Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Come on.
This is Outside the Round with Matt.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: Burrill for Rage Rowdy Podcast.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: What's going on, guys? Welcome back to Outside the Round with me, Matt Brill. Today, a very special guest. He's a native of one of my favorite states in America. I call it my fourth home, the great state of Alabama.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Let's go.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Gadsden, baby. Man. Clever. How you doing, brother?
[00:00:33] Speaker B: I'm good. How are you? How are you?
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Doing well, man. Doing well.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: So fourth home.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: My fourth home because I. Because I lived in Jersey for a little bit. I'm from New York and then obviously Tennessee, but I've been all up and down. 65 and I 20 and I 59 through it. Gone through the mountains, gone through Fort Payne. I mean, it's just names that pop. We were talking about Arab earlier. Like, man, there's. There's something special about coming from a musical state like Alabama.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Yeah, man.
Yeah, dude. The music. Birmingham, Muscle Shoals, you know, the music's Rich Moby. You mentioned Mobile earlier. My wife's from Mobile, so very familiar. You know, just the culture and everything down there. It's cool, dude.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: So Alabama's a. It's a whole thing. I'm surprised you know it as well as you do, being from where. Yeah, you said you're from New York.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: From New York, yeah. I grew up about 30 minutes outside of New York City, so I never thought that I'd end up in the Gulf or in Alabama, Mississippi, those kind of places as much as I have, man. But like you said, it's just a rich musical history where it's. You grow up and it's just roll. It's Alabama footballs on Saturdays. And you remember the days before Saban, I'm sure.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: But everybody. It's just. It's religion down there. Saturdays you go to. You go to Tuscaloosa, you go to Auburn, and then Sundays you're watching nascar. But there's music just all around you at all times.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Facts.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: So how do you think that factored into what you ended up, what you've ended up doing for a career? Being a musician?
[00:01:55] Speaker B: It definitely played a role. You know, I actually, when I first started kind of going into a, you know, experimenting genre wise, I went to Fame Studios in Muscle Shoals to kind of get that feel, I think. And Atlanta Del Rey was like, in the next room, so I think. And people just come from miles to go into those kind of studios and feel. Feel that there's, like, there's something in the water, you know, in that part of Alabama, so I had to go get me some of it, too.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: I think that's awesome, dude. So. So you've been doing this for a while now, man. You come from. You come from. From Gadsden and just kind of talk about your journey, like, walk us through. Because I know you've. You've spent time out west, right?
[00:02:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So, you know, I started writing poetry, honestly, and then transitioned into music.
I used to do some rap battles and stuff like that.
You know, I think growing up, hip hop was just the. It was popular, you know what I mean? I think.
I think I've always been country at heart. Always been a country boy growing up, you know, I mean, but I think hip hop was cool, you know, When I was a kid, I started kind of dabbling with it. I was doing some freestyle battles and stuff like that, and it's been a long run. I was probably maybe 11 or so when I started first writing songs.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's been, you know, at this point, I've done a lot of writing for other people. I've done songs for Snoop Dogg and, like, corrupt and some OGs, like, out in California and. And then as far as, you know, Justin Bieber and some other people. I actually did a song with Justin Bieber and City Morgue in the same week. And I was like, man, that's. If that's not versatility, I don't know. I don't know what is. But yeah, dude, just, you know, my story, I guess.
Just keep. Just. Just keep at it, dude. You know, I mean, I keep. I'm like. I feel like sometimes I'm like the. An artist, favorite artist in a sense, you know, I mean, I've had a lot of, like, a real artist, you know what I mean, come at people come at me like, you know, wanting to collab or get some kind of.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: It's like a creative's creative.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: You know, man, it's just. You have that itch where creatives can recognize that and be like, oh, we want to do something, let's bring this guy.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Right? Just get some of the juice, you know?
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. What was it like from growing up in Gadsden to going out west and spending time in a. In a city like la, it's kind of bigger than the whole state.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: Right, right.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Had to be some culture shock initially.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: It was. Yeah. You know, you always think of. Of LA is this before you get there, of this, like, glamour and. And Hollywood. And then you get out there for a while and you realize it's Just dirty and it's like, you know what I mean? It's still beautiful, still very, very cool. But you know, just a lot of.
Honestly, I was shocked to see.
I wouldn't say Southern hospitality, but some nice people, you know, some cool like chill vibes. They're all smoking bud, so they're probably, they're good, but yeah, they're cool. Yeah, they're big, chilling. So. But you know, I fit right in with them, you know, going out there, it was cool. I mean, I felt like I've really made some, some noise quickly when I got there.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: What year did you get out there?
[00:05:08] Speaker B: I probably got there maybe 2011, 2012, somewhere in there.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: So there was a lot going on. I mean there's always a lot going out going on in LA. There has been for like 50 years now.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: But like in that time, yeah, it seems like a great time to be.
[00:05:22] Speaker B: It was back. Everybody was.
Justin Bieber was fixing to do like the EDM thing. So everybody, you went into a room, they were all doing like drop bass drops and stuff like that. Every room was like the same thing. It was very, what's the word?
I guess edm, like house music kind of stuff.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: That's when like Aichi was getting going.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: Justin Bieber started a wave there and then, you know, I started writing songs for David Foster and my personal manager at the, you know, prior to this was like cleaning David Foster's house.
I was like a housekeeper for him and would eventually work her way from that to scouting music, becoming a manager, and then would eventually put me in the room with David Foster to sing for him. And I would end up writing some songs for him.
He had me doing some stuff for this for a guy named Heim Saban that does owns like the Power Rangers and stuff. If you ever seen like the Saban hospitals in la.
And he was like a multi billionaire. He called me on the phone because he used to do music, like played bass in a band or something before he was a multi billionaire. But he.
I was translating a, an album for this Tel Aviv duo from Hebrew to English. And at the same time I'm writing songs for like corrupt and Mac 10 and like all these like, like OG smoking bud. I was on probation and I was on this like Be Real television show and they're like, I'm like a bridge to a joint, you know what I mean? Like, and I was like shout out to my probation officer to the camera as I'm like, you know, was so Snoop Dogg and all these people in the room and it was just a wild time, dude. And to. In full circle moment. David Foster's daughter is actually married to Simon Tickman at the core, and I'm now managed by the core, so it's in the same. And. And Leslie, my personal manager, shout out to Leslie, still with me as well. So it's been.
It's been a wild ride, dude. But LA was cool, you know, it's.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: We.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: We made some noise quick, started writing some songs for some people to kind of, you know, rub elbows and. And got our feet wet, hit the ground running. But now we're in Nashville, you know, trying to pave our way here and.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: Yeah, man. And it's funny I say I've said it a lot on here, like, over the past probably two or three years, that it seems like Nashville, we're having our. Our Sunset Strip moment.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: Right? Right.
[00:07:56] Speaker A: Like, you look back to, like, the 80s and 80s and 90s, when, like, the rock bands were doing their thing. It's like Nashville has that kind of energy where it's. Everybody across all genres is coming here, and it's just a creator's paradise right now.
[00:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah, it's super cool. It's great to see, especially walking up down Broadway. You hear all the different music coming from, like, this door, and then there's another window open over here. It's like you hear so much music just riding up down the street. You know what I mean? It's very cool. I remember the first time I came to Nashville. It was that it was. It's been a long time ago now, but I was just surprised at how much rock music was here, you know, it's like when Kid Rock was. I mean, I feel like when I got here, Kid Rock had taken over Broadway or something. It was like he was everywhere, and I had no idea. I was like, why? Kid Rock's huge here, you know, But. But then coming back, I realized it was. It become a thing, you know, to. That every artist had had their own bar and had their own. You know what I mean? Like, it was. But it's cool to see. It's just, you know, you hear a lot of talented. So many talented artists playing downtown. And the writers here are incredible, playing.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: Doubles and triples, bro. I got buddies that are Dr. Drummers and bass players and guitar players that'll play a triple, like, three or four days a week.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: That's crazy.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: Just make that money just playing for people.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I came out here and did sessions and would meet with people that were leaving, like, all right, I gotta get out of here at, you know, three, because I got another one I gotta go across town. And they would leave and go to a different session and write, you know, three songs that day. And I was just like, all right, do your thing. Of course I'm. When, you know, I come from, like, Juice wrld's world, where he was doing like eight, nine songs a day. You know, just sit in a living room at random Airbnbs.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Wherever. But, yeah, he was something to see.
[00:09:42] Speaker A: That's wild, man. And then you talk about having that love for hip hop and. And rap and come before you come from Yellow wolves from down there.
[00:09:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Like the Southern rap thing. And it's. As long as you've been doing it, it's like the south has been the king of hip hop with Atlanta and guys in Louisiana like, like Boozy Wayne.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Right?
[00:10:02] Speaker A: That whole world. So coming up in that country lifestyle, Gadsden's country as hell.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Damn right.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: But. But coming up, like you did, with all that going on around you, what was that like?
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Well, I mean, you know, Gadsden. Gadsden's wild. You've been there. It's like, you know, I thought it was funny. Beyonce and her album even mentioned, like, Gadsden, Alabama. Her dad's from Gadsden or something.
She actually performed at my high school when I was. When I was going there with Destiny's Child and one of my producers actually, she did like an interview on their radio show or something when I was a kid. But. But yeah, anyway, it's like Gadsden is small town, you know, it's.
There's not a lot to do. So you kind of. Your parking lot pimping, you know what I mean? Like, doing drugs to have fun for the most part, you know, if you're not in sports and stuff like that. Once you get out of high school, it's. Music was always something that. That inspired me and Gadsden. It was hard to get it there. You had to get out, you know, to really make something happen. But I love my city. I'm still there.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: So who was like the Southern rapper that influenced you to be like, I fuck with this hip hop stuff?
[00:11:13] Speaker B: So as far as. I was actually a Jay Z fan. So, yeah, I came up. I was like Limp Biscuit Corn kind of guy.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah, dude, that new metal.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah, new metal.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: There's something about the energy of Batman. I mean, I was born 95, so I'm a little younger than you are, so I. But I go back and watch those, like, those family values tour videos. W99 videos. Like, man, it would have been so cool to be an adult. Like, be. To remember the early 2000s. Like that when. When Fred and those guys were putting that one friend. Those guys dominating mtv, bro.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: I was there, bro.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: You were there?
[00:11:49] Speaker B: Watching. I was watching, yeah. In the moment, I was. I was, like, hooked to mtv. That's when MTV was mtv, trl and. Yeah, dude, it was so spring break.
Yeah, I did one of these.
I did, like, a BET freestyle, a couple freestyle battles on bet in 2006, and one of them was like a spring bling. It was like their spring break, you know, in Miami. It was kind of similar to the MTV spring break kind of gig, but.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Good times.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: So what leads to the transition to I want to release country songs and I want to dabble into this world? It's always been inside of you.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: Yeah, but I was raised on it. Yeah, I mean, I was raised on it. You know, growing up, I. I always wanted to play on the Grand Ole Opry stage, you know, regardless of the genre, but I was always country. Was raised on Vince Gill and, like, Travis Tritt and Randy. Travis, Garth Brooks, you know what I'm saying? And.
But also, you know, my dad was a big, like, Southern rock. Leonard Skynyrd. He loved.
He was a big Led Zeppelin fan also. Not necessarily Southern rock, but Allman Brothers, you know what I'm saying? Like, that kind of stuff. So I had a little bit of all of that, I think, influencing me at one point, and I think I was more. I've always been country. I mean, like, I have. I raised chickens. We have chickens in the. You know, in the backyard. I built a chicken coop a couple months ago out of pallets, you know, I mean, like, I'm as country as it gets. You know, we used to go to the cattle sales and stuff. I used to beg my granddad to take me. But I.
I think hip hop was cool, you know, when I was a teenager growing up. So I think that's just where I.
What initially, you know, I come off of the Corn Family Values tour straight into, like, a little Led Zeppelin. My mother was listening to the Gap Band. I was a big Eagles fan. It's always been a big mix. And then I started writing songs. I've done every genre at this point. I think I've. I've written Hebrew songs. You know, I've written opera songs and Christmas songs and, you know, I mean, you name it. So it's always been in me to just kind of. I Think I don't want to be limited, you know, as far as what genre I play with or what concept I do where. You know, a lot of times people want the same thing from you over and over and over again. Once you get that one song, yeah, it's like, I already did that song, so. But I think that I was always country and just kind of dabbled with hip hop because it was the popular thing and it would eventually come home.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: Yeah, man. So right now, the where music is at as a whole has to be perfect for a guy like you. Oh, anything goes. And these walls of where an artist is told and has to do a specific thing that's no more. An artist can be truly creative and go whatever direction he or she wants.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You can't. You can't put a. You can't even put a genre on it. When I was making hip hop music per se, I don't think it was. It's really not much different. You know, it's like.
And I think if you listen to a Morgan Wallen album now, it's a lot of 808 bass in there and that kind of stuff. So it's.
To me, it's, it's. It's. It's a good. It's a good look. I love that. That new Morgan album. So I thought it was dope. Yeah.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: 37 songs.
[00:15:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:10] Speaker A: It's crazy, man. Yeah. How has it been like seeing the music business from the longtime songwriter side to literally every genre in the world? It sounds like you've dabbled it.
[00:15:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: To now. To now. The way that Nashville does it and the way that it's done on the countryside.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: Nashville, man, the writing rooms in here are. Are crazy. It's like everybody's kind of dabbling a little bit in different genres and stuff like that here. The young, the youngsters don't tend to lean towards the traditional country sounds, which I think is interesting, which tells me that country's only gonna, you know, evolve even further as we go here. But it's good to see fresh faces. And it's like there's so many talented writers and I feel like everybody's pouring in here to write and then there's already. They call this like a 10 year town, you know, where it really takes some time to get your feet wet and. But you. I've. I've been blessed to get into some rooms and it's. It's really amazing to see, like, how, like I said, some of them are doing two or three songs a day. Like they're on it here, bro. They are really, like, cooking. I feel like I've heard there's, like 300 songs written every day or something in Nashville, and, I don't know, they burn most of them kind of thing, you know? And then Morgan Wallen's, like, hoarding all of the good ones or something like that. Every room you go into is like, oh, man, I love this song. And they're like, oh, yeah. Morgan Wallen's camp is sitting on that. We like, oh, okay.
[00:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's wild.
So talk about now getting your first, like, your. Your first country fulllength album coming out.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah, man.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Talk about Coyote a little bit. There's the songs that are out already from it. It's 11 new songs. So a lot of what you've been putting out since jumping into this country Journey is already on.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: I feel good about it, man. Like, you know, when I come up with the idea for Coyote, it was when I think of a coyote, I used to go spend the night with my grandparents out on their farm, you know, a handful of times when I was a kid. And then you could hear coyotes in the distance, you know, and at nighttime, and it would be this crazy, especially to a kid, it was like this crazy sound. And when I think of a coyote, I think of, like, this voice in the darkness almost. And when I think of my music, I think of the same thing. Almost like a voice in this, like, redemption type mode, you know what I mean? Kind of bent through some things, and, you know, I wasn't born like this, just been through some things and. And. And came out, you know, on the other side of it. So. But, you know, doing this, it felt good. It felt like a homecoming, in a sense, you know what I mean? Like, getting back to my roots, you know?
[00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, man. Talk about some of the. The trials and tribulations. I mean, when someone picks out. When someone goes home that we always joke about, like, Nashville folks going home for Thanksgiving and trying to explain to their extended family what they do, like, oh, he's a songwriter. All this. But, like, it's a. It's a tough road and a tough journey. So talk about some of the. Some of the crazy stuff, because now you're. You're married, you have two. Two amazing little kids. Like, life where it is now to where life was 20 something years ago.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Right.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: Wild.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: Looking back, it is. Yeah.
I'm very family. I'm a. I'm a dad first, you know what I mean? So, I mean, and I I still am climbing and trying to grind my way up. So, you know, it's a balance all the time. I mean for example, I Woke up at 4 o' clock this morning, drove here. I want to say it's a three and a half hour drive.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Yes, thank you for having me.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Appreciate you.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Empty stomach, you know, full tank, freaking two eyes, two bags, bro. You know what I mean? Like and got here and I'll be home probably about 2 o' clock and my daughter's got dance class at 2:30 so I gotta get home to get her to dance class at 2:30 and that's kind of my day is get here, do what I gotta do, you know what I mean? And then be there for my family. But that's me in a nutshell. Day in the life is every day just at it, trying to get this music thing off the ground and going home and being a dad and I think, you know, I bring my kids, I think they're cultured, you know, I mean they've been around the world and back. So you know, it's, it's a good. And it's a pros and cons of dragging them around, tours and stuff like that. But you know, it is what it is. Their dad's a music artist, so that's what they get.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: So take us back. You're 40 years old now. Take us back to when you were, when you were 30. 30 year old, living in LA for a few years, 2015, some of the stuff you had done and could you have imagined that you'd be in the place that you're in now?
[00:19:49] Speaker B: 20, let's see, 2015, I was, I was writing some songs, I was trying to make my way as a songwriter to, to network in a sense to make some noise and kind of meet some of the right people and would end up, you know, writing for some OGs. I wrote some stuff for like Snoop Dogg and Corrupt and Everlast, like Mac 10 and a bunch of like I was in the room, I was recording in this studio that was owned by DJ Muggs from Cypress Hill. And yes. So I'm, I'm. That's where I'm recording at, dude. Yeah, I did some stuff like the Alchemist and I was like very LA there for a minute that in 2015 for sure and. But just trying to make my way, you know. And I would end up getting in a bad deal that I would be stuck in for the next five years and I, I would never have pictured myself here. No, not in 10 years. I mean, you know, somewhere in the music business. Yeah.
Still trying to make it. Yeah, probably. You know what I'm saying? But sitting here on Raised Rowdy, you know what I'm saying? In Nashville, I don't know, not 10 years ago.
[00:20:55] Speaker A: And to have. To be the family man that you're able.
[00:20:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that too. Yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: To rewind, like, living that LA life to where it's go, go, go. And it's a fickle man.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Like, for sure.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: You get so many kids, so many writers, so many artists, so many people get stuck in bad deals and have to learn through hardship of thinking it was the right decision but not knowing.
[00:21:17] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Like, you've probably seen so many people get taken advantage of.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Well, and sometimes you're desperate to. To take whatever it is or not push back enough.
You know, to some people, they always say, don't take the first deal. They don't mean the first one that comes across the table. Just say no. You know what I mean? But to alter it some and to modify it some. And I think, you know, I've never been the one to shake my fist at the big labels, because I think what you put on paper is something that you can negotiate and you kind of build your own leverage. So they're gonna walk as slow as you walk and run as fast as you run. They're gonna pay you what you're worth, and you've got to build that worth. And that's. That should be the focus. But I think, you know, there was early stages where I was definitely desperate and willing to just say, screw it. Like, I don't even care. I didn't at the time. You know, I can cry about it five years later, but at the time, I was like, I don't care. Give me, you know, give me a couple bands here, a couple, you know, 10 bands here, 20 bands there.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: You don't realize the big R. You don't care.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: You just want to go, you know, you just want to go. Yeah. You just want to go. So.
But, you know, I don't feel bad for him. Like, you gotta learn.
[00:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah. That's just the way it is.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: That's how it is.
[00:22:27] Speaker A: Who were some of the folks that you. That kind of took you under their wing in your early music days of, like.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: I don't know if I ever had any. I still looking for them. No, I. I had some people. I mean, you know, Juice World, for one, heard my stuff and started posting my stuff on Instagram, basically saying, I need this guy on my album, and I want to say I gained 20,000, 30,000 Instagram followers, like, in the next couple of days. And he had just really started to take off, was just fixing to drop lucid dreams. And then I would go on tour with him and. And eventually sign with Post Malone. So I would say of. Of if anybody was to. Under their wing, so to speak, with maybe them too. But they were also just like good friends of mine that we hit it off. We're cut from the same cloth, you know what I mean?
[00:23:17] Speaker A: It seems like so. So much of music is just making cool shit with your friends.
[00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: Basically getting in a room with your boys and one of them's on a project. They bring you in on the project, you're on a project. Hey, I got some guys that might.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: Be good for this fact.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Like, so much of it is just relationships and being a good hang and being a good human.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: For sure. For sure. If you're a good hang and you get out there and do the hanging. Yeah. You know, it's funny, especially, like you said, it's kind of fickle too, though. So if you've got some clout, you'd be surprised at how many friends you'd have. You know what I mean? But, you know, I think you can't necessarily look at it like that. I mean, maybe I'm fickle, too, because, you know, do I really care? Am I just hanging out because it benefits me as well? But for the most part, you find out who your friends are. You know, I mean, I've got some friends in this business, you know, some acquaintances. There's people, I mean, like Struggle Jennings. I'll slap you over Struggle Jennings. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's my. Yeah, like, so. But.
But yeah, for the most part, I think the industry is fickle. You know what I'm saying? It's. It's a shame, but, you know, I'll get back up there and I'll be hanging out with them for the same fickle reasons, dude. You know what I mean? Like, so it is what it is. But you find out who your friends.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Are, you talk about a guy like Struggle, who's an OG Asheville guy and done it all, and talk about your relationship with. With a Nashville OG like him.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Struggle. Yeah. Struggle. So.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: Been through it all.
[00:24:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Facts. And you. Me and him have a lot in common, and he's like a brother to me now. But he.
I look this way, Avery. Sorry, I'm still looking over there.
Struggle. Struggle. Started listening to some of my stuff. He was. He kept telling Me like, dudes, you got to send me this on Instagram, you know, little clips and stuff. And we had a lot of mutual friends.
Me and Yellow Wolf, you mentioned earlier, didn't necessarily get along for a long time, and we're cool now, but coming from the same place, it was, like, really competitive, you know? And there was a long time when Struggle was signed to Yella that, you know, it was weird, I guess, if me and him was going to be friends, Doobie was in the same boat. But now we're all cool, you know? I mean, we just did a festival. Me, Struggle, Yella, the whole gang. So Doobie was there as well, and it was a good time. But Struggle, like, some of my stuff, he'd be like, bro, how did you. Why did you take that down? You gotta post this song. Like, it'd be like an unreleased song or something I took off of Instagram. And he'd be like, you gotta send me this. And finally he was like, I'm gonna get you to just come up here and write a song with me. Let's do one together. I need whatever that is that you're doing. And we got together. It was supposed to be his song. And as we're doing it, and when I got through doing my verse and the hook, it was his turn to kind add a verse to it. And I was like, bro, this has gotta. I gotta have this song. I gotta keep this. This is my song. And he was like, okay, yeah, you can keep this song, you know, but it was just, you know, me and him hit it off immediately. We were like long lost brothers. He actually bought me these rings.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: Oh, no way.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Yeah, this one says Clever on it. Do you see?
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah.
[00:26:18] Speaker B: And. And this one says Kansas, which is the name of our song.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: And he knows I'm into, like, turquoise and stuff like that. He actually gave it to me on his podcast, so I expect jewelry every time I come to an interview. But I'll take Hardee's. Whatever you got. You know, I'll take lemon. What is this? Vodka, iced tea. Vodka.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that. I got a bunch of hats. We'll work on this.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: Yeah, some hats. I can take a hat.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: Clever. We will, we will. We will get something.
[00:26:47] Speaker B: I need some.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: Tell me about Dale Murphy. Dale Murphy? Why? Why him?
[00:26:51] Speaker B: As a baseball player growing up. Dude. So when I was born, I was. I. I was born in Gadsden, but the first month of, we moved to Georgia, like when I was a month old. So I lived my first four or five Years in Georgia. When I first started playing T ball, I was like a huge Braves fan. I've been a Braves fan ever since.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: Great time to be a Braves fan. By the way, Those are early 90s team.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: Oh, right, Exactly.
[00:27:15] Speaker A: Sorry. As a Yankees fan, I know I'm so. Made the 90s a little bit tougher on you.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: So was, you know, I want to say 4, 5. I played for this T ball team, and we won, and we got a chance to go out on Turner. It wasn't Turner Field. It was Fulton County, Fulton County Stadium. Thank you. Wow. You know, you're baseball, you know, you're southern. That's crazy. This dude's from the south.
But yeah, it was Fulton County Stadium. And I've actually got, like, never before seen photos of Dale Murphy out in the outfield, bro. That my mom took. Yeah.
But anyway, I got to play on the field.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: We.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: After we won, we got to go out on Fulton county and kind of run around, hit the ball a few times, stuff like that. But as the champions of that league, along with other champions and stuff. But growing up, I mean, I was Dale Murphy, you know, I was also King Griffey Jr. A few times. You know what I mean? But that was kind of the basis of the story of the song was like, you know, you.
You can try to tell me who I am and put me down, but, like, you don't. You have no idea. Like, I used to be Dale Murphy, you know, out in my yard, just, like, hitting home runs. So, like, I'm a legend at heart kind of thing. And it's funny, Dale Murphy actually followed me on Instagram the other day, which was huge, and started posting the song and his story and stuff like that. He does, like, a lot of charity work and his foundation and stuff. Every time they're posting stories, they're using the song and stuff like that. I'm waiting for a Dale Murphy documentary now so I can hear my song. It's good. We got to have an intro, you.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: Know, have you gotten to meet him?
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Like, no, dude, no. And that would be so cool. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That would be crazy.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: That's so cool. Well, talking about crazy how I was back. That came out back in 2021.
[00:28:56] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: So talk about how different it was. Making Coyote versus Crazy now or fast forwarding four years, like in a whole time of when a kid would be in High School, 40 years. People change a lot.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, good point. You know, crazy. Crazy was a lot different. You know, it was in la. It was all these producers that, you know, big shot, you know, spending big budget republic.
We blew through a couple million dollars like it wasn't nothing.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Isn't that crazy how the business. Yeah, you can just fly through it, dog.
[00:29:32] Speaker B: Fly, bro. I mean, that album, you know, was like, big feature. This one, I've got Struggle on it. That's it. You know what I mean?
I've got some deluxe I'm working on with some cool features. I could put a bunch of collabs together and. And, you know what I mean, ride that wave. But back then it was like, I don't know, it was different. Juice had just passed. So the crazy album was kind of a dedication to him. It spells out, Juice WRLD is alive. On the. On the track list, there's a lot of hidden stuff. There's like, if you play it from front to finish, there's like a door sound effect in the front of it with the Nightmare Before Christmas, and it plays from one end to the other with the movie because Juice passed, like, right before Christmas. It was just like a different. I was in a completely different mindset, you know, had Post Malone and Lil Wayne on it and like Chris Brown and.
But this one, I wanted to be a little more intimate. I've got Struggle on it, as I said, like, you know, one of my.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Close friends fits the name Coyote. Yeah, like the Coyote wandering through that field on that farm in Alabama, right? Figuring it out in his journey. And he's got his one Coyote, homie.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: You know, I've got a few. I've done some features where that I'm excited about, that's going to come out on a possible deluxe that I'm working on. Could be some singles after. It could be a deluxe. I don't know yet, but just excited to do this album and get it underway. And I definitely had to put Struggle on that one.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: How does the feature world work? Because in your. In your past life, so to speak, when you were out in la, I feel like any big tracks got like. Like I've been in a. In a going back to DJ Khaled phase. When I've been at the gym and you. There's like six or seven dudes on.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: Like, all of his songs.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So how does that work as a. As a writer, as an artist? When you're either the featured artist or you're the. The artist releasing it with primary on it, like, how does that all kind of come together?
[00:31:33] Speaker B: So, like, if you're the primary artist, you've got to get it cleared. And then an artist may, you know, be in a release cycle or something like that. So you may have to wait, and it may have to make sense for them to release it at a certain time or that sort of thing. And then if you, you know, I've been blessed to have some homies that just wanted to work. We'll do some swaps or something like that, or.
Or you offer. If you've got a budget, you just be like, bro, I'll get you a bag if you'll come, you know, do this joint.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: It's like a bag versus points or something like that.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: Yeah, basically.
So. But a lot of times you'd rather give them points, I guess.
You know, I've had. I've been blessed to have some people that are just like. Like Timbaland, for instance, is always just like, let's do one. Like, I don't need any money up front. Let's just do something.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: I believe.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, me and Juice was homies. Me and Post was homies. It's like, you know, Justin Bieber. A lot of people reached out to me for a feature as well, so I kind of gave them the same thing. I'm like, you know, you don't want to risk losing a feature. So you're not going to be like, yeah, I'll do a feature with Justin Bieber, but you're going to charge him 10 grand. You know what I'm saying? Like. Or try to be difficult. You're almost just like, yeah, 0.2% on this Justin Bieber. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But no, I mean, you. It's a. It's a. It's a game of trying to figure out the elbow room. And. But most times, like, if you ride in Nashville and it's four writers sitting in a room, you're splitting it even, like, regardless of any. Anybody's contribution, sometimes, dude, you can be in a room with a guy that didn't do anything. I mean, like, he sat, he tried, he threw a couple ideas at the wall, and it didn't go. And didn't really do anything to contribute to the song, but yet still got the same percentage. So it's good to be a fly on the wall sometimes. You know, it's all about the hang. Yeah, you just got to be there, you know, as long as you're a good hang. Yeah, you're good.
You know, throw some ideas, throw some rebuttals out there. Like, man, I don't like that. You know, maybe this, you know, and then you're good, but it's usually split even. But it can be, it can be nerve wracking. I mean, especially trying to get production cleared. Everybody wants their money and wants their cut, you know, and you have to, you have to hurt people's feelings sometimes and, or tell them, like, look, bro, I'm independent here. I'm, you know, I ain't got that much money. So.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Yeah. With all the experience that you've had as a part of, you thought about long term one day being in the business on that side to make sure kids that came up, like, you don't get screwed over or offer that mentorship? Like, have you taken kids under your wing?
[00:34:02] Speaker B: I've definitely, you know, I've had people on my Tik Tok Live, Instagram Live that'll ask questions and I'm always quick to, to give them advice or even like in my messages on Instagram, like, but I'm usually trying to give advice to those that I can see myself in and I wouldn't be where I was.
Same for you without us digging for the information. You have to go grab it.
Yes. You have to go find it. And I mean, even like, the knowledge to do what we do, you know, to mix, to edit, to color correction, to cameras, to, you know what I mean, to working this whole thing. You have to dig.
So if, if I don't see you putting some sort of effort into learning the business or how it works or.
You know what I mean? Like, I'm uninspired. I'm not, I'm not trying to pluck, like drag people that are upset with me, like, I owe them something, you know, that haven't done a song in years, you know, that aren't even attempting to do music. And I have no desire to try to help them or even guide them if they can't do anything for themselves.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: You gotta want it.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't want it for you, dude. You know, I can't make it happen.
[00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah, bro, like, you wanted so much that you, you want it to the point where you want to go back to your roots and you've got to do stuff in the hip hop game and the pop game and the international song game.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: And you're like, I want to do a country record. So you figure it out and you go freaking do it.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: Right. Facts, you know, you can't just sit around. So, I mean, I'm quick to give advice. I don't necessarily. I couldn't see myself doing it as a profession, if anything, you know, as a songwriter, maybe As a record label, the guy screwing somebody over, I might be the guy that says, hey, sign this.
Let's see what happens.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: You know, talk about touring and coming up in the world that you came up with with doing shows and that battle rap life and everything, to now being in the country realm, still getting to do shows with. With your boys, like, it's a different show altogether. But going to a. Going to a country show and a country festival. Yeah, it's fun from when you were doing the. The stuff with Juice and with. With Bieber and like going out on the road and seeing it at that scale in that world, it's a different vibe.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: You know, I. I did Rolling Loud a few times with Juice and it's a totally different crowd.
[00:36:19] Speaker A: That festival looks crazy.
[00:36:20] Speaker B: It is, it is. And it's just, you know, a lot of drugs, a lot of energy. Oh, yeah, energy. You know, it's hip hop's just people bouncing and just like getting wild. And country can be a little laid back, a little cool. You know, at times it can also get rowdy. You see some of those, like Gavin at Cock throwing beers.
[00:36:36] Speaker A: We're going down to see him in a couple weeks.
But shows for a long time.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, but a lot of the shows I've done so far have been like writers rounds. It's like real chill.
Me and an acoustic guitar, kind of more of an intimate thing. We did like jelly rolls bar. I did like the whiskey and. And stuff like that. And. And it's been a lot of.
It's been a good vibe, dude. You know what I mean? It's a little more personal when you do a club like that as opposed to like, I went to the fest, I didn't do the festival. I got to see Sam Barber. It was incredible. And he's dope. Yeah, he's cool. My wife loves all these.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: All these young kids coming up too, man. Like, what do you make of that? Seeing these, seeing these young guns, particularly in country.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: Country, it's so good. I gotta mention Brandon Wisham. Have you heard Brandon?
[00:37:23] Speaker A: I know Brandon. Do you?
[00:37:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I always throw B Wish in there.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: Shout out to be Wish B Wish was on here not too long ago. We've known Brandon.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I always took Brandon Wish. B Wish is going to be huge. So if, if, if B Wish makes it and gets bigger than me, then I'll always have an opening spot. If I just keep saying his name on different interviews. No, I try to. He's a good kid. And when I When I met him, I just thought he was so talented, dude. He reminded me of Kid Laroi a lot. When I met Kid. When Kid was just. When just a kid, you know what I mean? And B Wish has got it. He's going to be that dude. But I. I'm. I'm here for, bro. I. I want to hear the new cats. I want to hear some new stuff. He adds something a little different to country music, so I'm excited.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: He does, man. I mean, your whole. The. The roster that you get to be on, which. I've known Chief for a long time. Chief's been. Been a. Been a homie, like an uncle figure for me for a few years now. And. And Simon and Tracy, the whole team over at the core, it's like the artists that are going on there right now, you know, from being out in la, like, it's good to be on a winning. A winning team for sure. Homies and creatives that are kind of having their moments.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: We're like cash money millionaires over here, dude. We're like.
We're like no Limit Records over there. No, yeah, it really is. It's. I mean, if you think about it, Bailey, Nate, Josh, it's like they just keep going crazy.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: You don't even know what genre to put him in.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Speaker A: Have you seen his live show yet?
[00:38:49] Speaker B: I've seen, like, clips of him, like, bouncing around and stuff.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Unbelievable.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: Yeah, just wild energy the whole time. Yeah, he's cool, dude. His stuff's cool.
Yeah, man. It's just like. Like I said, it feels like. Like you're part of, like, Cash Money Millionaire, you know, Wayne and Juicy, which.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: That doesn't always happen in country music either. Like, to have that culture in Nashville with the LA element that the guys like yourself and Simon and folks bring in chiefs. Just an OG going back the years he's been doing it.
It's a cool thing I'm sure, to be a part of.
[00:39:20] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Just to be accepted into the club was. Was killer for me. I remember, you know, we started looking through Nashville at different people and, you know, who. Who do we want to work with? We have some people interested. And. And when I saw Simon Tickman, I was like, oh, dude, I gotta get with Simon. Shout out to Simon. I don't know if he knows that story or not, but I kept telling my manager, Simon Tickman, and started blowing him up, and he heard a couple records and was in. So what? We've been together ever since.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:49] Speaker B: Shout out to the core.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: That's awesome. What do you hope. What do you hope people feel or get or think about when they're listening to Coyote? What's like the goal. The goal of the record for the listener?
[00:39:59] Speaker B: For me, it feels, you know, it's. It's kind of like.
It's like heartbreak. It, it. The vibe is like in an old Chevelle, like going through a desert at night time, kind of Americana marble cigarette. Yeah, that's kind of the vibe. So that's what I want you to feel it. You know, I just. I want you to take what you take from it. But you know, a lot of my heartbreak songs, they're just.
They're meant to do just that, you know, to break it all over again. So that's what. I want you to laugh and cry a little bit.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: Bit. Have you gotten to perform. Have you gotten to perform a lot of the tracks that are on the record live?
[00:40:37] Speaker B: No, I did Dale Murphy in Ohio about a week or two ago and it was funny. I had a guy that was doing some interviews, you know, people before they go on stage, kind of just hitting you. And he was like, are you gonna do Dale Murphy? Because he had already heard some of the clips. And I was like, yeah, I'm doing it. I'm doing it like third song in, so. But I think that's the only one so far that I've got to do.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: Are there any on the project that you're like, this will be cool to jam out to live. I can't wait to see the crowd. Or are you not as much?
[00:41:06] Speaker B: I'm a crooner, dude. My music can be real, like slow mid tempo, you know, you almost have to turn the lights off and play it from the piano on live, you know what I mean? But every now and then, you know, I turn up the bass a little bit and we get live. I need to focus some songs more towards like.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: There's something about the listening room style setting though, where you can go to a place like an Eddie's Attic or those type of venues where that crooner hits hard. People pay good money to go see that.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: I actually did Eddie's Attic. Oh, you did?
[00:41:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: Have you been there?
[00:41:38] Speaker A: I have.
[00:41:38] Speaker B: Okay, dope. Yeah. I opened for Josh Ross there and be Wish was there as well. Yeah.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: So yeah, it's a cool core.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: It's good to be at the core. Yeah.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean that, that's a cool room though, because it is.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: People hang on right there on top of you. You have to walk right through them to get to the stage. Like, there's no, like, back. I was, like, squeezing through. Sorry, Excuse me. You know, and as you're walking, as they're like, you're out, you're like, love me from the stage. And you had your. You're wiping. You're, like, rubbing against them on the way by. You know, knock their drink over and then go sing for him. No, but it was really cool. It's a great setting.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: Yeah, man, It's a cool spot. We'll have to get you on.
On some of our. Some of our events here in Nashville.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:42:21] Speaker A: We do about six of them a month.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: It's funny looking back, like, we were actually. It's funny, funny Bailey story. Bailey's first time playing in front of anybody ever was a Sunday night Raised Rowdy event. Acoustic baby Bailey. It was like 2020. It was 20 Zimmerman. It was early 2021. Like, January, February of 21. And Austin Shawn was playing guitar for him.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: That's how far back we go, man. I think we had even Nate Smith on the same one.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Let's go back in the day, dude.
[00:42:49] Speaker A: Love to get one of those real quick. As a. As a student of and a big fan of hip hop, who would your top five be?
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Oh, in hip hop.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Lord, I gotta put Jay up there.
Lil Wayne, of course, which I've done a song with, which is.
[00:43:04] Speaker A: Do you like the new Carter?
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Yes. You know, I haven't got to hear all of it. I heard a couple of.
[00:43:08] Speaker A: I have buddies where some are like, I really like this. And some are like, I'm sure I love the whole thing. It just ain't Carter 3. And I'm like, nothing's gonna be.
Why?
[00:43:17] Speaker B: This is not Carter 3.
No.
[00:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:20] Speaker B: You know, Wayne's Wayne, dude. Wayne's gonna do what Wayne does, and every album is going to be incredible. I haven't heard the whole thing. I'm. I'm. I'm the type. I'll listen to, like four or five songs, like on YouTube or something, on those full album videos, you know, and then I'm done. I'll go, you know, do something else. But Wayne's definitely up there. Jay Z's up there.
I guess you got to put Tupac up there. Biggie.
[00:43:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Those 90s guys. That's my favorite era is like the New York 90s seat. Even like the lyricist lounge stuff with, like, most deaf and like, those guys. That's again, like, I wish I was old enough.
The 90s in New York.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: I loved most de. Like, the old Dave Chappelle, Black star, that underground stuff.
I was even like music, Soul Child, like even that, like deep into the novel. But, you know, as far as like.
[00:44:14] Speaker A: Top five, I know that fifth one's the hardest.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: It is, you know, for me lyrically.
Oh, God, I don't know, dude.
Let's see. J. Wayne, Biggie, Pac.
I mean, Drake is like arguably, I don't know about. I mean, lyrically is dope, vocally's dope. Numbers wise, he's. He's a threat, dude. You know, I mean, he's kind of like Morgan Wallen numbers. You got to put him up there somewhere, I guess. Yeah.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: No, he's generational. Yeah, all five of those are generational.
[00:44:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:48] Speaker A: Facts of all of obvious. Do you like Big extra plug? Have you gotten hang with him?
[00:44:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't get to hang, no. No. I've heard his stuff though. He's dope.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: It's a cool. And he's another guy that's kind of dipping into that old genre where it's coming in the country, right?
[00:45:01] Speaker B: That's dope. Him, that Bailey record he did, that's insane.
[00:45:04] Speaker A: That Ella one. He spits that diabolical lyric. I hope you turn your heater on and it blows cold. We're just like you but I'm saying clean, sweet. Get this sucker on the radio.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: I heard you say the F bomb. I didn't know until now that we could cuss Otherwise I'd have been.
I could have all. All this whole time. I could have been this whole time.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: If somebody's going to Alabama, where's the.
[00:45:27] Speaker B: Place they have to go in Alabama? You gotta go to Gadsden. You got to go to Nakalula Falls in Gadsden. Like a 90 foot waterfall. Yeah, it's.
There's a statue there of the only. The only statue in the world of someone committing suicide. But it's. It's a Native American committing suicide off of the waterfall, which is the story. It's like a Pocahontas story, but it's named after her. And it's a 90 foot waterfall. You can swim at the bottom of it and you can walk all the way around it. And it's right across the street from my house. If you go there, holler at your boy.
[00:45:59] Speaker A: That's wild, man. Yeah, that's wild, brother. What's something that you would tell that. That kid that had just moved to la, knowing what you know now? What's something that you would tell yourself in 2011, 2012? Young, young kid out of Gadsden in LA.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: I would say eat it. El Coyote, for one.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: Eat it, El Coyote, yeah.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: Which is. Wow. Yeah, think about that. Eat El Coyote.
Go to Nashville.
Get out. Go to Nashville. No, I loved la. You know, I would tell them, get, you know, get it in. It's not about being in the right place at the right time. It's about being in the right place all the time. So go, get in it, get dirty. Go home, you know, take it home.
That's awesome.
Come and get it and figure it out. You know, LA's tough, dude. I mean, like, you know, my. My manager, one of my managers right now has a squatter in her house she can't even get out of, you know what I'm saying? And it's like fixing a loser home over it, you know what I mean? And it's just a different world out there, man. It's expensive. You spend all that money, never own anything.
You know what I mean? The laws are crazy.
[00:47:09] Speaker A: Yeah. It's easier to just live home with the wife and talk about how you met your wife real quick, too. Let's get the backstory on that.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: Funny enough, on Instagram, that's how my girlfriend. No, okay, let's go, bro.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Three years now. Let's go.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: Right, so she was a fan of my music and she posted a picture in a bikini and tagged me in it. And it was like, hey, Alexa, play at whois Clever, right? Which is my Instagram handle.
And I liked it. Didn't say anything to her, didn't flirt with her or nothing like that. But I started watching her stories, right? And a couple days go by and that tag was still in my notifications, you know what I mean? So I popped back over there and I watched her stories again. And finally she messages me and was like, are you just going to sit there and watch my stories? Like you're not going to say anything to me? And so I was like, yeah, what up? You know? And at the time, I was so, like, anti relationship, you know, love always got in the way of, you know, the dream kind of thing. Yeah, women will hold you back, you know? And so I was so, like, no, I don't want to. You know, I was in Atlanta or something. I flew her out, we got to talking for a while on the phone, and eventually I would fly her to Atlanta. Her whole family thought she was being catfished or something like that. Like it was a fake page.
She's from Mobile. Okay, so I'm from Alabama. Yeah, yeah, I'm from Gas. We're still like five, six hours away from each other, so. Or like five and a half somewhere in there. So, you know, it's like a mobile was still like a new world to me. You know, I live on a mountain where I'm from, so she lives in, like, this little flat. Yeah, it's so flat.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: Home with the real martyr.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. That's like the real home of Mardi Gras. Yeah.
So. But we go every year, by the way, to the Mobile Mardi Gras. Yeah, we do the. The Mobile Mystics Ball and all that stuff.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: That's great.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: Yeah. But.
But yeah, I flew her to Atlanta. That's why I met her the first time in the Atlanta. The Hartsville of Jackson Airport, and we started hanging out. I was doing sessions all weekend, so she was just sitting in the studio with me, and we just started hanging out and hit it off and been together ever since.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: That's awesome, man.
[00:49:27] Speaker B: Yeah. How did you. You met yours on Instagram.
[00:49:30] Speaker A: Yeah, she. I posted a funny story of Eli Manning doing something outside of a giant's tailgate, and she, like, reacted to it, and I was like, oh, who's this?
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Who's this girl that reacts? Hang out a little bit?
[00:49:41] Speaker A: And we've been dating for almost three.
[00:49:43] Speaker B: Years, so you obviously have the same sense of humor.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, dude. She actually did stand up for a little bit. She's open. She's open for Dusty Sleigh. She's got to do some stuff at Zany. She's. She's. She's awesome.
She has a beautiful little girl named Charlotte that's seven years old. So I've. I get. I've gotten them. I. I paid my dues of watching Bluey.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Here you go.
[00:50:04] Speaker A: Paw Patrol is good, dude. Bluey's like the best one because they're so blue. Yeah, you said that. Bedtime.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: Oh, but actually, well done too, though. Like, I can get into Bluey. Like, I'm not tripping if. If it goes a little longer.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Australian pbs.
There's some heavy topics in there. Dude. Bandit, come on.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: That's right, dude. Hey, you know your stuff.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I do, man. Watching Super Kitties now. She's into the YouTube and the Minecraft and she's watching the streamers play on YouTube. I'm like, damn, we gotta make her a Twitch account. I'm like, we gotta get her on Twitch.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: Yeah, something. Dude. Twitch. How old are.
[00:50:36] Speaker A: How old are your little ones?
[00:50:37] Speaker B: I've got 1 11. He, he. So I've got 1 11. 1 3. The 11 year old is already into that sort of thing as well. But I've got an 11 year old son. I, my. I call them angels. I don't have two kids. I have two angels. 11 year old and a 3 year old, which is. And boy and girl. So yeah, I get the best of both. And they're both like crazy about music. They've been, they're like, they've been studio rats since they were, you know, tiny tot. So they all love it. My oldest one, like when I did, you know, like Day in Vegas and some other like Lollapalooza and something like that. He was so shy. Didn't. Wouldn't want to dance. My little one, she wants to be out there on stage, bro. She is like so mad that I'm out there by myself, you know, or something like that. She's like, dude, my wife's like fighting her back to get out there. So what are their names? Lyric is my oldest in Salem is my youngest.
[00:51:26] Speaker A: Great names.
[00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So thank you. It's, you know, you got to make them rock star names, you know, so.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: That'S so gotta give it to them. So cool. What are you getting them at? Jax in the morning when you're swinging through Jax.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: What's your Jack's order? I'm gonna go full deep.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: Bam. I love biscuit gravy at Jax.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: Anyone you go to?
[00:51:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they're. They're double biscuit there or single. You know, single gravy they got also they don't have it on the menu, but they will do a chicken, egg and cheese biscuit in the morning.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: Secret menu scenery.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: If you heard it here first. Chicken, egg and cheese. The chicken egg in the. And the egg egg.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: When I'm driving down. When I'm driving down to Florida Bama in about a month and a half, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be getting that chicken.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: You do that. You say because they have a chicken biscuit. You know what I'm saying? You'd be like, can I get a chicken, egg and cheese? They're gonna hook you up and you can thank me later. I put a little mustard on mine. You may not go that route, but.
[00:52:23] Speaker A: Okay, I'm down to explore.
[00:52:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, give it a go. Give it a go.
[00:52:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm down to try, dog.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: You heard it here. Chicken, egg and cheese. The new clever biscuit.
[00:52:32] Speaker A: Do you ever see, do you ever see yourself living up here full time or you want to raise the kids down in B?
[00:52:36] Speaker B: Oh, God, I would totally Live here? Yeah. You know, I stayed in Franklin for a little bit. I used to get my drugs in Murphy's burrow.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: So the dirty. The dirty burrow.
[00:52:46] Speaker B: My publicist hated that I just said that. But it's all like you said, it's a redemption story. It is a redemption story.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Redemption story. And we all go through church when we're younger and look at where you're at now.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Oh, God, your dad.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: And you're raising your kids and that's right. In a good, happy place.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: I wasn't born this way, you know, 100% dog. 100%, you know, absolutely.
[00:53:11] Speaker A: But where would you live if you. If you w. Be back up here?
[00:53:14] Speaker B: You know, somewhere around maybe Hendersonville, maybe.
Me too. Dude, so beautiful. The deer, bro. Like you go hang out at Struggle. I used to crashed at Struggle's house so many times. He's got like a guest room that might as well be a house. And deer just out in the front yard. Like every time you walk out in the front yard, just 9, 10, 11 deer just walking around, they're not scared of you. And you're just like. I mean, in Alabama we see deer, don't get me wrong. But they're definitely afraid of you. And they're running around. You know, these are just like laying out in the yard as you're walking to the car. But where was it? We just stayed.
God, it was beautiful. The city. Like the. What's another surrounding area?
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Like Bellevue?
[00:54:00] Speaker B: Dixon starts with the M, maybe.
No, Juliet. Madison. Madison.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: That's where my girlfriend just bought a house. She's over in Madison.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: You know, Madison, it kind of like the end of the world in a certain spot and then. But we got out to this, this. We stayed on this like Airbnb that was at a farmland on the water and oh my God, bro, I could have lived there.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: Madison back in the day, from what I've heard was like the spot. And then over years, you know, cities just go through ups and downs. And right now it's like at East Nashville where it's been like where East Nashville's been super. Been like gentrified and has like its hip scene and the hipsters have come in and cleaned it up and put like the artsy stuff that's ruined it.
[00:54:44] Speaker B: No, I'm kidding.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: That's extent that's extending into Madison right now. So it's like getting cleaned up, right? Which is cool. But on the lake in Madison, those big ass houses, those have been there for 50, 60 years.
[00:54:55] Speaker B: This one was beautiful, dude. Farmland. I Mean, we saw turkeys every morning. You know, Fox, like, you take the.
[00:55:01] Speaker A: Kids to the zoo. You seem to like animals. You take.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't know that we've been to the zoo here.
We have, so. We have so many good ones in Alabama. Yeah, we go to the Atlanta Zoo a lot, too.
Yeah, it's a good one.
[00:55:15] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:55:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: Hell, yeah.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: We do all the kid things, bro, as you know.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I just went to. I went. I went on my first family trip with them. I went to Dollywood.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[00:55:25] Speaker A: A few months ago, and I ended up on all the damn roller coasters.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: Let's go.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: Because Charlotte's a tall seven year old, so she had me on, like, the Screaming Eagle and like, all those. And I'm like, I wasn't a big roller coaster guy, but if that little girl wants to go on them, I'll go on there. I'll hold her hand.
[00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or she's holding your hand, basically.
[00:55:40] Speaker A: Honestly. Yeah, yeah. It's best of July weekend. She's like, let's go.
[00:55:43] Speaker B: And you're like, okay.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: All right.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: Charlotte, if this little girl wants to.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: Go, she wants the front row go. Hundreds of feet in the air, like, all right, we're doing it.
[00:55:53] Speaker B: I'm ready to go to Universal. They got the big. Yeah, the Harry Potter stuff that's going down out there. I've got like a Harry Potter tattoo here. I actually am Harry Potter, so.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: But no, talk about some of the ink because you. You've got.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: I've got some.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: Yeah, you've got some.
[00:56:09] Speaker B: This for sure. Sometimes I'll get some like this, and then, you know, I'm pretty cool and want to cover it up later. No, I.
I got Marilyn here. This is Juice, actually.
[00:56:20] Speaker A: That's a great tribute.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: Me and him at rolling loud. Yeah, I got a buddy from Canada do that one. He's killer. Somebody's blowing my phone, bro. Just won't go away. I got music notes in my ear.
I like to put stuff in specific places. I got a band aid on my wrist kind of thing. It's like, that's cool.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that's cool. I just got my sobriety date. That's it.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: That's it? That's all you got?
[00:56:41] Speaker A: My business partner has, like, his whole arms. It's like. It's not. He's like, I don't want to have a full sleeve because I want it to look degenerate, where there's just random things.
Like, I want that.
But he's got, like, A Dolly Parton, like injustice. It's like injustice for all, but it's Dolly Parton, like holding the things. Like he's got like rage against the machine, all this. I do have to get a rage rowdy tattoo at something. Oh, yeah, that's part of my. I've been a co owner for two and a half years.
[00:57:05] Speaker B: So you've been sober that long?
[00:57:06] Speaker A: I've been sober, yeah. I've been sober. Be 10 years next May.
[00:57:09] Speaker B: Congrats.
[00:57:10] Speaker A: California sober. So I'm not like, okay, California. I'm able to. And luckily I never.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: So you eat eggs and cheese? No, I'm kidding.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: Eggs and cheese. Eggs and cheese, hold the chicken.
But. But yeah, I mean. And I never. Luckily I never got into the powder or anything like that.
[00:57:26] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:26] Speaker A: I was able to do. I just know I can't drink these because I end up drinking a lot of them.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: California sober.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: California sober, man. That's what I do, man. I'm chill. There's a lot of guys and girls in the industry that are, you know.
[00:57:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:57:37] Speaker A: Where it's just easier to get. Get a little stone hit.
[00:57:40] Speaker B: I ain't gonna say any names, but I did a session, bro, and there was this one guy. I mean, it was like an 8 o' clock session or something. Maybe too early for him, but Red Bull, a line of coke, bro.
[00:57:52] Speaker A: And wow.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: Went straight to a Miller Light and rolling a joint and smoking a cigarette. He was just like, back to back. He was just like.
[00:57:58] Speaker A: And then just getting.
[00:58:01] Speaker B: Insane. And I was like, bro, it's eight o'.
[00:58:03] Speaker A: Clock. Some people are built different. Some people just are, man. And it's true. And. And there's a. There's a thin. There's a thin line between brilliant and crazy. Especially when it comes to, like, creatives, you know? Like, you see a lot of tweakers. Well, you see people.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: Genius.
[00:58:16] Speaker A: They're brilliant. And then they. Then they. Slowly you start to see the crazy come out.
[00:58:20] Speaker B: Out, over. Yeah, it's true.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: See it for sure, man.
[00:58:23] Speaker B: You keep expressing yourself long enough.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: You do, man. You do, man. Well, I love the way that you expressed yourself in Coyote. I love the freaking record, man. Thank you. I can't wait for it to be out and out there for the world. What are some other goals that we're looking at as we're getting ready to wrap up 2025 right now, man?
[00:58:37] Speaker B: Just keep going, bro. Yeah, I want to get on some stages, man. I'm itching to get on stage, get some more records out, get back in the Booth.
I went on like a two month run writing some songs out here, and I was really inspired and just on my. And I think I want to get back in that groove and just write an. I'm ready to do another one. So I'm already, you know, it's like once you get one done and you've like, you've done your part to get it released, you. There's other things you have to do to continue it. But I'm already ready to do the next. Like, I'm out of songs or something. You know what I'm saying? So I need like a new something. Yeah.
[00:59:11] Speaker A: Amen. That's a good spot to be.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:13] Speaker A: As a guy who's been a fan of your music for a while now, man, I love that you have that itch, because that means getting more right after, like, not long after the record.
[00:59:21] Speaker B: Yeah, just keep getting out, man.
[00:59:23] Speaker A: Well, dude, thank you so much for coming on here, hanging out and making the. Making the early trip up.
Look forward to hanging next time you're back in town too, bro. I'd love to get you on an event. And if I'm ever, for whatever reason, passing down I59, I'll have to go check out the.
[00:59:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Nakalula.
[00:59:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it is for sure. But y' all be sure to follow our man who is clever. You can find him on Instagram, find him on Tick Tock, and more importantly, get on Spotify and get on Apple Music. Get on itunes. Actually buy the damn thing and go check out Coyote. Check out all the other songs that are out. And you got a website too, I'm guessing.
[00:59:59] Speaker B: I got whoisclever.com, but I'm more. I'm like, I got at Clever on YouTube at Clever on tick tock1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So those are the ones I like because they're clean. You know that clean handle. Yeah, that clever. Tick Tock at Clever on YouTube.
[01:00:13] Speaker A: Hell yeah, dude, check it out. Well, man, appreciate the hell out of you coming on. Shout out to our friends from Surfside. It's not a seltzer. It's a Surfside. No bubbles, no trouble, sunshine and a can go and check them out. Gonna send you back with some that you can bring back to the. For you and the wifey to enjoy at Nakahula Falls.
[01:00:29] Speaker B: That's right.
That's right.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: A with an L. Not a Nakala Falls in Gadsden, by God, Alabama. But shout out to our good friends from Surfside. For more on us, visit raised rowdy.com for my man, Clever. I'm Matt Brill. This has been outside.
[01:00:46] Speaker C: I ain't never been the kind for st one place for too long I ain't never been the best at s I love you to a girl I love Only got a couple tricks on my sleeve they usually just make them leave so if you know me if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony but maybe the drinking and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony.
[01:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
