Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Come on.
This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill, a rage rowdy podcast.
What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of Outside the Round with me, Matt Burrill. Today, a very special guest, a new friend of the family.
She's got a brand new project out. Keep it peachy. She's a recent Nashville resident. Been here for a couple months. Nashville's newest, Bella May.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: Hi. Thank you so.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: And I believe this'll be like, I've done over 300 of these episodes now, and I think you're my first guest from the uk.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: No way.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: I've had Australians on. I've never had a UK guest.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: Okay, so can you distinguish an Australian to English accent?
[00:00:52] Speaker A: Yours? I can't. I normally can. You sound very Australian.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: No way. Okay. So I get this all the time, but apparently a lot of English people get this here. And like, okay, I will say.
I will say this. I love America. I love Americans.
One thing I don't know whether is, like, amazing across the board is the geography. Like, a lot of people I speak to.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Is this offensive?
[00:01:16] Speaker A: I'm sorry. No, no, not at all. Well, you got it. Well, you got to think. I mean, we'll dive, we'll get into the music and you and all that. But I want to go on this right now, this little tangent that we've embarked on.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: I will say anywhere Western of here.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: It's just like, a lot of Americans I speak to will be like, oh, my gosh, you have an accent. And I'm like, I do have one. Yeah. But, like, it's. Which one is it? I don't like. It's an English accent. And then they're like, oh, my gosh. My, like, boyfriends, cousins, you know, dogs, like, breeder went to Italy once. And I'm like, we are not.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: What I think why. I think the English accent gets so confused. Is one. Like, there's different accents within the uk yes. Scottish sounds different from Irish. Sounds different from Welsh. Sounds different from Northern England. Sounds different from Southern England. And then the colony thing.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: There's a reason South Africans sound English.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: Right.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: There's a reason Australians and New Zealand sounds English.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: I mean, okay, English.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: English.
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's how we started. You know? You want to hear.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: I know, but.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: But I think that's why we get it so confused, is because there's been so much like, English is such a big language because y' all are the mothership for it.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: We were nasty.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: I know. Well, we've. We're American History's got a lot of stuff, too.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: I know. And now you have, like, a whole day for independence against us. And now I live here and I. I live it up on the 4th of July, and I'm like, happy independence.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Have you experienced the 4th of July here yet?
[00:02:47] Speaker B: 1. But I don't know whether I really went for it. Like, I've got everything to play for this year.
Like, I think I should do something fun for it because it's a big. It's a 2, 250 years this year. Right?
[00:02:56] Speaker A: Yeah. This is a big, big one. Where. Where did you celebrate your first Fourth of July with us?
[00:03:01] Speaker B: I was in Nashville, but I just. I saw the fireworks in the Nashville. Fireworks?
[00:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. We like to blow stuff up here. That is a big American thing.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Do you know we have an entire. In the uk, an entire day called Bonfire Night, which is just a firework night, but it goes on for weeks, obviously, and it's because of when Guy Fawkes was gonna blow up Parliament.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: So now we celebrate it on the 5th of November every year, and we have a firework day. That's the one thing I will say about the UK is we have many silly little dates, like Pancake Day. Have you ever had a pancake day?
[00:03:32] Speaker A: No, but I'm intrigued.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: So it's actually called Tro Tuesday after. It's like. It's when Lent starts.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Oh. So it's around the religious thing.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: It's actually a religious thing, but everyone forgets it's a religious thing. Yeah. You are kind of, like, cast out of English culture if you don't eat pancakes for breakfast and dinner on pancake Day, and then everyone, like, quit something for lens. You're supposed to, like, go crazy on pancake.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like your day of indulgence.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Chocolate, cheese on a pancake, everything. And then. And then we do Ash Wednesday, and that's the start of Len. But you guys don't have Pancake Day, which is crazy. Like, it's in our calendars. Like, on our, like, Apple calendar, it'll say Pancake Day swear.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: And it's like, and what? So that's in the spring. So do you guys have school on Pancake Day, or do you get off of pancakes? Oh, and you just eat a ton of pancakes at school.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: When I think about, like, my stuff, like, childhood going to school on Pancake Day, like, that was in assembly. First thing you talk about is what you had on your pancakes that morning.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: So you couldn't. You can't not do it. Outcast from society.
[00:04:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
Wow. That's like. We have Groundhog Day. Do you guys have anything like that? Do you have a small animal that decides if it's gonna become spring or stay winter?
[00:04:41] Speaker B: So I, I actually know the movie Groundhog Day. Yeah, it just keeps repeating. And so we had that saying, like Groundhog Day, where like just the same day over and over again, and I remember asking somebody about this. I was like, why is it called that? I didn't even know that a groundhog was a tiny little animal.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: It's like a little rodent, like a little chunky thing that pops its head out and like eats your flowers.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah, but they're annoying, right?
[00:05:04] Speaker A: They are. They are a nuisance. Yeah, they are. They are a nuisance. My girlfriend's got one in her backyard and it's been dormant for now. He's starting to come out again and we've set traps for him.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: How long has he been doing for?
[00:05:15] Speaker A: He's been. Well, so they hibernate in the winter. So it's like he lives under the porch and then he'll come out and then you try to catch him. And he being as chunky as is, he still moves pretty quick.
[00:05:25] Speaker B: What are you catching with, like some cheese?
[00:05:26] Speaker A: You, you put. Yeah, you bait him with like a trap. I mean, if you're out in the country. If you're out in the country, you can just shoot him. But she's not. She's in a residential area, so can you call somebody? You can, but they're. They've even had trouble.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: And. And her little, her. She has a little 8 year old girl that I'm like a pseudo step. I'm becoming a stepdad too, you know, which is awesome. But the little girl's like obsessed with it. She's like named the Grant. Charlotte is her name. She's named the Groundhog. Like she.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Oh, I thought the groundhog was called Charlotte.
[00:05:53] Speaker A: No, no, no. Charlotte is the girl.
[00:05:56] Speaker B: Very profound name.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: No, Right, right. Yeah, yeah. The ground we've named.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: Why don't we make like a little charcuterie board.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And just I think that bait it with some wine and cheese.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: I think it's obviously very sophisticated.
If it's like out calling you, maybe. Yeah. Some like a different display of cheeses and meats.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And you. And you can tell how. How well it has survived by how big it is because it's just a survivor.
It is in fact a survivor.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: One natural selection.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: So you've been out here in Nashville full time for what?
[00:06:25] Speaker B: Okay. So I've been coming back and forth from Nashville for like two, three years, like every other month. So I feel like I've been here a long time.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:33] Speaker B: But I actually only officially moved. Maybe like March. I went back in March. I was here for January and February, went back in March, moved out of my London apartment within two weeks and came out here with two suitcases. And then I've been here ever since.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is crazy.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: So. So have you experienced the tornado stuff yet? Like the chaos of the storms and the sirens going on?
[00:06:54] Speaker B: I've kind of done two, maybe three tornado seasons and I've managed to just sail through them all. I've always been like, out of the state whenever it's like, we've had like tornado warning, so they've actually been okay.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: Also, I will say the UK has nothing like this.
[00:07:10] Speaker A: Yeah. What is the extreme weather? It's just like foggy and cold sometimes, Right.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: Extreme what? Nothing that can kill you. Like, no dangerous animals, no poisonous snakes, nothing. We have no extreme weather. The whole scope of Temperature is like 20 degrees up and down through the winter and summer. That's it. It's just a great country. You can't get a town. There's no uv, there's no tornadoes, no tsunamis, no earthquakes. There's nothing.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: And we have, we have all of
[00:07:35] Speaker B: those things to, like, learn on my feet.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Like, you know what you do in a tornado? Got to go under, like the stairs or something.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: Some people put helmets on their kids.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: Cuz if you get thrown, like, hey, you got. You got to be in the. In the room with no windows.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: That's what you got to do.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: If you're in an apartment, it's like, what do you.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: I don't know. Because I'm like trying to pick an apartment on natural light because I want so much.
[00:07:58] Speaker A: You want that.
[00:07:59] Speaker B: You want natural light with three tornado season right now, right?
[00:08:02] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. I mean, they can. They can pop up whenever.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: I know. I tell you what is crazy though, it can just like rain really fast.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: And it just goes away.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: That's kind of fun.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: I'll just be like on a walk and then it's like downpouring.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah. What'd you think of Nashville when you first started coming out here? Like, take me back a couple years ago.
[00:08:19] Speaker B: So I first came out when I was 18, like five years ago. And was it 18, 19?
[00:08:23] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:08:24] Speaker B: I came out and it was March, and actually you guys had just been hit by a super Bad tornado. Do you remember the 2020 tornado in East.
[00:08:31] Speaker A: Oh, you were here right before COVID Yeah, I saw.
[00:08:33] Speaker B: I was here the two weeks before we went into lockdown. I was on the last flight.
There was five of us on the plane.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: Holy cow.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: It's crazy.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Three of those were us. Me and my two parents. It's like, two other people on the plane because, like, Trump was in then, and he was like, you've got 24 hours to get out of the country. I was like, what?
What? I was like, literally. I remember eating my first biscuit at the time. Biscuit loving. The Goldman knew, so we had to get home. I was like, this is crazy. Anyway, but I remember landing, and I was like, I want to live here. Like, I've never felt so, like, drawn to a place, like, in my life. Just, like, genuinely on, like, a soul connection. Like, I think I'm supposed to be here way. And then I kind of tease the idea to everyone, like, I want to move to Nashville when I was, like, 20. And obviously that's, like, so much harder to do than just being like, okay, I'm going to move. And then it took me, yeah, five years, and I've finally done it. So that's kind of crazy to think that, like, I have actually wanted to do this for five years.
[00:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And you got your start. You really started pursuing the music stuff in those teenage years, right?
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Walk me through kind of how you got your start of writing songs and then having the confidence to post them to the world on TikTok and Instagram and stuff like that.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: I think the less you know, the better with those types of things, you know, like, you are just so green. Like, you're writing these songs that, like, honestly, looking back now, I. I'd have to cover my ears. Like, I just wouldn't want to listen to them. But that's, like, act. That's just what it takes. And so being, like, pretty shameless is, like, the best thing that you can be with those types of things. I was always writing songs, wrote songs, like, as a kid, wrote songs as a teenager. I was, like, a super emotional, like, intense kid, like, out of, like, I have two beautiful sisters. Out of all three of us, I'm the one that was like, I felt everything so, so intensely. So, like, thank goodness I, like, got an outlet. So I started writing songs, and I was just constantly, constantly playing. I was, like, always just in my room playing. And then I released my first song, I think, when I was, like, 17.
That's actually how I Got and, like, ended up coming out here because I had this one song release, and my mom. My parents have, like, always been my biggest fans ever.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: Yeah, parents are the best. When you got good parents, nothing beats that.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Like, if I've got two fans, it's them. Like, they are absolute ride or die. And my mom was like, you know, I was, like, 17. I had this one song out. She was like, who could I, like, send this to? Like, who's the biggest person in country music? She was like, Dolly Parton. So she finds Dolly Parton's manager's email, sends it to him, like, hi, this is my daughter. Megadown did this, and, like, the song was not great. Like, he really wasn't. She sends this email. I don't even know how she found the email. He replies, wow. He's like, let's do a call. So we all do this call. And then he was.
He was actually backing a show called Song Suffragettes.
[00:11:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very familiar.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: In downtown Nashville. And he was like, they're doing this thing where they're bringing it over to the uk. Like, I think you would be great for it. They're also doing, like, an anniversary show. There's some things going on. We'd also love to meet you. Would you want to, like, come to Nashville to do any of that stuff? And so, like, the next week was then, like, yeah, March 2020. And I flew.
Flew out with them, did the show, did the meetings, and then went. Literally. Yeah, like I said, had, like, a week to get back to the. To the uk. And then I just wrote songs. It's all I did through Covid was just write songs. And then I ended up writing this song called Boyfriend of the Year, which was probably the first song I'd ever put on TikTok. And again, I was, like, so green, and I had nothing to lose. It could have gotten two views, and it didn't. It got, like, a few views. Yeah, it got, like, a few. And that was, like, the start of, like, my career then, where there was, like, people calling and. And then, yeah, Dolly's manager was, like, a. Of a great mentor of mine in terms of, like, what that process looked like, because I was like, what am I supposed to do?
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Well, shout out to mom for digging up that email and then shout out to you for just keeping it. Keeping it going and having that. Like, you don't put as much pressure on yourself when you don't know what you don't know.
[00:12:31] Speaker B: Yes, exactly.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Like, you said, like, being green makes you want to take those chances because you don't know what the. What the right thing or the wrong thing is, but you throw enough darts, you're going to hit a bullseye.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: You know, so that's. That's freaking awesome.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: That's very, very exciting. Now tell me about this project. Keep it peachy.
[00:12:48] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:12:49] Speaker A: Where does the name come from? We were talking with Mitch and Mitch and the gang out there and talking about your. Your content. He was saying, tangerine. I'm like, it's a peach.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: It's a peach.
So close.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:59] Speaker B: So it's like such a male waiver interpreting color.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[00:13:02] Speaker B: I actually think most men are, like, partially colorblind, so that makes sense. I mean, I don't know statistically, really, I think a lot of men are too colorblind.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: So we.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but keep it peachy. I have, like, been trying to work peach or peachy into a title for, like, two years now, least. Like, I don't know why I was just so obsessed with peaches. I loved, like, the sentiment of it. I love, like, how it's like a country. Like, it's like a southern girl. It's like a peach. I was always called a peach, like, as a nickname from, like, my family and friends. So I've always just loved peaches. Honestly, they've always just reminded me of, like, a southern summer.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Have you had one in Georgia yet?
[00:13:40] Speaker B: Oh, okay. So I went to Atlanta. I had a show in Atlanta, like, last month, like, maybe the month before. And so I was like. I was. Who knew Keep a Peachy was coming out? So I was like, it's the peach date. This is a perfect time for me to get, like, as much peachy content as possible.
There was, like, a drought on peaches there. I swear, I can't understand what they're doing wrong. I was expecting every corner I walk around to be like, peach matcha, peach croissant, peach, like, you know, ice cream. Like, everywhere I went, I couldn't find anything peachy because I wanted to do. I hadn't announced that it was called keepy peachy yet. And I was dropping hints left, right, and center. So I wanted to do like, a what I eat in a day date edition where I was in Atlanta. And everything I ate breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, was all peach stuff.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: All peaches.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah. So I was expecting peach matcha in the morning. Peach, like I said, croissant, like a peach on a pizza. Like, whatever. Like, just really go for it. Yeah. I couldn't find anything. So No, I haven't had a Georgia page. I've also Controversial opinion. I've heard that South Carolina peaches are better.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I like the. I like both of them. Honestly. I like.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: Have you had that, too?
[00:14:49] Speaker A: I've had both of them. Yeah. I've had. I've. I've gotten tour around. I used to be a tour manager, so I was around. I've gone all over the place. And I'm actually going to Georgia this weekend for a festival.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: So I'm going to have to see if I can find some peaches. I'll send. I'll send you a picture.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: I will say it wasn't peach season yet.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's another thing, too. With all the crops that are grown here in the States, like, everything kind of has a season. I forget where in Georgia it is, but there's somewhere on the highway where there's a giant peach. It's either in Georgia or South Carolina, but you'll have to find that. It's like you drive on the interstate and it's like instead of a billboard, it's just a giant peach. It's like they turned a water tower into a peach.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: Red James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl.
[00:15:29] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Yeah. Was that one of your inspirations for loving peaches?
[00:15:34] Speaker B: That back then, that was one of my favorite children's books. And maybe this has started from, like, a young age that, like, I've always loved. I do. I love a stone fruit. I do.
I love it. But if I want to go really honest on you for a second, I will say that, like, I love how a peach is, like, super sweet and like, I don't know, soft and whatever on the outside.
And then it's super gritty on the inside. And I will say that I do think that's how I've, like, portrayed and gone about this whole project of just like. I think me as an eye is just super sweet. And then I'm just like, not always is like smiley right on the inside. Like, I have a lot of big girl feelings.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: I'm going to. I've never done this before, but since you're here, I got to do it. I'm going to swap out that can.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Is it a peachwood peach tea? Yay.
Okay, let me try. I don't even know what time it is. It's.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: It's back in England. It's like, right. Seven o'. Clock.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: It's actually happy hour.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's happy hour. Try it. Your first peach tea.
[00:16:38] Speaker B: It's sensational.
This is exactly what I need.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Over there you go. Yeah, yeah. So we'll, we'll send you home with some of those. But I was like, wait, we're talking about peaches. Keep it peachy. Bella May I know peach tea.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: Keep it peachy.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Keep it peachy. So is this your, is this your first like project that you've put out or has it just been single so far? Have you done the album like EP thing before?
[00:16:59] Speaker B: No. So I have never done an album. I have done two eps before now.
But I will say this is like the first project where I just feel so connected to like the sentiment of it.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: What's different about it from those other releases?
[00:17:14] Speaker B: I think it's just so connected with like exactly where I am as an artist. The whole like imagery that I want to like portray in the world I want to bring you into. I've just never been like more excited about. I just love everything about it. Like I'm. The one thing I love is when an artist is like super committed to the bit like just they have their thing and they just go for it. And I feel like this is like the first time where I've just been like. I think the whole peachy branding is so me and so like in every single way, in like a more like deeper sentimental way. But also just like I genuinely love like everything peachy and the imagery of it and so I'm just so excited about that, you know, how is your
[00:17:53] Speaker A: songwriting changed since coming out here? And I'd imagine you, you were talking about writing those songs like after going back across the pond. I'd imagine a lot of those were solo rights.
[00:18:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: I mean and now to get into the co writing world and being in be in a city where it's just full of talented collaborators and people that are dreamers and creatives.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean there's really nothing like, there's nothing like collaborating with people here because like the priority is so on like the stories and the lyrics and that's always been my favorite thing.
So for an artist like me, it's like Disneyland for a songwriter because there's just like the most amazing musicians and the most amazing producers and they all just have the same goal and just love music and you can really feel that. I think I would always prioritize self rights though. I think. I think that's where the real magic comes as an artist is when you make sure that you aside time to really go into how you feel and your concepts. I come up with all of my concepts. Yeah. And Then I go in with them into, like, the kite rise.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Well, there's a difference. There's. There's a few different, like, roles that a guy or girl could have in this town when it comes to, like, songs and everything. You have, like, your songwriters, you have your singers, you have your musicians, your producers, your industry team people. Then you have artists. And artists, to me are people that write, that are on the. Have the songwriter bug, but also have the singing bug, you know, and that's, to me, what makes an artist. Like, there's so many great people that are performers, but aren't songs you look at. Like Garth Brooks, who I know is huge, has always been huge in the UK and in Ireland and Scotland and all that. But, like, he isn't a songwriter, but he made. He was a performer, you know, and a singer. But I feel like right now, like you said, it's a huge time for folks that are artists that want to have their finger on the pulse of everything that you're putting out under your name and under your brand you want to have a huge part in.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, there's. There's multiple ways to do this job. There's no right way of doing it. I think there's like, also, like, singers and then there's like, artists.
[00:19:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Like, this. You can be whatever you want to be. But I do think artists, like you create are like. I think if you were to look up a definition, this is just my opinion. And so I think that, like, at the heart of that, like, I am telling, like, I'm selling you a story. Realistically. I'm going on stage and, like, I'm singing to you something that I've written about, like, emotions that hopefully you're gonna connect to. And so if I want to feel like I can go out on stage every single night and, like, tell that story, like I believe it, it's probably gonna have to have come from, like, a real life experience of mine, but that's just the way that I work, you know, Like, I want to feel like I'm actually connected to it because then I can tell it like, it's a true story.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And you talk about going on stage. You just went out with my friend Ashley Kutcher, your first American tour. What was that experience like? And where all did you go?
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. So it was like 21 shows.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Oh, wow. So it was like a tour.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: It was a tour. And also it was my first US Shows. So we really just, like, hit the ground running, literally. Yeah, just like went and did it as my. Yeah. First time doing, like, going to these, like, places, most of these states and, you know, cities is my first time there. Which I think was honestly super fun for me and the audience because it was just like, you could tell we were just excited experiencing that together.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Ashley is just unbelievable. Like, she's an amazing time.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: Incredibly underrated too.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: So good. I could see how, like, sonically, you and personality wise, how you two would vibe really well together. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Did you know her before the tour?
[00:21:25] Speaker B: Yes. So we had met on like, I think Instagram, honestly, like, years ago and we'd actually written a few songs together.
[00:21:30] Speaker A: Oh, nice.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: And I will say, like a huge, huge, like, drive for us. Wanting to do it together was like, we have such a crossover of fan base. Like, if you. If she ever comments on my stuff, there'll be like a little like swarm of people. Be like, oh, my gosh, you guys are friends. Or like, you know, the same way. Whereas we were like, we think it'll be really fun if we were to do it together. And it was like, it was so great to go out every night and like, I had no idea what to expect but to go out and like, there'd be so many people singing my songs, which is so crazy, on a show that wasn't mine and in a country that's not mine. It was super. Just like, it warmed my heart so much.
But yeah, I will have. I'd have people coming up to me and being like, oh, my gosh, I love your friend, your song Stay Friends. And I'm like, that's crazy because Ashley wrote that with me and like, that I, you know, I thought was like, amazing. So we had written together and like, we'd wanted to do it a while. We actually wanted to do it her last tour, but I didn't have my visa yet.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: Well, it all worked out now.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Where were some of your favorite places that you got to go or somewhere that surprised you?
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. The underdogs I loved, like, Ohio. They are the most amazing Ohio music
[00:22:38] Speaker A: fans are some of my favorites. I love, like, going to. We do a fest. We help out with a festival every year in western Ohio and it is just the nicest people. And they're just, they're blue collar, they're hard working and they just, they have such an appreciation for what you guys and girls do on stage. Stage.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah. I really felt like they were just really great people that really appreciated a performance.
And so, like, I, like, met a Bunch of people after the show, and they were like, please come back. Also, like, no one comes to Ohio, so please come back. And I think that's why it was such a fun show.
There was. Honestly, there was quite a few that I really did that I really loved.
Yeah. Like, Chicago was great.
[00:23:17] Speaker A: Another. Another cool market. Really? Had you been there before?
[00:23:20] Speaker B: No.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: It's a cool city. Yeah, it's a very cool city.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: I would love to go back and have a pizza.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, you didn't get to have time.
Yeah. Are you. Are you a foodie?
[00:23:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I am, too.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: And it's what's cool. And I'm sure it's like this in. In the UK and throughout. Throughout Europe as well, where it's like each area kind of has its own thing.
[00:23:42] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: In the States, it's very much. Each area has its own thing.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: Yes. That's, like, truly what kind of came to my mind every time we got to a place was like, I could recognize a place usually by the food.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: And, like, what has, like. I don't know, especially being international, I feel like it's a bit, like, touristy or, like, gimmicky, but, like. Yeah, you do. I do think of pizza. I think of a deep day. I meant me in Chicago.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: And I think, yeah.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: Dish pizza. Yeah, for sure.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: They have a place called Portillo's, and it's like a sandwich spot, but they do hot dogs, and then they do chocolate cake. It's like a very weird. Like, that's the things they specialize in. And they make a chocolate cake milkshake, and there's pieces of the chocolate cake in the milkshake.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: I'm such a sweet.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Chicago is. They go hard.
[00:24:26] Speaker B: You know, Something I've always wanted to try is, you know, like, the Bruce chocolate cake from Matilda.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: What's. I don't. I don't know any.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: I think of Bruce. I think of Springsteen. Matilda. I know my. I know my girlfriend's little girl loves that movie, but.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah, go and ask Charlotte whether she knows of the Bruce chocolate fudge cake. It's like 10 layers of chocolate fudge cake. And that's. I've always wanted to try that, but I will. I will try a chocolate chip cookie in almost every place I go. Yeah, that's my thing. I love a cookie.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: Do you have to have it heated up a little bit?
[00:25:00] Speaker B: I would prefer for it to be, like, a little bit of salt and warm. Yeah.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: Okay.
That's awesome. I love it. Have you been to Texas yet?
[00:25:08] Speaker B: Yes, we did three shows in Texas, so that was fun.
I must have had a cookie there, but obviously it didn't stick out to me.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: What is the, the like, perspective of. Because it's like Tex. There's. There's always been and it's not as bad anymore, but there was always this divide between like Nashville and Texas country. And now the bridge has been like. Because a lot of the guys and girls from Texas will come out here and have teams out here and it works. But it's like Texas even is considered like. A lot of people think of it as like its own country in a way. Like, it's why it's a different type of thing. So what were your thoughts your first time as an international girl going to Texas? And I know when you're touring you don't spend that much time there. It's like you get into the show, go to the next place. But what were your thoughts?
[00:25:54] Speaker B: Okay, so two things I will say about Texas in general.
I had been once before and I'd been to Houston and I had been to the rodeo.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: I can't tell you one Texas experience was the Houston rodeo.
[00:26:07] Speaker B: Actually, no. I had been to Austin too, to see Dolly partner South by South. Okay, so I'd been to Austin.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: So south by Southwest in Houston Road. That's like me. That's like me. My only time going to England is going to Wimbledon. That's our. That's like Wimbledon.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah, but like, like, but you see
[00:26:21] Speaker A: some stuff, buy some things.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah, my jaw was on the floor. I kept asking the people that I was with whether it was legal. I was like, there was no way this is legal. So they had this thing called mutton busting at the Houston area.
Little kids on these sheep and they just let them free and it's who can stay on the longest.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: And then they fall off. And then like the whoever's like, I don't know, made it, they put the camera on them immediately. Like five year old crying their eyes out.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:48] Speaker B: Like 90,000 people, they're like, yeah, this would not fly in the uk. Like, we have so much red tape. So much like rules and regulations. Like, I was like, this is mental. Like, this is so crazy. So that was one time I went and I went also to a restaurant called Taste of Texas.
I've thought about that little cheese bread like forever. It was so good.
The other thing I will say about Texas is in the uk, it definitely has this rep of just being like the coolest place on earth. So I don't know whether it's maybe the Cowboys and the Dallas or Chuck
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Norris, Walker, Texas Ranger, stuff like that.
[00:27:28] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: The whole cowboy thing.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yes. I think it's like a Yellowstone.
I don't know, ideal. So my mom is one of these people.
She was so jealous that she wasn't. She, like, almost flew out for the Texas shows, and I was like, I really don't think that you should fly out for these Texas shows. Like, we're going to meet in a. And she just thinks it's, like, really glamorous. Cowgirls with, like, really cool jeans and a hat. And, like, that's just what the streets are like now. I like Texas, but, like, it's a little.
[00:27:56] Speaker A: It's not that rougher than that. Yes. It's not that.
There's events where that rodeo and that Western culture showcases.
Your mom's gotta fly. Have you been to Vegas yet?
[00:28:06] Speaker B: No, I've never been to Vegas.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: Your mom. Shout out to mom right here. Y' all gotta go out to Vegas in December. They do a thing called nfr. It's the National Finals Rodeo.
[00:28:16] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: And it's two weeks, and they do a thing called Cowboy Christmas. And it's all, like, the top Western shops and, like, just this giant, like, it's like, three stories of, like, vendors and, like, shots.
If you're wanting, like, the glamorous, like, and you want to experience that culture. And it's all throughout the Vegas strip where the casinos are. Yeah, you guys, you got to go out to nfr.
[00:28:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: That would be. Your mom would lose it. And it's Vegas. If you've never been to Vegas, that is.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: I've never been to Vegas. I think I am somebody that does get a little overwhelmed, and I do think I would be overwhelmed.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, you do it in, like, though in, like.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: But I'll do it in some places.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's a lot. A lot of stuff out there. Do you like gambling?
[00:28:53] Speaker B: I've never gambled.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: Oh, you guys not allowed to. Is that another uk? Do they not have casinos in the uk?
[00:28:59] Speaker B: We do. We do have it. I just have never.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: I actually have been to a casino one time, and it was on this Ashley Kutcher tour. So basically, I had the best time of my life, but I did get a little poorly, so I.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: A little what?
[00:29:13] Speaker B: Poorly. Like, a little ill.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: I didn't know what you meant by that.
[00:29:17] Speaker B: There's poorly.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I knew what you said when you said mental and, like, things like that. Like, I know what those mean?
[00:29:23] Speaker B: We have, like, an obscene amount of, like, five phrases and sayings that, like, you guys don't really say. Yeah, anyway, we'll come on to that.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: Yes, we'll get to that.
[00:29:30] Speaker B: It's like, it's. Yeah, it's crazy. So pull me up if there's ever a word you don't know. What was I saying?
[00:29:35] Speaker A: You were saying you were feeling poorly in a casino with Ashley.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. So I don't travel the way you guys travel. My country is the size of, like, Ohio. Literally, it's tiny. I can do the whole thing in, like, eight hours. We're not used to being in the car. I get unbelievable, like, vertigo throughout this tour, which, like, I thought I would be fine, but I also was prepared that, like, I probably didn't. Like, I wasn't gonna do more than
[00:30:00] Speaker A: 10 hours in the car.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: Right. And it just hit me so bad. I got these, like, really bad, like, vertigo, migraine things going on for, like, two weeks.
[00:30:07] Speaker A: Those are the worst.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: So when we were doing the casino show, she was doing a show in a casino.
It was the worst experience of my life. Like, imagine having, like, vertigo and being in a casino.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: Oh, it's just all the lights and all the buzzes.
[00:30:20] Speaker B: Crazy. Yeah. I just had my sunglasses on the whole time, and I was just like this.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: There's always one girl with her sunglasses on in the casino.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Usually having a good time, though. And I was just like, oh, my God.
So, yeah, they all had the best time in that casino, and I couldn't partake in anything. So, yeah, I'm yet to do my casino debut. It looks like it's going to be in Texas with my mom and some cowboy boots.
[00:30:43] Speaker A: So it's in Vegas?
[00:30:44] Speaker B: I think so.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: No, Las Vegas is in Nevada.
So it's in Nevada. It's not in Texas.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Oh, did I say Texas?
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like, Texas goes to Nevada.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:30:53] Speaker A: So Vegas is also in a desert. I don't know if you know this
[00:30:56] Speaker B: saying how bad the geography is of America. Two minutes ago. No, I was like, I do know it's in. I just meant to say Vegas. It just rhymes.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: We got. We got. Yeah, it's okay. We got. We've got 50 states, and two of them aren't even connected to the country. Like, we have Alaska, and there's a lot to learn. Like, you just got here. I know you've been coming back and forth.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: I did try and London all I did. I did get into, like, a habit of being Able to say all 50 states. I couldn't do it. Now there's a lot of M's.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: Missouri, Montana, Mississippi, Maine, Maine, Minnesota.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: There's a lot of Minis. Actually. That's really hard for us to say. Minneapolis has taken me a long time, really, to say. My mom, she can't say that. She says mini. Mini.
There's just like one too many.
[00:31:41] Speaker A: Awesome. But, yeah, Vegas. You know it's in a desert.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: I do.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: There's nothing around it.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: It's just a city. And then miles. Hundreds of miles of desert.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: So dry.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just nothing. It's just. It's just a city and, like, popped up in the.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: Who just went to the desert and thought this would be a great place for the biggest casino culture in the world.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: The mafia. The mafia, who are my friends? So I'm from New York, so I like to showcase that on here.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: So I got some Yankees baseball players. This guy Ron Guidry, unfortunately, he's missing an arm. He's a pitcher. He's a pitcher, but he had a tough game.
He sure did. Don Corleone from the Godfather. Is that a big movie? Is that a cultural thing in the. I feel like that is everywhere. And Garrett Cole and then the Statue of Liberty that I got at a.
Got at a thrift store. We got a knife with an eagle on it. That's very American.
Thrift store or pawn shop? That's pawn shop. You. Do you guys have pawn shops in the uk?
[00:32:33] Speaker B: Yeah, not really.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Not really. Pawn shops are a huge thing. It's particularly in the South. These feast. Have you been in one of those yet?
[00:32:38] Speaker B: I have not, but I will.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: You should.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: That's like a cultural thing we should do.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: That is. That'll be that. Talk about some content.
You going into a pawn shop and just seeing the crazy stuff that's in there. Like, there's some crazy stuff.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: I'm up for it. And then a lot of raccoons.
[00:32:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So raccoon is our logo. We're like. We're big fans of the trash pandas.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I love that.
[00:32:59] Speaker A: We love raccoons. We. They're fun, they're cute, they're cuddly. But if you mess with them, they'll jump at you like the raccoon.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: You've seen Elf?
[00:33:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: Did you just say that? Like elf?
[00:33:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: That's what I think of every time I think of a raccoon and it goes, does somebody need a cuddle?
I love that scene so much.
[00:33:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: Okay, so we're kind of similar because like you're from New York.
[00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: And that's the closest thing to the uk.
[00:33:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: In terms of like, you can feel the London. Have you been to London?
[00:33:29] Speaker A: No, I've. So I've been, I've only been out of the country once and it was on like a bougie vacation with my girlfriend down to St. Louis Lucia.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: So I've never left. I haven't even been to Canada. I haven't been to Mexico.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: I, I've been to 44 states, but I've never been out of the country.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: I know.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: And I have a cousin that lives in London.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: Oh my gosh.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: She married a Scottish guy. Yeah. I have a cousin that lives out there.
[00:33:51] Speaker B: Okay. So I think you'll notice a lot of similarities when you do, guys, because I do. I believe you're going to.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: Cuz you guys have the underground, right?
[00:33:57] Speaker B: We have the underground.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: Like, we have the subways in New York.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: Yeah. But you see how also like a lot of the, the boroughs are like so easy to walk. They interlink. That's like pretty much the only city in, in the US that has that and that's the same as London. Like you can walk through the whole thing. And obviously we have the underground. And there's also just so many fun, like coffee and independent, like shops and stuff like that. And so I love New York so much because it reminds me of London.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good spot. It. I've, I've, I've been down here for eight years and I'm glad that I'm down here because it's like, you grow up and it's like, man, this is a lot. And I grew up in like the suburbs, so like 30 minutes outside of the city. But then you move away and you're like, wait, this is one of the greatest cities in the world.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: Truly, there's a, there's a reason, like the London's, the New Yorks, the Tokyo's, the, the, the. What's the big one? What's the bigger one in Italy? Is it Milan or Rome or Florence or. There's a reason, like there's these legendary cities that everyone around the world wants to go to.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: So yeah, for sure.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: We're lucky. We're lucky to be from London and New York.
[00:34:54] Speaker B: I know. I actually wouldn't have guessed you were from New York.
[00:34:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. My accent has changed.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: Really? Do you think so?
[00:34:59] Speaker A: I can still say like coffee and I still have it in me. Is my Girlfriend's from South Carolina originally, so she'll remind me. But I've worked with country artists. The two art. Two acts that I worked with were both from Alabama.
[00:35:13] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: So I've gotten a lot of. Yeah, Southern.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: I see that happen a lot, actually. I will say that the Southern accent is just very infectious.
Like, I, like, even pick up on, like, tiny, tiny little words because they just. They say it was such a flair. You know what I mean?
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Have you started saying y' all yet?
[00:35:28] Speaker B: Probably.
[00:35:29] Speaker A: I say it.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: I say it definitely on text.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And my friends back home, like, give me for it. They're like. They're like, you're from. What are you saying y' all for?
[00:35:38] Speaker B: And I'm like, but y' all in an English accent. Sounds awful, y'. All.
It's so stiff. It's unbelievably stiff, isn't it? What you're doing?
It's like, oh, it just doesn't. It's not smooth.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: Yeah. You'll take the time to add the all to the you as opposed to combining them.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: I've taken five minutes to say it. Like, I may as well just say two words at that point.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Awesome. Hey, I want to talk about some of the songs on this project real quick, because this has been a blast, by the way.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Like, I'm sorry. I'm yapping away. Give me some.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: You are the perfect guest. I. Sometimes I get guests in here, and it's like I'm pulling. It's like I'm trying to pull teeth, you know?
[00:36:12] Speaker B: No, I'll give you. I'll. I'll give you some things about.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: Yeah, give me some.
[00:36:15] Speaker B: Give me some.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: Talk to me. So starting at the top. Tell me about Fast Lane. That's one that people have had for a while. But what made you want to put that first on this project?
[00:36:24] Speaker B: Well, it was. It's my first love song.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: Maybe my last. We don't know.
I'm sure there'll be another one. But truthfully, honestly, I thought I was kind of known as, like, the heartbreak, like, breakup song girl. Like, my biggest songs have been, like.
Like, he's awful, or, like, really sad. And so I just didn't think anyone would want a love song from me. Honestly, I just felt like, if you're listening to my music, that's not what you want from me. And so I was thrilled when people. I put a bit of it online, and people really wanted it because I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna be able to get married one day. And Stay in business.
This is amazing news that this is not all I'm good for. So that was really exciting, honestly, to put out an actually happy song.
And I just love it. Like, if I could make every song, maybe not every song, but like, 99 of the songs for the rest of my life in that exact sonic, I would like. It's just perfect country pop for me.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: Well, yeah, and it's that evolution of where you've been to where you're going to, you know, like, that's one of those songs you'll look back on and be like, this is the first happy song. And maybe we'll get some more of those, you know, you might live in hope. Kiss my Levi's.
[00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. What. What a saying.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: Where did that come from?
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Well, I love denim, Truthfully, I do. I love denim. I love Levi's. I. Levi's is in fast lane too. And I do love a very fun title, so it felt like a great title.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: For me. And I wrote this one with Brett and Brigitte Truitt, who are, like, the most amazing brother and sister. They write like, a majority of my project with me. And I remember us, like, in a writing, like, week or or so, this, like, title just came up and we were like, that's so me. That's so fun.
And it was just like, I love the. The combo of the. The sonic of, like, it's. It starts with, like, a banjo, and then it's like. Then just super fun pop. And it's just such an instant, like, feel. Good song.
And. Yeah. I mean, it's about, like, being cheated on, but, like, I dress it up in, like, the fine, like, the fine funniest way.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. Salt and sugar.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: No, it's nasty. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: That's your. Your letting it out there.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like. I'm resentful at this point, for sure. Yeah. But I also. I love a fun tile, like I've said. And so I love saying things, like, in a slightly unique way, if I can.
And I just. I think everybody's experienced somebody being nothing like you thought that they were. And it's such a disorientating, like, process to go through when you're like, I really think that you are the person that you, like, set out to be, but I. I don't know whether you actually are anymore and just, like, how disconcerting that is. And salt and sugar actually look exactly the same, but they can be more opposite. Isn't that weird?
[00:39:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the truth right there. Is there a reason you kind of stuck that in after Kiss My Levi's and Fast Lane? Because you talk about, like, you're. That's a nasty one. Like, it seems like, like, there's a change in the project when you get to that song.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, like, I don't know. I think putting together, like, the track list is always difficult because it's kind of this, like, you know, for somebody who said they've never, like, gambled, but, you know, whenever you're picking, like, a scratch card and you just go for what you just feel.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: That's kind of how sometimes it feels with a track list. Like, you're just naturally drawn to a sequence.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: You're like, yeah, let's do that. So I don't know. I don't overthink the track list, like, all that much. Sometimes I like to it to, like, tell the story the way it's been. Like, I've experienced it. And sometimes I just put it in. In terms of, you know, like, I think, do we go from Kiss My Levi's to Salt and Sugar?
[00:40:05] Speaker A: Yep. You go from Kiss My Levi's to Salt and Sugar. And then Love Me Less is after
[00:40:09] Speaker B: Salt and Sugar, which is. Which is crazy, actually, because it really goes up and down, which is honestly my favorite part of the project. That it goes from, like, Light and Shade. That's, like, something I always want to prioritize in the projects I put out that, like, although Keep It Peachy sounds like a really cutesy and fun and flirty and summery, which it is, has got that in it. There's also, like. Like, nothing is 100% of one thing all the time. And I always want to prioritize that projects.
[00:40:34] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:35] Speaker A: Love Me Less. Tell Me a little bit more about that.
[00:40:37] Speaker B: That's one of my favorite songs. Because it's, like, not necessarily. Yes, it's about another person and it comes into, like, relationships, but it's also so insular.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: And it's, like, the first time that I've, like, really, like, expressed, like, those, like, insecurities. And I actually remember, like, when I wrote it, there were, like, certain, like, members of my team that were like. Is this, like, the way that you usually express yourself, though, in terms of, like, your brand and, like, you know, you're such a confident, like, Persona in terms of, like, the brand that you put out and, like, you know, which I do really love. I'm, like, feel very fortunate to have, like, a very female, like, heavy audience. And I love being, like, a positive figure in that way for other women. But I also think that it's just like such a diary entry type of song where I'm just like, I really just held nothing back. And I've never had a problem with doing that in the songs that I write. But I don't know whether I've ever put a song out then that actually kind of goes into that pocket.
And so I think it felt really cool just to tease that. And I, you know, the response would be so great from it. Me literally, like, putting my bra size on the Internet and it going viral.
Like, you know, I couldn't be more like, here's who I am. I think. I think that's cool.
[00:41:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And fans appreciate that. People respect that authenticity and that openness when, whether you're. You're co writing, you're writing by yourself, you're being vulnerable, you're. You're writing about your feelings. That's something that you've always done very, very well looking at your catalog. And it's like, yeah, you're going to open yourself up to people, you know, you're going to. You're going to tell them what's going on with you, how you're feeling, and folks are going to connect with that. And clearly they are based on how your career is going, which is awesome.
Keeping going. Boring me, baby.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
It's just like, I can't do the, like, nonchalant.
It's just like the nonchalant men epidemic is like.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: It's epidemic. All right, all right. I got to protect my people here. What do you mean by not, though? What's nonchalant?
[00:42:33] Speaker B: You're a Shalon.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: I'm Shalom.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: I feel. I get the vibes that you are Shalom.
[00:42:37] Speaker A: I'm Shalott.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: You've mentioned your lovely girlfriend and her daughter many times. And you know, the things that you guys do and you know, the ways that you'll go for the groundhog, like, to help her, like, you seem shalant to me.
[00:42:47] Speaker A: Goes all goes back to the groundhog.
[00:42:49] Speaker B: Everything goes back to the groundhog always. But a lot of men would not be bothered about helping the groundhog out of the ground anymore.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: I think so. I think that I've definitely had my nonchalant moments.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: I think you have to find the right person that makes you want to be.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: So it's me.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: I think it's. No. No. Or it's just. You're. You're 22, right?
[00:43:11] Speaker B: No.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: How old are you?
[00:43:12] Speaker B: 25.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: You're 25. So you're 25.
[00:43:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:16] Speaker A: You're young still. Like, it's funny. I. I didn't meet my girlfriend. I'm 31. I met her when I was 28.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: You also got to see. And you're in Nashville. Nashville is a wild place to be meeting. To be meeting people. So the Shalott will come.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: Right.
Anyway.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: But there's a nonchalant epidemic.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: Yes, there's a nonchalant epidemic. The premise of the song is, like, low effort is. Is just kind of boring. Like, what are we doing here? Why are you, like, replying so dry but then, like, wanting to see me and, like, if you want to date me, like, let's. Let's be. Have fun.
[00:43:50] Speaker A: If they wanted to, they would, right? Yes.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: So, yeah, I. Anyway, I would love to bring back Shalom.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Bring back Shalon. Bring back Shalon 2026. And then you close it out with Home Safe. Yeah.
[00:44:04] Speaker B: Home Safe. I love is a sad song. I really do. I think it's like a very, like, all encompassing kind of phrase on, like, that sums up that, like, time after a breakup of, like, yes, they're not there anymore. But then it's just like, wait, you get home after a day? Or like, you're. The plane lands or like, and it's like, who do you text? And that, like, change in, like, routine is one of, like, the hardest things to get used to, more so sometimes than losing the person. Because this song was, like. Is all about all the things that I don't miss and the ways that we're not right for each other.
[00:44:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:39] Speaker B: But I still don't have then, like, that person who I text when I get home. And that's, like, such an interesting part of a breakup. And I just felt like I hadn't written something in that world before.
[00:44:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:51] Speaker B: For a breakup. So I'm excited about that one.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: That's awesome. And I'm so glad this project's out for the world.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: How? Talk about what else we got going on for this year. So you got to do your first American tour.
[00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:03] Speaker A: You've got this awesome project out. What else are we looking at? I know we got CMA Fest this week. Have you been in town for that before?
[00:45:09] Speaker B: No, this is my first CMAs.
[00:45:11] Speaker A: All right.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: Which is crazy.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: It's wild.
[00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: It's a lot.
[00:45:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I'm. I'm excited and, like, nervous in the same sense that my. My first CMA's is also like, my first working CMA's at the same time.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: You Know what I mean? I do think there's something really cool about, like.
Like, do you know Glastonbury in the uk? Yes. So, like, the most iconic festival, like, to play. And so I've never been. I've obviously always wanted to go, but I've always wanted to play it. And so now I'm at a point in my life because it's so hard to go as a spectator. Even so I'm like, the first time I go to Glasgow, I will play it.
So anyway, I feel like it's kind of in that world of, like, my first of everything, and we have so many fun things happening, so I'm excited to just, like, drain my social battery. I'm looking forward to it.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're gonna. You're gonna make so many fans and connect with so many fans that are following you on socials and streaming your music already. Like, yeah, it is. All the country music superfans come to town for a week.
[00:46:06] Speaker B: There's really nothing like bringing something into the real world as an artist, like, especially because, like, a lot of what we do lives online in terms of the way that we promote music. And, like, you actually just work with a, you know, a small team of people a lot of the time to make the music and then you put it online and it's. That's all just kind of you and a few people, and then the views or the streams or whatever kind of don't really translate to you until you're, like, in person and somebody's telling you what the song means, or somebody's like, you can see them singing this song in the crowd. Like, it just makes everything make sense as an artist and it makes everything, like, worthwhile. And you feel like I've done my job. And I also feel like I've done my, like, purpose as a human being right now, what I'm supposed to be doing. So I'm very excited for that. And, I mean, I truly have no idea what to expect, but I know it's going to come and go and I'm not going to be able to do my first CMA's again, so I'm really excited.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: It's special. Where in Nashville do you like hanging out at?
You've been here a bunch, but you've been here as a resident for three. For a couple months now.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: Yes.
I love restaurants. Like, that's my thing. Like, Friday night. Perfect. Friday night for me is, like, getting dressed cute. Going for, like a 7pm dinner. Like an Italian spot.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: In town. And then. Yeah. Just like, a little.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: Have you been to Palado?
[00:47:23] Speaker B: Yes, I have. My. So there's a couple songs, like, probably coming out this year, but Boring Me Baby is also written by one of my girls, Gabriella Scotto, whose family owner.
[00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: So we're always in that. They actually have a peachy drink right now, apparently.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:47:40] Speaker B: Taylor. One of my best friends. Taylor, was telling me that they have this, like, peachy. I don't know, like, frozen peach martini or something. So I think I'm gonna try and go this week.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: That's a great way to celebrate.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: Right.
How amazing is that? A little vodka pasta and a peachy drink. Yeah, that's, like, my idea of a best. I'm out that.
[00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah. They're. As a New Yorker, like, I love Italian food. My mom makes incredible pasta. And, like, I grew up, I was spoiled with it. And Plato does a great job.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: Can you cook?
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Not really. Well, no, I'm not a cook. I'm not. My. My girlfriend is very much like. Like, she's. I offer to help, and she's like, no, I got, like, just. She's like.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: She's probably seen. Yeah. What she needed to say from you. She's like, that's okay.
[00:48:19] Speaker A: I can. I can go and order and pick up food very well.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: But.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: And that's amazing.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: I think I can make a good vodka pasta.
[00:48:26] Speaker A: Really?
[00:48:27] Speaker B: Maybe we'll do a second episode.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: Vodka. The pen. Vodka is what. And it's funny. You ever go on tour in my parent. My mom lives in. My mom and stepdad live in Delaware. You're ever within, like, a radius of them. What my mom does is anytime there's an artist that's, like, that I've had on the podcast or is, like, in our, like, raised rowdy family, which you are now welcome to the family.
She will show up to the show with a tray of her penne alla vodka.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: No.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: And I'll connect her with the tour manager, the artist, and she'll, like, get there early and bring backstage, like, a tray of penne vodka for the artist in their band.
Okay.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Where is Delaware on the map?
[00:49:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Delaware is the smallest state. Yeah. I shouldn't have even. I got a preference where. Delaware's. Yes. So Delaware is in between Maryland and Virginia.
[00:49:16] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:17] Speaker A: So it's along the beach. It's, like, just west of New Jersey.
[00:49:20] Speaker B: I, like, I. I felt like it was east coast energy, and so my, like. Okay, so when I was on this Ashley tour.
By the way, your mom sounds like an absolute icon.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Like, she's definitely watching. So. Shout out, shout out.
[00:49:32] Speaker B: Mom, take her up on that. Like yes, yes, please. Thank you in advance. So I was in, I was in D.C. and so Ashley is from Maryland, which by the way, has taken me six months to be able to say Maryland. I was saying Maryland like confidently. I couldn't, I just, I couldn't swing it the way that you guys swing it. Like, yeah, Maryland. Like even now I feel like I'm choking a little bit when I say Marilyn. I really want to say Maryland. Anyway, so we're in D.C.
for that show and so we're staying at Ashley's parents house and her fiance's mom had made this banana bread and coffee cake for us for the show. Now this is when I'm like down bad. Couldn't really eat. Heavy Vertigo, just like so spaced out. The only thing I could eat for like days on end was this banana bread that Matt's mom had made. And so like, bless her. I told her and she. I think she might actually be from New York, but she also lives in Maryland. And so she was like, oh, I'll just ship some more. And she made. I was like, how are you going to ship it? She made like literally a whole batch of like six banana breads. Shipped it across the country to us, to San Diego, just because I was like. Matt was like, the only thing Bella can eat is banana bread because she's so ill. She was like, I'm going to take the time off work this morning. Just so I don't know. Like, I think I love east coast people.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Is what I'm saying.
[00:50:57] Speaker A: Yeah. We're definitely the closest. I mean, there's a reason the Northeast is called New England.
You know, there's Boston has a lot of that. Maine, New Hampshire. Yeah, you see a lot of that.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: I don't think English people are as nice, though.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: English people are as nice.
[00:51:10] Speaker B: I don't think. We're like, we're not as like forthcoming.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: The Northeast, we're known as like the. Or known as the, the biggest jerks. Like really New York, New Jersey, Boston, like they call it. And it's funny because it's like a Civil War joke where in the south they call it. They call it the war of Northern aggression. So I like to say we just have Northern aggression in us. You know, it's a different thing versus like the Southern hospitality.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Which is super, like, hard to please. I think like if, if you get a compliment from an English person, like, you've earned it. Yeah, absolutely. Take it and Run with it. Because, like, you've. You deserve that compliment, which is, have you.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: Have you been to a Nashville soccer game yet?
[00:51:46] Speaker B: Yes. Soccer. Yes. Football. No, football.
[00:51:52] Speaker A: Now she's. Now she's messing Nashville, Scott. See?
[00:51:55] Speaker B: Yes. So soccer to us is football.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Yes, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But.
[00:52:00] Speaker B: But I haven't been to, like, a football game here, like an American.
[00:52:02] Speaker A: A Titans game or a Vanderbilt game
[00:52:04] Speaker B: or anything like that still yet. To do that.
[00:52:06] Speaker A: You got to go to one of the SEC games.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Our. Our college football stadiums are bigger than our professional stadiums.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: That's crazy.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: Like, the one in Alabama seats, like, over a hundred thousand people.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: That's crazy.
[00:52:16] Speaker A: It sells out every game.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And people party in tailgate the whole night before all the way through.
[00:52:22] Speaker B: American sport culture is crazy.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I got two baseball bobbleheads right here.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:27] Speaker A: Like, it's baseball, basketball. Yeah.
[00:52:29] Speaker B: There's just so many sports as well.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:31] Speaker B: Like, we have soccer, and we do it very well.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: You have rugby.
Cricket.
[00:52:37] Speaker B: Well done. Yeah. I will say I was very impressed by the amount of cities you knew in the UK of what?
[00:52:43] Speaker A: Of cities? Yeah.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Sorry, we, like. We don't see our teas that much now. I'm comfortable with you. I'm just saying.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: And you guys love darts, too. People get up for darts.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: I've seen videos of, like, they're doing. They're, like, in small English arenas, and it's like old guys throwing darts and the crowd's going crazy.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: That feels.
[00:52:59] Speaker A: Yeah, because I think it's like the pub culture is just so big.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. They're always in a pub and you have, like.
[00:53:03] Speaker A: Everybody plays darts in the pubs.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: Little scampi scratchings. They're like these little. Little, like, snacks and then a pint. You guys don't really do pints the way we do pints.
[00:53:12] Speaker A: No, they do in the Northeast.
[00:53:13] Speaker B: Do they?
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Like, I grew up drinking a lot of Guinness.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:16] Speaker A: A lot of pints of Guinness.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: Can you split a J?
[00:53:19] Speaker A: No. Well, I've. So I'm. I'm also. Despite having the Surfside in front of me, I'm coming up on. I'm on.
On Saturday. It'll be 10 years of me being. No booze.
[00:53:29] Speaker B: No way.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: 10 years sober. Yeah.
[00:53:31] Speaker B: Okay. Well, no wonder we have these. Just. Just to keep me. To remind you where you're at.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: No. Well, yeah. Well, shout out to Surfside. We love our surf.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: We love.
[00:53:38] Speaker A: But. But. Yeah. So I haven't split I. By before. I. I drink Guinness. Na. All the time. Like the. The Guinness zero or whatever. But I haven't had a draft of Guinness in like 10 years for sure also.
[00:53:50] Speaker B: That's like incredibly impressive.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: Thank you. I'm. I'm California sober. I still like to smoke every now and again.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: You do what you want to do. But 10 years, like, I appreciate it. Well done.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: I appreciate it. But yeah, no, we. Have you been to the pub here in town in the Gulch?
[00:54:03] Speaker B: I have.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: What do you think? What is the English thought on the pub? Like us?
[00:54:07] Speaker B: Well, I personally smile like any. Any of the, like the gimmicky English things. Like it. I don't hate on it. I think it's cute.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:16] Speaker B: Like, I. But it's not like, it's not a pub. It's like a gimmicky bar.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: But I don't know, maybe it's been quite a few years since I've been there.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: Would I go? I don't know. Because, like, English pop culture is. Comes with like the English humor in the uk, like, that's what's fun about it. Like when like the World cup come is happening. If we get through to the semi finals, I'll fly back home. The final will be in New York. But I don't want to go to the game. I want to go to a pub in the uk. Like, that's the best English culture like, you'll ever see. Everyone's just like, like pissed, which is drunk. But like, we also will use any. Anything and it will mean drunk. Like, you can use any object if you want. Like, pick an object in this room.
[00:55:01] Speaker A: Any headphones.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: I'm like absolutely headphoned. And that would just fly.
Like, I, like anyone would just know what I meant.
[00:55:11] Speaker A: Absolutely raccooned.
[00:55:12] Speaker B: I'm absolutely raccooned. I'm absolutely statue of libid.
[00:55:15] Speaker A: You just put absolutely in your absolutely.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: And then like, eat on the end of it. You do? Yeah. And it just means drunk.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: Like, that's good to know.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: Yeah. So you really. That's like how you'll like fit in in. In English.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: Okay, well, that's good to know for when I go over there. What's. What's. What's something that you would tell your younger self knowing what you know now? You've had success. You're still. The rocket ship is firmly going in the air right now. But what's something that you would go back tell younger Bella?
[00:55:43] Speaker B: It's supposed to be hard.
It's. It's supposed to be. Otherwise everybody would be a pop star.
So, like on the bad days when, like, you know, like, the song's not done what you want it to do, or you had a bad show or whatever it is, or you've got, like, vertigo on a tour, like, it's supposed to be difficult. And, like, that's when, like, a lot of people wouldn't keep going. And so to, like, to make it where I've always, like, dreamed of making it since I was a kid, like, you've got to lean into those, like, bad days and expect, like, that's exactly what's supposed to be happening right now.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Amen.
[00:56:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
[00:56:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:20] Speaker A: 100. Well, thank you so much for coming on and hanging out and please come out to some of our events. We host live music events all the time. We do every Wednesday at Odies and every other Tuesday we do the. We do the songwriter rounds over at the local. Yeah, come and hang.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: I would love to.
[00:56:35] Speaker A: And just chill and meet some of the folks.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: You guys are so loved.
[00:56:38] Speaker A: You're freaking. You're freaking awesome. And that's some New York for you. You're freaking awesome. Awesome.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: Does that mean, like, it's like, a real compliment because you're from New York?
[00:56:46] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll take it.
[00:56:47] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a true. It's a true compliment.
[00:56:49] Speaker B: You're also amazing.
[00:56:49] Speaker A: Thank you and congrats on this project. Keep it peachy. It is out right now from our girl, Miss Bella May. And welcome to the family says y'. All. Be sure to give Bella a follow. Go stream the hell out of that EP and be on the lookout for what she's got cooking later this year and the future. For more on us, visit raised rally.com. make sure you hit that, subscribe that, follow that. Like tell your mama and them shout out to our friends from Surfside, no bubbles, no troubles. We will see you next time. For Ms. Bella May, I'm Matt Braille. This has been outside the R
[00:57:21] Speaker B: I
[00:57:21] Speaker A: ain't never been the kind for st one place for too long I never been the best at sa I love you to a girl I love Only got a couple tricks up my sleeve they usually just make em leave so if you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony but maybe the drinking and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony yeah.
