Matt McKinney Round 2: 'Mexican Restaurants, The Good Ole Days and Finding Your Path In Nashville!'

[00:00:15] Speaker A: This is outside the round with Matt Barrill for Razor Alley podcast, my man. It's been since the pandemic. A lot of stuff has happened in both of our lives. Four years ago, basically, I would assume, like four years ago. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:31] Speaker A: We have skinny Matt McKinney, the legend. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Oh, dude, thanks for having me. [00:00:35] Speaker A: The legend. The OG in the round guy back in the day, bro. [00:00:40] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:00:41] Speaker A: How the hell are you doing on this beautiful, beautiful day? [00:00:44] Speaker B: Dude? I've been good. It's been just one thing after the other. It's good to have a day off. Get in here and get to do this. It's not often I have a Monday off, so. Yeah, this is perfect. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Yeah, you are fucking just writing and running and gunning, huh? [00:00:59] Speaker B: Been trying, man. Yeah, it's been pretty crazy. I'm kind of ready for October. Slows down a little bit. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Is that like when the songwriter world kind of slows down? It's like you start getting into, like, pretty holiday season. [00:01:12] Speaker B: It's been. I mean, I was just having a conversation with my publisher this past week. It's like, I feel like July is just dead. Everyone's on the road, and then everyone's going to the beach and you get more cancels. Like, this summer, I mean, my July was just, like, dead, like, you know, so it's like. I just feel like October is a good time. I've got some things kind of blocked off on the schedule to. Yeah, be more intentional about taking time, so. [00:01:36] Speaker A: So what you do with all the off time, you're not used to just you. You don't sit still. Like, you have to be doing something. [00:01:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:42] Speaker A: You've always been like that. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. Truthfully, I went kind of crazy. I don't know, it's like, you know, it would be different if I had this time. Like, I knew all these people were gonna cancel or, like, these people are gonna be out of town, so I guess. I mean, I really just. I played a lot of shows and, like, songwriter shows, and then I did a lot of fortnight, but I did play some fortnite. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Played some fortnite, bro. [00:02:05] Speaker B: You on the sticks? [00:02:06] Speaker A: You football yet? [00:02:08] Speaker B: Dude? I haven't. I've not gotten on it yet. [00:02:10] Speaker A: So that surprises me that of all people, you would. I feel like you would have been, like, the first guy to have it, dude. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Truthfully, I've just never been good at, like, you can ask Maxwell or, oh. [00:02:20] Speaker A: You'Re horrible at Madden. [00:02:21] Speaker B: I'm just terrible at football games. So, I mean, I love the game, but I like playing games. If I do play video games, like, games I'm good at. So, like, I'm a big golf guy, so I play, like, a lot of PGA. Skinny McKinney's currently number one in the FedEx cup. [00:02:37] Speaker A: No shit. [00:02:38] Speaker B: All right. [00:02:39] Speaker A: How far into the season are we on that? [00:02:41] Speaker B: I've got two more tournaments left. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:43] Speaker B: I don't really get time to, like, sit down. And I'm not, like, a big gamer, but, like, every now and then when I get home at night and it's like, oh, just good. Mindless. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:53] Speaker B: You know, it's pretty. Pretty good for the soul. [00:02:55] Speaker A: It's a good way to just clear. Clear your mind. It's a good way to, like, hang out with the boys without having to go to the bar and spend all the money that it usually costs to hang out with the boys. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Oh, totally. And you know Dawson Edwards? Been coming to town, and he'll stay with me. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Oh, dude. So how's he doing? I haven't seen Dawson in a minute. He's doing well. [00:03:13] Speaker B: He's doing good. Just staying busy. Signed his pub deal. I was fired up for him for that. And, yeah, he'll just come to town and obviously still on the road a lot with Travis, but the trick crew, baby. Yeah, man. And so kind of dive into a lot of that, and he and I play a lot of golf together, and it's just kind of, you know, mexican and golf. That's kind of like our two. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Cinco, baby. Shout out, Cinco. Why is Cinco the best mexican restaurant in Nashville? Because there's a lot of them, bro. That still blows my mind. I say that to people all the time. They're like, don't you love the barbecue? And this out. My buddies back home are like, bro, the barbecue's gotta be so good. The fried chicken's gonna be. I'm like, bro, the mexican food is the best part of moving to the south. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah, dude, you're loyal. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I'm surprised you don't own part of Cinco with all the money you've spent there over the last four or five years that I've known you. [00:04:00] Speaker B: I know in the month of April, I spent over $1,600 there, which I'm not proud of. I mean, it's not really being the best steward of my money. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Did we get song ideas, though? [00:04:12] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. [00:04:15] Speaker A: That's a write off with writers. You're writing at Cinco. [00:04:18] Speaker B: A lot of publisher meetings, writers artist meetings. But, yeah, dude, it's. It's fun. It's I love this place because I used to be a loyal goer of the one over here on central pike or old Hickory. [00:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:34] Speaker B: And then obviously I moved into town. I live downtown now. And I was dropping a group off. They were doing like a girls night. And I dropped a group off at the local, like, over a year ago in April. And I'm passing down West End. I see the sign at the time, all it said was tacos. And I was like, that's a new mexican spot. Naturally. I gotta go try it. Yeah, I sat down at the end and my bartender, Mario, came up, introduced himself for the first time. And, dude, they just treat you like family. Like, I know that sounds so dumb, but, like, as a regular, anybody who's listening, who is like a regular of any spot, like you. Like when someone knows exactly what you want to eat or exactly what drink you're gonna do, or, you know. But to me, the food's better. It's like they run specials. They actually offer pastor, which, like, level up. None of the other mexican senkos offer pastor. This one does. It's phenomenal. [00:05:27] Speaker A: Downtown location. Yeah, some west. West end. Right. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Rest in. Right next to Jason's day. [00:05:33] Speaker A: That's where we went before the Zach top show. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah. What a night. What a night. [00:05:38] Speaker A: That was a long fucking night. Yeah, we had. Who was with. Amy was with us. [00:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah, big group. [00:05:43] Speaker A: Amy, Dookie, Nikki. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:47] Speaker A: I forget, was Alana. Oh, the Gaffney girls. Mary Kate and Liz. [00:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Wild, I think Kyle. That was a wild bunch. [00:05:58] Speaker B: But, yeah, it was the dude and their drinks are better. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Like, that's how I explain it. Because I'm a Las Palmas guy. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Las Palmas is where we started, where me and Boudreau talked about doing the podcast back in 2018. We sat Las Palmas and over cheese dip, we decided, let's do this podcast. Fuck it. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So I've always been a Las Palma, so it's sentimental. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Palmas. Also supposed now if I drank, I would be all about Cinco. Because you guys pound those fucking margaritas, bro. Those margarita pitchers. And I was back before anybody had cuts. Like, we were going in there with, like, Ella, Trey, JB, Maxwell. Like, the whole crew would just meet up at that Senko on old Hickory Boulevard, right there by that motel, by my favorite barbershop, by the way. Elusive studio. That little shopping center that's just above it. [00:06:49] Speaker B: Okay, where. [00:06:50] Speaker A: It's the head shop. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah. All the sketchy shit. The barbershop there. Those are my boys, Anas and Renee. And Taz and the guys in there. Great. A lot of the Titans players actually get their hair cut in there. [00:07:02] Speaker B: See, I'm. Which is wild bald guy. [00:07:03] Speaker A: I know. You don't need. You don't need. [00:07:05] Speaker B: I shaved my own. [00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah. You haven't. You ever needed a haircut and fucking. You probably need a haircut since I've known you. You've been bald since I known you? [00:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah, probably six, seven years. Just shave it. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Is that what you did? You just shave it? You just, like, fuck it one day. Cause you had curly hair. Like I do. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: You were a curly haired fuck. Tall, curly haired dude. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. Yeah. Just got rid of it. And, dude, honestly, like, okay, I understand two sides of it, but, like, being, like, being bald has never been, like, an insecurity. Me. Like, mine. Like, to me, it's like, I actually, like, enjoy it. Like, I mean, it is a little bit of upkeep. You know, you shave it three, four times a week, but it's like, dude, roll out of bed and just go. Or, like, yeah, get up and go anywhere. Like, I've never been a guy that's like, oh, I'm bald. Like, my buddies, like, they think they're doing me a disservice. Like, making jokes about me being bald. I'm just like, that's lame. Like, let's move on to something else. But there are other guys who. And my buddy Sonny, rest in peace. But he was one of those with, like, the most oddly shaped head you've ever seen. So he was bald. And, dude, I mean, you knock his hat off in public and you would think, like, yeah, there was an earthquake occurring or something. Like, you know. So I do get that aspect of being a bald man. It's never been like that. [00:08:18] Speaker A: I used to shave my head all the time. I was like a two on the top and, like a one or zero on the side. And I thought I would. And I had this curly hair my whole life, and I didn't think. I didn't think anything of it because I would go to the barber shop. It was like a father son thing. Like, my dad. I know you're close with your parents, too, but, like, me and my dad, it was go to Sal's barbershop in New York. And it was funny. Sal would be in there, but it'd be all these uzbekistani guys from Queens. They'd ride up in a minivan together. So there was a guy named Shrek. There was a guy named Aaron. There was a woman named Olga. But I'd always get my head shaved because my dad was bald. So I'm like, oh, you. You gotta have short. Gotta have short hair. Yeah, you gotta have a short fade. And my mom and my grandmother was like, why are you cutting your hair? You have this great curly hair. And I'd be like, no, I. My dad was like, bald is beautiful. So that was the motto I live by, was I always wanted to have the shaved hair, you know? And. [00:09:05] Speaker B: And I do miss. I missed the curls because, like, oh, dude, dude, it was the best. [00:09:09] Speaker A: Oh, bro, that's the only thing I like. Fucking tall, ginormous dude. Do you. With the curls on. On stage just wreaking havoc in Athens, Georgia, back in the day at sky bar, bro. I can only fucking imagine, bro. Lethal weapon wild back then. [00:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:26] Speaker A: But. But, yeah, I love. I like Senko a lot. And then we go to Los Toritos. [00:09:30] Speaker B: Nikki T. Loves that place right there on division. [00:09:33] Speaker A: No, not. Oh, no, that's. That's. Maybe I'm confused. El Toro loco. I got all these damn mexican places. Yeah, Toritos Toronto. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:09:41] Speaker A: There's a place over here in Hermitage that Nikki likes going to because of their lunch specials. [00:09:46] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:46] Speaker A: So now Nick has converted me to go to this place, El Toro loco, which is the most, like, Nikki T. Rey's rowdy name for a mexican restaurant, the crazy bowl. Shout out to Macon, Georgia. And we go there a lot and everything. But I was looking back, last time we did this podcast was. It had to be about four years ago. [00:10:05] Speaker B: It was Boudreaux's last episode. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Last episode at your apartment on central pike during COVID Sitting at the table. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker A: A little stoned. We got high. That was back when I had the Delta eight sponsorship. And I was like, everybody take Delta eight. Delta eight. Delta eight. Shout out to Andrew. And to see, that was right before everybody's lives changed and our whole crew. [00:10:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And it feels like a year ago, you know? It's like. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Does it really? It feels. I mean, it wasn't that long ago for you. [00:10:36] Speaker B: I want to say a year. I'd say it feels like two years ago because that. Because time just moves so slow here. Like, everything, you know. [00:10:42] Speaker A: See, I feel like it moves fast. [00:10:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:44] Speaker A: I'm always. I feel like it moves. It moves fast. [00:10:47] Speaker B: I guess that's. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, but. Because at that point, you hadn't had your publishing deal yet. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. You were. I was three or four months away. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:59] Speaker B: And had no clue. Yeah, yeah. [00:11:02] Speaker A: That was when. Because I remember right before COVID I remember you and Trey playing or during COVID I remember you and Trey coming and playing at the dogwood, playing around. One night at dog. I think porch Light was doing, as was big damn was doing, and Terry Lee Palmer were doing porch light over there. Yeah, I remember you and Trey couldn't be like, these guys are tall motherfuckers. And I remember checking your ids and whatever. And then I remember you jumping on one of our Instagram lives when I was up in Delaware. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:11:29] Speaker A: I remember you sending me the red Balloon song. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah, Chapman, I forgot about that. [00:11:33] Speaker A: So, like, that was back in, like, the. The revival days. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:37] Speaker A: And then I remember going over. I remember I had Maxwell and I had Stephen Paul, or not Dawson and Stephen Paul. And back to back podcast episodes at Tyler at Boudreaux House. And Mac and Dawson was like, man, you boys should come over, watch NASCAR with me, Caleb. Play Madden, and come and hang out with the boys. So Maxwell and Dawson invited us over one day, and you and Trey were over there doing one of your classic Madden tournaments, and you were getting your. Your ass whooped and mad, and Trey was dipping his fucking. [00:12:05] Speaker B: Try one. [00:12:06] Speaker A: There you go. Try one. Take that surfside. Have you not had one yet? They're dangerous. [00:12:12] Speaker B: That's scary. [00:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:13] Speaker B: But very good. [00:12:14] Speaker A: They're crushable. Yes. We love. We. I haven't had one, of course, but they're like. They're. They're great. We love the surfside, folks. So we'll send you home with that four pack. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Crazy good. [00:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah, they're. They're crushable. That's, like, perfect for the boat, the golf course, the writers retreat. You put it on ice, dude. People like that on ice. Like, you take that out, just tastes like tea. They don't even taste the vodka, from what I've been told. [00:12:35] Speaker B: That's really good. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, they're. They're crushable. So you'll. You'll be enjoying some of those. We'll get you a bunch of those. Um, but I remember Trey dipping the. He was dipping the. The wolf peach at the time. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:46] Speaker A: He was. I remember he was dipping because I packed the lip with him, and that was my first time meeting him. And then. And then it turned from there to kickball. [00:12:53] Speaker B: Yes. And those were the days, dude. [00:12:55] Speaker A: Bro, those were the best times, because at the time, you were. You were going down and playing cover gigs in the southeast, right? [00:13:05] Speaker B: I was still playing, you know, Athens, Auburn, just doing. Which to me, is a nightmare now. Like. But that is. You know, I'll do that now. I was still waiting tables. [00:13:16] Speaker A: Like, yeah, you were. Was that over at Rippy's? [00:13:18] Speaker B: I was working at listening room. Rippy's refereeing basketball. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that referee McKinney. I remember you being like, hey, I'll be over after this basketball game. I'm like, wait, you're refining, like, kids youth basketball games. [00:13:32] Speaker B: And to me, it's like, you know, a lot of people, like, I don't miss serving ever. I never will. Like, you know, but when it comes to basketball, it's like, I will never, never, never miss that, you know, just like you call a double dribble on a six year old and his dad wants to fight you in the parking lot type of shit, you know? And growing up in Georgia, like, you know, I ripped from the time I was, like, 18 to, I don't know, whenever I quit, 25, 26. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:59] Speaker B: And, you know, you just develop a tougher layer of skin. You learn how to tune them out. But, like, dude, there's nothing worse than, like, an AAU basketball tournament. It's like, 09:00 a.m. you went out with your boys the night before. You throw on your stripes. You get to the gym and just getting screamed at at, like, 09:01 like, from the tip. What kind of. What kind of toss was that? Rep, you know? And it's like, take it less serious. Like, these kids, like, I go back and I don't ever remember. My parents were very supportive, but they were never those type of parents. [00:14:30] Speaker A: No, I can't see progressively over the. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Generations, just gotten worse. [00:14:34] Speaker A: I can't see your parents yelling at a game. You can't envision that at all. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah, but, man, I will never miss that job. Up there with the worst. Surveying was bad. I used to throw some coupons for sport clips that wasn't awful because you just drive around and throw coupons in people's driveway like it's 1981 or something. Like, I don't know anyone that actually checked. Was that during COVID Not long after. Yeah, when Covid started. But I remember when I saw my pub deal, dude, it was, like, for the first year, I, like, get home from my right, and I'm so used to, like, come home, shower, change to the job, or, like, wake up, work, go right, go to other job that, like, I was sitting around going stir crazy. Like, this is really my only job now, you know? And it's like, it's a blessing. It's, like, what I always wanted, but it was. It took me, like, a year to adapt to just like, oh, my God, I'm not gonna have, like a twelve and under mom screaming at me Saturday morning. You know, it's like just that type. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Of stuff, but, yeah, and I remember kickball for sure was when I started to get really close with you guys. Like your whole crew of the no hits crew, the sigs in the outfield crew. Like, hanging out at Ryan Nelson's house, hanging out at the Bama house, at Trey, Ella, Mitch and Clay's house, hanging out at your apartment. The fantasy football draft at my house in Antioch. That sketchy little house I was living in, dude. Hanging out at Maxwell's, partying at Nick Haynes and Chelsea's. Bro, those were good times on the front of. And you'd hear, like, shots off, and we're just sitting there, dig down. It's just sitting around the fire bit, passing around cigars and other stuff. Dude, we had a good time, man. And it's like to see where everybody's at now. And last night, we had our final event at Live Oak with live oak closing. [00:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:29] Speaker A: And it's like, bro, it is sad because it's that during COVID to me, there were three places where there were really thriving. It was live oak, it was the local, and it was scoreboards. Those were the three places that I remember going and watching you guys play rounds. Obviously, I was hosting at Live Oak and then going over to scoreboards and just hanging out with everybody on, like a college football Saturday. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:50] Speaker A: Like, that's what we were doing. [00:16:52] Speaker B: And those were times, man. Yeah. And I think what's crazy is, like, I was just thinking about this the other day, and it's like, everybody, I feel like is just as close. Like, when we see each other, it's just everything's so busy, you know? And it's like, I mean, I talked, like, I was at the beach, and I talked to Ella for almost 2 hours on the phone, and it's like, oh, my God. Like, I didn't realize how long we hadn't talked to each other. Like, the things I'm telling her and she's telling me that we didn't know, or, like, you know, I'll call Trey. And, hey, man, sound check in. And then, you know, you hear from him a week later, and he's like, oh, yeah, this. You know. Or like, I run into Joy Beth now, when I see Joy Beth or Maxwell even, it's like when we run into each other on Music Row, and it's like, what's been new? Like, we got to get up and get drinks, and we never do just because it's like, what are you doing this weekend? Oh, I'm on the road with this artist. Or what are you doing this weekend? Oh, I'm on a retreat. But, hey, when I get back on Tuesday, oh, man, I'm playing a show Tuesday, and it's just, like, our lot. This is everything we prayed for. But it's like. It's so kind of weird, you know? Even, like, when I see you out, it's like, I mainly will see you, like, at a round or, like, if we. Like, when I saw you at the album release party for the other day, it's like, that's probably the first time I've seen you in, like, a month. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker B: And Nikki T and Nicki. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Nikki and I are just running around. Yeah, it's. It's. It's a grind. And I think back to one of my. I was trying to think back last Tuesday. Last week for Tuesday, my last outside the round. I didn't get too emotional. Nikki was starting to get emotional on Tuesday. I was like, it hasn't hit me yet. And then last night, I wouldn't say, like, close to tea. I was close to tears, but I wasn't fully crying, but it was, like, emotional. I was, like, thinking back to live Oak and the different. The nights that we had there. And the one that stands out, of course, is the. The first time that Trey had played Ddid in there with. With Maxwell and Ella and joy. Beth and Nikki always says, what made that video so crazy was Joybeth and Ella. These two young girls sit up there pumping their fist. Buff luck in Boston, you know, like, back in the day. And then that birthday party that we had planned. Yeah, Nate, that was the first collab, raised rowdy. That was my first event. That was, like, with raised rally. That was our first, like, in the round raised rowdy collab, when whale tail whales was in on it, too. And we had planned that birthday party before the. So before we knew the song was gonna be anything. And then I remember you coming up to me after, and you're like, I think I just got a publishing deal. Yeah, that was the night that Rusty and Maya and Tom, Anna, that whole crew was in. Pretty much every publisher in town was there that night, and that was during COVID So we were still technically running at a certain capacity. But that birthday party night of, like, you, Ella, Joy, Beth, Trey Maxwell, Ray Fulcher, Stephen Paul Dawson, like, the whole gang playing that night and just everybody's lives within. A couple months later, everybody had their photos in Scott Stafford's office of signing their thing with the whiskey drinks out and everything. And then I. And then you and I ended up on the road with Trey because you were out on the road with us for first couple months. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:59] Speaker A: Hopping up there singing music man. [00:20:00] Speaker B: The night I'll never forget, because, yeah, we'd plan this birthday party, like, what, three, four months ahead. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Nikki and I were like, let's throw a birthday bash for Trey and Maxwell. Like, let's do it. And then it's like, oh, fuck, this is gonna be when they're. But when our whole gang's the part of the biggest song in the world for, like, this. This moment I come. [00:20:19] Speaker B: Come back side stage. I think. I'm pretty sure it was me, joy, Beth. No, the round was me, Maxwell and Trey. Yeah, just the three of us, right? Yeah, I came about, like, side stage, and they're like, hey, who's here? I was like, well, like, sony's here, big machine's here, Warner's here, universal's here. Let's have fun, boys. Like, yeah, break a leg. You know? And at the time, it's like, that was, like, huge to us. You know, you have three majors and then a freaking big machine in the house to watch you play and. Yeah, that's crazy. I just remember, like, we're all, like, low key, like, really nervous. [00:20:58] Speaker A: I remember Trey playing believer and getting through that first chorus and the crowd just erupting. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Because everybody wanted a slice of great song. Yeah. And that's my thing, dude. Those are some of my favorite tres songs, are the ones that never. That were. That he was. That were coming out that time. And, like, you, maxwell, like, everybody at that time, like, the songs of 2020 were. So that's why, like, you and I were both talking about one of our favorite tracks on ella's. On ella's album, which is crushing, by the way. I love seeing what. What she's doing. And it's, I feel, like, proud big brother feelings, which I know you do, too. You actually lived with her, so real, real proud big brother stuff. But monsters being on that album, bro, I remember us riding around the van. I think you were with us, and we used to sit there in demo jail. Like, that was what we did a lot of demo jail in the van. And monsters was one of those songs. I believe hunter was. Hunter girl was singing on the work tape of it or the demo. [00:21:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:52] Speaker A: And to see that, because that was one of my favorite, like, coding songs. [00:21:56] Speaker B: When she first showed me that song. I mean, the melodies are all good and everything's great. But when you get to that pre chords everywhere I go, I don't. That that hooky melody I was already bought before. Like, I even heard the payoff on the chorus. And. Yeah, that's a great song. I was. I was glad that one, you know, found a place. And Ella fought for that one, and Maya fought for that song. And it's cool, too, just to see Hunter, Joybeth and Ella all get a cut together on there. But I'm sitting here staring at the black right there. [00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah, we got that right there. We got the Ddid plaque right there, bro. Like, we got a lot of different things in here from just different. We got that random eagle knife thing that we picked up. We picked that up at, like, a pawn shop, clothing store and Monteagle, Tennessee. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:41] Speaker A: And I saw that we were like, this is a business expense. We'll put it in the podcast. And I love, on the bottom it says bald eagle knife. It's like, no shit. It's a bald eagle knife. But, yeah, dude. And then you coming on the road with us, too. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:22:56] Speaker A: In the van. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Those were fun times. [00:22:59] Speaker A: I always tell people like, they're like, you've gotten to a lot of cool shit, bro. Like, what's. What's some of the wildest stuff? And I'm like, those first couple months in the van. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Were insane. And we were like, 1011 deep in there. Like, you're a big guy. Trey's a big guy. Devante's a big guy. Which, by the way, I saw Devontae recently. We were up at Tailgate and Tallboys, Midland, Michigan. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:22] Speaker A: And I'm. They have. They had me on stage hosting like, MC, which was sick. It was so cool. I love the folks in Michigan. Love shout out to Wayne and Austin and the whole crew with a USA concerts and tailgate and Tallboys. But I'm backstage and I'm looking around and all of a sudden I see this big black figure moving towards me. He's on like a hoodie. And I'm like, who's in a hoodie? It's like 85 degrees. And all of a sudden I'm like, he's playing with the lights. I'm like, holy shit, it's Devontae. Devante has now been on the road for a while because he had left Trey and gotten a gig with like a K pop band. He was like, overseas in Asia for a while. I didn't realize this with this K pop band. Only God didn't speak Korean. [00:24:02] Speaker B: Lights. [00:24:02] Speaker A: It doesn't fucking matter. And he is now doing like production stuff for Jesse Murph. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Wow. [00:24:08] Speaker A: So he has been on the road and her visuals, her light show and her video wall were insane. I'm like, that's a devante. [00:24:15] Speaker B: I've heard great things. [00:24:16] Speaker A: That's a devante production right there. But him and I like a big, big hug and like a big moment. Then at the end of the night, he was still loaded. He was loading. I'm like, you've come a long way from loading the loading. The Trey Lewis trailer. Now you're. Now you're calling a pack for a semi, dude. And he's like, dude, this is crazy. But it was good to see him. But yeah, those times in the van, like the trip out to Texas, the trips to Georgia. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:36] Speaker A: Martin, Tennessee. [00:24:38] Speaker B: That was a very memorable, but I wish it was a forgettable trip. [00:24:42] Speaker A: I know, I know, dude. But it's just these rooms. And it was crazy because nobody else was touring like we were. [00:24:49] Speaker B: I just want to. Let's just hone in on this for a second. Anyone listening that doesn't know. And I try to. I'll admit, I try to cover up a little bit. Trey played a show in martin, Tennessee. There's about 1400 people there that night, 14 to 15. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. More than probably should have been in that room. But we did it. [00:25:09] Speaker B: We show up. I drive down with Nikki T and Dawson Edwards. Naturally, Dawson and I get like two pictures of margaritas and we're drinking them on the way to Nikki drives and Nikki drives. So we get there and granted, I am a big guy and, like, a picture of margaritas doesn't do much to me. Like, truthfully, anyone that knows that. So this stage is not marked. It's just completely black. There's no taping. So we go up the right side of the stage. I come around the front of the stage and they're like, oh, to get to the green room, you got to go round. I start walking. Well, there's 6ft apart because these are Covid times. So there's like some two by fours. The floor is black, the stage is black. It all looks like one thing. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Two by four spike things, bro. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Yes. The spikes of death. [00:25:51] Speaker A: No, no. Bike rack. Two by four. Like medieval, like spikes keeping the people back at sliding. [00:25:58] Speaker B: And what color were they? Black. So I couldn't see anything. And I go to step across the front of the stage and walk in front of the mic. And that's the last thing I remember. I fall about 8ft. I land on about two. Two by fours. Next thing I know, I hear the crowd going nuts. They think I stage. [00:26:17] Speaker A: They think it's part of the show. [00:26:19] Speaker B: They thought it's part of the show. [00:26:19] Speaker A: The show was just crazy at that point. [00:26:21] Speaker B: I still. I mean, I don't know if your cameras can pick it up, but look. [00:26:25] Speaker A: Oh, you still have it? Yeah. I have a photo of you. [00:26:27] Speaker B: You have a scar on my tongue through it. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Yeah. You're actually wearing the black hat version of this. You're wearing a raised rowdy hat, and you had your bandana on, covered in blood, bro. I have a photo of you, and you can see the hole in your tongue. What impressed me the most about that next? I remember I was at the merch table, and I remember hearing the crowd roar. And I look over and you're on the ground like, oh, fuck. And then I remember going up to the green room to check and make sure you were okay. I think I had Nick Haynes or somebody watch the merch table. And you're just upstairs just spitting blood, but you're still going. And you're still like, I'm gonna get up there. I'm a sing music man. And the most electric moment of that night was you and Maxwell chugging beers. You got on your knee. So you're the same size as Maxwell, and you guys are both up there chugging during friends and low place. I'm like, what is this guy doing? [00:27:16] Speaker B: Dude? I think about it now because this is, you know, four years ago. Yeah, there's no way. I mean, I would be dead. We didn't finish, but I cracked. I cracked my sternum and I broke two ribs in addition to broke three metacarpals in my hand, which put me in a cast. And then I bit through my tongue. But, like, for the longest time, the venue owner came out and was like, well, was he drunk? No, sir, I was not. I had not even drank yet. So I am coming clean on the podcast and saying I was definitely drinking beforehand. But, yeah, we brought Mark Oriot up to evaluate my tongue. He was an emtanous. He's like, dude, I mean, they can't really stitch that. I won't say who, but someone in the venue who worked for the venue offered me, like, percocets. I was like, man, I'd rather not, like, get hooked on opiates, but if you got some cold beer. I know drinking, you know, 1617 beers, but I just remember holding out my tongue and I just said, just dump salt on it. Yeah. And they dumped all that salt on my tongue. And that's what got me through the night. But anyways, I just want to tell my side of the story. [00:28:19] Speaker A: That was. That was a wild, wild night. I remember that being Nikki T's first show back, like, for concert. Because Nick at that point was going to 50, 60 shows a year as a patron. Like, just going anything that was within, like an hour or two of or not even hour cup 4 hours of Pittsburgh. Nick was driving with his friends to go watch shows before he moved to town. So this was his first concert back. And I think he was blown away by how many people were there. And that was where the first ever. And we still do this when we go to Trey Lewis shows. That was where Nick got the piece of cardboard. Nick, how many beers can I buy? Like, we'll sell you a box. And Nick was walking around with a box of bush light. How many? Remember that? He bought, like, 30 something beers at slide and ride and was walking around just handing them out to people. Like, we tore off a piece of the cardboard. And I had the sharpies at the merch table. And he wrote Trey Lewis all access, 100% legit. And he has worn that to every Trey Lewis show still to this day. And Trey, back then, I was like, we're honoring this past forever. [00:29:23] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:29:24] Speaker A: The nikki t raised rowdy pass, but sliding around, there's all. Every time that I went out to that venue, something bad happened. I've been out there. I went out there four times. It no longer exists. They have a location in Jackson, Tennessee, that has live, live bull run. [00:29:38] Speaker B: I shut down. [00:29:39] Speaker A: They shut down. [00:29:39] Speaker B: Good. [00:29:40] Speaker A: They shut down. And now they have a location in Jackson that's smaller. They don't do like, like, full band, original stuff. They'd, like, cover bands go in there, but they do, like, live bull riding where you sign up and you can, like, get on a bowl and put on a helmet. Like, it's. [00:29:55] Speaker B: That's another way to break some ribs, you know? [00:29:56] Speaker A: Pookie and those are wild, bro. And again, I have nothing but love for Pookie, but every time that I went out there, something bad happened to. First time I go out there was with my buddy Ethan Willis. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:06] Speaker A: And I don't know if you know Ethan. Ethan, he's one of the guys that helped me really get started in town. And he's from out that way originally. And I was with him, Dave Hangley and some folks, and it was just a weird vibe. And we were opening, opening for John Langston and Ethan or Dave at the time. We later found out he was getting catfish, like, severely. Like. Like, abduction level. Like, it was. It was. It was. They were trying. The girl was trying. It was really odd. The girl had said that she was, like, had some. Some disease, and she was flying back to Africa for these kids that she had adopted and that she was in Portland, Maine, for this connection. Like, why are you connecting to a flight to Africa and Portland, Maine? Make any sense? And Dave was, like, distraught about this, so I was on the phone trying to handle it. On the phone with this girl who was apparently in this parking garage in Maine. All this weird shit. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:57] Speaker A: While that was going on. So that. That was time one at slide and ride, time two at slide and ride was with muscadine. And they had come close to selling out the show, but there was a big frat party, so nobody showed up. And it was, like, a few hundred people. It was a weird. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Wow. [00:31:13] Speaker A: It was with muscadine before. Third time was with Ethan. And at the time, myself, Ethan, and our buddy Cody, Bradley, we all had our girlfriends come with us, and we all rode out there, and by the time we came back, all of our girlfriends had broken up with us, like, because of stuff that had happened that night. It was just a chaotic night. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Wow. [00:31:30] Speaker A: And then my fourth time was that night with you. Every time I went out there, it's cursed. And I had. And I had. I had good times out there, but for the most part, it was just, like. It was just, like, an energy of, like, everything every time something went wrong. And again, I love. I have nothing but love and respect for Pookie. He's always been good. He always flew a raised rowdy flag there, like, had some. Some wild times. And then that time. That last time with Ethan was, like, right before COVID and John was sick, and we didn't see John at all until he was on stage. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:04] Speaker A: And that was, like, three days before the world shut down. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:08] Speaker A: So it was, like, just dark energy, bro. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Then the other time that stands out was Texas, when our. When your boy, AJ Minter came out to the show. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was fun. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Those texture shows were nuts. And we were in a van. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:22] Speaker A: I think you would know. You had flown out. [00:32:24] Speaker B: I flew in, and then I stayed. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Out there with Kenny Wayne, with. With Matt Daniel. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:28] Speaker A: When you guys wrote songs and fished and stayed on the ranch. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, yeah. When mentor came, that was Frisco. [00:32:36] Speaker A: Frisco, Texas, southern junction. [00:32:38] Speaker B: I'll never forget because you know. You know this, but I'm a die hard Braves guy. [00:32:42] Speaker A: You're just a big baseball guy. But, yes, braves, but you just love the game of baseball. [00:32:46] Speaker B: And I knew. I walked up to AJ, I said, if you don't mind me asking, I said, who do you play? I didn't even ask him. I knew who I like. I thought I knew who he was. He's like, I mean, I play for the braves. I said, mentor? And he said, yeah. So I met him, and he's like, yeah, we're supposed to meet Trey. And I go backstage, and Trey, I saw him shake his hand, and then we go backstage, and Trey's like, yeah, some baseball player for the Braves supposed to be here. And I was like, you idiot, that was him out there. He's already here. Like, you want me to bring him back? You know, baseball. That's cool. Through that, I've gotten to know AJ, you know, decently well, and he always hooks me up when I come back to Atlanta. But the problem is, let's see, he's hooked me up now for two Marlins games. They've rained both games. We lost both games. Then he got me tickets to the Mets. This was this past year, and we got shelled. It's like 21 to three. [00:33:38] Speaker A: The Mets dominated that series. [00:33:39] Speaker B: And so I'm like, maybe I'm just bad luck. Like, I'm just gonna start buying the tickets and then meeting up after. I don't. You know, maybe it's me. [00:33:47] Speaker A: Because that weekend in Texas was wild, too, and there were some. There were some bad omens of that, too. So maybe it's just you and AJ together. Just bad shit happens. [00:33:55] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. [00:33:57] Speaker A: He's still on the Braves, right? He didn't. He didn't get traded during the deadline, right? [00:34:01] Speaker B: No, he's still there. And we just brought Luke Jackson back from San Francisco. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Tyler. Tyler Boudreau's favorite. Boudreaux used to roast. [00:34:10] Speaker B: Dude, I love Luke Jackson. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Boudreaux used to. And we'll get into Twitter here in a second. Boudreaux used to get in on the Twitter and he had all his fake accounts, and he would just yell about Luke Jackson. He just hated Luke Jackson. I'm like, I don't think he's that bad relievers than Luke Jackson. He was young at that point. [00:34:29] Speaker B: That guy played a integral part in our World Series run. So he will always be in Atlanta brave, and I'll always respect him because, like, I. That's another thing with baseball, is it is one of the most mentally tough sports. [00:34:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:40] Speaker B: I would say up there with golf, of all sports. [00:34:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:43] Speaker B: And so, like, yeah. Like, sometimes you get a little bit of a slump, but, like, that guy had a hell of a year, then he went to San Francisco, had a hell of a year. Era is a little up this year, but hopefully the Atlanta magic will come back to him, but. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I understand. I've definitely heard the Braves. You know, I'm on the forums. I'm on the Twitter on all the things I know. [00:35:02] Speaker A: You're on the Twitter? [00:35:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And you, you hear about all that? [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I still call it Twitter, by the way. I can't call out x. I can't call it X. It's always gonna be Twitter. The logo may be different, and Elon may be owning it. There might be weird, weirder shit on there now, but it will always be Twitter in my eyes. And I've never gotten really into Twitter. I, like, tried to do it for a little bit, and I'll bitch about the Yankees, like, every now and again, but it's probably my least used of all the social media apps. It's more of an Instagram I don't even get on. Tick tock, bro. [00:35:34] Speaker B: I think it's great for, like, if you want to search something specifically, like, the whole all star game national anthem fiasco. Yeah, I just typed in national anthem, and, I mean, 100,000 of, like, the best humor. [00:35:48] Speaker A: If you look like trade deadline, I'll get on there and see what John Heyman and Ken Rosenthal were saying about the Yankees during the trade deadline. Like, yeah, that kind of news. Or, like, college football is great. College football, like, signing day. Or, like, recruiting for college football. It's great. Great. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Up to the minute updates, which is another than that. It's just, you know, like, ball busting. [00:36:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:07] Speaker B: It's just so. It is very toxic. I will say that. [00:36:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:10] Speaker B: But for the most part, like, if you can get on there and you can just be like, oh, Google this. Or, I mean, search for this in the search bar, it's pretty beneficial, I think. [00:36:19] Speaker A: So talking about ball busting and craziness. Really good mutual friend of ours who's been like, I want to. I want to say it's like a brother relationship with him, but I know it's always, it's always wild. Jordan Walker. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Uh huh. [00:36:32] Speaker A: How. How your, your friendship with him, dude, because he's a, he's one of those guys that if he doesn't break your balls, he doesn't like you. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:41] Speaker A: And he breaks both of our balls. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Like, I mean, he's seen him in a while. He's been. He's been busy doing the dad stuff. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:49] Speaker A: But good dude. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Uh, phenomenal rider. But, I mean, probably the quickest wit in town. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:57] Speaker B: And I learned early on, you know, like, when I saw him there, I was just, like, not going to comment on this because I know he's going to come back with this, this, this and this. [00:37:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you have to be strategic. [00:37:06] Speaker B: But I've got a lot of friends like that in town. But he, he definitely. Yeah, quick wit. [00:37:09] Speaker A: And I feel like you guys both do such a good job at a venue like the listening room. [00:37:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Wherever part of what people get with that experience. And people can get it sometimes at other rounds, too. Like, if you have the right group, like, we've had. We've had it at live Oak over the years where you have the right group of guys or girls up there where you get the personality, where you're going to. You're going to laugh and hear a lot about the songs and get to just see the camaraderie that's in the songwriting community. Jordan does a great job of that. And you do a great job of that with your listening room shows. Yeah. [00:37:38] Speaker B: And I think it's funny as a songwriter because, like, I 90 whatever percent of songwriters would never want to be, like, an artist, you know, like, have no desire to tour, have no desire to, like, put out music, whatever. But there is a sense of it and a side of it which is like, I feel like that's why we, you know, me and him both pretty much have, like, residencies at the listen room a couple times a month and Adam Craig and numerous guys, Josh Phillips. But it's funny because there isn't a side of artistry to it. Like, you have your stories and you kind of really have to know how to warm up to the crowd when to tell a certain story. Sometimes you're on the fly and it's like, oh, he just played a really funny song. I can't play this. Bring the energy down or whatever. So you do actually build a set and you do constantly, like, chisel these stories to get the best laugh out of. So it is. I do love playing the listening for that reason, but it is a lot more complex than just getting up there and being like, oh, this song's a one, four, five and g. It's not just like, hey, I wrote this song with Matt Barrio and blah, and you just play it, you know, and I. I think there's definitely is a side of that. And there are people that you do invite. But, like, you know, bringing up the legends, like, I got to play, you know, there with like, Marv Green and Rivers Rutherford. And I'm just sitting there, like, listening the stories behind these songs and then it's like, oh, shit, it's my turn. You know, like I'm as engaged. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Rivers Rutherford turning a. Turning a three minute and 45, 2nd or two minute, whatever hit into like a seven minute song where he's just ripping on guitar. He starts standing up and stopping his feet. I've been trying to get Rivers on this podcast. I think we're going to be doing it soon. But the guys that you just named, like yourself, Josh Phillips, Jordan Walker, Adam Craig, and I throw Ray Fulcher in there, too. You guys have all at some point done the artist thing, too. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:29] Speaker A: That factors in as well where you guys know how to do that. You've all done sets where it's like just you on stage, like going back to your days in Athens and going to Auburn and t town and all that. Jordan, obviously with Walker McGuire and fucking ray's still out there doing his thing. And Josh was on the Brantley tour years ago and done his thing. And Adam, of course, which to me, it's a crime that Adam Craig is still not my favorite voice. It's a crime that Adam doesn't do. But again, he's. He's found where. But that's, I think what makes your guys show, like, you guys playing the writers shows and the writers nights and even the private gig so special is because you have that thing where artists have to know how to entertain people and you guys are all very good at that stuff. [00:40:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And it. I mean, you definitely learn. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:15] Speaker B: And there's certain songs I've played where I'm like, oh, that was a bust. I'm never playing that one again. Or that story got awkward. At this point, I need to find a different way to tell it or whatever it is. But going back to the Rivers dude, every story he has behind a song is just, like, amazing. [00:40:29] Speaker A: He's still on his game creating incredible stuff, dude. Like, he's still up there as far as, like, active writers, him and Marv, like, there's guys that. Those are guys that have been doing it for coming up on three decades. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:44] Speaker A: Over three decades. And they're still getting in the room with these young artists and creating incredible things. [00:40:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And dude, rivers is like, I, like, jokingly call him, like, my Nashville dad, but he really is like, I've learned so much about the craft itself or just to, like, who I am as a songwriter through, you know, my friendship with him. And, you know, anytime you get in a room with any of those guys that you. I mean, for me, like the Marv greens, the rivers, Rutherfords, like, getting in with Bob Dapiro, jeff Steele, like, these guys who were just like, I moved to town because of their work, you always, like, trying to take something. I'm the student in the room, you know, and to me, I feel like to be a beneficial songwriter, you have to be able to every day, no matter if it's those guys or whoever, you know, like a hot name in the game and young right now, you're always trying to, like, just be a sponge in the room. Like, you're gonna give where you give and you're gonna do what you do, but you always try to take something. And so every time I'm in the room with, like, any of those guys, like, you know, I'm just. There's a reason they have the hits they do. It's not because they were in the room at 11:00 at the right time, you know, and, you know, there are certain people in town that will not about those guys at all, but just, you know, decorated hall of famers or whatever. It's like, oh, they're just a little. Little dated or they haven't got with the times, and I've never had those experience, but even in those experiences, man, like, you gotta take and try to sharpen the iron by learning from those guys. Because, like, dude, I wanted to move to town if it weren't for, I don't know, six of the guys I just named, you know, like, those are the guys. Like, when albums came out, I'm just, like, flipping in the back, like, I don't care. It's a Mcgraw record. Who wrote what? Yeah, and or whoever, blake shelton record. But, yeah, I think that's just, like, your duty as a songwriter is like, that's kind of like an ode to them for, you know, but those guys, I mean, unreal. You just constantly learning, so, yeah, and those guys come from an era where it was like, dude, they're not sitting down writing a song, always in 3 hours, and they're out. You know, like, we're in this mass production state of this business where it's like, oh, I'm gonna go create the song two and a half hours and go to my next one. Create one in three. Yeah, a lot of those guys are taking sometimes four sessions. And you can hear it in the craft of a song. Like, yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly how long, like, when I get where I'm going took, but, like, the details of that song, you're like, there's no way they sat down in 45 minutes or at that song. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's no way that song was. Was written and then in the studio and getting cut two weeks later as a process in the studio as well. And that's. I was talking with. With Ryan Yeoman's the other day, and he's like, bro, I'm working with these. These young artists, and the labels are wanting, like, two week return time so they can go right from the studio out to streaming. [00:43:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:35] Speaker A: Like, the high volume of stuff, and the songs are still great, but it's just, there's a difference. You can hear it in the. In the two thousands and the nineties. [00:43:43] Speaker B: Stuff, the craft was just different to me, bro. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Like, there's something about a song that sits for a little while and the producer and the artist figure out. Exactly. And the writers, too. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Right? [00:43:52] Speaker A: Figured exactly. How is this supposed to sound, you know? And there's so many, like, a work tape can sound so different than a demo can sound so different from the final cut version. Like, you give time and let it marinate, bro. [00:44:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:03] Speaker A: That's how you get that. That great generational stuff. [00:44:06] Speaker B: And for me, just as a creative, and I love where we are in the industry, and I think it's amazing. Like, you know, I don't like Spotify's business model, obviously, but I think the streaming service has created opportunities for a lot of new artists and even helps songwriters. But it is slightly part of me as a creative that it is a little sad, you know, when, like, these 24 song records come out and it's just like, there's some really good songs that never get the light of day because it's just so concentrated now that it's like, yeah, you know, you're hearing the XM single and you're hearing the radio single and then, like, a couple features here and there. But then, like, when you really actually, I don't know, many people, like, as listeners, as consumers that sit down are like, oh, dude, have you heard the new blank blank record? Like, track number 18 is phenomenal. You know, it's like, we're just in such a right here, right now realm of music now that it's like, in a way, there's so many songs which I think down the road could benefit songwriters because they might get recut, you know, there's certain songs that, like, oh, that wasn't a single. It was actually, which happened back in the day. But I think it could also give a little bit of a kickback to the songwriter, to the artist and. But it is kind of sad to watch sometimes, you know, like, yeah, I mean, even when, like, I remember being a kid, like a diamond Rio record would drop, dude. And it's like twelve songs to me. That's enough. [00:45:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:45:28] Speaker B: Twelve songs. I can know every single lyric front and back. Every songwriter get through a record and you fall in love with this body of work to where now it's like, dude, why are you putting out 222 song? [00:45:43] Speaker A: Yeah, no albums in a year, no shirt, no problems. Wouldn't have hit the same with Kenny Chesney. It were. If it were that record in the next record put together. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah. It just wouldn't have, like, I mean, prime example, a song off that record, like live those songs. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:56] Speaker B: No one talks about that song, but because it was a small body of work, it's like, dude, I remember that was the first cd I ever bought. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Same. That's one of my. Yep. Yeah, yeah, we. Kenny in the black and the black tank top with the black hat on. [00:46:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:08] Speaker A: Young kicking off that record. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Just like, damn, dude, I went and went to the best buy in Augusta, Georgia. My grandpa took me and his, you know, 94 Ford Ranger and we pulled up and I'd spend my hard earned money for that Kenny record. And it's like, but again, like, that's twelve songs that were just like, I still remember that, you know, record to this day where nowadays it's a little harder to be like, you know, like, I'll see a writer and we'll be in the room chit chatting and it's like, you know, what are you fired up about? It's like, well, I just got a cut on her, you know, and it's like, oh, that's awesome. A cut's always a good cut, but it's at the same time as songwriter, you're like, yeah, with 28 other songs on the record. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yeah, it's different. [00:46:52] Speaker B: It's just harder to beat songs out. [00:46:53] Speaker A: It's like, look at a guy like, like big money Maxwell. And we've, we've called him big money Maxwell before there was any, before any deal that he had. You know, that was just always our joke with, with Alex. And he's like, he's had over two dozen cuts in the past two years. But it's like, I couldn't even tell you what all those songs are, whereas, like, in the. In the previous era, you would know those songs because they would be on radio or they would be part of a smaller collection. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:25] Speaker A: It's just. It's tough. [00:47:26] Speaker B: And, I mean, that's the same way for me. Or the same with, I'm gonna give some kickback to my boy Maxwell. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:47:31] Speaker B: That's any writer nowadays. It's like, I mean, I've had x amount of major label cuts, too. And it's like, I don't know, like, if anyone actually dove into my work, you might know six, seven, you know, and it's like. But you try not to get. Every cut's always a win in my mind. Yeah, you try to celebrate because there's so many just ass kickings you take. Yeah, that's like, you. If you don't celebrate the wins, it makes it hard sometimes, but it is definitely harder now because it's like, if you're not. If you're not getting the single or just a standout, phenomenal song that ultimately gets recognition, it's easy to just be like, even at a writers round, like, I don't want to play my deep cut off of a, you know, a Colby Cooper record that I had, which. Love Colby, love all that. But it's like, on the record, it was probably like the lowest streaming song. It's like, I'd rather just play something new that, you know. [00:48:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:24] Speaker B: People hope that they can hear. You can hopefully convince them that they're gonna hear even though they may never hear it. But, yeah, it's just a whole different, you know, kind of industry in a sense. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Yeah. What was it like when you first. You first get that deal and then you're getting in the rooms because you've been writing songs for a long time. You're what I look back on. On our era of revival, I look at, like, the different events in town. Like, right now raise rowdy. We're lucky enough that we're Nikki and I, and our events are become a staple in town and, like, a chapter of things that have come from there. Like, I look at guys and girls, like, I look at, like, Bailey Zimmerman, Ella Dylan Marlowe. Like, people like that, that came from our events. But revival and whiskey jam obviously are, like, staples in town and, like, moments in time. Like, Luke Combs is a revival guy. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Right? [00:49:14] Speaker A: Big Rob Snyder, obviously, revival guy. Muscadine bloodline revival guys. Eric Dillon, that era. Yep. Riley Green. Like, you were. You were a part of, like, the end of that era and writing songs and stuff. And you've always been a prolific writer, and you were doing a lot. And, like, the. That americana kind of left of center world. The Ben Chapman's, the Tyler Halversons, the Nate Fredericks, the Ryan Nelson's, the Meg McCree's, Harper O'Neill's, Vinny, Pa, Lizzie, Gabe Lee. This goes on and on, and I love those kids, and they're. They're fantastic. They're like. Like family to us. [00:49:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:45] Speaker A: But for you, to you sign the deal, you start writing. You start writing down on 16th Avenue, you start doing the Sony thing. Like, you're. You're in it now. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Like, you're out. [00:49:52] Speaker A: You're at the big time. And part of what gets you there is a song that you write as a joke with your buddies. [00:49:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:59] Speaker A: That blows up and has this moment where the entire town is talking about it, folks out of town. It's just. It's fucking massive. What's it like getting in that room where people like, oh, this is just the dick down in Dallas guy, and you kind of prove yourself? Or was it like you had already kind of had some relationships and people kind of knew the whole body of work? [00:50:18] Speaker B: No, man. It was kind of like ground zero, you know? And I was more hungry, too, because I had written so many other songs that was just kind of like you had written. [00:50:26] Speaker A: You were. You were playing songs in the van that you. You were writing probably close to double digit. You were writing a lot of songs each month. Like, you were just writing every day. Yeah, before the pub deal. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Well, I mean, even my position now to where I was four years, I think every day you're getting in the room, you got to prove yourself. Like, I was listening to the Troy Cartwright podcast. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Ten years. How. Dude, I love that podcast. Such a great job, Troy. I'd love to get you on here, by the way. Love the. I'm Troy on here, but here in. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Rocky, say, like, I love working with new people because, like, you could have. That's just the thing about town is, like, you could have a bunch of big hits, and it's like, when you're working with somebody new, you always have to prove yourself, and, like, there's a professional way to do it. You're not trying to go above and beyond. You're not trying to be the dominant chair in the room by any means. But, like, so starting particularly, that was my first, like, big hit. It was. I felt I was even a little bit more in the hole because they're like, oh, I'm writing with the dick down in Dallas guy. And it was like, but I'd worked my whole life to not be that, to be this respected songwriter, and it takes time, you know? And, like, just the cold, hard facts is like, dude, you're just not going to gel with people. Like, you could throw me in the room with two guys with multiple. Multiple hits on the chart right now, and that doesn't mean we're gonna get a great song, but you could throw me in the room with somebody who they're like, oh, this guy, you know, he doesn't contribute much. Well, it's all about chemistry in a room, you know? Like, obviously, you do have your guys that do what they do extremely well. Like, you're not gonna get in the room with Ashley Gorley and get a shitty melody, you know? Yeah, but you're not gonna get in the room with, like, Lee Thomas Miller and just be like, man, the lyric was pretty weak today. You know, that doesn't happen. But, like, just because they do one thing particularly well, which is where it gets a little confusing for, like, publishers. Like, oh, this guy's a great lyric. His melody and his idea, let's throw it together. And every day, you never know, but you're always in the room trying to prove yourself, you know, every day. But I definitely thought it was a little more difficult coming in with that. [00:52:29] Speaker A: As the hit were some of your first writers, where you were like, you could kind of, like, get your first rights that were set up by Sony that you remember. [00:52:38] Speaker B: My first, I think my first one was Jesse Alexander and Jimmy Urie and. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Great room to be in. [00:52:43] Speaker B: I thought that went well. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:46] Speaker B: You know, about eight days after my deal was me, Jordan Davis. Sorry. Yeah. Me, Jordan Davis, Jacob Davis and Jordan Walker. We wrote part of it. [00:52:57] Speaker A: That's a lot of talking in that room. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:59] Speaker A: Which. But we just saw Jordan, by the way, in up in Cincinnati, opening for combs and bro. [00:53:04] Speaker B: Such a good show, man. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Such a good show. Dude is electric. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Trying to think other ones. Obviously got in with hayslip pretty early, and to me, that was a bucket as a Georgia guy. Like, you know, I. That body worked all the peach picker stuff. Just like, again, part of the reason I moved to town. But those were, like, kind of the moments, like, early on where I was like, oh, I'm here. Like, this is real. You know? Like, this is. And I do. There's great writers all over town. Like, you're not just gonna say, like, oh, like, I mean, major labels. I mean, major publishing companies do have a greater concentration of, like, hit writers, but that's primarily because of numbers like roster size. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:47] Speaker B: So, yeah, you, like, your, your. Your hit to rider ratio is probably going to be really high, but, like, there's incredible small, independent pubs all over town. [00:53:56] Speaker A: Yeah, have some great fucking. [00:53:58] Speaker B: I mean, look at, you know, like, even back blocks with, like, Blake Pendergrass or, like, I mean, Concorde. Big machines of independent, I think, like, Seagull, 50 egg. Seagull, 50 egg. I mean, there's so many small, good pubs and that's not, like, this major mentality that, like, we're at a major every day. Like, we're all throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks, you know? And. But that was for me, like, when I got to Sony, one of those moments where it's like, this is like, getting the call. Like, you're in the big leagues now. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:28] Speaker B: It's time to write, like, real songs, you know, like, not that you weren't before, but it's like. And what I found over the years is, like, there's so much every single rider in this town that you can. You can take and you can try to, like, overcomplicate, like, but there's so many intangibles that are just so out of your control. So, like, the things I. This has been a really. A switch of mindset for me over the last two years is it's just like, what can I control? And what can I. Like? I can control my relationships. I can control how hard I work. I can control getting my mind right, treating my body right, showing up, showing up, getting the sleep, how much I'm praying about it. You can control things like that. But then, like, when you walk out of that room, dude, it's like, there's no telling music so subjective. You never know how it's gonna hit a certain publisher or how it's gonna hit an a and r or an artist just through a text message. So from there, it's, like, truly out of our control. You can lose sleep every single night and you can be like, I should probably get up, like, be pitching songs and like, yeah, like, you can control that with your artist friends. But, like, the more I've been able to just realize what I can control and do that well, it's helped everything else in my career. Like, I'm not stressing about not getting this cut or, like, man, this song was on hold. This song got cut and didn't make the record. Like, that's fine. It's gonna. It's all gonna, like, it's a one big universe. It's all gonna work itself out, but you can only control get your ass out of bed and chop wood that day so you can hopefully build a fire, you know? And that has changed my whole perspective. And it took me four years to figure it out. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. [00:56:03] Speaker B: But now it's like, what else are you gonna do? You're not gonna sit around and mope and, like, you can't beg an artist to cut a song. You can't beg a publisher to, like, love a song and pitch it. You know, you just got to do what you can control, and then it all kind of falls in, you know? And I think that's anything in this business. It's like, even if you're in management, if you're in videography, if you're and y'all side of the business, like, what can you actually control? Like, you can only put in as much work as you can, you know? So not trying to get like, no. [00:56:32] Speaker A: Dude, no, that's what we want. Now, how. How long is, like, a duration of a pub deal and stuff? Because you guys, you signed and what was it 2020 or was it beginning of 21. [00:56:41] Speaker B: February 1 21. [00:56:44] Speaker A: So how long is, like, a duration. [00:56:45] Speaker B: Of a pub deal work usually. Like, for instance, mine was, like, two hard terms with two years and then option. Option. It kind of all depends on, like, your draw and kind of what you're putting on your end of the deal. But my deals up at Sony February 1. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Okay. [00:57:02] Speaker B: Which we're talking now, I think, trying to work that out and extend that, hopefully. Yeah, that's. That's my home. That's where I love to be. Yeah. To me, Rusty. [00:57:11] Speaker A: It's like, just rusty, guys. [00:57:13] Speaker B: Just the guy. [00:57:14] Speaker A: I saw him at the Ella's. Ella's release party and what a good dude. What a great guy. And it's funny, my little brother works in New York and works in, like, finance, and he's having a hell of a day right now. Shout out to the. To the stock market. But. But he. He. Some of what they've been doing, what his company's been doing is, like, working with. Talking to, like, publishers and looking at it from, like, that perspective because there's. Catalogs are fucking malleable, dude. [00:57:43] Speaker B: A lot of money. [00:57:43] Speaker A: There's a lot of stuff involved. So he's. He's been cut. He's been coming to town, and he actually went out to dinner with Rusty. [00:57:49] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:57:50] Speaker A: Like, a few months ago. So Rusty saw me in Ellis things. Like, did I have dinner with your brother? Like, a few months ago, I'm like, yeah, he was telling me about that. So what? But he's just such a champion of the craft and of the business and treats. Seems like he treats everybody over there like family, dude. Like it is for a big, big operation like that. You don't always get that, dude. [00:58:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's a culture. The biggest word with him is his passion. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:16] Speaker B: You know, you wake up these mornings and it's like music is healing. Or he'll send. You know, he sends out these texts to all of the writers specifically, which, I don't know, many, like, other presidents accompanies that do that, but care that much. Like, yeah, you know, music is healing today. You have the power to create something that could change your world and the whole world. You know, you just get out of bed and you're like, well, shit, have my coffee and think about that for a minute. But, I mean, it's just that and, like, you know, just the energy and he's such a leader, obviously, big Tom being my guy, and Sony, too. [00:58:51] Speaker A: I love Big Tom Lutheran. [00:58:52] Speaker B: I just love our. I love our publishing staff. Like, you know, like, there's not a single publishing office. And that's why he said it is such a big company, but it feels small. Like, they feel like family, but I don't feel like there's a single, like, pluggers a and r that I could, like, walk in, knock on the door and not talk to them for five minutes or play them a song or just, like, pick their brain creatively about something that I want to do, get on the calendar or whatever. And so, obviously, that's where I'd like to be. But I know business is business, and we'll figure that all that out. But I feel pretty good about, you know, moving forward. [00:59:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:25] Speaker B: So. [00:59:25] Speaker A: Because it's cool that you, Ella, JB, Trey and Maxwell all ended up at the same place. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Off of that same kind of roller coaster. And I knew it was gonna happen. I was. We all. We all knew that, like, the whole gang was gonna get there, you know, and it's like. But for it all to happen off of that moment, and it was just such a roll. And it's funny. Trey and I and, like, the rest of, like, the TL team, we used to joke, like, yeah, one day we're going to be opening for Ella kind of thing. Like, Ella's a damn superstar. To see what she's doing right now. And Maxwell, from doing the demos back in the day to now working on major projects and like, a guy that's integral in the careers of some guys that are making a lot of noise right now. Enjoy. Beth just. [01:00:09] Speaker B: Just crushing dude widely. [01:00:11] Speaker A: Just fucking dominant. [01:00:12] Speaker B: Quiet anymore. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. And she's like, this quiet little, like, innocent, but she's just a fucking. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:21] Speaker A: And she was one of those people that. When she would play at Live Oak and live oak historically very loud room, you know, and it makes it tough for. But I guess, you guys know, going in like that. It's a networking thing, and there's gonna be people talking, and that's just how that room is. She would get that room to shut up. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Because she'd be up there just playing, like, weatherman, a song that you guys wrote with Lydia. Like, songs like that. People are just like, oh, shit. You know, like, where it just captivates a room. And she just has his voice. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:47] Speaker A: So it's. It's cool to. [01:00:48] Speaker B: And it's cool, like, our group coming up together, especially those five. And, I mean, there's more, like Dawson, and, you know, you add in Dawson. [01:00:56] Speaker A: Brian Frazier, Cody Parks. [01:00:58] Speaker B: It's like a bunch of those. But particularly, like, you know, even us living together, it'd be like, oh, you got canceled on today. That's great. Like, I did too. Let's work. And, you know, like, it's always just, like, encouraging. Like, hey, you know what? Let's make them regret the cancel today. Let's write something. Or, like, call Maxwell. Like, well, what's going on? Like, I had something this morning, but, like, what about this afternoon? It's like, yeah, dude, let's write one this afternoon. You know, like, we're always encouraging each other. Just, like, keep working. Yeah, keep chopping with, you know? And I feel like that's kind of what we've all just kind of had this hustle, you know, which you have to have. I. There's not that we're any different than any other writer in this town, but having that core group of just, like, you know, to keep pushing you together and, you know, me and joy, Beth living downstairs, it'd be like 11:00 at night. Like, I got this idea, you know, it's just like, constant creation. It was like, you know, I kind of tribute a lot of our success to, like, just how much we kept pushing each other throughout all the time, you know, the highs and the lows, and it's so fun to watch, you know? And I'll never forget, like, the morning me and Ella got a cut on El King, like, running upstairs, and she's just like, what the hell, dude? You know? Like. And then it's funny because, like, little things like that start becoming. You still cherish them, but you start looking back and being like, man, I wish I could just feel that every time. Like, when Ella got the Randy Houser tour or the Jamie Johnson tour, and we're just like, this is the coolest thing ever. We're backstage at a randy house or show I remember, which is amazing. A big fan. [01:02:37] Speaker A: I remember getting a call from Trey and Alex saying, hey, we're going on the road with kid rock. Like, just moments like that where the high you felt. [01:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, or. And, like, again, huge Jamie Johnson fan. Huge randy houser fan. But, like, Ella just played for 65,000 in Kansas City with Morgan. You're like, damn. Remember, like, how happy we were when, like, jamie Johnson took you out to dinner and asked you on tour? [01:03:01] Speaker A: Like, jamie Johnson showing up at the house? [01:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Or, like, you know, when the first time me and Trey went out to, like, kid rock's house and we're just, like, sitting there, like, watching Fox news, smoking cigars, and be like, that's kid rock. This is nuts. You know, now you see him out, it's like, man, that's pretty wild, uncle Bob. But, you know, that's something I I need to do better about myself. It's just, like, still cherishing those wins the same, because they're just as cool. It's just at the time when we weren't exposed to anything like that, you know, it's like, really valuing. I don't know why I couldn't say that word, valuing, like, every opportunity, you know? But it's just harder to do the more you do it, because it's just so you become numb to it in town. It's almost like, you know, but, uh, yeah, I'll never. I'll never forget those days. [01:03:52] Speaker A: They were. They were good times. What advice would you have for, like, a kid moving to town? Like, a kid, like. Like, in your position where you were playing the gigs back home, you're toying with the idea of the artist thing. Like, yeah, because you moved up here, what, you were 2122-2023 I believe. Okay, so we moved. What year you moved? 2018. [01:04:12] Speaker B: Yeah. So I was 24. [01:04:14] Speaker A: So what year? What? So 20. 2018. [01:04:17] Speaker B: I was 24 then. [01:04:18] Speaker A: What month? Because that's when I moved. I moved. [01:04:21] Speaker B: I moved up here first in October. I've moved my stuff, and I hadn't graduated yet. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Oh, October of 2018. [01:04:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:04:26] Speaker A: Okay. [01:04:26] Speaker B: I wasn't, like, up here till December. [01:04:28] Speaker A: Okay. I was guess I moved here on Halloween 2018. Like, right around that. We moved here, right? Yeah, dude, I got thrown. I moved there. It was October 25, so it was a little bit before Halloween. But that Friday night, I was hanging out at whiskey Row, and I was going to be working there, but I hadn't, like, ever bounced before anything like that. I told them I did in my application, but I didn't. And I was hanging out in the rooftop, and they just handed me a polo and a radio. And we're like, you're watching the third floor tonight. Okay, here we are. Welcome to Nashville. But I think that time that we moved here, like, just before COVID we got to experience, like, two kind of the ending of one chapter in Nashville and the beginning of another through the chaos of COVID Yeah. You know, like, we got to see revival at tin roof. [01:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Which was the best Tuesday nights, bro. [01:05:16] Speaker A: They were fantastic. And I loved. And I loved that people always ask, they're like, did you like having revival down the street? Like, fuck yeah, I did. I used to have Vinny, pale Lizzie, and. Cause that was when I was doing them from, I would start at six, and we'd go six to eleven, and I would have Vinny and Halvorson and guys like you and job and Ryan. I'd have the revival crew play my first round, and then Vinny would be able to be done and go down and start revival. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:43] Speaker A: And that's how we used to do it. Like, I just. I loved the traffic that was on that street. I loved having Rob and Vinny and yourself and everybody down there, because that, to me, was the culture. And then we'd all go meet up at red door after. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:55] Speaker A: You know, that was, like, part of the culture. And it's like when Covid. When Covid hit every. All that kind of changed, you know? Like, I remember the first one of the first rounds I went to, and I was saying it to Aaron this weekend. We were up in Cincinnati, and Luke played. She got the best of me. I'm like, this was. I remember my first revival that I went to. I moved on a Thursday, and I went on that. That following Tuesday, I went to revival just on a whim. I was like, I got to go to this thing and see what it is. And fucking combs hopped up and played. It was big Rob, Channing Wilson and Luke Combs sitting on the pew. They called themselves the 300 Pounders club. And they got up there and played. She got the best of me. And that was my first revival experience, I was like, holy shit, I'm in the right place. I remember getting home to my apartment, spring Hill, and at, like, three in the morning after a late night at red Door and losers and all that stuff, and just being like, holy shit, I moved to the right place. The moments that were part of revival. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:06:52] Speaker A: Were just incredible, dude. [01:06:54] Speaker B: And I miss it, you know? [01:06:55] Speaker A: I do too. [01:06:56] Speaker B: And what's. What's weird is, like, dude, I, like, nothing ever changed between my love for, like, those people that we hung out with. It's just, again, like, especially with the artistry, you know, like, but it's like, dude, I was, you know, like, some of my best friends when we all moved to town. Like, yeah, like, Ben Chapman, Nate Frederick, Matt Daniel hanging out, Vinnie and Colin and, you know, Gabe Lee at the rounds, and nothing's ever changed, you know, like, dude, I'm still as big of a fan, if not a bigger fan now. And, like, yeah, yeah, I just found out I got a cut with Tyler Halverson from a song we wrote in 20, I think, 21, you know, and it's like, dude, I'm a huge fan. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Of what he had just moved from Tyler David to Tyler Halverson. A lot of people don't know that. Tyler David Washington, the. The kid that was going to go into Belmont, then he came out as Tyler Halverson and just fucking. [01:07:46] Speaker B: I love. I'm a huge fan. I listen to his music and knowing him, you know, when he text and was like, hey, like, I cut this song, which I can't. It's a duet. But, like, I was fired up because I'm a fan. I'm still a fan of Ben Chapman, dude. Like, when I'm driving down the road, like, I'm listening to Ben and Meg stuff, and, like, nothing ever changed there. I think, you know, a lot of that, honestly, like, the breaking up of revival, for one, but also just like, the artistry when they're phenomenal, incredible songwriters, too. But, like, when mine became, oh, I got to be songwriter, songwriter. And, like, yeah, I felt like that was kind of the end of revival was kind of like the close proximity that we all had to each other. You know, you'd see each other every Tuesday night, at least, you know, I'm crashing on a couch four times a night I week, you know, hanging out at neighbors, dude, I got nothing. Like, I freaking love their craft and their artistry. Like, all of them are so brilliant, you know, themselves. But it's been really fun to watch, you know, even, like, you know, the Opry debuts and things like that. It's, like, crazy. Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, when we first moved to town, it was like. [01:08:54] Speaker A: We got to see that. I remember. I remember. I don't tell the story too often, but my first, like, raised rowdy experience, they did a takeover of whiskey jam in 2018, and they had. It was like, Farron, Hannah Dasher, Ashlyn Kraft, Ryan Nelson, of course, played it. And I remember being in there, and I remember seeing, like, Nick and Sarah and the crew, like, across the room, and I remember being, like, intimidated. Like, holy shit, that's the raised rabbit, guys. And this is 2018. So this was years before Nick had moved to town. I had just moved. I didn't even have in the round yet. I was just bouncing on Broadway looking for a job in radio. And now to be, like, full circle, to be putting on events at winners and losers, Nick's business partner in this thing, and it's like. But that time in town was so cool because that was, like, right as Hardy was blowing up, that was when Laney was still playing rounds. That was when. That was before the tick tock thing. That was when I. Combs was really starting to come into his own, when Morgan had just started really coming. Like, the way I talk was. And whiskey glasses, that was the big one at that time, like, seeing that that time. And then Covid hits, and then from that point on, it's like we. We all kind of found ourselves. I know you were in the scene with revival, and I was popping over there when I could and going to whiskey jams when I could and everything. But now to see fast forward a few years, and it's like, people. People on their calendars are like, oh, shit, I got to write with Matt McKinney. Oh, shit. I'm playing around with. I'm playing a raised rowdy event, or I'm doing around with barrel. I'm doing around with Nikki T. And it's like I'm being on the consumer side, like, new to town and being like, holy shit. Like, I'm going all these events to network. Now people are coming to our events to network, or people are excited. You're. You were excited. I'm sure you still do get excited when you have certain guys and girls on your calendar. But for sure now people are like, oh, shit, I'm right with Matt. Oh, shit. I'm. I'm writing with Ella Langley. I'm writing with Trey Lewis. I'm writing with all. It's like, we've all kind of made it to a spot in town that we didn't think we would get to. [01:10:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Which is really fucking cool, dog. [01:10:59] Speaker B: It's a slow grind, but it is, man. [01:11:01] Speaker A: And it's like, we're still not at where we're going to end up. [01:11:04] Speaker B: Right? [01:11:04] Speaker A: You know, you and I are about to hit six years here. [01:11:07] Speaker B: Yeah, six years. [01:11:08] Speaker A: They call it a ten year town where six years, you've got a major pub deal with some. Some cuts, you've got a plaques and all this cool shit and gotten to do things that you would only dream of. Same with me, dude. You know, it's crazy. [01:11:19] Speaker B: I was on a. I was on a retreat with Carly Scott Collins a couple weeks ago. [01:11:25] Speaker A: I love Carly. [01:11:27] Speaker B: I was like, do you know. Do you know Nikki T and Matt Barron? She's like, oh, my God, I love those guys. And Carly, you know, KSC, bro. Household recognition for the razor outdy. [01:11:36] Speaker A: KSC is, like, one of my favorites. She's. And it's funny. Her band, Jake Flaw, who is their guitar player. We met Jake at Red Door after one of our events, and he had a hat that said, creed saved my life. [01:11:50] Speaker B: That's good. [01:11:50] Speaker A: Instantly, I hit it off with him, like, bro, here's my number. You ever need anything, like, he had just moved to town and he was looking for a gig. And then Carly Scott Collins. I filled in for ward hosting whiskey jam one night, and Carly was there playing and her. And I hit it off there. She was like, hey, I'm looking for band people. I'm like, oh, fuck. I just met Jake last week. Let's do this. And now Jake's. And been, like, leader and, like, getting to do all that. Yeah, dude, she's great, man. She's. And again, she's somebody where it's like, it's starting to show, but she still is, like, figuring it out. So to get to go on a retreat with, like, an artist where you see the talent and they're still figuring it out, bro. Yeah, that's a great position to be in as a writer, as a veteran writer, like, you're at right now, man. [01:12:32] Speaker B: That'S a fun ways from a better. [01:12:35] Speaker A: I would say. I would say you're. You're there, bro. I would say you're. You're there. You've been. You've been writing songs for a long time, and. But to. But to get to work, what other artists are you kind of excited about? Like, young artists that you're gonna be in the room? Patrick Murphy's killing. I know he's been in town for a minute, and he's got a fun thing. And again, his moment hasn't really come yet either. [01:12:53] Speaker B: So many I'm almost afraid to list because I don't want to leave anybody out. [01:12:58] Speaker A: Dude, go for it, dude. [01:13:00] Speaker B: I'm loving Shane profit, bro. [01:13:03] Speaker A: Carly, obviously, shane is just the country ass motherhood. [01:13:07] Speaker B: We've written some of my favorite songs I've ever been a part of. [01:13:10] Speaker A: What a good hang. I first got to really hang out. [01:13:11] Speaker B: With him and keep one of my best friends. [01:13:13] Speaker A: We bonded over a crowned head cigar. He's like, man, this cigar is pretty good. I'm like, there's more of that came from Shane. Let's hang, bro. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Obviously heavy in the Cooper Allen camp recently, and, dude, he's just so himself, you know? Like, there's no way. Especially the way he sells tickets. It's like, there's no way any radio programmer across America isn't looking at him and being like, he's going to be a big radio act one day. You know, just talented, knows who he is, knows what he wants to say, still knows how to have fun, but, like, a phenomenal writer. He comes in every single right with like, I'm really passionate about this, and, you know, we turn it into something. And I've done a few retreats with him. Dude, there's so many. Bryce Leatherwood. [01:13:55] Speaker A: Bryce Leatherwood. [01:13:56] Speaker B: Big fan. [01:13:57] Speaker A: Love Bryce. [01:13:57] Speaker B: Known him since he was 14 years old. 15 years old, Statesboro, Georgia. [01:14:02] Speaker A: He was a Georgia Southern kidde. [01:14:04] Speaker B: He was a. He was one. I was his youth group leader. You were his small town. Yeah. [01:14:09] Speaker A: No way. I didn't know you guys went back that far. [01:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. And I was like, walking up to Sony one day, and Tom's like, I got someone I want you to meet. And I walk in, my real last name's Scott. I just go by McKinney, my middle name. And I was like, hey, man, Matt McKinney. He said, matt Scott. And I kind of looked at him for a second, and I was like, oh, my gosh. The kid that won the voice was my. I was a small group leader at Woodstock City church. Like, that's crazy, man. There's just so many, obviously, like, still fired up. I mean, the Ella train. Yeah, Trey. [01:14:47] Speaker A: Yeah, Trey. Trey's got a lot of good shit. [01:14:49] Speaker B: Dalton Dover, Noah Hicks. Yeah. [01:14:52] Speaker A: Noah's got some cool stuff happening right now. [01:14:54] Speaker B: His shailen, that if I would have left her out, she would have, bro. [01:14:58] Speaker A: See Shailen some. I haven't met her yet, but I see you sharing her stuff all the time. I dig it. [01:15:02] Speaker B: She's a star. [01:15:03] Speaker A: Cool, man. [01:15:03] Speaker B: I really, really think she's a star. [01:15:05] Speaker A: Unique. It's different. [01:15:07] Speaker B: But she's somebody, like, started working with, you know, probably a year and a half year ago or so, and she's just become, like family. She freaking works her ass off. And obviously any songwriter loves an artist like that because you're always gonna have a chance to win. But great songwriter. Her performance is, like, next to none for female artists. Her vocal, yeah, just a grinder. Just signed her deal at big machine. And so obviously, no matter what my part is in her career, like, I'm just thankful to play a small part, but I just love seeing all those people win. I mean, there's too many to freaking name, probably, obviously. Patrick Murphy. [01:15:47] Speaker A: Your golf buddy. [01:15:48] Speaker B: Dude, he's my golf buddy. My drinking buddy. Just my freaking goof around buddy. But it is funny, like, you know, like, I feel like we've written some good songs, but it is more fun for me. Just like, call that a buddy, you know? Like, yeah, we always say, like, we don't write bad together, but we've never written anything that's blown either one of our minds. But, like, whenever I just want to, like, dick around and goof off, like, patrick's my call, like, you want to play some golf? Like, pool day? Whatever it is coming out of sink, we just become good buddies, you know? And, man, there's just so many artists. Hunter girl, obviously. Yeah, just there's Drake Milligan. Now that I'm listing him, I'm feeling bad for leaving people out, so I'm just going to stop the list there. [01:16:28] Speaker A: But, like, you know, drake puts on a show. Dude, we saw him at country concert up in Fort Laramie, which is our. We love all of our festivals and love all of our partners and stuff. Country concerts, kind of where raise rowdy started. It's cool now to see that lineup has a lot of, like, our people that we kind of came up with. Yeah, like, Ella played. That was Drake played the camper party. I think last year. He might have played it this year, but he was. He played last year and played this year. His show is so entertaining, bro, you talk about like a throwback. That's just entertaining. You get like some Elvis vibes, but get like, the Texas cowboy shit put together. He's just a showman. Yeah, he's a showman. He's a guy you want singing your songs. [01:17:10] Speaker B: A great, great songwriter, you know. [01:17:12] Speaker A: Seems like a nice guy, too. I haven't gotten hang with him personally. But seems like he's stand up, dude. [01:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, you know, you can go through, and I feel like, for the most part, through that list, but just in general, I mean, there are artists that will legit tell you, like, I'm not the best writer, you know, or I don't do this particularly well, but there are, like, especially on that list. Like, dude, there's nothing better for a songwriter than an artist who comes in, is like, this is what I want to say, or knows how to critique a lyric. And, like, I feel like all them. But, like, I was just saying that because, like, Drake's a phenomenal songwriter. I've written a bunch of two ways with him that I come out on the other side, and I'm just like, man. Like, he's just a great writer. Like, you know, there's a lot of people, like, that don't pan out and do become great writers. Like, you're talking about even, like, you know, Jordan Walker and, like, Adam Cragar, like, other artists that are going to be fine as songwriters. And, like, hope, drake's a freaking superstar, but, like, he's always gonna be a phenomenal writer, you know? And most of those people that, you know, I listen, obviously, I hope they all pop off and go make tons of money and just invite me to the barbecue, but unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way. But, you know, Ella's another one. Like, Ella's kind of got that, like, Miranda thing to her in a sense of, like, she's always gonna land cuts, like, when they're pitching songs that, you know, she's a part of. Like, she's still landing cuts. Like, she's obviously, we had five on the l. King thing together, but, like, crazy to say out loud, she's always gonna get cuts. Yeah, but she's just another great female writer, Carly. Great writer. Female writer, Shailen. So it's fun to watch, but it just makes, you know, makes it easier. [01:18:51] Speaker A: What's your favorite, was your top three favorite Trey Lewis songs you've gotten to be a part of that are either out or not out yet. I. Because you and Trey have been writing together for. That's, like, your. And a lot of people probably don't know the story of how you and Trey met. Shout out to Auburn, Alabama, and shout out to revival, bro. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Top three, man. Always. Do you? Because I know that's, like, him and Brooke song, too, but we kind of wrote that from, like, a real spot when I was going through, like, you know, a time of my life where I thought that was my story. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's a song that resonates with people. That's like, that's a. To write a wedding song like that where people. It's a moment of people's lives. [01:19:29] Speaker B: The reception was unreal, you know, to that. I didn't really expect to be that big. We wrote one, dude, it's not out yet, but God, it was without saying a word. We wrote it about without an instance. What a hell of a way to say goodbye without saying or it was at the Alabama. [01:19:52] Speaker A: Was that the Alabama t shirt? Yeah, that was the night. That was. Yeah. He trey washing playing that at rounds for a long time. I'm sure that one's gonna get out at some point then. [01:20:01] Speaker B: Uh, man, I don't know, uh, we've written so many. [01:20:04] Speaker A: I like two middle fingers. [01:20:05] Speaker B: Two middle fingers is cool. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Two middle fingers is funny. Just the story of you guys writing that kid rocks is just crazy. I remember trace still trying to get. [01:20:12] Speaker B: A feature on that. [01:20:13] Speaker A: I remember, yeah, I remember Trey sending that to me and being like, look what we. Look what mean skinny wrote at Bob's and I'm like, holy shit, this is great. [01:20:21] Speaker B: And then we wrote one back in the day, man. I don't know, for third sake, I'm just gonna say here, maybe here, here's about a drop. [01:20:36] Speaker A: Which is the next. Yeah, that's the next one coming or next Friday. [01:20:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that was actually just a really messed up day. I'll never forget, really. I was riding to the. Riding to the right and I called him. I was like, boys, like they got 65 blocked off. I don't know what's going on. And so I'm driving and I finally get up to where you can see there was a wreck and there was like two fire trucks and a policeman and like an ambulance. And just my luck, I kind of look over and there's a decapitated, wasteless body that had died in the wreck. And I looked over and saw it and dude, I just like that freeze, dude. Heck yeah. So like the first like hour of the right. I was just like, I'm sorry, like, I need to step outside for a second. I mean just seeing that. I know it sounds like. Oh yeah, you know we watch gory movies all. Dude, when you see a lifeless body, like. And just being like, oh my God, like. And thinking like, that could have been me if I was two minutes ahead. Yes, I wear my seatbelt. [01:21:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:38] Speaker B: And yeah, so I'll always remember the day we wrote that song. Cuz like for the first hour, I'm just sitting there like, what did I. There's no way. I actually just saw that. It's like I'm in therapy the next week. Like. All right, Nicole, I need you to hear me out on this. [01:21:53] Speaker A: All right, Nicole. [01:21:55] Speaker B: But, yeah, those are three of my favorite. I mean, there's probably so many that we haven't even. [01:22:00] Speaker A: Music, man, was an old one. [01:22:02] Speaker B: That's a good one. Yeah, yeah, that was a fun one. [01:22:05] Speaker A: That used to be in the live show. That was in the. The early Ddid tour. [01:22:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:09] Speaker A: Show. [01:22:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:10] Speaker A: And I've always been. I've always loved your. Like, I can hear a song and know that it's a Matt McKinney song by the amount of words that you fit in. Like, give a country boy a call, bro. Like, that one with the. The amount of words and, like, there's, like, a swagger. Like, I can tell you, up listening to not just country, not just worship stuff with your family background, but I can tell you, listen to some. Some outcast. Like, I can. I can hear the Georgia. Like, the. The melting pot of music that is Georgia and just music in general, but particularly, like, when we grew up in, like, the nineties and two thousands with the way that you. [01:22:46] Speaker B: You fit cooler than a polar bear's toenails. Oh, hey, there we go again, talking that shit. [01:22:51] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Outcast. [01:22:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:53] Speaker B: I was an outcast on the way out here. [01:22:55] Speaker A: Oh, really? Oh, yeah. [01:22:57] Speaker B: At aliens. But that's more of a phrasing thing than, you know, finding, you know, and in some ways, like, you know, some of my co writers hate it. They're like, we don't need that many words, you know? Like, that phrasing is a little too busy for me, but that is. Thank you for saying that. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Because it's like, you have, like, a stamp where I'm like, that's a McKinney song. [01:23:17] Speaker B: Oh, like, I like it. [01:23:18] Speaker A: Nikki T. And I say that all the time. Like, we can hear the McKinney in this, you know? And you hear that. You can feel that with. With, like, joy. Beth has it style. Like, Jordan Walker has a style. [01:23:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:28] Speaker A: Craig has a style. Like, when I hear Dalton Dover belting, I'm like, Adam, craig sang on this song, like, saying on this. Right. You know? [01:23:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:36] Speaker A: So what advice would you give your younger self that moves up here at 20, at 23, 24? [01:23:44] Speaker B: Dude, the biggest thing, you know? And I know people that just moved here, and they still do this like grown men, but it's so easy to just want to be and Ryan Nelson gave me the same conversation, the same talk when I was, like, three weeks in the town, four weeks into town. But it's like, it's so easy to want to be on that wave, you know? But it's more so, like, creating your own way, finding your own class, trusting in your own class, and doing it with your class. And, like, I moved to town, dude. It was just so much like, oh, yeah, I'm moving to town. And, like, I want to be in the room with Ray Fulcher or, you know, or whoever, just these Georgia guys that, like, you know, or John Langston. Like, people, like, I would go to, like, the Georgia Theater and watch. And the only reason I am where I am is because without even knowing it, just investing in the people around me who are in my class. And, like, you all get better together. And if you're fortunate, like, God, who would have thought? You know, like, I wrote with, like, vernon Brown, you know, came up playing drums with, like, brian, and when, you know, we ride came out. Yeah, it's like, bro, he's making hit money, you know, like, you just never know who's gonna pop. And that song popped, and he was in the right place at the right time. He invested where he was. Or, like, you know, even. Even, like, you know, some of the guys, like, who obviously had worked their ass off, but, like, you know, the rock and the hard place guys, like, boom. Like, you never know. Like, they invested where they were. And, like, you know, I was fortunate with, like, Trey and Ella and, you know, all these people, and, you know, Matt Daniel and Ben Chapman. And you just find your group, Tyler Halverson, and you write with them. And then it's funny now because it's like, you literally look around, it's like, oh, priscilla's playing the Opry tonight. Tyler Halveson sold out somewhere in Texas. Ella's playing for 64,000, opening for wall Morgan. And next thing you know, you just look around, you're like, where did all the years go? But, like, that would be my biggest advice to my younger self was stop being caught up in who's going wet and who's doing where and just putting the blinders on and just being like, all right, well, start brick by brick and just start laying the foundation. And then eventually, it did happen a lot quicker for, I think, a lot of us, but, yeah, that probably be my biggest advice. It's so easy to just be like, you know, or like, riders that haven't even moved to town, and they're like, oh, yeah, I got my first number one with blah. And it's like, dude, everybody's story is different. So, like, you know, there's another writer. I was talking to her the other day, and it's like, she had been writing here professionally for 22 years. Had her first number one. It's like, that might be her story, but she's enjoyed every single mile of it, you know? And someone might move to town and have five number ones and then never have another hit. Someone might have one hit, take a break, and then you just pop off in six years. So it's really just like, you can't really compare your. Your journey to anybody else's. And I think by doing that, you do yourself in your craft a disservice. Absolutely, dude. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. I agree with that hundred percent. Dude. I'm glad we got to do this. [01:26:46] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. [01:26:47] Speaker A: It's been a long time. Last time we did it was. Was 2020 when we were just. We were just hanging out, playing kickball, playing Madden trash in Ella and Trey's house in New Year's with all the stuff running everywhere and scrubbing and watching and hanging out, singing songs around a campfire and. Or around a little. Little fire pit. And now to see where everybody's at and all of us fully doing this professional. [01:27:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:27:13] Speaker A: Like, what we're all doing then. So I appreciate the hell out of you. [01:27:17] Speaker B: I'm pumped for you guys. Mandy been just as fun watching y'all build this thing, dude, it's. Thanks for having me. [01:27:22] Speaker A: It's crazy. Like, the watch. Watching what? Like, the people that come up to us now and are like, man, I watched this podcast, man. I saw you guys at this event, man. How do the amount of people we get wanting to play now where it used to be, we had to run around and look for people to play. Right now, we're just getting hit up, and it's. It's cool to be members in the community, you know, especially not being writers or musicians or artists. Like, for Nick and I to get to be a part of this, from being guys that just love to go into concerts. [01:27:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:47] Speaker A: And talking about it to people and putting our friends on people now to get to do this, what we're doing. And it's cool, dude. So we appreciate the hell out of you, man. [01:27:55] Speaker B: Love you guys. Thanks for having me. [01:27:57] Speaker A: We love you, too, dude. Y'all be sure to look up our man Matt McKinney. It's Matt McKinney writes right on Instagram. Instagram. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Look up our boy Matt McKinney. And be on the lookout. So here comes out with Trey, right? Yeah, here comes out. And then what are any others that are. That are coming? [01:28:12] Speaker B: We know of, dude, I find out a lot of times the week of. I'm sure I've got some. Yeah. [01:28:20] Speaker A: You follow on Instagram. [01:28:21] Speaker B: He'll be post everything. [01:28:22] Speaker A: He'll be posting about all the stuff on stories or on the post or. [01:28:25] Speaker B: On water in the well. Cody parks comes out. [01:28:27] Speaker A: Water in the well. Fuck, I love what they're doing, man. I love what the dirty south is doing right now, man. He is. He's cranking him and Johnny and boys, possum king, they're cranking it up. I love and Cody, you invite me every time you do the filthy Friday, the next one that I am in town, I promise I will be there and I'm going to be rocking the fuck out and it's going to be awesome. Whatever. Whatever venue it's at, we will be at the next filthy Friday. You know, if we're not out of town doing something, raise. Ready? We will be at the next filthy Friday because he always sends the text out, man, filthy Friday this week. Like, fuck, I'm in. I'm in Michigan. Fuck, I'm in. I'm in Pittsburgh. Or I'm in. I'm in Ohio or I'm somewhere, you know. But y'all be sure to look up our boy skinny Matt McKinney and shout out to our friends from Surfside. Vodka. You had the iced tea? It's Matt McKinney approved. He's very opinionated. He'll tell you if he doesn't like something, so he liked that. We're gonna send them home with this four pack of lemonade right here and send you home with some of them orca cups as well. And I know we owe you. We owe you one of those golf hats. They're at the. They're at the house. If you're not doing anything, you want to swing over there on the way back, we can catch you decked out. We got. We got like 30 different kinds of hats right now. And stock, like, our merchandise has just gone through the roof, which is wild. [01:29:40] Speaker B: So I'll make sure and pick some up. [01:29:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick some up. Shop dot razorouti.com and you get 15% off if you sign up for the mailing list to get the emails that Nikki T and I still don't send. So great mail list to be on because there's not a lot of mail going on. But anyway, I'll be sure. To look up our boy, Matt McKinney. You want to find out more about us, visit raised rowdy.com dot and, like, rate subscribe, tell your mom and them. And shout out to the Scott family. I know mom and dad are gonna be watching this. We love you. And shout out to the Cincinnati Reds. Not having the greatest year, but Ellie de la Cruz is so much fun to watch. I'm sure your dad's having a ball. You still get the text about the baseball stats? [01:30:13] Speaker B: Every day. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Every day. [01:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:15] Speaker A: What was today's. What was today's baseball stats shout out? What's your dad's first name again? [01:30:20] Speaker B: Brian. [01:30:20] Speaker A: Brian Scott is the baseball and Cyclopean, Wikipedia. And I wish he had. If we could. If I was doing, like, sports media and I could, like, bring on board sports podcasts, I'd have. I'd send your dad a microphone and a little thing to record it on. And he could do these every day because he is fantastic days. [01:30:39] Speaker B: Heck, I have to honor the general manager who, in a few short months, has acquired Luis Arias, Dylan Cease and Tanner Scott. Or in the other words, the two time reigning batting champion, plus the second pitcher in Padres history to throw a no hitter. Plus lefty 1.18 era. Turn out the lights. The men's party's over. The general manager of the year, 47 year old AJ Priller. That was today's baseball team. Wow. [01:31:02] Speaker A: There he is. The baseball takes are great. We love that. And I'll say it for you. Go Braves. Aaron will get mad if I don't say go Braves. I hope you guys can continue. Can, can do it. Philly's really fucking good this year. [01:31:14] Speaker B: I gotta win that wild card. [01:31:15] Speaker A: I know, I know. That's. That's where the Yankees. These are kind of at two. We're in a weird spot right now, but I'm hoping. I'm hoping it just keeps going. But anyway, thank you guys for watching. My man, Matt McKinney. I'm Matt Barrel. This has been outside the rap. I ain't never been the kind for stiff one place for too long I. [01:31:34] Speaker B: Ain'T never been the best at sin. [01:31:37] Speaker A: I love you to a girl I love only got a couple drinks on. [01:31:41] Speaker B: My sleeve they usually just make them. [01:31:45] Speaker A: Leave so if you know me, if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick bony maybe the drinking and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony.