Sons of Habit: Kentucky Roots, Van Life & The Sound of 'Nostalgia'

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Come on. [00:00:15] Speaker A: This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill for Rage Rowdy podcast. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to Outside the Round with me, Matt Burrill. Today, two very special guests from one of my favorite bands in the scene right now. This is. They're Kentucky boys, home to some of the best music that is out there that's been out there forever. Honestly. We've always loved the great state of Kentucky. We've got Mitchell Douglas. We've got Hagen Edge from the band Sons of Habit. Fellas, it's early and I'm surprised the guy from Owensboro made it before the guy living in the 615 at 5:30 to get here. [00:00:48] Speaker B: I was going 80 in a morning traffic in Nashville. So if you saw a red Hyundai on the road today, I apologize. [00:00:55] Speaker A: That's, that's so incredibly on brand though. [00:00:58] Speaker B: It is for you to be just. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Pacing on the should and just veranda, man. But everything's been good with you guys. How's life? I haven't seen you boys since I think we had you at the Duck Blind a few months back. [00:01:07] Speaker B: It has been a race since then, man. It's, it's crazy. We're very blessed. [00:01:11] Speaker C: It's unreal. It's unreal. Van life has been a very fun adjustment for us and we got real close real quick when we had the, when we had to roll the windows down every 15 minutes. I mean, we, we're brothers truly now. So it's been a fun time since. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Last time we saw you. I think we've done like 18,000 miles in a van, so that's what it's like. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Looking back on some of my favorite times and my time being down here in Nashville was being, it was cool to be the weekends that we did have like a bus or a bandwagon. But there's something special about being with the boys in the van and just being like, are we going to make it to this load in? [00:01:47] Speaker B: Oh, literally. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Oh, we got, we got 14 hours coming back from Texas or the Northeast or the upper Midwest to Nashville. Man, I can't wait to be home, you know, like, it's, it's a, it's a special thing, man. But so it's, it's been cool to watch you guys literally from square one. Like, we were looking back, we went through, I went to your personal Instagram account, look at what you were tagged, and I found some old track and field photos from back in the day, which is awesome. Well, because I, I was looking, I was looking on IG to see when we had you play that round at Live Oak years ago with. With Cody. With co. With Cody Powers, and with. With TJ Lyle from Georgia Thunderbolts. And it was July of 24, which Hagen was saying that was like, two months into you guys starting because you guys formed in around May. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Yeah, May. Yeah. Yeah. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Dude, I remember that round. That was my first ever, like, Nashville round ever. Dude. I was shaking because I was seeing his podcast forever. I'm back in the backstage, like, holy. I don't know if I can do this. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah, man, but you got up there and you killed it, man. [00:02:50] Speaker B: I appreciate it, man. [00:02:51] Speaker A: And that's one of my favorite things about what we get to do, is we get to see guys and girls from literally square one, like, before you have the band. And at that point. Point you two had started working together, had written, and he was saying that Madeline came out, like, that weekend. [00:03:04] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that weekend. That July 19th, I think. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, July 19th. It was that same. [00:03:10] Speaker C: It was sick. It was sick. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Crazy. [00:03:12] Speaker A: That's wild. So talk about how you two met, because you guys are Kentucky guys that have been. Had. Been doing music individually with other projects, with other folks in the scene up there. But how do you two get together? [00:03:22] Speaker B: I want you to kick this one. [00:03:24] Speaker C: So, yeah, funny. Funny story for me. Yeah. I've played music pretty much my entire life, but I actually started with the boys of old 60. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that. At Winners. I remember having you there. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, they were. Which, actually, I didn't get to come down for the winter show. [00:03:39] Speaker A: You weren't even there. [00:03:40] Speaker C: No, no. But I was still practicing with the band, as if I was going to go play a gig with them at some point. But I was putting my job, my sales job ahead of the music, as if selling forklifts was my dream. And finally we had a. We had a discussion one night. We all went out to Drake's in Owensboro, and they were like, all right, you ready to quit your job? And I had just gotten this sales job that I wanted. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:03] Speaker C: I was like, no, I. I can't do that. I can't do that yet. But then I think it was like, three weeks on the dot later, they were number one on iTunes. And I was like, oh, well, proud of you boys. You know, sending them text and stuff. I'm like, well, is it too late? No. But then a couple months went by, and I just. I missed practicing, you know, with the. With the band and, you know, hanging out, and started running into Mitchell downtown, which we were Mutual buddies from high school. But it was always kind of like one of those guys you run into, and it's like, hey, how you doing? And that's pretty much it. And you just keep walking. [00:04:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker C: But finally, we just. We randomly connected, and we were like, hey, dude, we got to jam out sometime, and I'll let you take it from here, because. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Yeah, so I knew Hagen from high school. We dated two girlfriends at the time that were. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Two girlfriends each. [00:04:53] Speaker B: No, no, we're not. We're not. We're not that cool. But, yeah, our girlfriends were friends in high school from different high schools. [00:05:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:03] Speaker B: And, you know, kind of like you said, it was like, hey, dude, what's up? You know, we have to talk to each other because our girlfriends like each other. But, man, I started playing music as a little kid, and I would do these solo shows in the Southeast for three, four years, and I'd run into Hagen all the time playing some random ballroom, and he'd be. Both be drunk after. He's like, dude, we should play some time. [00:05:24] Speaker A: You know? [00:05:24] Speaker B: I'm like, this is the seventh time you said it, dude. Like, come on, let's. Let's. Let's do it or not. And it was this random Saturday, and he does it again. I go, dude, we're either doing it this Wednesday or no more of this. And he actually came out. Dude. I lived in a single wide trailer in Habit, Kentucky, hence the name. And he came out and blew my mind. I mean, it was unbelievable. I thought it was gonna suck. I'll be honest with you. [00:05:48] Speaker C: Telling me that you're like, you can actually play. And I was like, I told you I could play piano. And, like, I just figured you knew, like, four chords. And that was it. [00:05:56] Speaker B: He was great. And so I told him, like, dude, we need to do this more often. And so the next Wednesday, I had my now current guitarist Dalton come out, and the three of us wrote Madeline in 30 minutes. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Wow. [00:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it was crazy. [00:06:08] Speaker C: After that, he texted me that night. He was like, I think this is a pretty good song. And I just texted people back. Yeah, I mean, I'd listen to it. And then you. You played it three weeks later, opening. [00:06:17] Speaker B: For 06.17,000 people when we debuted it. And that was the first time, you know, in my career that I tried doing the, you know, the Nashville solo thing, but playing a song and your DMs just get loaded with people. Like, what was that? Like, who's Madeline? And that's when I knew it's time to go to a New gear. The band is the. Is the new thing. So also, we're the only two that made it out. Not the two girlfriends. That's the real winner of the story. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Thanks for the memories, lad. You led to something beautiful. You're part of these sons of habit origins. [00:06:48] Speaker B: You are your baby. [00:06:49] Speaker A: That's awesome, man. And it's. I love that you say like that you were. You were selling forklifts because it's. And what were. [00:06:56] Speaker B: What were you doing, dude? [00:06:58] Speaker A: Yeah, so it's like. Because. Because there's so many. There's. You guys had jobs that were like blue collar random. I'm a guy. I'm a guy from in small town Kentucky, where I gotta have a job. You know, it's what. It's what my dad did. It's what my grandpa did. It's what my mom did, where it's like, you. You guys were just living lives, and then all of a sudden this. This blessing from up above just comes down and you start jamming together and a dream becomes a career and becomes a reality. [00:07:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:27] Speaker A: So freaking cool. [00:07:28] Speaker B: And that was the hardest part, I think, going from these good jobs to like, okay, when do we actually, like, take this? Because there's one practice where I remember, I'm like, we're pretty good. You know, we sucked for a long time. Everyone. [00:07:40] Speaker C: Every. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Every garage band out there knows that. But then there's that one practice where it's like, dang, we can go play somewhere, you know, make a little money. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. [00:07:49] Speaker C: But no, it was funny. We were joking around for the longest time too, because we. I would go over to his house till about three in the morning, just writing songs and hanging out, drinking beer. And one morning, I mean, we. Which hence the name of the next song that we released was 5 21. That's. [00:08:05] Speaker A: That's. By the way, I love Madeline. 521 is my absolute favorite. [00:08:10] Speaker C: Funny story behind it, which we. We stayed up. It was a work night. I think it was like a Wednesday night or a Thursday night. And we're just out on the patio and Mitchell goes, what time is it? We're like, it's 5:21. He goes, that's a badass song name. Like, we got to write one to that. And. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Did not go to work that night. [00:08:28] Speaker C: 5:21Am Yes, 5:21aM we stayed up at. [00:08:31] Speaker B: A party on a random Wednesday and. [00:08:33] Speaker C: I actually had to hit the road at 6 because it had to be in Bowling Green. So I just called in, I'm sorry, Crown Equipment. I Was maybe not sick that day, but I wasn't feeling my best. [00:08:44] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's wild, man. Yeah, man, because that's the thing, too. It's. It's like a blending of, obviously, Kentucky. You guys have, like, the bluegrass, like, folky influence, and that's. That's been a musical historical part of what you guys are from. But then you mix in that you definitely listen to some 90s and some modern country. But you guys love grunge rock, too. Like, the lyrics and the emotion that come through in every song is unmatched. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:09:10] Speaker B: I appreciate it. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Wild. You guys are part of, like, this wave of. Because how old are you guys? [00:09:14] Speaker C: I'm 23. [00:09:14] Speaker B: I just turned 25. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, you guys are, like, your whole generation, which I'm only five years older than you, seven years older than you. And it's like you guys are singing about real sad. Like, the generation before this was like, party country, which is great. We've all gotten drunk to some fireball, listen to some Florida Georgia line. You know, we've all done that. And. And a lot of folks. I still love going to listening to that style of music. But there's something about the real shit that came out, like, post pandemic, and you guys are a huge part of that wave. [00:09:44] Speaker C: Well, thank you. So cool to hear now. And being on this podcast is unbelievable, because, I mean, watching the videos and then actually sitting here, it's like, what the hell are we doing? [00:09:53] Speaker A: That makes me feel really good to hear, because you boys. I'm honored to have you boys here. Seriously. It's like the past year has just had to have gone so fast. When did we start getting on the road? I know you talked about doing the solo thing, opening for 60, but when did you guys go out and start doing shows as a band? [00:10:11] Speaker B: So I think our first show was a. It was a hometown show. We opened for a local guy, and we actually did a really good job. Like, I was nervous as heck. Like, I. We've never played before in front of even our family at this point. [00:10:22] Speaker C: You know, two days before, we had an awful practice. Like, we just barely did not sound, like, in sync. The rhythm was off. I mean, it was awful. And I was like, we are gonna make a fool out of ourselves. [00:10:33] Speaker B: We had a hell week. I'll still call it that. [00:10:35] Speaker C: I need to make sure I show up to my job on time tomorrow. But then the day after, we were. We got it locked in. We're like, all right, we're ready for this. And we didn't even have a full drum kit either. Our drummer was on a cajon. So we did a live show in front of like 300 people with a cajon. So it worked. We made it work. [00:10:54] Speaker A: When did the touring part like become real where you guys are hitting the road and all of that? Like. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So after that first show, we got some awesome opportun. All 60 guys set up a burl show, which was awesome. [00:11:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:05] Speaker B: That's when everything really changed. The music was obviously getting around the state of Kentucky and we had a. Almost a sold out crowd at the borough. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:13] Speaker B: And we were just opening and that's when we realized this is going somewhere. And then 60 guys got us on the west coast tour. [00:11:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:20] Speaker B: On there on their first, on their first run. [00:11:22] Speaker A: And so the first time you guys go out on the road is a band is to the damn west coast. Yeah, we drove in a van. [00:11:28] Speaker C: Yeah, in a van. [00:11:29] Speaker B: A Chevy Express with 300,000 miles on it. [00:11:32] Speaker C: Luckily, we didn't break down. I don't know how that thing didn't break down. I mean, it was a sketchy white church van. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:38] Speaker C: And you should have seen the venues when we rolled up in this van. Like they're kind of like telling us, no, don't park here. Like we're the band playing. Like, oh, okay. [00:11:46] Speaker A: Don't let these homeless guys. Don't let these homeless dudes sleeping in a band park. [00:11:51] Speaker C: Like, you should have seen the backs piled up. I mean, it looked like we just had trash in it. Which we did too. A lot of McDonald's bags. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, those loves McDonald's, man. [00:12:00] Speaker B: Loves. We love you. If you're hearing this travel stuff. [00:12:03] Speaker C: Yes. They, they kept us going through that. But we, my goodness, we, we pulled up to these venues and you know, they'd ask us, who's your tm? And we're like, that's us. Like, okay, let me show you this way. Here's a green room. And you know, getting us set up. But that was, that was a big trial run for us. And I think we, we handled that one. Flying colors. We did good there. [00:12:21] Speaker A: There's something about that first week, that first run where you're traveling, but for it to be the west Coast. [00:12:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Like that's a haul that takes you days just to get out there. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Dude, it was seven, 200 miles in three weeks. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Yep. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Not even three, maybe two and a half. No. That's how you know you love each other. Real quick though, man. Like you're in Baker, Nevada on a two lane road don't see anybody for four hours. That's when, that's when you get close. [00:12:42] Speaker C: And then our Flagstaff show, when we were heading up to Salt Lake from Flagstaff, Arizona, we. We wake up the next morning to like 3 inches of snow and everybody, you know, we just did like a 12 hour drive or whatever and we're, oh, no. Hell no. And everybody's, we call it our finna level. We say our finna level was zero because everybody just woke up that morning. I slept on like an awful couch. And we got to our Airbnb that night, too. I'm going on so many tangents, but that Airbnb we walked in, we're just like, hell no. And I mean, it was dilapidated, the floors were like crooked. And we just found. Everybody found a spot to sleep and we just went to sleep, then woke up to like 3 to 4 inches of snow. We're like, this Chevy Express isn't making it through the mountains. So we detoured. We went through the desert and then back up to Salt lake. Added about two, three hours to our drive. But at that point, 1215 didn't make a difference. So. [00:13:33] Speaker B: It didn't. Yeah. [00:13:34] Speaker A: And then y', all, y' all got there and played the show. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that, that was the moment. Because you're driving on the highway and white knuckling at their semis flipped. [00:13:42] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, we saw, we saw 30 minutes into our drive. You know, the highways, it's bad when a, a main highway starting to get that layer of snow on it. You only see the tire tracks in front of you. Well, everybody's kind of like, I don't know if we should be doing this. And I was big on like, hey, we made a commitment. We got to play this show. And everybody dogs on me for that. But we all, we all went, we all got through it. But 30 minutes in, we see this semi truck just off, you know, in a ditch and we're all like, oh, no. Like, that's going to be. [00:14:09] Speaker B: He made us do it. [00:14:10] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, these guys are going. [00:14:11] Speaker B: To hate me once. [00:14:13] Speaker A: It's like some, some folks would look at it. That's been a fast rise for you guys, having formed like a little over a year ago. But that's paying your dues right there. Oh, driving in a snowstorm in a van after a shitty night of sleeping at a shitty ass, dilapidated Airbnb. That is. That is touring. And you guys, have you got. That's paying your dues. [00:14:32] Speaker C: Yes. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Doing it when it's not fun. It's you love playing the shows and you love being out there, people. And it beats selling forklifts or being an accountant, but it's. But that is. That is paying your dues. [00:14:43] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was. It was. And I think we all had that, you know, mindset too. We knew that that three week span going out west in a Chevy Express wasn't going to be the most, like, you know, fancy trip of our lives, but now we all had a good mindset about it, like, we're ready to do this and. And we did. So. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I love the debut project too. It's one of my favorite debut, like eps that's come out with nostalgia. And I think nostalgia is a perfect way to describe your music because you guys talk a lot about memories and experiences and stuff like that. So why was that the title and what was. Why'd you guys go with that vibe for the project? [00:15:21] Speaker B: Man, that project's crazy. Originally it was gonna be called Goldenrod. It was supposed to be a love ep and I got Cheated on back in September of last year, so that immediately changed the music really, really quick. The guys knew that there was going to be some. Some switches songs, but I think it's just. It's a record that tells a story of that relationship in a way, from the highest of highs to the memories of what was good and what was bad. And I think it does a pretty good job of speaking that. [00:15:50] Speaker C: Yeah, 100%. [00:15:52] Speaker B: You got your story with nostalgia itself, though. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Yeah, nostalgia actually goes back to the, the. The high school girls that we knew and just reconnecting with my ex after a show, I was, you know, just friendly, whatever. But then she was wanting something more and I was like, you know, in my head I'm like, all right, forget high school. Like, it's good to be friends, good to see you again, but that's it. And then that's kind of how we wrote nostalgia too was kind of like let go of the past. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Like from a memory app, from a. From a. An actual, like, experience after a show. [00:16:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it was. There's nothing like that. Like someone you knew for years and you see him and it's like a stranger again, you know? Yeah, that's kind of the. [00:16:29] Speaker A: The thought of the song and it's so damn relatable. Like everybody goes through the different moments. Like everybody has a Madeline, you know, like everybody has that. What's it been like now? Connecting with, having fans. You guys are still relatively new to this as a band, but you guys have fans and have a Sizable following where folks are listening to your stuff every day. You know, I'm one of them that cranks up a Sons of Habit song or two every day. Like, where do you get messages? And you start seeing people singing back songs and all that. What's that been like to see that you're making a difference for people? [00:17:03] Speaker B: It's everything unreal. [00:17:05] Speaker C: Like when someone's nervous to meet us, I'm like, yo, like you're like the 10th person that's nervous to meet me. Like, this is new for me too. Like, this is awesome. I remember after our first burl show, someone came up to us and was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm meeting you. I'm like, you are the first person I've ever talked to that knows us for music. Like, this is awesome. Are you kidding? Yeah, but it's been. It's been unreal. And then just also, we've had a couple shows in our past headlining run that, you know, everybody's just yelling the songs back to us. I mean, we can't hold it in. Like, Mitchell will look back at me and just start cheese. And like, what the hell is happening? And it's. It's the craziest thing. [00:17:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, the fans are what make everything happen. They were taking every stream. None of this is possible without everyone out there. So thank you. If you're someone out there that's listening to us, seriously. But one of my new favorite things is when we're playing these shows and fans will get their like Snapchat up on the phone and just saying the most heinous things. I can't even say them. But I remember we were out west, I think in Salt Lake City, and these group of girls just had like the most despicable things on their phone. I lost it on stage. Yeah. Like Jeffrey R. Drummer, he's a hit. He's got the mustache, you know, and just we'll say wanting to do some activities to his mustache and I just can't do it. I told him after that song it was nostalgia too, which is like, dude, that's just like a sad song. I was like, no, more like, we're gonna have to start confiscating phones and Sons of Habit shows. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll be like your guys Coldplay cam one day. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:34] Speaker A: Getting the wild messages. [00:18:36] Speaker C: Lift up your phone and the screen will be on you and your. Your phone will be on the big screen. [00:18:41] Speaker B: I love it, man. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Lines to our mustache wearing drummer. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah. No, but seriously, the craziest part is hearing that a song can change someone's life. Yeah, we had a. A DM probably a month ago. This huge paragraph of Sun Still Rose that it, like, you know, saved them from. From taking their own life. Just. That song was that powerful when they heard it. And I don't. I don't have words for that. You know, when we write these songs, we write them for our own story. But the best part of music is interpretation, you know, and for them to interpret a song that we wrote, like, that just brings you to tears. It. It meant everything to us. So it humbles you. All the success and the. The shows and the fans are awesome, but knowing it could change someone's day is. Just still remember what's real. [00:19:21] Speaker C: Like, the. The real part about it and what matters most. [00:19:23] Speaker B: That's why we did it, you know? You do it for the songs. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:27] Speaker A: Yeah, man. What is it about growing up in Kentucky that gets you to write real shit? Because we see it, obviously, with, like, guys like Childers, guys like Sturgill, like Jacob in the 60 guys do that too. But, like, what is it about growing up in an area that just gets hit with tornadoes and is blue collar, and there's a lot of people that don't have a whole lot up there, like, what is it where you guys are writing these. These real deep songs? [00:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great question. There's a lot of elements to that one being. It's just, in my opinion, the best place for music. Our home is actually the bluegrass capital. So you are. At least I. You know, I was raised in a Southern Baptist family. You're throwing in church and you're singing at two years old, you know, and so there's no way in or out of that. But I think the biggest thing as a whole for the state is that, like, in a world so divided, Kentucky isn't. We stick together through every disaster, through everything. And music has just always been our way as a state of doing that. So, like, we just did a. A benefit concert for a flood relief in western Kentucky, and seeing the whole community come together for a free event like that and donating and showing out was just. Just the coolest thing. It was a testament to our people. [00:20:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And it was, you know, a headache putting that together, but we knew it was definitely worth it. And then having the. The support from the community that we had behind us, I mean, all the sponsors and everybody just wanting to rally up and get behind an event, it was like. It just made it totally worth it. Like, we were, we were all gung ho about it and it ended up getting about 2200 to 3000 people out there. And it was, it was awesome. It was awesome. [00:20:58] Speaker B: For a free. Like literally turning a. I'm talking a hole in the wall bar into like a festival for a night. It was crazy. [00:21:03] Speaker C: Trucks, everything. [00:21:04] Speaker B: It was so cool. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Because this year it seemed as I've been down here in the south, been down in the Nashville area for coming up on seven years, and it seems like over the past, like two or three, Kentucky's just gotten hit with disasters. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:17] Speaker A: I don't know if that's always been a thing or it's just seems like. [00:21:20] Speaker B: It'S getting worse, man. I don't know. What. [00:21:21] Speaker C: Yeah, they say. They're saying that tornado alley shifted too, which I believe it because I mean it's. It's crazy this, this year out of all of them. I mean, we had tornado sirens going off like weekly just on a regular basis. [00:21:32] Speaker B: It's crazy. [00:21:34] Speaker A: But. [00:21:34] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it's. It's been unreal. But back to like the. What I think draws real music out of Kentucky too is you got a lot of small areas in Kentucky. There's no, there's no Nashville's of Kentucky. You have your Lexington and Louisville, but I mean that doesn't really compare to Nashville. And it's just you got real people working real jobs and you're surrounded by that and when you use that as inspiration, then you can only use real elements in your music. There's no faking it at that point. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:02] Speaker A: So. And I feel like you guys do such a good job of taking people to small town Kentucky, like in the songwriting, like you feel like you're. You're in it. You know, you feel like you're in. You're in habit or you're in Owensboro, which is really freaking cool. [00:22:15] Speaker B: That's all. I'm glad. That's cool to hear that. [00:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:19] Speaker A: That's awesome. What'd you guys. How was going out with Shane Smith and the Saints? [00:22:24] Speaker C: Because they were awesome legends that. [00:22:27] Speaker B: I mean, serious. Some of the best musicians I've ever seen in my life. And it's funny because that was our first ever opening show like on that stage, you know, and so we're so green to it. I remember these guys been on the road for months and we get to the green room and they're all like kind of sleeping, napping, trying to recover, and we're loud as hell. And that's when I realized, okay, we gotta. We Gotta know our place. I remember one of Shane's guys, like, woke up from a nap and walked back to another room. [00:22:52] Speaker C: I was like, all right, guys, we gotta dial it down a little bit. [00:22:55] Speaker A: What kind of rooms were those that you were playing with them? [00:22:57] Speaker B: It was the Mercury Ballroom in Louisville. So it's like a thousand cap is a from where we had played before. My Lord. Like an actual green room. [00:23:04] Speaker C: They got food and tea, music venue. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Like a shower, you know? [00:23:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. It was unreal. Unreal. And that was what kicked off the. The tour with those six. So we weren't. We weren't used to, like, crowds like that. And, yeah, I picked up my bass that show, and I was just, like, shaking in front of the crowd, trying to play it cool like, I've been here before. [00:23:25] Speaker B: That's the show. This is awful. Yeah. My whole band makes fun of me. We get up on stage, and I forgot to plug my guitar back in, dude. We're strumming the intro, and I look down. I'm like, oh, my Lord. [00:23:39] Speaker C: Something's not coming out of my monitor. Why do we sound terrible right now? And I look over, Mitchell's, like, on plugging his guitar. [00:23:46] Speaker A: Teching yourself, baby. [00:23:48] Speaker C: And what is going on? [00:23:49] Speaker B: The way the lights were. Dad's up in the balcony, and it's just right on his face looking at me like, oh, my God. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:23:57] Speaker C: That was also two minutes before we go on. They were like, hey, go check out your instruments on stage. And, okay, so we go out, which was a little awkward for us. We go out. Crowd cheers. We're like, we're not playing yet, just checking our instruments. And Dalton picks up his guitar, and he's like, yo, my guitar is messed up. We're like, what do you mean? He's like, come here. We get off stage, his bridge somehow dislocated from his guitar. All his strings are just jumbled up. And I was like, all right, use Noah's guitar. He's like, no, I got my tools with me. I can fix it. I was like, dude, we have a minute. It's like. It's like 7:59. We're on at 8, and he's sitting there, like, screwing his bridge back in. I'm like, there's no way that things tuned. He strums it, and he's like, it's in tune. And we just walked right back out. It was unbelievable. [00:24:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:44] Speaker A: So incredibly on brand, too, dude. [00:24:46] Speaker B: For first show ever like that. I mean, you learn your stripes real quick. [00:24:50] Speaker C: That's wild. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Man, talk about the rest of the. The rest of the guys in the bank because you guys make so much noise between your. Your crew. Like, you guys seem to have a good unit together and be in sync. And last time I saw you boys, you were tight as. So talk about the other guys that join you on stage. [00:25:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So we've got Dalton Daniels. He's also from Owensboro, and he was a car mechanic before this the most. [00:25:10] Speaker A: Love the origin stories of Kentucky band. [00:25:13] Speaker B: The handiest guy in the world. I mean, it's unbelievable. He can fix anything. [00:25:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Having the Chevy Express and then a car mechanic in it, I felt a lot safer going out west. [00:25:21] Speaker A: Code. [00:25:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker B: Built in guitar tech, too, basically. It's crazy. [00:25:24] Speaker A: Yeah. That's awesome. Because I don't know about when it comes to. When it comes to cars or guitars, you know, like, either that stuff. So when we were on the road, if we ever broke down, I'd be the last one to ask. But we did it. We always managed to have somebody in the band that knew cars and knew how to fix something in a pinch. So you have Dalton and then who else you got? [00:25:42] Speaker C: Jeffrey Parish, our drummer, which he started. You know, he was just your roommate when we were having our jam sessions. And then he kind of walked in one day, was like, hey, I'll pick up drums. And we're like, all right. Yeah, yeah, dude. And he was in sales as well. So he went from a sales job to the drumming and picked it up within what year. [00:26:01] Speaker B: He had never played drums before. [00:26:03] Speaker A: No shit. [00:26:03] Speaker B: No, it was crazy. He bought this, like, electronic kit, and I'd be trying to go to bed, and I used to. Because, you know, that's plugged in his headphones. I was like, I love you, dude. I'm glad you're practicing, but please quit. But I mean, it's crazy. And then people that play the drums know how hard that is. Yeah, it's. I've never seen someone progress like he has. You know, we had even people like, there's just. You can't have a drummer. Let's play that little. I'm like, we're gonna do it. Because the theme of our band is just if there's an instrument, you got to learn to play it. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:32] Speaker B: You know, And Hagen's slogan before. [00:26:34] Speaker C: Slogan before our shows is because we have to. And it kind of goes with that. That motto. And, like, if something messes up before the show, doesn't matter. We're just going to keep playing. We're going to. We're going to Play, do our best because we have to. And because we have to is also kind of funny because I'm like, I would rather not go back to a day job because I have to. I'd rather keep doing this. [00:26:53] Speaker B: Yeah. It's deeper than the words. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:55] Speaker C: Yeah. It kind of brings me back to that, too. [00:26:58] Speaker B: And then our newest guys, Noah Patrick, he's from McLean county and store is really funny because we went through this, you know, five month period of needing a bass player. You kind of put the bass player off. It's like, ah, crap. No one wants to play bass anymore, by the way. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Really? [00:27:12] Speaker B: No one does. Really? [00:27:13] Speaker A: I wonder why that is. I mean, you got. You got a picture of Hardy right there behind you. He. I think he was. Him and Sam Hunt were kind of at the forefront of axing out the bass player position. [00:27:22] Speaker B: But, you know, I had gotten a recommendation for this guy on Facebook, Noah Patrick. And I kept messaging him. I'm like, hey, do you want to play bass for us? And he'd be like, no. And he's like, I play electric guitar. I'm like, well, can you play bass for us? He just kept going, no. And I give him so much credit. And this went on for months. [00:27:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker B: And we're about. We're literally two weeks out from Shane Smith and we don't have a bass player still. And I'm like, I messaged him and I go, noah, will you play bass for us? He goes, no. I go, will you play electric guitar for us? And we figure something out. He goes, yes. It came to one practice, and I remember he just was so freaking good. And we all, the original four, look at each other. We're like, yes. [00:27:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:59] Speaker B: So I was like, we made him play bass. [00:28:01] Speaker C: We don't even have a piano on that song. I'll just play bass on that one. We don't need my guitars. [00:28:05] Speaker B: It was crazy. [00:28:06] Speaker C: It's like his. Oh, yeah. It was wild. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah, we love. No, he's like our little brother, man. He's. [00:28:11] Speaker A: How old is he? [00:28:12] Speaker B: 20, man. He's still 20. [00:28:14] Speaker A: Wow. [00:28:14] Speaker B: I swear he's been 20 for five years. It's crazy when you have a year with this much stuff happening and you're still like, you can't have a beer yet. [00:28:22] Speaker C: You can't get in. We're playing. [00:28:24] Speaker B: We were. We were backstage with Dustin lynch after the show last week, weekend, and he was just like, you're 20. He's like, what? [00:28:32] Speaker C: That was so funny. We. We did have an. I think there was one time he. He had to get X's on his hands to play a gig we had. [00:28:40] Speaker B: But it was, it was, it was for outsiders. [00:28:46] Speaker C: To get in to play. And we're like, dude, just turn 21 already. [00:28:49] Speaker A: Come on, just get a good fake. Get one of those Illinois or Missouri fakes. [00:28:55] Speaker C: I thought you guys were from Kentucky. Not this guy. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Not this guy. He's our import. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Even the McLovin idea would be better. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Oh, dude, him with. Do you guys do a McLovin bit with him? That'd be hilarious. When does he turn 21, do we know? [00:29:07] Speaker B: October, allegedly. Probably October of 30. [00:29:10] Speaker A: When you got. When you guys are on the road. [00:29:12] Speaker C: Dude. [00:29:12] Speaker B: Dude, it's the last day of the run out there. It's already so cool. [00:29:16] Speaker C: We're going to play our last show and then it's going to be his 21st. So we can kind of. [00:29:19] Speaker B: He's going to roll the dice, as we like to say. He's going to. He's going to hit the Vegas casinos. [00:29:24] Speaker A: Oh, it's in Vegas. [00:29:25] Speaker C: We're going to be driving back through Vegas right when he turns 21. [00:29:28] Speaker B: So what a better city for him to get acclimated. [00:29:31] Speaker A: Look at. He finally said yes and now he's going to get to turn 21 in Vegas. On poor in a band. [00:29:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:38] Speaker B: Can dream it up. [00:29:39] Speaker C: No, no. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Being persistent with the DMS works, man. It does. It works in all aspects. [00:29:45] Speaker C: And someone else picking up bass helps too. [00:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:49] Speaker C: Which I love bass now. Like I'm, you know, practice all the time and that's like. That's what I did. [00:29:54] Speaker A: How many instruments do you do? [00:29:55] Speaker C: One Bass, piano and harmonicas. So I like to claim. I don't know if I've seen it yet or if there is one out there, but I want to be one of the only basis to have a harmonica set on. Yeah, I'll do them back up. [00:30:08] Speaker A: Vocals happen. [00:30:09] Speaker C: It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. I like, I like having that aspect on stage. [00:30:13] Speaker A: That's really cool because usually like utility, it's like. Like our buddy Kurt and Luke's band. He's like Dobro electric guitar, acoustic guitar, pedal sound, steel fiddle. Sometimes like utility players. Usually that. Not the bass, piano, harmonica. Like you're a whole different level. [00:30:29] Speaker C: It's fun. It's fun. And we do. We do have Noah. When I do switch to keys, he'll. He'll pick up the bass. [00:30:34] Speaker A: He will. So we got. [00:30:35] Speaker B: We got him on. We got him. [00:30:36] Speaker C: We got him on. [00:30:37] Speaker B: I knew as soon as he accepted I had him. [00:30:39] Speaker A: I had him in you had him on the line. There you go. That's freaking awesome. So what are we looking at as far as new music coming out? Because I've been hungry for it. I've been jamming. We've all been jamming. Nostalgia, but we're ready for that next thing. So what have we had cooking in the kitchen? [00:30:52] Speaker C: Well, this Friday, August 8th, we have Fool's Gold releasing, which we've been fired up about that one. I think we've been in and out of the studio for that one. We have. I don't know how many different versions of it since probably, like, March or February. [00:31:07] Speaker B: This is the one, man. We're so excited for it. Brand new single. [00:31:10] Speaker C: Yeah. And then we have, I don't know, 20 other songs ready to go. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Wow. [00:31:14] Speaker B: So we've got another one called Paradigm that we're. We're thinking is going to be next. [00:31:18] Speaker A: You guys play. Did you guys play Paradigm? I feel like I've heard that one before. [00:31:22] Speaker C: We've played Lately Love, which is another one that's unreleased. And Undone, we've done. Undone was one of our first ones we wrote that we still haven't released yet. That's a bluegrassy one, very much. Always really fun to switch up the vibe and. And. And play that one. [00:31:39] Speaker B: Every song's so different. That's why it's funny. You know, it's like you'll go from a bluegrass record to a 70s rock. [00:31:45] Speaker A: Song, and it's like it's crossover, but not in the pop or the. Or the rock sense. Like, everybody talks about, oh, Beyonce, oh, this, oh, that, where it's like there's all this crossover going on in the world of country music, but it's like you guys are doing that just with what the different influences are for you. Like, you're crossing over bluegrass to classic rock to folk to country. Yeah, just don't cross over. But it's. It's your version of a crossover. [00:32:08] Speaker C: It is. [00:32:08] Speaker A: It is. [00:32:09] Speaker C: And I think that goes back to our first jam session. Mitchell was like, all right, just play something on the keyboard. And then I. I'm pretty sure my first song I played was Easy, Like a Sunday Morning by Lionel Richie. Then he's like, all right, play a different one. I played Skyfall, Adele, and he's like, all right, another one. And I played no Role Models J. Cole. And he's like, dude, what do you listen to? I'm like, everything. [00:32:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:28] Speaker C: Like, I'll just, you know, whatever it is, I'll. I'll listen to it. And. Yeah, and you're you're the same way you'll listen to. So I think that that kind of aspect we want to incorporate in our music because we want it to just. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Bounce around and, you know, the motto is good music is just good music. There's no be genreless is, you know, my. My goal. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. You don't want to be a genre. You just want to be Sons of hat. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:32:51] Speaker A: You don't need to be a genre. Are you guys still recording with. With Justin? [00:32:54] Speaker B: We are. [00:32:54] Speaker C: We are. He's the guy. [00:32:56] Speaker A: How. Talk about your way of meeting him, because to me, it's like he's somebody that's going to be talked about for years to come as a guy that has helped with a. A sound that is coming out of Kentucky that'll stand the test of time, and you guys are a big part of that. Talk about how you guys met Justin. He's a great dude. He's that guy. [00:33:15] Speaker C: Unbelievable. [00:33:15] Speaker B: Justin's the most. [00:33:16] Speaker C: Call him the wizard. He is the wizard. When we come to him with a song idea, we're like, hey, we want it to sound like this. Could you add, you know, like, could we do something cool here? He's like, I think you can do this. And we'll listen to it back. We're like, oh, that's it, dude. Like, what the hell? Yeah, but, yeah, you want to talk about. Yeah, the. [00:33:32] Speaker B: It's going back to the Madeline Planet live. Because all 60 guys had heard it, and Ty at their time was working, and he was like, dude, you gotta record that song. Like, have to cut it. And so I think two weeks later, he got me in touch with Justin, and Justin's like, all right, let me listen to it. Heard it and the rest is history. Drove the Bowling Green that next week and recorded it. One take. It was like, I think four hours. Yeah, four hours. Four hours. And it was done. That was it. [00:33:59] Speaker A: And nothing against all the great producers that are here in Nashville, but there's something about, like, having your guy. Like, I know Gavin still records with his guy that's down in Georgia, and. And you guys have your guy that's back home in Kentucky, you know, and it's like, nobody's gonna be able to capture that sound. They might be a fancier studio or some big thing, but nobody's gonna capture your sound like the guy that comes from where you come from. [00:34:21] Speaker B: 100. It's insane because I've worked, you know, when I was solo, I worked with all types of people. And like you said, there's. There's fancier rooms and with, you know, some more vocab words from some guys. But, you know, Justin will work with you all day and yeah, he's just the most deserving guy. Just if you're hearing this, we love you, man. And none of this is really possible without him. He's the. He's the genius behind the recordings. [00:34:40] Speaker C: Unreal. Unreal keeps it raw too. So it's not, you know, if we want more production in it, he'll do it. And then if. If we want to, like, you know, dial back, he'll. You'll throw in some suggestions. He's so great to work with because we can be like, you know, that that's not really what we're going for. He won't care. He's like, all right, well, what about this? And change it up. I'm like, that's it right there. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll let you try anything too. I mean, some of our records, like, whoa. It's came a long way from what it used to be. [00:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's awesome. I think that raw sound is a huge part of what makes you guys different. Like, it's so distinct. Like, I can tell, like so many people can tell the moment that it's a Sons of Habit song. Like it stands out from anything else. And I think Justin's you guys, obviously, and the rest of the band a huge part. Part of that. But having the right guy to capture that and push you guys in the direction and kind of help you steer the ship. What do you guys like doing when you're not doing music? Now that we're not selling forklifts or accounting. What kind of accounting were you doing? [00:35:34] Speaker B: Private equity accounting. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Oh, like big time. [00:35:36] Speaker B: It was, it was. Man, it's a. It's weird trying to get out of that zone sometimes because I'm still a business oriented big time. So if that helps. It does, it does. It's been great. [00:35:45] Speaker A: You are the same CEO. Like, you guys have a great team. Some of the guys sitting over there shout out to Matt and Evan and the rest of the crew. Kyle, who's not here this morning, he was out at the bar late with us last night, but. Oh, we were having a good time out there. Shout out to Kyle. But you guys are like the CEO of your. Of your business, you know, and having that business sense is a huge part of this. You know, it's not always the most fun part of it, but you got to know what you're doing. So having that background of coming from the world that you guys come from is huge. [00:36:15] Speaker C: Yeah. It's game changing everything. It's everything. I think it drives our work ethic because, you know, number one thing for me is I don't want to go back to the day job. So it's like, that keeps us moving forward and grinding, and we enjoy it, too. We just have fun. Outside of music, though, I'll play a lot of Fortnite. I'm a. I'm a Fortnite buff. [00:36:33] Speaker A: I'm gonna tell myself with Nikki T. And Trey Bonner, I played Fortnite for like, a total of maybe. Maybe. Like, maybe a couple days, and I got off it. I'm an mlb. The show. [00:36:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:47] Speaker A: NCAA football. [00:36:48] Speaker B: We need to run it. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Dude. I'm a sports game guy. [00:36:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:51] Speaker A: A little nerdy bastard. Building my franchise. Yankees in 2030. Aaron Judge got, like, five MVPs. But, like, Fortnite, my Nikki T. Always says that the best part about it isn't even if you get a win, it's just hanging out with your buddies online. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Yeah. It's like an adrenaline rush to each round. It's like the same game over and over. I don't know how I'm not bored of it yet, but, yeah, no, it's. It's hilarious. I didn't think I'd be talking about Fortnite on this podcast. [00:37:15] Speaker A: You never know what you're gonna be doing. We're going outside the realm. [00:37:18] Speaker B: We are, absolutely. [00:37:21] Speaker C: But then, of course, I like to a deer hunt. Every year we have a deer camp, so that's, like, one thing I'm super just religious about, is I go opening weekend to deer camp and literally just sit in a stand for hours. [00:37:34] Speaker A: Are you gonna do the. The touring route where you can find folks that have tags or that can take you out on the road? Because a lot of guys do that. [00:37:44] Speaker C: That's. That's a goal of mine. I don't know. I don't know if we're quite there yet, because a lot of our shows are back to back, and I need, you know, a couple days to do that. But that would be a dream come true if I get to go hunt some elk or, you know, big game hunting up in Montana or even just. [00:37:59] Speaker A: Kill a deer in a different state. [00:38:01] Speaker C: Yeah, even that, too. I mean, that'd be just unbelievable. [00:38:03] Speaker A: That's what g. With. With musk. Oh, yeah, with turkeys. He'll put on there. Hey, you got. Anybody got turkey. I think he's killed a turkey in, like, 30 different states. Ridiculous. He's gone all around, but that's like his thing is some guys golf when they're on the road. Some guys hit the gym, do this, do that. Some guys just go out and kill and then go play a show. [00:38:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. And also we're. You brought up golf too. That's another biggie for us. We've been doing a lot of that. Not any better than I was probably last year, but I broke my drive PR this year, so I'm happy. [00:38:36] Speaker B: 343 smokes. [00:38:38] Speaker A: You hit it. 343. [00:38:39] Speaker C: 343. I can't say I hit it that like consistently. That's just my best. [00:38:43] Speaker A: That's ridiculous. [00:38:45] Speaker B: 3. [00:38:45] Speaker C: I got a GPS on my phone out for that one. Cuz I was like, Mitchell, that smoked and that back wind to me and we were on top of a hill. But he's like, nah dude, you crushed that. And then I was like, all right, I'm recording this one. We drove up. I was like, that's 343, baby. I was like, come on. But yeah, par five. I think we got it on. And two. [00:39:02] Speaker B: He got it on. I was two Walmarts behind his ball and then three Walmarts in the trees after that. Yeah, it's a good measurement in golf at Walmart. I'm a big fan of it. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I actually played, I've played golf quite a bit with your roommate. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Pretty good man. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he's. He's a good, he's a good mid townie. I like Rachel. He's become like a younger brother to me because we're both from New York. So I give him a lot of. Because he's a Mets jets fan. You know, I'm a Yankees Giants fan. But. But yeah, there's, there's a lot of courses around here too. So you're in town. Come and, come and hang. We'll get out, we'll get out there and play. Have you played Pebble Brook yet? [00:39:35] Speaker C: I haven't. [00:39:35] Speaker B: I live right off McCabe, so. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Right there, yeah. Pebble Brook is like, it could be such a nice course, but they just don't put anything into it. There's never anybody there. So you can just kind of around, do whatever you want. But you're like hitting off cliffs and that's like 35 around. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Really. Yeah, that's. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah. See you. We'll bring a case of Surfside and you boys, we'll just do it. [00:39:53] Speaker B: And by the way, shout out Surfside. This stuff's phenomenal. It's a good way to start a Stressful morning. I'm now loose. [00:40:00] Speaker A: What do you like doing when you're not doing the music stuff? [00:40:02] Speaker B: I want to say I am a part time Bengals employee. I am just a die hard Bengals fan, dude. [00:40:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:40:08] Speaker B: Like that is my life, man. [00:40:09] Speaker A: How we going to be this year, dude? [00:40:11] Speaker B: I don't know, man. We can sign Trey Hendrickson would be a lot better. I see Evan booing me over there. Oh man. No, I love. I'm a big like nature like hiking kind of guy, man. So I love skiing if I can the winter big basketball guy, dude. I. I like to think I could. I told my buddies I could go play NBA ball, but they don't like to. I mean six two. I could, man. But you tell you 25 hit me the other week and I can't do it anymore. My knees just stiff. [00:40:39] Speaker A: 25 hit you. [00:40:40] Speaker B: I'm serious, man. [00:40:41] Speaker A: Until you're 30, don't. [00:40:42] Speaker B: Woke up my. My pillow had some hairs on it and the knees weren't jumping as high. We went. We hiked about what, 11 miles when I was out in Colorado last week. And I don't recover the same way anymore, dude. We had to play that show and I was stiff as could be on stage. [00:40:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:59] Speaker A: Talk about this tour you guys got coming up here in the fall. You guys are going to be hitting the road heavy and going all over the dam. [00:41:04] Speaker C: Yeah, dude. [00:41:05] Speaker B: So we had our first leg of the tour, the southeast run. It was halfway to Cordon and that just went crazy. We couldn't believe that people really, you know, came out in those numbers to see our shows. And so we thought we'd kind of add an extension of that being the long way from Cordon tour. And it's out west, some of the same places we played with hole 60 and we're. I'm just so excited. One that part of the country is just so beautiful and then just getting to see some of those familiar faces and in a market that we played before so. [00:41:33] Speaker A: And go back and headline it. [00:41:34] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:41:35] Speaker C: It's unreal. Unreal that we actually had comments saying like please come back to Flagstaff. And I'm like, no way. Like people in Flagstaff know us. Like that's so cool. And we're. We can't cannot wait to go back out there. And then we also catch a festival, the Red West Festival out there. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Oh, that's a big one. [00:41:52] Speaker C: Yeah. With one of my all time favorite artists, Post Malone. So like playing the same day as him. I'm like, I don't have words For. It just. It doesn't feel real. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. You guys are going all over the damn place, popping around like. You guys have a show at the Corbin arena in November? [00:42:07] Speaker B: We do. [00:42:08] Speaker A: On. Is that. [00:42:08] Speaker B: It's with Dustin and Scotty. [00:42:10] Speaker A: Oh, sick. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's gonna be insane. [00:42:13] Speaker C: Arena shows. I mean, that's just. [00:42:14] Speaker A: It's unreal for it to be in Corbin, like, in Kentucky. That's. To have those big moments back home is huge. [00:42:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Big time. Yeah. We're playing with Ernest Tuesday in our hometown. [00:42:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:26] Speaker B: So that's gonna be very cool. It's gonna be. [00:42:27] Speaker A: I saw that. Yeah. [00:42:28] Speaker B: The. [00:42:28] Speaker A: The Owensboro Sports Center. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:42:31] Speaker A: So what is that? Like, what do you guys have, like, hockey and basketball, A lot of high. [00:42:34] Speaker C: School basketball in that thing? [00:42:35] Speaker B: The OG Arena. [00:42:36] Speaker C: Bring some concerts to it every once in a while. And. Yeah, that's actually where my. My high school plays. Like, that's our home court because we don't have our own gym, so we have to, like, borrow the city's gym. But, yeah, no, that. That place is nostalgic for me. [00:42:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:42:52] Speaker C: Coming back to play a show there is just unreal, because I used to be in the student section there, so. [00:42:56] Speaker B: I mean, in Western Kentucky, where there was not a whole lot of arenas, it's kind of a, you know, a nostalgic place for everybody. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that's badass. Do you guys remember your first concert? [00:43:06] Speaker B: I do. It was Nitty Gritty Dirt Band at Romp. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Wow. [00:43:10] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like, man, this is freaking awesome at Romps, this big bluegrass festival that our town puts on every year, and they were the headliner. [00:43:18] Speaker C: Say I was probably, like, seven or eight going to romp. [00:43:21] Speaker B: Sunday best was unreal, too. I'm a huge Jamerson fan, and so it's pretty cool. He followed us on socials, and now we just get to, like, talk to each other. And that's. That's been one of the coolest, like, we made it mama moments. Because I love Nicholas Jameson's music. He's unbelievable. [00:43:35] Speaker A: That's sick. That's awesome. And do you remember who your first concert was? [00:43:39] Speaker C: Mine was Romp, but I don't remember who it was. I was probably, like, eight or nine, just playing football on the side or something. [00:43:47] Speaker B: Still drivers. That's when they were. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Could have been. Could have been steel drivers, too, which I actually did. [00:43:52] Speaker A: Kentucky as well. [00:43:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Chris played, and he played it Romp, which is crazy. That's our big claim to fame. [00:43:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:58] Speaker B: Chris Stapleton was on this piece of Dirt. [00:44:02] Speaker C: But no mine Was definitely romp too. I don't remember which year it was, but I was. I was young. I was young when I started going to romp. [00:44:09] Speaker B: But what's one you remember? [00:44:10] Speaker C: I did go to the Steel Drivers out in. It was western Kentucky. I forgot the town. But they played in a small amphitheater and it was after Post Chris and. But they were. They were unbelievable. The guy they got, you know, he's amazing. He's unreal. His vocals are insane. It. It's so cool. [00:44:27] Speaker B: They're unreal. [00:44:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker A: What are some of like the big goals? I know you guys have crossed some. Some things off the list already, which is insane that a little over a year you've gotten to do that. But what are like some of the big goals for. For you guys as individuals and as a band? [00:44:43] Speaker B: Yeah. And in 26 Grand Ole Opry is a huge one for me or the Ryman. Just the. The history. We went as kids, you know, to go see Vince Gill. He'd play like the Christmas shows, you know. And so I always just dreamed of playing there. That for me would just be. I don't even know if I could play it, man. I'll be honest with you. It'd be so emotional. And then everyone knows Red Rocks for me. Yeah, I may. I think I'm retiring if I play Red Rocks. And I don't care. I don't. I don't care if it's in the parking lot. [00:45:08] Speaker C: Gotta keep it going. Yeah. [00:45:09] Speaker A: That'll be a part of the VH1 Rocky battery. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Hey, guys. See ya. And we're out of here. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Mitchell left the band after their show at Red Rocks. [00:45:18] Speaker C: The new lead singers. It's not quite the same. Hagen doesn't quite episode. [00:45:22] Speaker A: Just not the same. Sounds like acdc. Just not the same. [00:45:26] Speaker C: It's great. Let's say one of my biggest goals. I tell all the boys, which I don't. I don't wish the van days away. But I say a big goal for us. We're getting a bus at some point. And I think it's not so much about getting the bus, but about the size you are once you, you know, need a bus and you have that. I. I want us to get to that level to where we can still keep our heads, you know, being a bus. Still keep the same grit we got from the beginning and just keep going. Trying to think of any more because I've listed a ton. We had that one team dinner or band dinner. And we were all just naming stuff. We want to do another one That I said too is I want to play in Australia. For some reason, Australia is like one of our top streaming cities. Like there's three cities in Australia that, that have, you know, us at the top or whatever. And that's where I want to play. So I think it'd be sick to go there. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Hell yeah. I see a world tour coming. Yeah, that'd be, that'd be a long, long, long way from Cordon. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it'll be, it'll be the abbreviated long, long, long. [00:46:31] Speaker C: Skipping a jump away from Gordon. [00:46:33] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, for sure. What's something that you would tell you, the guy working sales, where you're at before you go and start jamming out with Mitchell. What's something you would tell that kid? That's like a year and a half, two years ago when you're doing, you're doing your solo thing, you're. You had been with, been with one group and then chosen to go the corporate route. What would you tell that guy now, looking back to where your life is at now? [00:46:59] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's awesome. I think a big thing is like chase your dreams, but you can perfect your craft while doing that. Like, we chased it while also realizing this actually is obtainable. You can everyday practice and get better. But I mean, the biggest thing, man, it's. Life's just way too short, man. Like, I had gone a year of my life and I realized I didn't travel at Owensboro one time just because work was so busy and that's humbling. So if there's anyone out there that feels like they're stuck, do that thing. Because you only, you really only do get one of these and you got to go live whatever capacity that is for you. It could be, you know, knitting or something. I don't know, go knit, you know. [00:47:34] Speaker C: Knit in the world competition or something. [00:47:36] Speaker B: But also perfect your craft in knitting and be the best knitter that you could be, you know. So it's of kind of the thing. [00:47:41] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say to my, myself last year because I think from the get go, for some reason after our second jam sesh, we just had this every Wednesday thing of jamming out and writing new music going when there was literally nobody listening to us. Like, not even my parents were listening to like the voice memos I was trying to show them. And I would say, you know, trust your, trust your gut. Keep going. Believe in yourself. Because we were laughing for a little bit. We, we were laughing that we had two day jobs, even played a live show. We were like, dude, why why are we doing this to ourselves? We have two day jobs right now, staying up till three in the morning, writing music. And we, you know, just decided we love it. Like, this is fun. And we. We both saw the vision for it, both believed in the music and just didn't look back and tried our best at it and still trying our best. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Yep. [00:48:31] Speaker A: Amen, dude. Well, it's still just getting started. And that's. To me, the craziest part is this fly has been just jumping all over us. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Yeah, you've been handled like a pro, though, dude. [00:48:42] Speaker A: But you guys, seriously, it's. It's been awesome to watch you over the past year, and I'm so excited for what the future looks. I'm so excited for new music to be coming out. And what I got to do is me and Nikki T. Got to figure out a time to travel out and watch you guys out of town, because Nashville shows are cool, but there's something special about being out in the wild with the people and actually going to a show. I might have to drive over the border up into Kentucky, fly out west and go see you guys at one of those. One of those rooms maybe. We'll. We'll rent a. We'll rent a van, get out there and do it. Do it. The true sons of heaven. Seriously, guys, remind me the name of the. Of the new song that's dropping Fool's gold, and tell me a little bit about that one before we wrap up here. [00:49:23] Speaker B: It was right after the tour and kind of on the same, you know, theme as the ep. Just I was still kind of going through the breakup and, you know, reminiscing on it, and at that point it turned more into, like, anger, you know, where it's like the time and the money and everything you'd spent was just Fool's Gold. It was, you know, I would have rather sold that all for anything else. So it's kind of a more upbeat way of saying that it's got. I think people who listen to it. The production tells a big story. Kind of goes like, you know, big, big moments, and it kind of shows that anger I was going through at one point. [00:49:56] Speaker C: But, yeah, I think we started writing that on the road too, because there was a sound check that took a little longer than expected. And Mitchell came over to me and he was like, dude, what do you think about this chord progression? I was like, that's sick. And while they were working on, you know, fixing the. The sound, we just started kind of spitballing ideas and freestyle and lyrics and then we finally sat down after. After the. The run and. And finished that song. And it was just fun, right? It was a fun. Right. [00:50:25] Speaker B: So we excited for it. [00:50:27] Speaker A: Excited, man. It'll be out by the time this podcast drops. [00:50:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:30] Speaker A: Y' all be sure to go and listen to Fool's Gold. And thank you guys so much for coming on here and hanging out. Seriously. I've been wanting to get you guys on for a long time. I'm glad we were able to get you down from Owensboro. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Glad we were able to get you from Nashville. [00:50:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Freaking Silver. Yeah, man. I'm gonna have to start telling Mitchell to be your. The other Mitchell. Mitch and Mitch. And he's knocking on the door, knocking on the door. He'll do his little fire, fire, fire, fireman. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:50:56] Speaker A: Or police officer dispatcher stuff that he does. But seriously, thank you guys so much for watching, coming on, and thank you for doing what you do as far as, like, being a part of this great chapter of music. It's not. It's not country, it's not folk, it's not rock. It's Sons of Habit, you know, it's its own. It's its own thing. And you guys are so uniquely yourselves and so authentic, and you've got a great team behind you, and sky's the limit. [00:51:19] Speaker C: Thank you, brother. Right. [00:51:20] Speaker A: I can't wait to see where everything goes. And I can't wait to watch you announce your retirement at Red Rocks. That is. That is going to happen one day. [00:51:27] Speaker C: You'll just see me hang my head. [00:51:28] Speaker B: If he announced you guys knew first. [00:51:30] Speaker A: You'Ll probably play him out on the piano like some old school thing, man. It'll be last quarter. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Madeline, dude, thank you for having us. Dude, you are a staple in Nashville. And, you know, I owe a lot to you because you were the first guy that I really met and had that round with. So I give you a ton of. Of credit, too, man. Seriously. Thank you. [00:51:48] Speaker A: I appreciate that, man. You guys, anything you guys ever need, the. The guys over there know it, and you guys know it. You guys ever need anything or want to. Want to hang out, grab a sandwich or something, like, seriously, whatever. We're. We're always down. You guys are a part of our family, and we're proud and happy to be a part of yours. Proud to be a small little blip in the Sons of Habit story, man. It's cool. It's cool to cool to watch it all go. And thank you. Thank you to these boys for coming on. If you're not on the Sons of Habit train. Get on there, get out from underneath that damn rock and go check out their music. If you're out west, get out to a show, tell them that you watch this podcast because that'll be really freaking cool too. If we got anybody out there in Flagstaff, Arizona, Salt Lake City, Utah or Sun Valley, Idaho or all these damn cities, you can find all the tour dates out there on the website. What I love doing is going to the Spotify because one you can listen to music and then you can click this little events tab and you can see all the dates. Takes you right to the ticket link. So get out there and see the boys. Fool's gold is out now. Also shout out to our friends from Surfside. Vodka, lemonade, vodka, iced tea. Boys are drinking the green tea. Give you that little caffeine boost. [00:52:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:49] Speaker A: To start out the day, we're going to send you home with an eight pack each. And then we got a, we got a bunch of hat. We got a bunch of hats over there too. So grab, grab some extras for the rest of the guys in the band. Bring one back for Justin too. [00:53:01] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Appreciate the hell out of you guys. So for more on us visit raised rally.com be sure to check out the boys from Sons of Habit. My boys Mitchell and Hagen. I'm Matt Brill. This has been outside the round I. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Never been the con for st one. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Place for too long I ain't never. [00:53:21] Speaker B: Been the best at sin I love. [00:53:24] Speaker A: You to a girl I love only got a couple tricks up my sleeve they usually just make them leave so. [00:53:32] Speaker B: If you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony but maybe the drink. [00:53:41] Speaker A: And the lack of money for show. [00:53:43] Speaker B: I'm just a trick on it. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Yeah.