Mason Horne

Speaker 1 00:00:13 What is going on? Everybody? Welcome back to another edition of the In the Round podcast. It's your boy Matt Peril hanging out in the luxurious DM Monday Studios here in the heart of Music Row, Nashville, Tennessee. Shout out to Teal and the Boys. Make sure you guys check out that podcast. We have a blast on there. All kinds of shit gets said. It's awesome. Well, on today's episode, episode 92, we've got probably our youngest guests that we've ever had. Um, actually I think sj, when we had her on, was only like 18 or 19, but we have our boy Mason Horn. He's got a brand new record coming out called Plow Boy Diaries. The kid's been doing a lot for a long time and he hasn't even moved here yet, which is really, really cool. He's been out doing shows. He's been really doing the damn thing. Speaker 1 00:00:55 And myself and sweet boy behind the camera. Shout out Matt McElwain ladies. He is single. Um, y'all be sure to check him out. We actually got to go over to the studio that he was recording at, uh, one of the tracks on there, haymaker that, uh, he wrote and is cutting with Mr. Heath Sanders. We got to go and watch that process happen. It was really fucking cool. So shout out to Mason and his team for letting us do that. But this episode is wild. We say all kinds of stuff. We really find out what Mason Horn is all about and, uh, it's cool now into the sponsors. Whale Tail Media. Shout out Gracie Whales, that whole crew Beezy. They're great, they're busy, and uh, they, we want to keep 'em busy, you know, so check out our friends at Whale Tail Media. Content, content, content. Speaker 1 00:01:36 Speaking of content, Mitch Wallace, the digital marketing agency, need help with your TikTok, your Instagram. Go check out our boy Mitch. He's dope. Take care of you. He takes care of us, takes care of a lot of our friends, so go check him out. Speaking of friends, our friends at Saxton Studios, Grady and the Boys, great product for a great price out there in Mount Julie, Tennessee. Been a part of all kinds of hits and songs that you've heard of and been a huge factor in the scene of developing artists and developing talent here in Nashville. So if you're looking first about to record, go check them out. We're gonna get into it now. Episode 92 with my boy Mason Horn. Be sure to check out his new record of Playboy Diaries. This is the In the Round podcast. So where, so where in South Carolina are you from? Speaker 2 00:02:21 I am from Pageland, Jefferson area, which is really like small map dot, but I was calling Columbia home for a while. Okay. And, uh, so Columbia's kind of like where I'm at right now. Speaker 1 00:02:34 Okay. Yeah. See, I, I like Columbia a lot, like Columbia. I've had a few, few good times that are being out in the road with, with, uh, with TL and the boys, and I know it's a, it's a spot. What's cool about growing up in South Carolina? Music is a big thing out there. Oh, you guys have have legends that have come out of there. People love the music scene and it's not one of, I mean, you'll have your fair share of bars that are, um, that play like the club music and do all that kind of thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but they, they really celebrate live music out there. Speaker 2 00:03:00 Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, from, you know, you go to the beach and you've got the beach music scene. We you got fucking Marshall Tucker, you know, Alabama made it big at the Bowery. Like, it's a, it's a big music spot. I feel like it's just right there in the, in the world where so much music kind of collides. Yeah. And it's a, Speaker 1 00:03:20 And not just country music. There's people that rock out there. There's, there's an urban music scene. There's all kinds of stuff. Yeah. There's a lot of rappers. Yeah. Dude in South Carolina. A lot of that stuff. I, I, Speaker 2 00:03:29 I've like, I grew up with a bunch of, a bunch of dudes that are so talented at rapping Man. And I love nothing more than to see 'em blow up and get big. But the rap scene is so competitive, bro. It's like so many people do it. Speaker 1 00:03:41 Yeah. It's different than different than the country scene. And, uh, for you, when, when did you start doing music? Because you're how old now? You're what? 1920. 20. You're 20. Yep. I just started Grow growing up, man. Cause I think I first met you when you were like 18. You had just come I Speaker 2 00:03:55 See, 17 or 18. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:03:57 Because it was when I first started doing the rounds at Live Oak, I think was when I think you and Trippy were, were in town and Speaker 2 00:04:03 You snuck me up Speaker 1 00:04:03 There, we snuck you up there. Trippy was like, let my man sing, let my boss sing a song. I thought he was your dad for a second <laugh>. I was like, man, who's this guy Trippy from Carolina? Bring this sun around in a bar, <laugh>. And he got up there and sang and uh, and it's, it's been cool to kind of watch you, you grow up and you're not even here in town yet. So what's your journey kind of been like with getting started and doing this music thing? Speaker 2 00:04:26 God, man, so, I mean, I played guitar my whole life, you know, and I sang in church and stuff and, you know, I gotta be 14. And I was like, man, I'm gonna write this. I'm gonna write a song about this girl. And it worked, dude. I got the girl and I was like, fuck it man. This shit works. So I started writing songs for women, man. And then I started getting my heart broke by those women. Yep. And I started writing sad songs about those women. <laugh>. I mean, man, it was, and you know, you write about life, bro. And but what you're saying, like you, I'm getting to what you're asking me. Um, what really got me started was posting that stuff on Instagram, man. And I had several pretty big people following me. Uh, um, one really stands out, man, Thomas Rhett hit me up when I was like 16. Speaker 2 00:05:11 He DMed me on Instagram. And when he did that, that kind of like changed my like, whole perception. I was like, man, like if this guy thinks what I'm putting out on a piece of paper is good, like, and he's where at where he's at. I need to take it serious because maybe I could be there one day, you know? Yeah. And uh, I just started writing every single day, man, I know this is gonna sound crazy. And I don't think I've really ever told, not a whole lot of people know this. You know, that's not Is this, Speaker 1 00:05:39 Is this your first podcast or have you done a couple before? Speaker 2 00:05:41 I did one yesterday. That was my first one. Really? Speaker 1 00:05:43 Which one? Speaker 2 00:05:44 Uh, something from West Tennessee is some kind of like a venue, mud, mud place. Speaker 1 00:05:51 Oh, mud bogs. Yeah. Hell yeah. We love us a good mud bog. Oh bro. Speaker 2 00:05:54 I went to the Redneck Rave last weekend and it lives up to the lives, up to the name man. Like drunk, 10,000 drunk rednecks in the woods on heavy equipment. Yes. Speaker 1 00:06:03 We've seen lots of, we've, I've seen lots of those being out, being out with Trey and being out with Musket Eye and Oh dude, I've seen all kinds of shit in the Mud parks. I don't think I've been, I don't think we've been the one in South Carolina. Have we met? I think we've done a lot in Georgia and Mississippi. I'm sure they have 'em out there. We've got Speaker 2 00:06:17 Two that are great. Speaker 1 00:06:19 Yeah. So what's this story? What's this exclusive info we've got? Speaker 2 00:06:22 Okay. Um, <laugh>, dude, so when that happened, bro, like, like I said, I don't really tell a whole lot of people this, but, and I'm not condoning anybody to make the same decisions I made. But dude, I hated school with a passion. I grew up on farm and I went to school, man, and I, I, like, I wouldn't go, like I, I started smoking weed and I just wouldn't go to school. I just didn't care. I, I don't know if it's just like where I was at in life. I had a rough, like rough childhood and shit. Yeah. But, uh, they made me go back, like they damn took a warrant out on me for truancy and I was gonna fucking go to, to kid jail. And I was like, oh man, maybe I need to slow my rules. So they told me, if you don't go to school, you're gonna go to jail. Speaker 2 00:07:03 So I told my mama, I was like, mama, if you want me to stay here, I was, I don't care if I go to jail. I was like, if you want me to be here, go get me. Go get me another, another decent guitar where I can really focus on writing my songs. And from then on out, man, I went to school every single day, but I didn't write my name on a piece of paper. I didn't do nothing in school. I just wrote songs all day long. Like a, like a job. Like I'd, I'd write, I wouldn't have a guitar or anything man, but I'd have song ideas and I'd write lyrics all day. And I'd go home and I'd know what, you know, I had in my head to play. You know, I could hear the chord progression in my head and I'd write like two songs a day and I'd post at least one to Instagram every day. And that's what started it, man, was just dedication. Speaker 1 00:07:48 Dedication. And you don't exactly have co-writers out there when you're that young doing that. Dude, Speaker 2 00:07:53 I was writing by myself every day. I didn't have anybody write with, I didn't even know like co-writing was a thing. Like <laugh>, I was like, I thought everybody on radio wrote that damn song. And like, I was 14, 15 year old kid. Like, I didn't know like Speaker 1 00:08:07 Were any of those early songs or those, any that are out there now? Speaker 2 00:08:11 Several man, like lonely piece I wrote when I was 16, Jager and Luck. I mean, good and Goodbye ringing the Drawer. Like all those songs were written in a, in a little outbuilding in the woods, man. Like that's where I, my stepdad put me a little shack out in the woods to go be by myself and play my guitar in. So I didn't aggravate my mama <laugh>. And those, that's where those songs came from man. And it came from real life shit, man. It came from real life shit. And Speaker 1 00:08:40 Yeah. Cause that's what's interesting about you too, man, is that you are so young doing this thing and you've, you've got songs that talk about older topics. Like you, you have a song that talks about having a wife, like have you been married? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:08:52 No, no. I mean, I was planning on being married, but, um, see what's crazy is I like to write, see, I'm not writing these songs 100%. You know, this is, it's poetic freedom. Yeah. And I have, I've heard so many stories coming up of just tragedy, you know, in relationship, whether it be, you know, my mom and my biological father or you know, my grandfather and his wife. You know, I've heard all these stories growing up. I'm like, I wanna put into music what that emotion that my grandpa told me. Like what, uh, what he felt like when he lost his wife. Like talking to me like, I'm his best friend. I wanna write that song for him even though he doesn't know it's about him. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's a preacher. He probably won't ever hear it. He's listened to a couple of 'em. But, uh, I write songs about, you know, situations that might not be about me per se, but I lift it way you're, Speaker 1 00:09:46 You're reporting on the world around you a thousand Speaker 2 00:09:48 Percent. And I think that's what good songwriters do you know what I mean? Like, in the, in the beginning, that's what I really loved was the songwriting. It wasn't even the artist thing. I didn't even know that was possible, you know? And uh, you know, I was thinking like, what if I wrote a song and like a big artist heard it and wanted to cut it? That's kind of where my head was as a kid. Like, this is where like, this is what could help me get started was maybe would maybe be writing a song and somebody hearing it. And then that progressed into, you know, people telling me to record the songs and put 'em out cuz they like the way I sang them and shit. And that's kind of where I'm at. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:10:26 Yeah. And you've had some, you have some songs that are, are outside cuts as well that you've put out, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or, or songs where you've been in the room with some big writers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what's it like being a kid and being in a room with fucking Randy Montana or being in a room with like, big boys like that? Like how did that all kind of come to me? Because that, that's, that's not something to be taken lightly. Like, oh no, that's, that's, that's some, some heavy hitters in town taking a chance on you as an artist putting out a, like them, those calendars are busy. They don't just write with with anybody. Like how did that all come to happen? Speaker 2 00:11:00 Well, man, so like I said, dude, songwriting was what initially I really, really loved. And excuse me. So I studied who would write these songs, you know, I'd Googled the songs I'd hear on radio and I'd be like, man, like these songs, like I love the lyrics. I Speaker 1 00:11:16 Love what was, what was the Randy Montana song that you were like on Right? With that guy? Speaker 2 00:11:19 Um, it's John party. Uh, I can't turn you down the I can't turn You. Dang. Yeah. I was like, God, like the way that song, like just you pick, you can picture every line in that song. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, that guy is amazing. Like, I wanna write with him. And I knew that he was like a, a person that I probably wouldn't get to write with. Yeah. And uh, he, you know, I got a really good team of people around me and I think they sent some of my stuff over to him and he was like, yeah, I wanna write with him. And we wrote Cold in California. Yeah. Together, which is Speaker 1 00:11:56 That whole favorite, that whole project is, um, like, um, the only thing about this town that change, like there's just songs that stick in stick in my damn head, you know? Yeah. Like not trying to sound like a damn fan girl here, but like, your shit, your shit, your shit slaps like, it, it's, thank you bro. It's good. And I'm excited to hear what's coming on this next project, which you're in the process of working on right now, bro. That's why you're here in town, right? Speaker 2 00:12:19 Yeah, man, it's, uh, it's gotten me emotional several times because dude, like, this is called the Plowboy Diaries, which I know is probably like, people are gonna hear that and be like, it's kind of fucking girly. But I got the idea, dude. I worked, like I said, I worked on a farm my whole life and I was Speaker 1 00:12:33 What kind, what were you guys farming? We Speaker 2 00:12:34 Were farming turkeys, like big Turkey barns and cows and hay. Speaker 1 00:12:39 Okay. That is the same thing, you know? Do you know, uh, SJ McDonald's? Speaker 2 00:12:42 I've Speaker 1 00:12:42 Heard the name. So she is a really good friend. She's like my little sister. She grew up in Virginia. Her family's been doing the same thing for the last a hundred something years. Yeah. So that's cool. I've been by that farm and those Turkey operations are no joke. Oh, you got a lot of birds to be doing that the right way. Speaker 2 00:12:56 Yeah, man. And when they're full grown, they're upwards of 50 pounds. And you know, if the thing, the thing about it is, dude, they'll get sick and like, I hate the way people make farmers out to be like on the internet or, you know, just farmer's Speaker 1 00:13:10 Own We this that, yeah. Speaker 2 00:13:11 Like these dumb ass. Some bitches like <laugh> hell, we, we might talk with a draw and stuff, but we gotta be a doctor. Like, we don't get any days off. And dude, but that's where the idea came from was dude walking through them Turkey barns and picking up them dead turkeys and working my ass off. And I was like a plowboy diary's. Like I, everything I've written is just like a story, like, it's like a diary, you know? Yeah. I was like, I want it to, I want, I want my first album to be called that because this, that's, I think that projects what I've done with my music. Perfect. Speaker 1 00:13:42 Yeah. And that's the, the authenticity is such a big thing too. Speaker 2 00:13:46 I don't, you know, that's one of those things that I never had to think about being authentic. I just, I guess I grew up so far in the sticks that like, when I came here it for the first time, it's such a big culture shock that everybody was like, he's the real deal. Like he's from, he's from the sticks. And I never really like, thought about being anybody different because what I did was working, you know what I mean? Like, people were really liking the songs that I was writing and stuff. And that's what I, that's what I've always wanted to do is just, you know, I wanna write songs, man, that somebody can hear. And it might not be the song that you just, the first one you th you throw on in a car with your buddies when you go to drink a beer. I want that song. I want you to turn me on when you going down a dirt road by yourself and you need that damn extra mph to get through. You know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of music I wanna make. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:14:42 You know what I mean? That's, that's important that those kind of songs are very important and a lot of folks have, a lot of folks have been there. And even if it's not a dirt road, like driving, driving back, like where I'm from in New York, there's plenty of times where I would throw on those, those early Brantley Gilbert records I would throw on like, um, and Mc Sweet Boy Back, there's a big, big BG fan as well. Uh, wow. Lord dude. Huge and all that. Huge. And it's, and it's like you listen to like the like modern day prodigal son and like I feel like he's talking about going to Milledgeville. I've been to Milledgeville, I've had interesting experiences in Milledgeville <laugh>, but um, like, like he paints the picture and puts you in his hometown, puts you in that map dot just ju just like what you're doing with your shit. You know? It puts people in that map dot That's not quite Columbia. You'll say it's Columbia cuz people don't know where the fuck you from. Well, that's where I from, Speaker 2 00:15:24 But well, right now, but I mean, but dude, where I'm from is like, you, you, it's just, dude, it's so small that we ain't got nothing to do. But we have dirt roads, bro. And I know this all sounds so fucking cliche. I know it does dude. But we got dirt roads and they sell us beer underage. And I'm sorry if I get anybody in trouble for that <laugh>, but you know, we didn't, we don't got, you know, we don't got an amusement park or Speaker 1 00:15:48 What's, what's, what's like the big, what's the grocery store out there? Speaker 2 00:15:51 We've got a food line. You got a food line? We got a food line and we got a IGA on the other side of town. What, Speaker 1 00:15:56 What the hell's an iga? Speaker 2 00:15:57 An iga. I don't even think they're around anymore. I think it's like the last one on the face of the planet. But like it's a little, imagine if Family Dollar was a grocery store. Oh shit. You know what? Family Dollar? Yes. Yeah. But Imagine Family Dollar being from the 1980s. That's what I she Speaker 1 00:16:16 Aged like how many kids, how many kids were in your high school? Speaker 2 00:16:20 I think my gra I have no idea dude. I like, I didn't, I didn't graduate, I dropped out. I mean, but <laugh>, um, probably like 400 all together. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Four or 500 maybe. It's, it's really small. Um, but we've got kids from two different towns going to, or three different towns going to one school. So Mount Cro and Jefferson Pageland, these page, Lynn's really the only true, true like town outta all of 'em. Like Jefferson's really tiny and Mount Crain's kinda like a community. And I live in Angeles, which is another, that's like these little communities of people and then they all send their kid to this world. Speaker 1 00:16:57 And is that where your family was from for generations? Like is that one of those kind of things? Born here. Lived here, die here. So, Speaker 2 00:17:03 So like my stepdad, he's fourth or fifth generation farmer in the same, same spot. And um, my mom, she's from Lancaster, which is like right down the road. And my, and my papa, like the other side of my biological side of the family is from uh, North Carolina. But I don't really associate myself with them other than my papa. Yeah, yeah, Speaker 1 00:17:29 Yeah. So Carolina born through and through. Oh, you're packing that. How do you, how do you pack, how do you pack a li Let's see, let's see. How does I got, how does the boy wonder? Pack a, pack a hammer? You Speaker 2 00:17:38 Know, you got, you got, sometimes you, you hit it with a, with a side. It just depends on how you pick up. You can, but you know, I always, damn just a, Speaker 1 00:17:46 A little quick smack the old face. See I never, I never got it. I mean these are pouches right here. But like, I was like, I do it like this, this dumb way. I still gets, I mean these are pouches so it don't matter, but like, oh, you're putting in a big boy. Let's see. That Speaker 2 00:17:58 Ain't too big, man. <laugh> Speaker 1 00:18:00 Put a good dip in. There you go. Speaker 2 00:18:02 I used to pack 'em. I used to pack Speaker 1 00:18:04 'em. What was, what was the first, what was the first can of Dip you ever bought or you ever had somebody else buy for you? Uh, Speaker 2 00:18:09 First candidate I ever had, I actually remember, um, seventh grade, hold on, lemme get near the microphone. <laugh> seventh grade. Shout out to Daon Dalton Hudson if you're watching this. Um, uh, my buddy Dalton Hudson, he had somebody that was older that could get it for him. And so I handed him like 40 bucks bro. And he brought me back like a just one roll of dip. But those, like, I forget how many cans were in the roll. It's Speaker 1 00:18:40 Usually five now, Speaker 2 00:18:41 Like five cans. And that those five cans lasted me seven months because like the first can that I went through took me like six months to get through. Cuz every time I put a dip in, I'd end up on the floor like, God, I will never do it again. Just don't make me feel this way. <laugh>, you know, just, just completely puking. And my mom started catching dip cans and catching me with dip, dipping my mouth. And she, Speaker 1 00:19:04 The worst is you leave the can in your back pocket and it goes in the washer and dryer. Speaker 2 00:19:08 Well I was lucky. So this is before she met my stepdad. So I'm living on Highway nine, which is still, we're still in the fucking sticks. But yeah, we're on the highway and my house is like 200 yards off the highway and uh, people would throw fucking, you know, litter in the litter in our yard. And so I'd pick up the trash out the yard in the morning time before I'd go to school. And so 99 times outta 10, like for the first year, she would catch dip. I'd be like, yeah mom. Somebody threw it out the window and like I found it and I just thought the can looked cool and she'd buy it. She probably didn't really buy it, but I kind of got away with it. And then, you know, I was like 15, 16 working my own job and she can't really, couldn't really tell me what to do. What Speaker 1 00:19:55 Was your job? Speaker 2 00:19:57 I was a floor man at an auction barn Speaker 1 00:19:59 Floor man. At an auction barn. Yeah man. So I actually use that line all the time because people try to haggle with me at the merch table when I'm, when we're out on tour and I say, Hey man, this ain't the co-op, this ain't the auction barn. I ain't moving cows and chickens cuz they're like, Hey man, can you do the shirt for 15? I'm like, no I can't. I it's a Speaker 2 00:20:15 Set price, Speaker 1 00:20:16 But it's, yeah, but it's, but it's just funny because Speaker 2 00:20:17 We have margins. We Speaker 1 00:20:18 Have to move. So what does the floor manager at an auction barn do? Are you just shoveling shit? Or like, what are Speaker 2 00:20:22 You doing? No, no. So we weren't really selling, we're selling wholesale products. We weren't really selling like cows and chickens and shit, you know, um, that that's, that's a, that was a different type of, that's a different type of auction. But this one was more like commodities. Like people would bring in really nice guns and shit in there. And it was really interesting to watch, you know, the, the business of it. And I gotta be an apprentice apprentice under an auction auctioneer, so I can auctioneer. But, um, Speaker 1 00:20:48 You can auctioneer, you can talk fast, you can do the talk fast thing. What what is, what is auction? What is fast? This is gonna sound really country with a lit. What does, what does an auctioneer sound like? You Speaker 2 00:20:57 If so, if I was gonna start off like selling that little flag right there. Yeah, yeah. Uh, you know, somebody would pick it up the floor man would like pick it up and he'd show it to everybody and the floor man's job is to call the bids. Like when somebody throws their hand up, they, you yell so the auctioneer knows to raise the bid. So you start off like, we got that flag right there. What we gonna start 'em off like five to bid? Everybody five. Everybody to go five, four. Everybody go three. Everybody go three ready? Go two to to bid. Two. Everybody to go a dollar. Here. Everybody go. One now two. Everybody to go three. Ready? Go three, but go four. And hell man. Speaker 1 00:21:27 What was the wildest thing you saw go in there? Huh? Speaker 2 00:21:30 Dude All Speaker 1 00:21:31 Kinds because South Cadillac you see a lot of shit. Like we see shit. Well, Speaker 2 00:21:34 We're historical bro. So like somebody's fucking great uncle is liable to have like a full on like confederate, like artillery set in his backyard that he found in the creek and Speaker 1 00:21:45 And was just in the creek. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:47 Like for real man, like so much cool historic stuff came through there. Like bolts off of original buildings in Charleston where the, uh, British blue cannonballs threw 'em. Like I had like the bolts where they would screw the building together. Like all kinds of crazy shit. Um hmm. The craziest thing, Speaker 1 00:22:09 Like where you were like what the fuck is that doing in our shop? Speaker 2 00:22:12 Oh God. <laugh> there's, there's a lot of boxes. Like you say you, there's a lot of people that, you know, they're, they'll go yard selling or something and they're just trying to get rid of this shit. Like they're, they're trying to make a quick flip. Yeah. Like they'll go yard selling, they're like, I'll take this to, to the auction and double my money. And so you get these boxes that are like, you don't know what's in 'em, you just gotta pour 'em out on the table and <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:22:36 They don't even know what's in 'em. Speaker 2 00:22:38 Countless vibrators. Countless vibrators. Dude. Speaker 1 00:22:40 Vibrators and dildos Speaker 2 00:22:42 For sure bro. Like rolling out on the floor in front of kids like, like Yeah man. Like I wish my original like auctioneer boss guy. He's like 70 years old, but he's so cool bro. Um, he's a moon shiner too. Ooh. Yeah dude, I don't know if we should put that in. No, there, Speaker 1 00:22:58 But we're cool talking. I don't give a fuck. We're good. Speaker 2 00:23:01 I didn't say his name so he didn't make a fuck. But he's just Speaker 1 00:23:03 Cool bud. Is is that shit still like a real thing? Cause I know back in the day during like prohibition that was a big thing. Oh, his Speaker 2 00:23:09 Biggest customer is the, like one of the deputy sheriffs. Speaker 1 00:23:12 Oh shit. So it's like small town, county line. Yeah. Like kind Speaker 2 00:23:15 Of shit you get caught in the wrong place. Like people this, it's one of those kind of towns where a lot of crazy stuff hap happens dude. Like Speaker 1 00:23:23 There's there's your inspiration for writing some songs though, like you said, like Speaker 2 00:23:27 I'm blessed to make it out of that. Like, because it's not, it's not a good place entirely either, man. Like there's a lot of, like, I lost last year, like I lost like three of my friends to getting killed like by a gun. Like just really? Yeah, just they're, they're in such a small environment where they don't know anything other than that and it's like, it's sad bro, because they don't think like, they've never been in Nashville and they don't have like a, a dream like mine that's like, they see it like what could happen. They don't have that like thing and so they all they know is like violence and drugs and Speaker 1 00:24:03 Yeah. Then that ain't a, that ain't a good way to live at all. So how old were you when you first came out here to Music City? Speaker 2 00:24:09 17. 17 I think. 17. Speaker 1 00:24:13 17. And where was like some of the first places you, you went, I'm guessing Trip he was with you around then? Yeah, Speaker 2 00:24:17 Dude. Um, so I had met this guy on Instagram. He dmd me and uh, he was like, I wanna like bring you out here. I think you're really good. Like shady, shady type thing. I'm not gonna mention any names or nothing, but, uh, I met Trippy around the same time and Trippy was like, I didn't know Trippy like from Adam, but Trippy was like, yeah, I'm going to Nashville around the same time. And where we like ended up connecting was I didn't wanna fly. Like I've never flew in an airplane. You still haven't. Still haven't. Okay. Speaker 1 00:24:48 Okay. That's funny cuz that's again, something you have in common with you and Sweet boy. Lots of similarities here. Sweet boy flew on an airplane for the first time about a month, two months ago and he's like, I can't wait to fly on an airplane again. He's so excited and so giddy about it, dude. I is it that you don't, is it that you don't want to, you've just never had the opportunity? Or what is it? Well, Speaker 2 00:25:06 I've had the opportunity once and I didn't wanna do it because I'm not afraid of heights. Okay. I'm afraid of things that I can't control. Okay. I'm not flying the fucking plane. I don't know this dude. Like, I'm not talking to him like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm entrusting this guy to bring me up 30,000 feet in the air and to get me. Speaker 1 00:25:28 So you'd rather drive though. How long is the drop? I'm sure you have it mastered now. Oh, Speaker 2 00:25:32 It's like, it's like eight hours altogether. Stopping and getting food and gas and everything. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:25:36 So that's not bad at all. Like mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 2 00:25:39 But that's where me and Trippy kind of met was he was like, I'm going to Nashville around the same time and I wanted to bring my girlfriend too. And he was like, you can bring your girlfriend and just like, stay with me. I'll come with you to meet the guy. Cause I was kind of worried I was, I was suspicious about the dude. Yeah. And he was like, I'll come with you so that it kind of looks like you have somebody with you that it doesn't, he wa he, he isn't just gonna plain out shit me like to my face. Yeah. But I met with, uh, first of all, I went to, went to Broadway, you know, watched the scene. Broadway, I was like, holy shit, this is incredible. And then Speaker 1 00:26:13 So much music in one place. So much energy in one spot. Speaker 2 00:26:16 Yeah. It's like you go from having one caution light to a whole Speaker 2 00:26:22 Like, street of nothing but music. And I'm like, holy cow. Like I want to live here. Like I don't, I don't wanna leave. And uh, what was crazy was I didn't realize like how big, like what I was doing at the time was like I met with Sony big, loud and like my first time ever coming to town. Yeah. And I didn't realize at that time what that was or what that meant. And I, I wish I kind of knew then, but No, I kind of don't because I soaked all that shit in and it was like, it like was like a drug. I was like hooked. I was like, I gotta do this for a rest of my life. Well, Speaker 1 00:27:01 Well it's kind of like being a kid in school and going on, going on a field trip to whatever, like to go and see what you're interested in or this or that. Like you learned, you, you got an education, you just got it through music and through through farming and being in a small town, you know? Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:27:16 <affirmative> a thousand percent man. And you know, I, I did good in school until I didn't give a shit, which was like 10th grade. And I mean, I told my, I had several teachers that hated my guts. Like they probably still to this day. Were Speaker 1 00:27:30 You, were you a little rambunctious shithead or No, Speaker 2 00:27:33 No. I was Speaker 1 00:27:34 Or were you pretty quiet? Were you pretty quiet in that I would Speaker 2 00:27:36 Get, so I was the type of person where I'd match their energy. Like if they were a dick to me, I'm gonna be a dick to them. Like yeah, I'm gonna, I know the kids in the class like I'm, I'm, I was the kid that like everybody liked. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I would sit in the back and just write my songs and not bother nobody. And the teachers always would, always would get pissed off cause I wouldn't do my work to send me outta class and they'd get tired of sending me out. Like, it was just one of those things. And a lot of, a lot of the teachers actually got interested in, in like what I was doing. And I had like two teachers that really stand out. One of 'em is Blackwell. She was, she's an English teacher and she, she writes books and so me writing, I think we had something in common and she would grade me, which she doesn't teach at this school anymore, but she would grade me. Speaker 2 00:28:21 So I had like a 99 average in her class from, she would grade me from the songs I would write. She was like, if you could write a song in my class and turn it in, I'll give you, I'll give you a hundred. And like, dude, she was awesome. And I had one teacher who was, this was a straight asshole to me, acted like he didn't believe in anything that I was doing. And then he, he talked to my sister. So my sister's a couple years younger than me. He was like, I want you to tell your brother, he's the vice principal now. He was a math teacher, now he's vice principal. But he was like, I want you to tell your brother I to his music every day. And he's like an inspiration to me. And I was like, holy shit. Like he was a douchebag to me for a reason. Like <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:29:02 Yeah. Dude, it all, it all kind of comes, comes that full circle. What's it like coming in town trying to do the music thing and being under 21? Because that's gotta be a pain in the nuts. God, Speaker 2 00:29:12 Dude, I don't get half the respect I feel like I deserve. Like, and I don't say that to be like cocky, you know what I mean? I feel like I, like there isn't many people, my, I don't know of many people my age that are, you know, people are like, my numbers are pretty damn big. Yeah. And all I ever get is shit for like, why are you writing about drinking? You don't know nothing about drinking. You can't even get in a bar. Like why not listen to the song and then judge it? Like if I don't sound like I, if I sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, explain that to me. Yeah. You know what I mean? But don't, don't not listen to the shit and be like, you look like a kid. You're, you're 20 years old, you don't know what you're talking about. Speaker 1 00:29:51 Don't, don't judge the book by its cover. It's absolutely, it's the classic cliche. Don't, don't judge the book by the cover. Open up and read the pages and you'll, you'll see what, what I'm doing here. Speaker 2 00:29:59 Absolutely man. And I'm thankful that, like, I'm thankful for my fans in general because if they're a fan of mine, that means they tore that page open and they took the time to listen to something and have common sense. Like, I love my fans because I feel like they, they have a open mind. You know, I'd rather, I'd rather not have a fan that's gonna judge somebody for the way they look then, you know, tearing back a few pages. Like the people who you know, love my shit do, I mean I'm just thankful for who I got. You know what I Speaker 1 00:30:28 Mean? Yeah. And gotta talk about a, another young collaborator of yours. Um, and probably the song, it looks like there's been streaming really like extra well for you. All of them are doing solid. Um, but how'd you get linked up with, uh, the, uh, the boy from, uh, I guess Gallatin, uh, Mr. Mr. Chase? How'd you and Chase get linked up? Speaker 2 00:30:46 I met Chase at Bus call in at 10 Roof. And I, to be honest with you, like I told Chase this too, but I didn't, I didn't know who Chase was at the time cuz I had like, I got tunnel vision man. I kind of just focus on my, my songwriting and stuff. Like I barely, you know, get on social media and stuff like that unless I'm watching Joe Rogan. And uh, he walked up to me, he was like, man, I love Take Me back and uh, this, that and the other. And he looked kind of familiar, you know? And I was like, thank you bro. I adapt him up and then he jumped on stage and I was like, let me check this dude out. And then he played County line and I'd heard that on TikTok Speaker 1 00:31:25 Did his thing. Yeah. And Speaker 2 00:31:26 I was like, holy shit. Like, this dude's badass, bro. Speaker 1 00:31:28 He's a performer, man. Cha Chase, he's Chase, chase Matthews who we're talking about here. Um, he, he is a damn performer. That kid. He Speaker 2 00:31:36 Has Speaker 1 00:31:36 The kid puts on a show, Speaker 2 00:31:37 He has the thing, like when he is on stage, bro, you wanna watch him. Like, he's very charismatic and he's super intelligent guy is super smart and hard worker. That's one thing that I like really noticed about Chase. Like when we went to go like rec, like when, whether it be from recording, like vocals, us doing like the the acoustic video shoot or like the, the music video, like it was, he wanted it to be right. It Speaker 1 00:32:05 Was business. Speaker 2 00:32:06 It was business man. And I respect that because we're both young, you know what I mean? And we're both in the limelight kind of, you know what I mean? Him a lot more than me. And to see somebody like him be so serious about what he's doing, it was inspiring to me. Speaker 1 00:32:22 And you guys both grew up in around where there's, there's shit going on in the small town. You know, like you guys have that kind of upbringing where what he's seeing in, in Cheatham or Rutherford or whatever County, county, he's, I know he's, he's involved, involved. Speaker 2 00:32:36 He does such a great job of illustrating that dude not only with music, I mean with the words in his music. Like the words in his music are phenomenal, but the feeling that you get hearing him sing the songs and the melodies are just like this dude. Like he knows how these situations feel like he can make a party song and it feels like a party song. But when he talks about like, like what county line comes on, like I should have known better. Like yeah, this dude knows what he's talking about. Speaker 1 00:33:04 Yeah. And it's something that so many folks and that's, that's I think a big reason that the small town folks are, are doing so well right now when it comes and, and we see it, we see it with, with TL as well and uh, with other people is right now it's like you think in those small, you think about like something like TikTok or something, throw back to Vine or YouTube and, and Instagram, all that stuff is free. You don't have to be watching the videos on cmt. You don't have to have this, this paint thing. You have to have a phone. But almost everybody has a phone or a tablet or something mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it's people in these small towns are, are consuming the music and are are hearing about like they're relat The only thing to change about this town is you like, that's, that's such a relatable song to folks from a small town guy or a girl gets their heart broken. Like this town's still the same, everybody's still out there doing their thing, but you're not here with me anymore. And said then with County Line, everybody's Speaker 2 00:33:56 Hungry for that, for that thing, man. That, that that thing, because I feel like sometimes, you know, music gets watered down because somebody does so well for so long that everybody wants to ride that coattail Yeah. Out until it goes. And I feel like people right now are hungry for that, uh, that next wave of people that are, you know, making great music and um, chase is perfect a perfect example of somebody that's killing it right now. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:34:24 So how did Cheap Shots come to be like, so you guys dap up at Tin Roof and then I'm guessing you guys exchange numbers or you guys are chatting on IG or something? Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:34:33 <affirmative>. Well, he gave me his number and he, we, we got it talking and he was like, I'd love to do a song with you. And I was like, hell yeah. Like I'd love to do a song with you. And I wrote cheap shots like two years ago with a good buddy of mine, shout out to Justin Anderson. Um, Hey, Speaker 1 00:34:47 I know, I know that name because I remember when he was, was Outshine. Speaker 2 00:34:52 Oh yeah bro, he's killer. Speaker 1 00:34:54 So quick little sidebar. So I, when I used to do my work up in New York and New Jersey doing radio Outshine used to come through quite a bit and play at a bar in Hoboken, New Jersey right across, so it's like Hoboken, New York City's right there, you can see the fucking Empire State building from the little tiny bar and Outshine came through. And that was when I first met Justin and, and what those guys were doing at the time, again, Carolina can like the the Carolina boys doing things so that, that's badass that you and him are connected too. Oh. Speaker 2 00:35:20 Oh dude. He's from the town over from mine. So we're from that same neck of the woods man. And uh, you know, he found me on social media, you know, we're from the same area and he's the one who really got me like playing shows. So dude, if it wasn't for Justin, Justin Anderson, man, huge shout out to him. I would not be nowhere where I'm at right now, man. He threw me in front of everybody that he knew and he was successful. Dude. Like his his voice is in in, in. Speaker 1 00:35:48 Yeah. You know, you know when Justin's singing, like you can hear his, hear his voice and you're like, that's Justin. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> immediately. So, so you and Justin write, write Cheap shots now. What's, where does that song come from? So Speaker 2 00:36:00 He had the idea and he brought it up to me like a couple times before and I like, I don't know if I didn't like it at first. And then we were sitting in person and he said it to me and I kind of heard him say it in person and it kind of clicked in my head. But he wanted to go more of a, like, I'm, you know, 30 year old guy. I've been through some shit. Like I know how it feels to have some cheap shots on my heart, so I'm gonna go to the bar and take some cheap shots. And I was like, there's an extra layer, layer to this song somewhere, like with the word cheap shots. Like, there's so many, you know. And, uh, I was like, dude, I wanna write it about you get your heart broke, you go to the bar, take some cheap shots, you see her and her new boyfriend walk in and you beat his ass. Speaker 1 00:36:43 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:36:44 Yeah. And then you go to jail, you get outta jail with your side chick and take some cheap shots with her. Like, I wanted it to be like the most ultimate fuck you story. Like Yeah. Like the kind of shit that like you, you only dream about, you know? And uh, he's like, yeah, that's cool, but how are we gonna write that? Like, that's a lot. And I sat over there in the corner for like 15 minutes and I kind of had like a rough draft of it and we went through and it was cheap shots and I didn't ever think I was gonna record it or put it out because it was like edgy. Like, I was like, there's no way I can pull this off. I'm saying, bitch, they're gonna be like this kid's saying bitch, like he's disrespectful. And Chase said he wanted to do a song with me and I was like, chase just did county line. He's whooping a, he's whooping a new boyfriend's ass. Like this is perfect. Like this is the song this is meant to be. And uh, we sent it over to him and his team and they loved it and we went in and got the job done. Man. Where'd Speaker 1 00:37:42 You guys shoot the video? Was that back home in Carolina or was that out here? Speaker 2 00:37:46 That was at Lexus's office on Dunum, uh, the uh, social club. The little red building on the left right there. Yeah, right there, dude. Yep. That place is Epic on the inside, man. Like it looks insane. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:38:00 You wouldn't expect that. I don't even think I've been in there. I've shot Speaker 2 00:38:02 Like three music videos in there. Really? Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 00:38:04 <affirmative>, no shit. Speaker 2 00:38:06 And fun fact too. Take me back the music video for that is where Ernest and was it Morgan Mullen wrote, uh, flower shops. Speaker 1 00:38:16 Oh really? Yeah. No shit Speaker 2 00:38:17 That, that uh, like prison cell looking thing. Yeah, yeah. That's right there where Ben Burgess lives. Lex owns that and uh, he let them go in there and write and they wrote flower shops and that's where we recorded the, uh, the take me back. No shit. Speaker 1 00:38:30 Yeah. That's cool. So some good juju going out in that room. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> take me back's another one where people are like, what's this kid talking about? Like what? Like being so young and talking about tougher subjects. Where did that one come from? Speaker 2 00:38:43 Man, I damn. Because look Speaker 1 00:38:44 Cuz the opening line, the Hey mama, like I'm, I'm locked up like that, that opening line draws you in like, oh shit, there's a story here. So Speaker 2 00:38:52 I hate to give away my like secrets and like be like, I'm just bullshitting all my music cuz that's totally not what it is. Yeah. It's poetic freedom. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I didn't really go to jail, but I was going through a breakup. I was like 18 years old and I got really, really drunk one night and did some shit and I got beat up by this really big dude. Like when I say big, I'm not talking about like big, like, he's like six foot eight, 300 pounds and not fat like muscle. Speaker 1 00:39:26 Paul Bungan, look at my Speaker 2 00:39:27 Fat, he hit me once and knocked me out for like 15 minutes. Geez. Mm. Well I wake up disoriented cuz I'm drunk, like blackout drunk. And then I got knocked out and then I wake up and I'm like out of it, well I walk all the way from my cousin's house, so it'd be like a seven, probably a seven mile walk in the cold to a gas station. And, uh, didn't have my phone, didn't have anything and I asked the lady in there, I was like, can I use your phone? I need to call my mom at four o'clock in the morning and they're dead asleep. Like they don't, they don't drink and stuff like that. And I was like, I hate to make this phone call like this feels like that jail call. And I called my mama and I was like, Hey mama, like I need you to come get me from the marathon. Like, I don't know what else to say, like it like I, this is, this is that one time that I need you. And I remember how terrible that felt because the next day I had to be in Nashville to like do a whole bunch of recording and stuff. Speaker 2 00:40:27 I was about to put out my first ep. Yeah. And so I think it kind of went to my head and uh, I remember how shitty I felt for like the next two weeks and then I went to go see that girl that I had broke up with and she like basically told me to kick rocks. Like she didn't want anything to do with me anymore. And I remember going home, it was like an hour and a half drive from Charlotte back to Columbia and just breaking down. And I just started saying all these words, dude, into my, uh, Speaker 1 00:40:58 Voice, voice memo. Voice Speaker 2 00:40:59 Memo, voice memo. And I wrote that whole song in like 15 minutes going down the road in my car. And I went home and I played it for my buddy, it was my roommate at the time. And he cried and I kind of knew that song was special because of that. Like, he cried about it and I was like, he doesn't even like country music. So the fact that he cried listening to that song was special. And then I was like, maybe it's just the first time I've played a song for him. Like I just wrote, he felt special. Then I played it for Lex and Lex was like, I love it. And then everybody who heard it loved it, but I didn't wanna put it out on that next dp. It would've been the cold in California. Only thing that ep like I didn't wanna put it out like the, I didn't wanna put take Me Back out. Like I thought it was too emotional and this that and the other. But we ended up putting it on there and then it blew the fuck up and I was like, this song, it's like special bro. And now it's my favorite one I've ever, I it Speaker 1 00:41:51 Yeah dude. As I've as I've always wondered what the story is behind that one cuz it's, it that's that's some deep shit. Speaker 2 00:41:59 I didn't realize what I was writing. Like it took the, the the, the reason why it's my favorite now is cuz like two months ago, man was the first time I ever really like, listened to it. Like I was down in the dumps man. It was like Thanksgiving. Yep. So it would've been about two months ago and I wasn't down in the dumps, I was away from home and it was like the first year without my family around me and I was like, man, this, this hurts. Speaker 1 00:42:24 And why, why weren't you around the family? Speaker 2 00:42:26 I don't really want to get into. Okay, I gotcha. It's some personal stuff that kind of happened man. And uh, I, that song just came on like randomly on my Spotify. Like, I wasn't even like, it wasn't playlist on my playlist or anything and it just came on and I just remember breaking down and I like, listened to every word that I wrote that I never paid attention to and I just broke down man. I was like, dude, this is really like my life. Like this is what I feel right now and my music's helping me. So I, I get so caught up in trying to write songs to help other people that I kind of don't listen to 'em to help myself. You know what I mean? Speaker 1 00:43:07 Yeah, no, I gotcha. Absolutely. So, so this new project Plowboy Diaries mm-hmm <affirmative>, what have, what have we got to look forward to on there? Like, cuz it's coming. Speaker 2 00:43:15 Oh dude. Too much to talk about, bro. Like, I feel like Speaker 1 00:43:20 How many, how many songs? Speaker 2 00:43:21 12. Speaker 1 00:43:22 Oh shit. Full, full length. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:43:24 Man. And these songs are all like, Speaker 1 00:43:26 And this is being put out as an independent Speaker 2 00:43:28 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> from what I know right now. Yeah. I can't really talk about all that Speaker 1 00:43:33 Stuff, but Yeah. Yeah. Oh Speaker 2 00:43:33 Yeah. From what I know right now. Yeah. Um, we got a lot of people that are talking and yeah, it's Nashville, but it's independent for right now, man. And this team man, Lex, Carrie, Randy, Alexa, trippy man. They, we all put everything into it. And not saying we haven't with every other project, but this one was like, we had 12. We've worked our ass off to have all these singles. Like we just wanted to have music just to be able to throw out and when labels talk to us, we'd be like, yeah, we've got this many singles, we're we're ready to go. Speaker 1 00:44:07 Yeah. It's like having a resume. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Speaker 2 00:44:10 And I looked at Lex and we kinda were at like, I was at a point where like my numbers, you know, I've got a lot of people listening to my stuff, but it kind of, you get a, you get in a rut in South Carolina where like you're playing these same spots and people kind of know they can listen to you every Friday or Saturday. And I was kind of like at a point where I was frustrated and that's when I talked to you last time, I think I had mentioned that. I was like, man, it's just like, it's a grind. And um, I forgot what I was, what I was getting at with that, but um, oh yeah, I was telling Lex, I was like, man, like I wanna move to town. Like I'm trying to get to town. And he was like, okay, well we need to come up with a plan. And I was like, I wanna drop, I wanna drop an album. He was like, let's fucking do it dude. Let's take all these singles and let's just make an album. And, uh, we did it dude. We took all the songs that we were planning on putting out as like singles or EP and Speaker 1 00:45:04 Is there a single one that you're most excited about? We were like, this one, this one could be a game changer. Speaker 2 00:45:11 God. Like, no. Speaker 1 00:45:15 Well, is there one on there though? Like where that really, really sticks out. Speaker 2 00:45:22 I love how Cowboys say goodbye. Like, I feel like that songs it's, it's, it's a, it's like a one of those timeless time type things. I love Who'd you, Speaker 1 00:45:32 Who'd you write that one with? Speaker 2 00:45:33 Matt Roy. Speaker 1 00:45:34 Oh, sick. Yeah Speaker 2 00:45:35 Man. And uh, he wrote Dunn with Chris Janssen. Speaker 1 00:45:38 Yeah. So Matt Roy, he's got that Speaker 2 00:45:39 Cowboy type. Speaker 1 00:45:40 Yeah. So funny thing about Matt Roy. So Matt, where Matt Roy grew up and where I grew up is about 30 minutes maybe apart from each other. And I didn't know him. I first met him that's, I first came to town, um, and I met him through another Carolina guy, uh, Taylor Phillips. Oh yeah. Uh, who's back in North Carolina now lived here in town for a bunch and has all kinds of, all kinds of hits out there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But at the time, Matt Roy was like the, the young kid living in town and I believe, I believe he went to Belmont. So he moved here young too. So that's cool to hear that you're writing with him because what you're going through right now mm-hmm. <affirmative> and be being the younger guy that can't get into all the bars and doing this at such a young age. I think he was doing that exact same thing. Rewind. Rewind. Like five, six. Yeah. He was seven years ago. Me and Speaker 2 00:46:23 Him were talking about that man. And it was crazy. Like what we had in common, being from two different totally bars be Speaker 1 00:46:28 From completely north, northern New Jersey and small town South Carolina could not be more different. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:46:33 <affirmative> and have so much in common. Like, that was crazy. I said, we immediately clicked and that song was just, Speaker 1 00:46:39 Yeah. Then you got one coming with um, what? Talk about, um, one of my favorite girls in town, Ms. Taylor, Austin die Oh Speaker 2 00:46:46 Lord. That talk Speaker 1 00:46:47 About, about Taylor cuz shes, she is the shit I love me some Taylor Austin die. Speaker 2 00:46:50 That girl right there, man. If, if any of y'all are watching and you don't know who Taylor Austin die is, you better look her up right now and follow her. Why You can. Cuz she is hell on wheels and, uh, I ain't got nothing but good things to say about her. Speaker 1 00:47:02 How'd you, how'd you and her get linked up? Speaker 2 00:47:05 So I was following her on TikTok, man. I heard her, uh, water Me down song. Yep. And I was like, dude, she's badass. And so I had this duet I had written with Lexi's wife, the, the song that, I don't know if you've, you've heard it yet or not, but, um, we, we wrote a song called, uh, tonight I Need You or I Need You. I'm not sure what we're going up calling it, but, um, we were looking for a female to do a duet with, and she was the first person to come to mind, like right off the bat. And we sent the song over to her and she loved it. And she came in, dude. And Lex is not the type of person to like, call you and be like, somebody did something great. And he called me while I'm going down the road on the way to my girlfriend's house. And, uh, he was like, dude, sh this girl can sing. Like, yeah, she killed these fucking vocals. I was like, I wanna hear 'em. And uh, she's, she's just awesome man. She's, she's awesome, bro. Like, you can, you can drink with her. And she jokes around. We, I played a show with her in Blythewood man. She's top tier. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:48:12 She's, she's one of one of my, one of my favorites to make sure you guys check out Taylor Austin die. Shout out. We love you Taylor. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. She's a, she's a bad bitch. She's a lot of fun. And she'll she'll if you, if you, you're over at Red Door here in Nashville and you have a chance to hang out and, and take a drink with Taylor Austin die or just chill with her. Do it. Take, take advantage of, of that opportunity and and enjoy using some Taylor Austin die. She'll make you laugh ass off too. She's funny. That's fucking Speaker 2 00:48:37 Hilarious dude. Imagine playing a show with her and see we both got fucked up. Like, so imagine that like we're playing a show together sitting like here to the other side of that couch and drinking a lot of lifters. Speaker 1 00:48:50 Well, she's from Kentucky. She can, she can, she can handle, she can hold her own. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 2 00:48:55 Well, she can, she can hold her own dude and she knows how to drink too. And she'll get you drunk. That's the thing. She'll be like, I'm not 21. You know what I mean? So I'm not supposed to be drinking in the first place, but they'll, you know, bring her liquor up there and she's just him that one man, him Speaker 1 00:49:07 That one <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:49:09 So I'm on the same level as her. And dude, by the end of the night, I don't even think we knew what we were singing. Like Yeah. Every, it's like one o'clock in the morning, everybody's gone. We're singing at like three people and they had to basically pull us off stage to be like, Hey, y'all are done. Y'all are drunk. You, you're missing like half the words like Speaker 1 00:49:25 Gets to that point in those, we, we Speaker 2 00:49:26 Were repeating the same songs like four times in a row like <laugh>. Yeah. We were, we were, we had a great time. Yeah. And yeah, once again, y'all get a chance. Look her up, dude. We got a song coming out and it's gonna be, yeah. Speaker 1 00:49:37 And then another collaborator on the album, um, Mr. Heath Sanders. Speaker 2 00:49:41 Goodness gracious man. Speaker 1 00:49:42 Talk about, talk about, talk about that old boy for a second because I, I love me some. Heath Sanders. And he's actually a part of a song that, um, he wrote with our buddy Dawson Edwards mm-hmm. <affirmative> that I believe, um, Justin Moore is gonna be putting out called Raised on Red, raised Speaker 2 00:49:56 On Red Brother. The, Speaker 1 00:49:57 That's, that's the one that's been in our friend group for a very long time. Red that's Don't Back. Yes. And I've, I've seen, I've seen Dawson Edwards sing that song first since I met him about two, two and a half years ago. And now to see it, see that come, but Heath, I've only met him once, seem like a really good dude. But you've obviously known him a little bit better than I do. Speaker 2 00:50:15 So I've been knowing Heath for like two or three years and, um, so Tripe owns a, he used to own a, uh, bar and so that's where I met Heath was Trippy, had Heath come out and play his, his bar. Well Heath threw up Pentecostal. So we immediately like, you know, the same thing with him. Like we've automatically got a bunch in common, you know, and then he's Heath dude, you hear him sing and you're like, like that's, that's coming outta like that that that's coming outta that redneck man. Right? That's Speaker 1 00:50:45 That's that's country music right there. Oh, to a t Speaker 2 00:50:48 Yeah bro. And then his songwriting is so real. So I immediately, bro, and I knew he like his music before I met him and meeting him made him become immediately like, I don't have heroes, but he's one of my heroes, man. Like, I look up to him in so many ways. Like, he came out to a show I had in Alabama, man, it was a shit show. The sound guy. Where Speaker 1 00:51:10 Was, where in Alabama was it? Speaker 2 00:51:12 I'm not gonna say where at? Speaker 1 00:51:13 Well, you could say what city, what town were you? I Speaker 2 00:51:16 Honestly don't know. I don't know. I don't know what city it was in, but it Speaker 1 00:51:20 Was, was it even a city or was it I was playing with Speaker 2 00:51:21 Cameron Marlow. I was playing a show with Camera Marlow. Okay. Yeah. And um, the sound guy they had for us. So Cameron Marlow had his own sound guy. Yeah, obviously. And then they had a sound guy for like the opening acts and he, like, he had us set in good when we were sound checking and then when we got on stage it was like, fuck Yeah. And so I was really upset because there was a lot of people out there and like, I was trying to explain to him, y'all, I'm sorry, like we're having a sound issue. And I got emotional because I had found out some bad news at the time. Yeah. And he was at that show. He went out of his way to come watch me and uh, he was talking to me, he was like, Hey man, like you're writing some songs that like, I've never heard somebody your age, you know, writing like you and the, if, if you're sitting here worried about the damn sound at some show in Alabama, like you, you're crazy. Like you got a lot bigger things to be sitting here emotional about. And he's just one of those guys that like, anytime I know I I need to talk about something serious. He's got my back man. And with him jumping on this song, we wrote the song together, you know, and uh, what's it called again? Haymaker. Haymaker. Speaker 1 00:52:32 I can guess off prior, um, knowing Heath and knowing you that Haymakers, it can go a few different ways with a title like that. Speaker 2 00:52:41 So it started off him and Casey had the idea of Haymakers Casey Speaker 2 00:52:47 PDay his guitars. Okay. Yeah. And um, they wanted to write a song called Haymakers and it'd be about Makers Mark and like talking to whiskey and that's genius too, you know, and we gotta writing into that. And I started reading the lyrics and I was drinking some beer and I had to take a piss and I started reading through them lyrics cause we were stuck on online. And I was reading through 'em and I was like, man, it really kind of like, sounds like you're talking to God. And I was like, Hey Maker, I could use little help. You know me better than I do myself. Like that was the original line for the Maker's Mark version. And I was like, dude, what if we write this song like you talking to God like he's your friend. And me and him both grew up Pentecostal and we're we're rebellious in their eyes because we're country singers. Speaker 2 00:53:34 So it's yeah. One of those subjects where like we can really relate to that, that aspect, talking to God. And I was scared to go in there and say I had that idea to do the song. Cause we were already halfway through with it and I walk in there and something told me, man, it was like, I was like, dude, I know it's gonna sound crazy, but I want to restart writing a song and call it Haymaker and make it about talking to God. And him and Casey and Heath looked at each other and they were like, yeah bro, that's, that's way more like powerful. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:54:08 And dude, we started writing that song and it just started thundering and Lightning out of Nowhere bro. And it was like, we started getting Goosebumps, man. And we got through with that song. It was late at night and we knew we had something special with that one. I didn't know that, you know, Heath would ever come and cut it or him cut it or I cut it or anything like that. Or him even singing on it or anything. And we wanted to put it on this album cuz we, we love it. And we sent it over to Heath and Heath was like, hell yeah, I'll do it. But you know, he signed a big machine and Scott Borchetta has gotta like look at it and listen to it. And so for like a week I was like, he's gonna shoot me the fuck down. Like Scott Borchetta is gonna say Kiss my ass <laugh>. And then they were like, yes, Scott Borchetta said he loves it. So I was like, let's fucking go Speaker 1 00:54:59 Baby. There we go. You got the, you got the green light. That's awesome man. So about Heath being the hero, who are some other, some other kind of heroes of yours? Who are some people you haven't had a chance to meet yet that you're like, I really appreciate and respect what that guy does. Speaker 2 00:55:11 I wanted to be Jason Aldeen for like, ever, I wanted to be Jason now. Dean <laugh>, um, love Jason Aldeen. Um, but like Eric Church man, like me being a, a songwriter and like, he's a Carolina boy. Like he's, he's, he's a hero for sure. And Keith Whitley, um, another huge one. There's too many to really list. Like Bob Seeger's another one. Like if you listen to my songs, I try to write like multiple stories into one big story and like Bob Seeger's where I got that from, man. Yeah. But there's too many to list. But those are like four really big ones. Tom Petty too. But those five are Speaker 1 00:55:52 Hell yeah. That's awesome. Um, what's a goal that you have for this year? Because you put out a shit ton of music in 2021, we know we got this album coming. What, what's, what's kind of your, your goal? What's something that Mason Horn hasn't done yet that, that he wants to do this year? Speaker 2 00:56:07 I wanna sell shit out like <laugh>. That, that, that's the main thing. Like, because like, I love writing songs. I don't really focus too much on the social media thing. Like I, it's good and like I respect the hell outta everybody who does it. But like, I try to write songs and focus on what I'm good at cuz I'm not good at like, making captions and taking pictures. I suck at that. So I leave that up to the people who are good at that. And I love playing live man. Like, so when I get out there, a goal of mine is to, when I play a show, man, I know I'm gonna have that place packed and they're gonna like scream those words. Back to you. What Speaker 1 00:56:39 Are some of your favorite places you've played at so far? Speaker 2 00:56:43 Blind Horse in Greenville. Yep. By far is my favorite spot. Dude, Speaker 1 00:56:47 Love me some Blind Horse. I've, I've got quite a few stories there we can talk about off the microphone. Oh Speaker 2 00:56:51 Dude. Yeah Speaker 1 00:56:52 Bro. Speaker 2 00:56:52 Like we, I opened up for Tracy Lawrence and my first time ever playing Blind Horse sold out. Like I'm standing and it's like a mosh pit in front of me and they're screaming. I get off stage, we leave cuz I had to be in Nashville, like we left for Nashville that night. We leave bro. It's all over the news. That, uh, blind Horse Saloon. There was a huge bar fight. Like Yeah. Speaker 1 00:57:14 I Speaker 2 00:57:14 Was like, holy Speaker 1 00:57:15 Shit. Yeah, there was, there was one night. I love the crew up Blind Horse and it's the same crew crew that so break, same crew that does, uh, coyote Joes out in Charlotte, North Carolina. Uh, they, they do a great job. Hospitality top notch. They're looking for great place to play. We love take care of Speaker 2 00:57:28 You with food. Speaker 1 00:57:28 Yeah. Every, everything, the whole nine yards, but similar kind of experience. My first time there when I was with um, I was with Muske Eye, Uhhuh <affirmative>, um, so this is December of 2019. Um, I'm doing my merchandise settlements, like all that stuff in the back office, pistol on the table and all the Carolina settlement. Yeah. You know, that's what I just call it. Y'all don't fuck around out there. I love Yeah, like love South Carolina. Open, open too. Yeah. I love South Carolina for that. But I remember hearing, um, I remember my, our tour manager Lee came up to me and was like, yo, we gotta go. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, we gotta, he's like, yeah, some, there was just shots outside like we're like, like two of our guys are hiding in the trailer right now. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, so blind. And then last time we wrote there with Trey, we had a really, we had a really good time out there. Oh dude, Speaker 2 00:58:07 There's, they're top notch. Like they take care of you when you, when you go in there, they're, they're, and then there's some, you know, there's a lot of places that treats you like shit. Yeah. So when you play in some place like that, I feel like that's one of the main reasons why I love that place so much. Speaker 1 00:58:20 Favorite place outside of the Carolinas because I know you've, I'm sure you've been in Charlotte, you've been in Raleigh, you've been Yeah. Been been to the shore, been all that favorite place you've been outside or have you not really been outside too much? Um, Speaker 2 00:58:31 My favorite place I've played outside is probably Mountain Home, Arkansas. Speaker 1 00:58:36 Really? That we're actually gonna be going there, uh, not too long from now. Speaker 2 00:58:39 That place is great, man. Speaker 1 00:58:41 What was the, what was the club? Was Speaker 2 00:58:42 It um, it was, it was actually like a little amphitheater type stage thing I was opening for Larry Fleet and, um, damn El Elvis Shane. I don't know why I couldn't think of his name. That's my boy. Oh yeah. But I, I was opening for LV and Larry and uh, that, that was, that was an amazing place. But we did like, we went through so many damn states that that trip, but uh, that place Mountain Home, Arkansas was is badass. Yeah. Where're Speaker 1 00:59:08 Where I think going to the, going to Oasis, I think is the name of the club out there that we're doing. It's a newer place. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but we've never been to Mountain Home. We've had good times in Arkansas, so we love Arkansas. But, um, but yeah. That's cool to hear Mountain Home. Um, where's the place you haven't gotten to play yet that you think you can do this year? I know with the opening slot thing, you kind of just take 'em as they come and you don't really know. Speaker 2 00:59:31 Yeah, yeah. I mean, so you kind of like get lost in because like, now from opening, like opening, so a lot of, if a lot of y'all, if you don't know, like, well I'm sure people do know if you go out to a show, you got your opener and then you have your main act and opening's a big deal. Like, like I think people take a lot away from people who are openers. Like that's still a, a big thing. Speaker 1 00:59:50 Yeah. Especially when you're get, when you're really getting started as far as spreading outside the Carolinas right now. So I Speaker 2 00:59:55 Wanted to play Blind Horse really bad and I wanted to play, uh, coyote Joe's, like those were two. Like cuz they're both the two biggest things in the Carolinas that like I, somebody like me could play. Yeah. You know what I mean? And uh, so I gotta play both of those things packed out when I'm opening. And now, you know, in May I've got two headlining shows there, so it's Speaker 1 01:00:17 Really, yeah, let's go. That's a big deal, dude. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:00:19 I I'm not sure about Cody Joe's, but I know Blind Horse for sure, but I'm pretty sure Cody Joe's too. Yeah, I'm a hundred percent sure I'm playing. I'm That's Speaker 1 01:00:27 A, that's a big deal, man. Speaker 2 01:00:28 Yeah, dude. Like that, that to me was like a big goal. And so I don't really know now like where I can play that's not that, you know, you know. Speaker 1 01:00:38 Yeah, yeah. Well you'll you'll see as you get out there, the world's uh, the world, especially with country music, there's Oh yeah, there's a lot all over the country, over the world. Honestly, I Speaker 2 01:00:46 Wanna play hard. I mean, uh, what, what's it called? The Red Rocks? Like I'd love to play there like obviously, but Speaker 1 01:00:50 That's one day. Yeah. That's like down the way down the road. Yeah. Um, I'm gonna ask you some South Carolina questions. Um, you a Gamecocks guy or Clemson guy? Oh Speaker 2 01:00:59 Fuck the Gamecocks man. Tigers all the way. I've been a tiger since I was born. Like Clemson Tigers, man. If you're a Gamecock fan, sorry <laugh>. Speaker 1 01:01:09 Hell yeah. All right, cool. And that says a lot. I got Speaker 2 01:01:11 Love for Columbia now. I got love for Columbia. They love me in Columbia, but fuck game cock man. <laugh>, Speaker 1 01:01:18 I love, like when you pull into a random gas station in bum fuck South Carolina and there's just a hat that just says Cocks across it. And I was a little kid, I didn't know what that meant. I was like, what do you mean cock? And now I'm like, oh, it's a mascot. And wait Speaker 2 01:01:29 Till you hear two grown ass men, like completely just argue with each other and make no literal sense. Like, sound like two children over. Like that's how it is. Every bar you walk into, that's how big that rivalry is. Yeah. They hate each other. Like you go, if it's a, if it's, it's a little bit better. Like Clemson fans are a little bit nicer to the Carolina fans cuz we've had like national championships and shit. Speaker 1 01:01:51 Yeah. Speaker 2 01:01:51 Success. Like, we're not like we're playing Carolina like it's a, we're playing a high school team <laugh> type Speaker 1 01:01:56 Thing. Speaker 2 01:01:56 But when you go and we play at Williams, Bryce, they're like Speaker 1 01:02:00 Nasty. Speaker 2 01:02:00 They're very, very me. If you're wearing orange, they're gonna whoop your ass. Like Yeah. They're crazy about that shit there, dude. Speaker 1 01:02:06 Yeah. Um, how do you like your, uh, your boiled peanuts? I know boiled peanuts are a big thing in South Carolina. Are you not a big boiled peanuts guy? I Speaker 2 01:02:13 Like mine the right way. Like I want mine to be cooked. So you have like full on like furnaces, like they do, they do the shit in and they cook 'em to where they like, you like pinch 'em and peanut falls out. But you got all kinds of flavors, man. I'm more of a basic like just salted like early morning it's cold, you got you some coffee and I grew up around flea markets, like that's what southern thing, like people go to the flea market early in the morning, it's cold, so you get you some peanuts and some hot cocoa or coffee or whatever they got and chow down on that damn Cajun one's giving me heartburn. So Speaker 1 01:02:47 See I I still fuck with the Cajun ones I do Speaker 2 01:02:50 Too if I'm in the mood to feel like shit <laugh>, Speaker 1 01:02:52 You know what I mean? Speaker 2 01:02:53 Like, I'm like, it's worth it. I don't have anything to do with Speaker 1 01:02:55 What's the countrys thing you've ever eaten as far as like an animal? Speaker 2 01:02:59 Everybody's ate frog, frog legs. I mean not everybody. Um, Speaker 1 01:03:03 You ever eaten a squirrel? Speaker 2 01:03:04 Yeah, I've ate squirrel Speaker 1 01:03:06 Possum, Speaker 2 01:03:07 Not possum. I ate raccoon one time and didn't know that I was being fed raccoon. Speaker 1 01:03:11 How'd it come out? Was it like fried or was it in like a stew or like what? So Speaker 2 01:03:16 Barbecue is a big thing. Oh Speaker 1 01:03:17 Yeah. Barbecue's a Speaker 2 01:03:18 Huge thing. And there's this guy, man, he can cook the best barbecue you've ever put in your mouth. His name's brother Sweet. He's a big old preacher man about 300 pounds and he cooks the best damn barbecue you ever put in your mouth. Speaker 1 01:03:28 So he barbecued a raccoon Speaker 2 01:03:31 <laugh>. Well we get over there man, and he don't say nothing. He's just got plates and everybody loves his food. You know what I mean? Like, so nobody asks no damn questions, you know what I mean? Like, they just like brother sweet cook, we gonna get us some damn barbecue. Uh, got eating it and it was good dude. It tasted great. Like the way he had it prepared, he's good cook. Speaker 1 01:03:50 Was it pulled like pork or like what, what it Speaker 2 01:03:52 Fell off, I mean, yeah, it was like, it was a sandwich. It like a barbecue sandwich. Dude <laugh> and he, I'm eating it, got halfway through it and he looks and he's like, it's good, ain't it? I'm like, yeah. He's like, he's like, you wouldn't believe me if I told you that was raccoon would you <laugh>? And he wasn't looking at me like he was joking, like yeah, he was looking at me like he was being dead fucking serious and my stomach immediately just flipped bro. And I just ran outside and just hurled, bro. It was, that was one of them. Damn, that's too redneck. If you're that redneck, you, you redneck man, I ain't that redneck. I'm country as hell, but I ain't eating no raccoon. Speaker 1 01:04:33 What's the most redneck shit you've seen beside being unknowingly fed a raccoon by Speaker 2 01:04:38 Some things? I'll have to say off camera, but like, Speaker 1 01:04:40 Uh, what's one you can say I just redneck something you've seen because he Carolina to me is, is up there as far as the redneck scale of places I've been. Speaker 2 01:04:49 God man. Um, that's hard to say cuz I mean it's fucking red. I mean we, we live that way so I mean, I mean countless amount of people, just like I knew a old man who was like a hundred years old. This, I mean, this ain't the most redneck thing I've ever seen, but is the one that really stands out. Like we had a guy that like literally just drove around on a tractor. Like he didn't, he didn't damn have a car. He didn't have a truck. He was so old at like, he never drove a car or truck. He literally would drive to town five miles on a tractor, go get milk and bread and go back home. Yep. Mr. Crawford, I'll never forget him. He could predict the weather. Like he's an old farmer, so like he Speaker 1 01:05:31 Was the Farmer's Almanac. Yeah, Speaker 2 01:05:33 Man. Like this motherfucker could like tell you how if the summer was bad, this is how bad the winter's going be. Or like as Springs like this, this is how Summer's going to be like, and you listen to him and you think he's crazy and then that shit happens and you're like, well that motherfucker knew what he was talking about and he's got his shit ready to go though. Speaker 1 01:05:52 Yeah. <laugh>. Yep. Um, some of your favorite spots here in Nashville to hang out at? Speaker 2 01:05:57 I love Live Oak. Um, uh, I mean I love being around my team, man. I love, you know, being we, so we Lex lives in Wayland Jenning's old house. Yeah. So like that spots like, you can't get much better than Wayland Jenning's pad to just chill out at. So that spot's definitely the top spot. Um, but like Hangouts Speaker 1 01:06:19 Or even food, like Speaker 2 01:06:21 Food I love, damn God. What's the name of that barbecue spot? Speaker 1 01:06:27 Oh, Martins Jacks Leys. Speaker 2 01:06:31 I can't think of the damn spot. The name of the spot. You know Speaker 1 01:06:34 Where it's at? Speaker 2 01:06:36 Not really. I know it's in Midtown, I think, I think it's in Midtown Barbecue spot. Speaker 1 01:06:41 It's gotta be Martin's Jacks or Leys if I'm trying to think. But yeah, cause there's, there's some good, um, distillery is pretty good food too. Um, I Speaker 2 01:06:49 Love the uh, Hermitage Cafe too, man. Like when they, when they were open. Yeah. R Speaker 1 01:06:54 I p I had some good times Speaker 2 01:06:55 There just being terribly drunk and like rolling into Hermitage Speaker 1 01:07:01 Cash only baby Speaker 2 01:07:03 And having that old bald headed guy talk shit to you that was like Yeah, Speaker 1 01:07:05 The best. Oh yeah, they tripped you when you were in there. Oh Speaker 2 01:07:07 Yeah. And they did it and it was like a, just a, they didn't do it to be a dick if they didn't do it to you. They didn't like, they only fucked with the people. If you go in there multiple times is when they start fucking with you. Like Yeah. But yeah, that place was rest in peace, man. That was, that was my favorite like breakfast joint hangover spot, like all together like Yeah, me and Trippy. Were, we're nine times outta 10. We're not eating when we're up here. We're up here working and then like we get drunk and we're like, we're going to Hermitage and getting some gravy biscuits and knocking the fuck out. Speaker 1 01:07:37 <laugh>. There you go. Awesome man. Well, where can people go to, uh, go to find you on stuff? Another question I do ask real quick before we get into that is something that I'd, I'd say, what would you tell your younger self? But I feel like you're so fucking young, right? Like, you're doing this thing. So that's, that's a question we'll do. I mean, what would you tell your 14 year old self when you started this songwriting thing? Well Speaker 2 01:07:58 Man, I feel like my life's changed so much so fast too that like, if I'd known two years ago what I know now, I'd be ahead. But like the main thing I tell my younger self, I tell that 14, 14 year old kid not to take no shit off anybody and to believe in himself because man, like that dream that he had is very real. And like God put something in him and I'd make sure that he, that he know that because I, I never really got a whole lot of people to tell me that until I started being successful. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's what, that's the main thing I'd tell him. Hell yeah. Worked your ass off. Yeah. Speaker 1 01:08:36 And you're definitely doing that, man. I'm excited to. It's cool to see where you're at right now, where you've, where you've come and, and coming from, coming from small, that small little map.to, to where you're at now. And I'm excited to see what the future holds. Now work people go to find you on all the socials. I know you're not the social media guy, but where people go to find you we're Speaker 2 01:08:53 Pretty big on TikTok. I think we're almost at a hundred thousand. That one's Mason Horn music. Um, Mason Horn Official for Instagram. And then just look Mason Horn up on Facebook. Uh, YouTube. YouTube. Speaker 1 01:09:04 You got a website? Speaker 2 01:09:05 Yeah, I've got, uh, I've got a, uh, just Google Mason horn merch and it should Speaker 1 01:09:11 Merch is on there. And then your tour dates will be on there as well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> as you get out there and and the record. Do we know when it's coming out? Speaker 2 01:09:17 Um, Speaker 1 01:09:18 I know it's still early. Speaker 2 01:09:20 It'll been, it'll be the end of April. Speaker 1 01:09:21 End of April. Okay. So it Speaker 2 01:09:22 Should be the end of Speaker 1 01:09:23 April. So right around when this this episode comes out, we Speaker 2 01:09:27 Wanna, we wanna push for four 20. I'll say that. Okay. That's what we're that's what I'll let, I'm not supposed to say that, but I'll Speaker 1 01:09:34 Say it. One, one of my, one of my favorite days. <laugh>. Yeah, man. Speaker 2 01:09:36 We're pushing for four 20. Speaker 1 01:09:38 Hell yeah, man. Well, dude, you guys make sure you check out our boy Mason horn rate here. The, the boy wandering a way and he's growing up fast and, and kicking ass here in Nashville, Tennessee. And, uh, you guys make sure to check out, uh, plowboy Diaries. Uh, it, it's coming out here soon. Uh, really appreciate you guys for listening. Uh, make sure you like rates subscribe if you watched on YouTube. Thank you. Shout out to the sweet boy back there. Repping that in the round T-shirt. Um, like Mason says, you can get his merch Google Mason Horn. You can also get our merch. Just hit us up on Instagram or come on out. Tour a round at Live Oak. Shout out to the sponsors, whale Tale Media, Sackman Studios, and our boy Mitch Wallace at the Digital Marketing Agency. Thanks again for watching. I'm Matt Burrell. This is Mason Horne. Y'all have been watching or listening to the In the Round Podcast.