weird. Like, we didn't really eat this at home, you know? So I feel like that and definitely the, the just, I don't know, maybe a good culture shock was just how cool people are and nice people are, you know? 'cause that's California gets a bad rap because there's definitely that. Like there's some people that aren't the best. You know, say
Speaker 0 00:35:35 Dude, I relate. I'm from New York. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:35:37 I get it. <laugh>. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, in my small town, like you even had that, but you had some great good people that, I mean the older California was really like, where it was at, there was a lot of great like cool people. I mean like talk about like the last half of like, like 19 hundreds or early two thousands, you know, it's like California was the cool place to be. There was cool people, but they were kind, kind of weren't too about themselves. And so it's definitely changed. But I, I think that was something about the south. It was like, all these people are really cool and even if they have some sort of status, like they talk to you like they've known you forever, you know?
Speaker 0 00:36:10 Yeah. What's, what is LA like as a city? 'cause I've never been there. I've only been, you've never been Only place I've been to San Diego,
Speaker 3 00:36:17 Man. I mean, I haven't been in a second, but LA is, you think it's big, but then you get there and you're like, oh, it's big. Like, I had a buddy the other day telling me, like the first time we went to la he, he drove in at night or something and so he was like, oh, this isn't bad, like the traffic. What? And then the next morning they were like, Hey, let, let's uh, let's go somewhere. And they got back on the 4 0 5 or whatever. He drove in and it's like 10 lanes of traffic, like all backed up. And he was like, oh, you know, it's like, so LA is a lot of traffic and there's a lot of cool stuff. And it's massive though. Like, you, you can drive an hour depending on the time of day and still be in LA if the traffic's bad, you know? And it's like, like it's, it spans a big ways and I don't know, we've always, like the U S C games are always so fun and then we go to like Disneyland or something and we played a ton of water polo down there too. And so I, uh, I'm excited to go back and do some music stuff there. 'cause there's actually a lot of people that I like really respect that are there still. And so it'll be fun to go write. But yeah, my experience of LA has never been horrible, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:37:22 When, when are you going back? You have a trip to
Speaker 3 00:37:24 Man? I don't know. Um, I've had, I've talked to some like publishers and stuff out there. I ultimately don't think I'll end up with them, but I, uh, like rider trip wise, it would be fun to get something next year out there, I think, and lean into that. I feel like my music like lends itself to it could have some crossover writers on it, on it. And I think it would really, it would benefit from that though. You know? I think like there's some cool melody and stuff that happens when you get somebody from LA in a room, you know? And obviously everybody's flying back and forth so much now that it wouldn't be a huge deal to get out there.
Speaker 0 00:37:57 Have you done, have you done the drive,
Speaker 3 00:37:58 The drive from California? Yeah. Right when I moved here, we did it and it was 30 hours <laugh>. Yeah, it was, it was rough.
Speaker 0 00:38:05 Put some hair on your chest right there. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:38:07 Man. Three days. It, it was rough, but it was just me and my dad. It was, but it was, I don't know. It was a cool experience. I won't ever do it again. That,
Speaker 0 00:38:14 That ha that has to be like, looking back, like, I mean, I know you're, you're so, you're so young and it was only like two years ago or whatever, but like to have 30 hours like in a, in a car with your dad. Yeah. Like that's, that's some real like one-on-one time. Especially a trip going to college. 'cause everybody remembers, like, I remember I only went to college like, it was like two hours or two and a half hours from where I grew up. I grew up right on the New York, New Jersey line and my parents dropped me off at college. It was like, okay, home's only two, two hours away, man. Yeah. For you it's like, alright, I'm going out here two times zones away. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:38:49 Home's like a six hour flight, like combination of two flights. Like it's a lot more than Yeah. I mean, it, uh, it was, it was fun. I mean, my dad and I have always been pretty close, so we just, we just kinda hung
Speaker 0 00:39:01 What does, what do, what do your parents do?
Speaker 3 00:39:02 Yeah, so my dad runs this, um, irrigation district. So basically in California it doesn't rain year round like it does here. So all summer it's dry basically, other than like when you get a hurricane, <laugh>, <laugh>. And so, but there's so much snow in those mountains above, like where I live that like, hopefully if it snows enough, it kind of melts off and goes into the lakes. And then my dad's job is basically to like get that water to farmers down in the valley that are growing lake citrus or whatever it may be. A lot of citrus, a lot of like nuts like almonds, walnuts, pistachios, all that. And so basically he's just delivering the water and divvying it up to the right people for however much they're paying for it or whatever it is, you know. So it's a whole different economy that like, Nashville doesn't, like Tennessee, the South in general doesn't really like, have a role for that here, you know? Yeah. It's, it's different. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:39:54 Then what does your mom do?
Speaker 3 00:39:55 Yeah, my mom's always, um, she's been at home since I like can remember, but she does like side things here and there. And then she was like enterprise, like corporate enterprise for a long time. Oh, she was, she was like, she didn't, she dropped outta college, but then she ended up getting like, she was like manager of the whole like Central Valley for enterprise or something like that. Nice. So, so she like, yeah, she was kinda like, all right, I'm done
Speaker 0 00:40:16 With that. <laugh> nice. Yeah, that's what it's funny. That's what Nikki, Nikki t's dad works for no way works for enterprise. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. And we get those deals. We utilize those, those rental cars. Oh. When we're going to festivals and stuff,
Speaker 3 00:40:25 Man. It's clutch. It's clutch. Yeah. No, but I'm, I'm thankful she's, she'd been at home too. It really, it allowed my brother and I to like, have a lot of like different opportunities and go do things that it would've been hard to do if I had two working parents, you know? Yeah. So I'm thankful that that's how we kinda came up. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:40:41 How old's your brother?
Speaker 3 00:40:42 My brother's 16.
Speaker 0 00:40:44 Okay, so you're the oldest.
Speaker 3 00:40:45 Yep. It was just us too, but he's, oh man, people see us and they don't really know who's older. He's like my height. They're not a little taller and just his built and yeah. Man.
Speaker 0 00:40:56 Is he, is he an athlete as well?
Speaker 3 00:40:57 Yeah, he played water polo and stuff and football's kinda same story, but he, uh, I mean he's kind of doing music stuff too here. Oh,
Speaker 0 00:41:04 Cool.
Speaker 3 00:41:05 I don't know. I don't know, um, exactly what it it has for him. Like he could, I could see him going to a school like Texas or Oklahoma or something and building like a fan base out of there as an artist and then bringing it here. Or he might come to Nashville, I'm not sure yet. But he's, he's still figuring things out so nice. Yeah, he's doing well though. Got a little TikTok following going and no
Speaker 0 00:41:24 Shit. Yeah. Yeah. How's, how's the TikTok life been treating you? Because you're, you were just kind of, so you, you moved here and you moved here right after Covid then, right?
Speaker 3 00:41:33 Yeah, uh, yeah. 2021.
Speaker 0 00:41:35 Yeah. So right after, right after, right after all the Covid stuff. Um, and so the TikTok thing was like, was, was popping and was like on the list of things that you, you don't just have to write songs and play shows and meet people now you have to have a presence on the, on the internet. Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:41:51 I mean, I feel like for me, I wish, I wish I would've leaned in it to it harder right when I got to town and built some up during that. 'cause I feel like that was like the prime of like, you could literally post like one video and like, it, like, I feel like now you still can post one video and blow up. We see this with like Oliver Anthony or something like that. But back then, like, it could be anything, like a cover or something, and you never knew what was gonna happen. Now it truly is about consistency and high quality content and making it really good and just stand out. And sometimes it still doesn't. But I mean, for me, it's, it's part of it, you know? It's like, how bad do you want the artist thing? How bad, how bad do you really want it? Because you'll make the sacrifice of your time and effort to go post on TikTok and get that rolling if you truly want it that bad, you know?
Speaker 0 00:42:34 Yeah. And that's hard to do when you're writing five songs a week.
Speaker 3 00:42:37 Yeah. I mean, it's a struggle. My, my management gets mad at me all the time. 'cause I'll be in a write, like I'll be enrolling right in the morning and another in the afternoon. They're like, we need you for this or this. I'm like, all right, all right. I'm trying, you know? And, but I try to post TikTok in between or whatever it is. And it's changing now. It's like the photo care cells, I feel like those do better than straight up videos now sometimes. And it's just trying to always stay on top of it. And for me, it's a tool. It's not like, I, I don't want to think of it as like a make or break. Like, oh, this song has to blow up on TikTok before I put it out. It's like, no, I'm gonna use TikTok as a tool to promote this song, but I love this song and I think it's good.
Speaker 3 00:43:15 And so we're gonna put this out, use it as a tool. And regardless, it's like building up your catalog as an artist and giving people things to listen to is kind of my focus in the next like, year, 18 months or something like that, is really just building it up to where, like, the foundation's there and it's ready. And hopefully one of those songs, each song's kinda like a lottery ticket. Just like each, like each TikTok video is assuming that they're all good and they're all high quality. It's just a matter of which one's gonna pop, you know? Yeah. Have you had,
Speaker 0 00:43:40 Have you had any, 'cause I'm, I'm not on TikTok a whole lot. Yeah, I hear you. We've, we've outsourced it. We've outsourced it for a while now I'm starting. Good for you. <laugh> now, now I'm starting to post the TOS myself mm-hmm. <affirmative> and generate the clips myself and working a lot on that. So for, for like, I'm starting to get on there more, but have you had anything like in particular, kind of like, just,
Speaker 3 00:44:02 Yeah, I mean, that lonely look like song. I never had videos that got like hu like multimillion views or something like that, but I had multiple videos with hundreds of thousands of views and like, kind of consistently. And so I was like, okay, people are eating this song up. Like this is like, yeah, let's put this out. And so it's hard because you kind of like, you want that to happen with every song, but truth is, it doesn't, yeah. And so like with this next song I'm putting out Friday, leaving season, like it's had like some videos here and there, do decent, but hasn't blown your, so like knocked your socks off. But at the same time, I'm like, I'm gonna put it out. And you can always promote it after you put it out too. And so it's, uh, you just gotta remind yourself that from time to time and yeah. Remember, it's just a tool. Yeah. And it's just one social media thing. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:44:43 Dude, you're wise behind you years. I don't feel like I'm talking to a 19 year old right now. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:44:46 Shoot.
Speaker 0 00:44:46 You do. You're, you're, you're, you're doing, you're, you're killing it. So leaving Season, talk about that a little bit. I heard you, you played it at one of our rounds here recently. Yeah. Yeah. Um, who'd you write it with? Why, why that song is the next single? Because when you're writing five a week, it's, you have a lot to choose from.
Speaker 3 00:45:02 A million percent. And it's you, I mean, you kind of just made my point. Um, I wrote that song a year and a half ago now, and so it was, I think the first song that I'd written, or when we finished, I was like, this is a great song. Like, this stands up to a lot out there, you know? And so I wrote that with Nathan Wilson, um, Darien Lay and Liam Coleman. Um, there's a second there where we all wrote quite a bit too. And um, so that song, like, I don't know. There's something about it that I've lived with it a year and a half now and played it out, and it's still like, it's something that I go to and I'm like, I love this song and I think it's good. And so I'll play it in meetings or at rounds or something like that.
Speaker 3 00:45:39 And it's always had a good reaction. And I think with people leaving, um, for college and stuff this fall a lot, it's like kind of worked out timing wise Perfect. Where I was like, this song, I feel like a lot of people are kind of going through what this song portrays and will continue to throughout the rest of the year. So it's like, let this, let's put this song out now and give it a chance. And I think it's truly a display of good songwriting above all else, and like a song that people can grasp onto and really feel like, wait, that's me, that's, I'm going through that right now. You know? And so it's a little different approach. It's like, I mean, some people say it reminds 'em of some of the Zach Bryan stuff or something like that, and hey, I'll, I'll take that, you know? Yeah. But, um, I don't know. I'm, I'm trying to just keep my artistry. The last thing I wanna do is like, like beat it to the ground of the same thing over and over again. So I wanna put out stuff that all is in the same vein, but maybe a little different. So like, this song is obviously a little bit different than Will Only Look Like, and the stuff I have coming after it is gonna be a little different, you know? So. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:46:34 Dude. Yeah. That's freaking, that's freaking awesome. Yeah, man. So what's, what's kind of the next stage as far as your, your artist groups? So like, you have, you have management that you're working with. Yeah. Like are we, you're, you're, you're clearly doing the artist thing. You've gotten a taste of the road as a writer, which that's how, that's how a guy like Morgan started going out with F G L. That's how obviously, like Ernest and Hardy, they all kind of came out of the, the F G L tree, you know? Yeah. You look at guys like Ray Fulcher that are under that, that Luke Combs Street that go out on the road and, and write and now are doing the Yeah. Artist thing at a, at a very high level. Um, what's kind of next, because have you gone out and done like full band shows and stuff like that? So
Speaker 3 00:47:10 We played Whiskey Jam in April and probably Will, um, soon again. But, uh, other than that, no. Whiskey Jam was my first full band show with my own songs. So at home I played a ton of like, acoustic just me and the guitar stuff. And I've done that here a lot, obviously. Well, um, and so I think going forward it's like just kind of taking it day by day. I, the last thing I've always tell people, it's like, I, I definitely like plans here and there, but I never want to be one that's like, well, by next year we have to have this, this, or this, or I haven't succeeded. It's like, for me, I think what God has for me is like so much bigger than I can ever imagine. And if you had told me when I moved to town two years ago that this is what I would be doing in two years, like everything that's happened in the last like year, I would've been like, oh, you're crazy.
Speaker 3 00:47:52 You know? So I've kind of just figured out to where it's like, I'm gonna do my best each and every day and like set the goals where it makes sense, but not, not over set goals to where it's like, oh, well I didn't succeed if I didn't do this, you know? But I, I could see myself in the next like year or so, just like continuing to get these songs out, continuing to build up this fan base and foundation of a catalog and stuff, and going and play like, like acoustic supporting for some guys here and there on the road, just to continue to be on the road a little bit and get on some buses and write with guys as like mentors and as like, maybe I'll open for, I'm not sure yet, but just build up this kind of foundation to where when I do have that one song pop or a buildup of a couple different songs, like, I'm ready and I feel like I'm seasoned on the road and I'm seasoned in the room, and like, have a catalog of artist stuff for people to go listen to and kind of take advantage of that moment when a song does pop.
Speaker 3 00:48:43 And it does like, truly take me to that next level, you know? And it's, dude. Yeah. It's not gonna be an easy road, and very rarely is it a short road to success, but I'm, I'm ready for it and I'm excited, you know, so. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:48:56 Dude, dude, I mean, you're, you're killing it. Like, it's, it's, it's, um, it's been cool to cool to watch you grow and man, do what you're, do what you're doing. And we're very happy to have you in like our, our raise ready family. I'm trying to think of when the first round was that we had you. 'cause man, you know, I had, I think I had you in the, in the, I had you in the, in the round days. I think
Speaker 3 00:49:16 I met, um, I think when I met Hasten that day, Nicky t when I had been talking a little bit. And then when him and I finally like hasten, I finally connected, he was like, all right, come play. You know? And so I think that was the first time, probably, and I mean, I'm just so thankful for you guys. You guys have been nothing but the best to me. And I told you this, um, the other night, but it's like, I feel like I wouldn't be where I am or for as far along in my career if I didn't have stages to play on in Nashville like you guys have given me. You know? And I think it's so important when you're meeting different people, whether it's a publisher or management or a label situation, and they're like, well, when are you playing next? And to be able to tell them like, Hey, I'm playing Live Oak with like, outside the round or raised rowdy. It's like, it's, it's so helpful and it truly furthers and gives your, gives me an opportunity and other artists to showcase what we're doing, you know? So I can't thank you guys enough,
Speaker 0 00:50:05 Dude. And I'm, I'm stoked. We have you on a, I'm doing my first ever anniversary show. Yes, sir. The, the end of this month, um, in, in September. Um, and we've got the, the lineup for that we'll be putting out closer. But I've, I try to structure it where like, I have different, different, different crews on there, there different people. Like I, I like Nikki likes to do this too, where sometimes we, we, we will ask somebody like, we'll, we'll ask, ask you or, or re or yeah. Whoever to bring, like, Hey, you wanna bring, you wanna bring two or three friends with you Yeah. To, to, to fill the round. But other times we like to kind of put people that we think Yes. Need to play together. Yeah. And the round I've got you on is with, with some other
Speaker 3 00:50:46 Younger, young,
Speaker 0 00:50:47 Young folks. And one of 'em is a kid named Aiden Canfield. Yep. Who I love Aiden. I don't know if you do. Okay. So you know Aiden yet. Yeah. So I figured you would you, I hoped you would know each other. Have you met Landon Smith yet?
Speaker 3 00:50:57 Yes. Yeah. His, uh, his manager actually goes to Beaumont. So his, yeah. So they're both two got young guys that I feel like are truly
Speaker 0 00:51:05 Killing it and then probably won't have my other favorite, like under the 20, like one of my favorite under the, I gotta be, I gotta make sure I say one of my favorite. Yeah. Because there's so many of
Speaker 3 00:51:14 You guys in
Speaker 0 00:51:14 Girls. Um, we got Shelby Ray awesome on that round two. So it's gonna be gonna be the four of y'all heck together. Which to me is like, remember like, look, I want it to be like that round specifically to be like, I, we had Carson, Landon, Aiden, and Shelby together. And then fast forward a few years from now, people are be like, how the hell did you have those four together? 'cause you guys all have such, such bright freaking futures man.
Speaker 3 00:51:40 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:51:40 And that, that to me is like, what we like doing is, is finding young folks or, or older folks that we, that we believe in and giving 'em a spot to play. And really, that's part of the reason I wanted to have you on this podcast, dude, man. And I'm happy. I So your first podcast in the books, I, now I know what, what'd, what'd you
Speaker 3 00:51:57 Think? Crazy. I I enjoyed it, man. This is awesome. I mean, we're just hanging.
Speaker 0 00:52:00 Yeah. Do you, I love it. Do you, like, do, do you listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff?
Speaker 3 00:52:03 I, I've tried to recently more. I mean, when you're riding all the time and playing all the time, it's like you can't get in the car and listen to music too. It's just too much. And so I've definitely dove into it more recently on the podcast.
Speaker 0 00:52:13 Any, any, like, any favorites that you like listening to? Mm-hmm. You, you in the Rogan yet? Rogan requires a lot of time.
Speaker 3 00:52:19 No, I haven't dove into the Rogan yet, yet. They're
Speaker 0 00:52:21 Like three hours an episode.
Speaker 3 00:52:23 That's crazy.
Speaker 0 00:52:24 No, mine, I try to keep right about an hour.
Speaker 3 00:52:26 There you go. No, I love that.
Speaker 0 00:52:27 The hours, to me, the hour to me is like the sweet spot.
Speaker 3 00:52:30 Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that too. I've, I've listened to Bobby Bones, does one with a lot of writers in the artist. Yeah. Um, I've, I've listened to that quite a bit. Um, er does one just being sounds funny. Yeah, he
Speaker 0 00:52:42 Does.
Speaker 3 00:52:42 He does a great job. Yeah. I'm side to doing that again. Um, and then I've listened to a couple, um, like my church here in town that I go to Ethos has been, they do one. So one of Miss Service, I'll go to that. Or there's a couple other churches outside of town that have some great ones I'll listen to. Um, and then there was this like one that talked about like the old West that Reed and I were listening to a little bit. Ooh. And it's just all about like California history and stuff. It's pretty crazy. I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head, but That's cool. Yeah, I enjoyed that too.
Speaker 0 00:53:10 Do you take pride being, I know we had you on one of our, um, one of our West turnt nights. Yeah. And we're, we're hoping to do another one of those again. Oh, that'll be fun. Yeah. Before the end of the year. Early next year. We're hoping to do on a, on a Tuesday or a Sunday at Live Oak. Dude, it seems like there's like guys and girls from, from the west, like Nebraska over, I'll say. Yeah. Take a lot of pride in coming from the West and guys like yourself. Yeah. Like Ian, ick, like Tyler Halverson. Exactly. Like, like, um, there's just a lot of guys and girls, like even, um, even uh, like Jenna Paulette or Jenna Master, like Yeah. The take.
Speaker 3 00:53:46 I love
Speaker 0 00:53:47 All of them that take pride in being from the West. Yeah. Especially being here in Nashville where country music at one point was Western. Yeah. Like you had the Bakersfield scene, you had,
Speaker 3 00:53:56 It's crazy. Which I'm an hour from Bakersfield, um, like to the north. And I, I wasn't ever, I wasn't born soon enough to really see what that scene was like, you know? But I, I definitely take pride in it. I feel like, like I might not dress quite like Ian, quite like leaning that hard. And at one time I was definitely, like, when my mom dressed me, I was, I was in Pearl Snaps and cowboy hats and stuff. Yeah. And I truly don't, I don't feel like my music is the perfect representation of that at the moment, but I feel like I take so much pride in it and value that lifestyle so much. I mean, I grew up like riding horses and working cattle. I showed cattle all throughout high school.
Speaker 0 00:54:31 You showed cattle. Did you ever have one like, or one was like a pain in the ass? Oh,
Speaker 3 00:54:36 All the time, man. I mean, those things, you're basically breaking a wild animal into like domesticating 'em into being able to lead 'em around on a halter. So yeah, you definitely have pain and you, you have cattle like run away. You have 'em like, I mean, run you over, kick you. Like it's, it's a joy <laugh>. But no, I take pride in it so much. I think there's so much value in that lifestyle and just what it teaches you. And, um, I truly think it, it kinda gives you an edge when you, when you grow up, um, doing that stuff. There's a certain amount of work ethic and, um, just perspective on life in general that you get by, by being from the West. And especially if you lean into the western lifestyle of riding horses and working on ranches or whatever that may be, you know, I think it's, it's something that not everybody gets to experience. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 0 00:55:24 Yeah. Okay. So got got some, some closing questions for you right here. Yeah. So you're, um, as a, as a concert, as a concert goer. Yeah. As a music fan, um, your, your dream, your dream show. They could be dead, they could be alive. Whoa. Could be any genre. We'll pick, we'll pick three people.
Speaker 3 00:55:42 Dead or alive.
Speaker 0 00:55:43 Dead or alive. So you have like a headliner. You have a direct, like look like how, like the Wallen shows right now have, have Morgan and like Earn or Hardy and then Bailey, like what would your Yeah. Dream thing as a concert goer,
Speaker 3 00:55:56 Man. I mean, if it's dead or alive, like, it might sound cliche, but either Johnny Cash or Mole Haggard would be insane for sure. I don't know where on the direct supporter.
Speaker 0 00:56:05 Okay. Well either way co-head, we can take co-head lining on that. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:56:08 There you go. Man. I, I mean I just grew up on that stuff and that was a huge influence on me for sure. So, um, them and then man, like it would be so cool. Like the Eagles I think would be insane. Yeah. I'd, I've like, been the biggest fan of the Eagles and just love all of their stuff. And gosh, this is gonna be random, but honestly like, I think in their prime, either Stone Tumble Pilots or Nirvana or something
Speaker 0 00:56:36 Like that, bro. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:56:37 I miss, I I just hate that those guys like, um, passed away, so like as soon as they did, because man, I mean, there's some of those bands that are still together, but it would've been so cool to see one of them, um, in their prime of like the early to late nineties, you know? Yeah. Oh, it's like t p is one of my favorites. Um, I mean, NAR Ron's obviously like Kurt Cobain, insane.
Speaker 0 00:56:57 Scott, Scott Wyland. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:56:58 Scott wlan and then, I mean, Allison Chains too, man. So good. Yeah. And I think those songs lead them, lend themselves to so much to like what I'm doing a little bit. You can definitely see how I'm influenced by them. And I mean, country music in general, like the songwriting and stuff, you listen to it and it's like, okay, some of this stuff crosses over to what's happening in country music right now. You, I mean, obviously you have somebody like Co Wetzel that like, specifically says like, I listened to grunge and country growing up and now I'm co wetzel. And so it's like, but there's a lot of people I feel like that are influenced by me included, you know? So Yeah. Such a random answer to that question.
Speaker 0 00:57:32 No, that's a great fucking answer. Yeah, I love, I love that shit. That's a good answer. Um, your dream venue to play, like Carson Wallace at so and so.
Speaker 3 00:57:40 I know a lot of people say it, but I've never even been, but it just looks so cool. Red Rocks. Yeah. I mean, red Rocks or Man, there's some venues in Montana and stuff for Wyoming. Like, it would be so cool just to play big show out there. I don't even know like some of the bigger shows they have, but it'd be pretty, it would be pretty dope.
Speaker 0 00:57:58 Like do like Cheyenne Frontier Days or something, like,
Speaker 3 00:58:01 Just one of those things. Oh man, Cheyenne Frontier Days would insane
Speaker 0 00:58:03 Because that's, that's that full circle thing for you growing up. Yeah. Doing the, doing the, the cattle, the cattle
Speaker 3 00:58:08 Thing that you were doing. Yeah. Rodeo, everything else, man. I mean, so that would be cool also. I think it would be, it would be really dope. Um, there's a, there's a venue in California that I, it's like, they have some shows that are just insane venues. You know, it's like, I, I don't even, for me it's not necessarily like the venue size or something like that. It's just like what feels special and kind of set apart, you know? So there's a few different spots and I'm like, it would be so cool to play there
Speaker 0 00:58:34 One day. So when you're playing Cheyenne Frontier days one day, um, I'd like a, like a guest list spot. Come
Speaker 3 00:58:38 On, man. If,
Speaker 0 00:58:39 Come on. If possible, if you're able to squeeze it in, that'd be
Speaker 3 00:58:41 So cool. Yeah, no, I love
Speaker 0 00:58:43 It. Um, one of your, um, what, what's like your favorite spot to go to in Nashville?
Speaker 3 00:58:48 Hmm.
Speaker 0 00:58:48 It could be like food, food wise. Okay. Where's, where's a good, where's a good food spot? Because you're a Belmont kid, so you've spent a lot of time in the, in the 12 South area.
Speaker 3 00:58:56 Oh, I know, man. Um, dude, food wise though,
Speaker 0 00:59:01 Or even outside of that.
Speaker 3 00:59:02 Yeah, man, I'm trying to think. I, it's bad because when you, we were talking about this the other day, when you're a writer, like artists or something, it consumes you to the point where it's like, what do I even do for fun? You know, <laugh> Yeah. Out here. But man, honestly, it's gonna sound funny, but I hit Baja Burrito pretty often, bro.
Speaker 0 00:59:20 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:59:20 It's just, it goes hard. I don't
Speaker 0 00:59:22 Know. Yeah, I was actually talking about that with my, with my girlfriend the other day. Yeah. Because she, she took her daughter over there for the first time down. Yeah. Ba Burrito. And she's like, it's just, it's just a really good burrito and their bowls are good and it's, it's an interesting part of town too. It's right there. My guitar
Speaker 3 00:59:37 Center. Yeah. It's hard to be, it's hard to be, but no, I love that. And then as far as just like favorite thing to do around Nashville, man, I mean, you go to like Leaper's Fork and just, I love getting out there 'cause it kind of reminds me a little bit of home and ranches and stuff and getting out to where you don't see people like, oh, we did like a photo shoot like past Leapers the other day, like in the middle of nowhere and we stumbled across this like, massive dairy out there. I'm like, where even are we? Like, it felt like a whole different world. But I just love getting out to places like that and really feeling like, like out of the city, you know? It's
Speaker 0 01:00:08 Important. Yeah. It's important to be out of the kind
Speaker 3 01:00:10 Of grounds you back and remind, remind you like why you're in the city and like what you're doing that for and everything else, you know? So, yeah.
Speaker 0 01:00:16 Like I came, when I first moved to town, I lived in Spring Hill. Yeah. Like, you know where Spring Hill's at? Yeah, I do. Yeah. It's about an hour south of town. Yeah. I would commute from there up to Broadway six days a week. Oh, nice. And I was, I was a, I was at the mercy of I 65 going through Williamson, going through, uh, Williamson County.
Speaker 3 01:00:31 Oh, that'll do it to you, man. Going, going
Speaker 0 01:00:33 Up 65 and hitting that Brentwood cool springs, uh, Franklin traffic. Yeah. Yeah. But it was nice to be out in Burn
Speaker 3 01:00:39 County. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0 01:00:40 It's nice to be kind of out there in a way, you know?
Speaker 3 01:00:43 So cool.
Speaker 0 01:00:43 It's good stuff, dude. Well, leaving season comes out, uh, we're dropping this podcast and it is, it'll be out when we're dropping this. Yeah, it's, we're dropping it on the same day. We wanted to make sure we did that for you, man. That's fire leaving season will be be out, man. I'm, I'm super excited for you for what the future brings. The fact that you're only 19, soon to be 20. And also, by the way, I've, I've made this promise to a lot of guys and girls, when you turn 21, we are going to throw you a big ass. We're gonna have some part in a big ass 21st birthday party. Come on, man. Being that we've known you for, for so long
Speaker 3 01:01:15 At a young age. I know. It's gonna be funny. It's gonna be, it's gonna be quite the experience <laugh>. That'll be, that'll be a heck of a day. But
Speaker 0 01:01:22 Itll be fun. Yeah. We'll, we'll make, we'll make sure to that we, um, we made that special for you. People go to find, it's Carson Wallace music on everything.
Speaker 3 01:01:28 Carson Wallace music on everything. TikTok, Instagram. YouTube, all of it.
Speaker 0 01:01:33 Hell yeah, dude. Well man, man, we appreciate you, appreciate you. Happy to have you as like, as one of our, one of our little brothers in this, in this race rowdy thing that we're doing, man. And so happy to have you as a part of the family. Excited for what's to come, bro. Leaving season's gonna be a, I have a good feeling about leaving season. I really, and I feel like all the stars are aligning for you right now, man.
Speaker 3 01:01:50 Yes sir. Ah, I appreciate it. I'm so thankful for you guys and just thankful to be on here, man.
Speaker 0 01:01:55 The world. Hell yeah. Well y'all be sure to check out our boy Carson Wallace, his new single leaving season is out right now. Y'all be sure to go and stream the heck out of that thing and don't just stream it, buy it on iTunes as well. Support our little brother over here. Be sure to follow him on Carson Wallace Music. Um, and be on the lookout. He plays our events very frequently. If you're here in Nashville or you're visiting Nashville and you see him on the lineup, you don't wanna miss it because one day you, not too far from now, you will be paying money to go and see him live at all places all around the country buying tickets to the Carson Wallace shows. Um, and we appreciate him very much and happy to have him as a part of the family. Um, shout out to our friends from big friendly Productions. Uh, appreciate them supporting the program. Of course, Saxon Studios are friends from Whale Tail Media, our boy Matt Cel behind the camera. Be sure to follow
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Speaker 4 01:03:05 Come on. I ain't never been to one place for too long. I ain't never been the best at say. I love you too. A girl I love only got a couple tricks of my sleeve. They usually just make them leave. So if you love me,
Speaker 1 01:03:42 If
Speaker 4 01:03:42 You really know me, know, I'm just a two trick on it. But maybe the drink and the lack of money for show, I'm just a two trick.
