Ben Chapman & Meg McRee

Speaker 1 00:00:14 What is going on? Everybody? You got your boy, Matt Brill, hanging with you for another edition of the In Thero podcast, and today is a very special one, one that I've been looking forward to. Two of the most talented individuals that you will meet in this damn town. Two folks that I'm lucky and honored enough to call my some of my good friends. It's Ben Chapman and Meg McCree. And, uh, let me tell you something, they are incredibly talented. They're badass individuals, great hangs, and um, I love them dearly and super stoked to have them as a part of today's podcast, their first podcast interview ever, by the way. But before we get to that, gotta tell you about the sponsors, whale Tale Media co whales in the gang. They get it done. They do it. They got you covered on content. They got weddings that they do. Speaker 1 00:00:59 Anything you need in the content branding world. Hit them up. Whale Tale Mediaco. 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Use the promo code I T R A checkout and you save 20% on your order. Now. Without further ado, I told you all this is a fun one. It's the first time these two have ever been on a podcast. Sit back and enjoy the conversation with Ben Chapman and Meg McCready on the end of the round podcast. Speaker 1 00:02:20 What's going on guys? Speaker 2 00:02:21 What's up man? Speaker 1 00:02:22 Hello. How are you two doing the day? Y'all been freaking busy. Speaker 2 00:02:26 We've been trying to hang in there. Ben just had to get my headphones on there. <laugh> had to get strapped in for this. Speaker 1 00:02:34 Yeah, dude. No, you definitely want to be, want to be strapped in and, uh, help <laugh> Speaker 1 00:02:40 Hop on the jet plane. Trailside CBD baby's from a code i t r. Get that 20% and you can be flying on the plane like we are having a good time. Um, now you guys have been doing a lot of live shows recently, huh? I mean, you guys were doing, you were out doing the live show thing during last year too. Like you were hustling and going, you guys were going back to Georgia, going down to, to Chattanooga, like doing your thing. But now it's, you guys are going on tours. You guys are opening shows, ticketed shows here in Nashville other places. How, how the hell's it all been going? Yeah, Speaker 2 00:03:08 Man, it's been going good. We, um, yeah, we pretty much spent the covid year, um, heading down to Chattanooga and doing those little bar shows and acoustic shows and trying to pay rent and, um, then it just kind of turned into the full band stuff. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:03:27 <laugh> now you lose money. Speaker 2 00:03:29 Yeah. <laugh> <laugh>. But no, it's been great. We've, um, we've been, we opened up for Fight Lane Calvary here recently, um, full band and doing some Drake White stuff in November and um, so it's been going good. Speaker 1 00:03:46 Hell Speaker 2 00:03:46 Yeah. Yeah. Super fun. Speaker 1 00:03:48 Yeah. And the dynamic of, of you two, I guess that's kind of where I wanna start. Cause you two, like, I first met Ben. I definitely, I think I met Ben first. It was when I first started with these boys, Le Musk and I Bloodline guys. Yeah. Atlanta, Georgia, Buckhead Theater. And you were on the road with, with Joby for I believe that run. Oh yeah. You were at that show at Buckhead 2019. Speaker 2 00:04:08 I was in Guitar Tech. Oh, in quotations? Speaker 1 00:04:12 Yeah. You were Guitar tech, Kenny Wayne. Matt Daniel was selling merch. Manny Manny was there. It was a, it Speaker 2 00:04:18 Was, yeah. There wasn't much guitar teching going on. Hey, they were outta tune. Speaker 1 00:04:23 But I remember meeting you and I remember, um, job and a few other people that were that in an introduced me to you and they were like, dude, like, like, cause you, you're how old now? Speaker 2 00:04:32 Uh, 23. Speaker 1 00:04:32 23. So you were 21. Yeah, 12. Speaker 2 00:04:35 You were 20, 20, 21. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:04:37 You had the short hair. Speaker 2 00:04:38 Yeah, man. Speaker 1 00:04:38 Wearing the revival hat. Oh, Speaker 2 00:04:40 I had the swoop hair. The swoop. Speaker 1 00:04:42 The swoop we had. We love the good old swoop. Yeah. But, um, I met you then. I don't even, were you living in Nashville at that point? Speaker 2 00:04:48 Um, see I spent like two or three years coming up before I moved and just going to like, revival and stuff like that. Um, and then the day I turned 21, like no, that's pretty dramatic. Like, like 10 days later. Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was, it was literally like, yeah, it was like 10 days after, um, I came up here. But, um, but yeah man, I probably wasn't 21 when you met me. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:05:16 Hell yeah. Hell yeah. No, cuz I, cuz then I've, then I think I started. So when, so you're, you're from Lafayette? Lafayette, yeah. La Not Lafayette. Lafayette. Lafayette. Speaker 2 00:05:26 There you go. Speaker 1 00:05:27 And then Meg, where, where are you from? Cause you're Georgia as well. And what's kind of your story? Cuz I know were you guys, did you guys know each other in Georgia? You guys met up here? What's, what's, no, we met up here. What's that whole story? Speaker 3 00:05:37 So I, um, I'm from Sugar Hill, Georgia, and I came to Nashville in 2014 to go to Vanderbilt on an academic scholarship. Um, so I did that and I graduated and did a bunch of internships and was trying to figure out, you know, if I had the balls to do what I really wanted to do. And then finally I was, was like, yep, I, I think I'm gonna do it. So graduated from there and started waiting tables and watching babies and, um, making money, paying to write songs, basically. Um, that's what they say. The the dream is when you get paid to do what you pay to do. Yeah. And I paid to do it for a long time. <laugh>. Um, so after that, I guess how I met Ben, we, uh, we both played revival at Speaker 2 00:06:24 Downtown, Speaker 3 00:06:25 The Tin Roof downtown for a stint. They try to do that on Thursdays. Kind of what they're doing now with they're doing, we're playing tomorrow there. Combative Speaker 2 00:06:32 Attack taps. Speaker 1 00:06:34 Yeah. Which I love that venue by the way. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. That's cool. Tomorrow night's gonna be special. I'll Speaker 2 00:06:38 Be there. Yeah, it looks like you're in a jungle in there, bro. It's like we're, it's like we're playing in a green room. Speaker 1 00:06:41 So you guys meet at a tin Speaker 3 00:06:42 At Greenhouse, you mean? Speaker 2 00:06:43 Yeah, green Greenhouse <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:06:45 So we were playing down, we were, Lord, we were playing down at 10 Roof. And I had never met Ben and Vinny Pa Lizzie was like, I put y'all in the same round. He introduced us and he's like, y'all should have written yesterday. Like, y'all should have met forever ago. Y'all are gonna vibe really well. And I was like, okay. And then we got up on stage and Ben's guitar pickup went out. He had to use mine. Speaker 2 00:07:10 Yeah. So it went out <laugh> Speaker 3 00:07:13 It went out. You had to use my guitar, but we didn't start date. We became friends and, um, started writing songs and, uh, didn't start dating until probably a year after that. Speaker 2 00:07:24 Yeah. A whole year. No, Speaker 3 00:07:26 Not a whole year. Like seven months. Speaker 2 00:07:29 Felt damn near a year. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:07:31 And, and and y'all's love story, y'all, y'all's getting together is is a, is a song on freaking Nate's Nate's record, right? Speaker 2 00:07:39 Yes. Yeah. It is. Speaker 3 00:07:40 Yeah, Speaker 2 00:07:41 It is. What? Yeah. Which, Speaker 3 00:07:43 Which one? Uh, uh, overdue Speaker 2 00:07:46 Overdue Long. Speaker 3 00:07:47 The first line is the best thing about him Speaker 2 00:07:49 And Ryan Nelson Speaker 3 00:07:50 Being with a girl with a shitty boyfriend is you see all the wrong moves that he makes on the way down to then. Speaker 2 00:07:55 That's right. Yeah. No, that's, I did Speaker 3 00:07:57 <laugh>. So that's that story. That's all I'm gonna say about Speaker 1 00:08:00 That. What was, hey, what was the first song you guys wrote together? Cuz you guys have, you guys play a lot of rounds together. Obviously you guys are out on the road together and you guys like sing a lot. Like do the, do the harmonies on each other's songs, or you're playing guitar or you're, you're out there with the, with the fiddle, with the guitar. What was the first song you guys wrote together? Speaker 2 00:08:17 Oh man. It, it was, uh, this song called Calloused Heart. Yeah. I I remember it like it was yesterday. Yeah. It was, uh, that Speaker 3 00:08:24 Was a good call. Speaker 2 00:08:26 Yeah. It was Cal's Heart. Speaker 3 00:08:28 It was about like a, like a guy who can't show his feelings. Yeah. And being like, I love you. You know what, even though you're, you Speaker 2 00:08:37 Can't talk about it sounds really cheesy at the moment. It was, Speaker 3 00:08:40 It probably, it's probably bad. Speaker 2 00:08:42 But Yeah. Speaker 3 00:08:43 Probably was the second song we wrote. Speaker 2 00:08:45 I think it was Puppet Speaker 3 00:08:46 Was Puppet Strings. Speaker 1 00:08:47 No shit. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:08:48 Which Speaker 3 00:08:48 Which is a standard, a Ben Chapman standard. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:08:52 It's a quintessential, when you think of Ben Chapman, you think of Puppet Strings and I think of the, the video. Cause you, you were putting out some, some acoustic videos for a minute. Yeah. That that was right. I was like, I was sending those to people. Cause I'm like, people need to know about what, what these two are doing, what they're doing. They look like babies. Yeah. You guys look, you guys look like babies. Speaker 2 00:09:09 Yeah, we did. I remember that. Yeah. I back in that video, I'm like, whoa. Speaker 3 00:09:12 Yes. That video has like the Facebook video I looked the other, it has like 50,000 views on it or something. Speaker 2 00:09:18 I don't know. It's Speaker 1 00:09:18 That's crazy because, cause people will go back to watch it because that's their taste of Speaker 2 00:09:21 Yeah. And they're like, who is this Speaker 1 00:09:23 Kid? And then they go and look for the record Speaker 2 00:09:25 Baby. Speaker 1 00:09:25 And then they go and look for the recording music and they're like, I wanna, I wanna listen to this guy. And now it's you, you got Speaker 2 00:09:31 Yeah. Until you turn up and like, hear the lyrics. It, it almost looks like a kids bop video. <laugh>. Cause we're so freaking young. Speaker 3 00:09:38 Yeah, you do. I mean, when I first met Ben, I was like, how old is this kid? I'm two years older than Ben. So, you know, got a lot more miles on my tires. Yeah, yeah. A lot more about life. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I was like, I was like, I was walking before you were ever born. <laugh>. Big, big deal. But, um, what was, what were we talking? Oh, pop Strings We wrote that, other songs we wrote before we started dating Was Hell Outta Me. Which is another song on your record. Yeah. Love song. Which is we wrote Adeline May before we were Speaker 1 00:10:09 Dating. Yeah. That to me is one of my favorites. A Adeline May is like you guys when um, when you're just in that, that video. And then whenever I see you guys do it at a round, do you guys do it at the live show? Like the full band show? We Speaker 2 00:10:21 Haven't. Yeah. We, I mean, we haven't, I think it Speaker 3 00:10:23 Would need to be in the acoustic moment. Like it Speaker 2 00:10:26 Needs, it's pretty much like we, we do it in sets. It's pretty much like the breakup song between like full band stuff and then like, we'll come out and like, do three songs. Speaker 1 00:10:35 Well, it's, well it's the way it's written and the way you guys do it acoustically, it's like, it's not a full band song. It's just meant to be one of those stripped down kind of moments where people are hearing that song going, what the fuck? Because that's what I did the first time I heard it. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:10:47 Yeah, yeah. We just wanna make it like a moment every time and just, you know, clear the air. Speaker 3 00:10:53 Make it a moment. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:10:54 Sounds like it. Now was was that just you two on that one? Speaker 2 00:10:57 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It was, yeah. Speaker 3 00:10:58 Most of everything is just us two. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:11:02 So Speaker 3 00:11:03 We, so we, we um, we rode on my like little porch every time. And, uh, I guess last night we were just like hanging out, not doing much and hitting some Delta. And uh, we, uh, we rode a song in like 30 minutes or something. I, we haven't written on that porch in a while. And it was, it was really nice. I was like, there's some magic on this porch that we Speaker 2 00:11:28 Yeah. Forget Speaker 3 00:11:29 We missed. Forget, forget about it. Cause that was the first when we wrote all those songs on your record, so, so yeah. Speaker 1 00:11:34 Yeah. That's, that's special. What's it like, I mean, for each of you guys, I mean, you see it some, you, you do kind of see it, but you don't see it like all the time. You don't see it with the chemistry that you two have both on the stage and just being great friends, turn into a relationship. What's it like dating, like your, your biggest co-writer, like you guys doing this music thing together? What's that like? I know that's a hard question, Speaker 2 00:11:54 But it's, you know, it's overall it's great <laugh>. It's su it really is. It really is. Yeah. But Speaker 3 00:12:00 It pros and cons. I Speaker 2 00:12:02 Mean, yeah. It, it does get tricky sometimes, but it's, you know, never too tricky where you Yeah. Speaker 3 00:12:08 Think Speaker 2 00:12:08 Can figure it out. Speaker 3 00:12:09 The pros is like, we talk about like every, we understand like where each other's coming from. If we're like frustrated about something or excited about something. Like it's hard to communicate it to people who don't Speaker 2 00:12:20 Get it. Almost everything that is a pro is also a con. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:24 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:12:25 If, you know, if you can, you, you know what I'm saying? Speaker 3 00:12:27 It's kind of Speaker 2 00:12:27 Trippy. Yeah, man. But almost is like, you know, we talk about everything but the flip side is we talk about everything. Yeah. Cause you know, Speaker 3 00:12:35 You can't turn it off. Yeah. That's the flip side is you can't turn it off. Like, there's never a moment. Like, we'll be like just hanging out like midnight. Like, did you do this? Did you turn this song in? Because we just signed to the same publisher. So we've got like, we're like writing songs. I'm like, did you turn this in? Or should I turn? Like, it's funny. It's like, it's great. Speaker 2 00:12:55 Yeah. Overall it's, it's super cool. Speaker 1 00:12:57 So I was gonna ask about the vulnerability of songwriting. Like a big part of songwriting is, is being vulnerable and stuff. And y'all, y'all are in, y'all are in in a relationship. Uhhuh <affirmative>. And it's like writing, like writing with each other. Will will those vulnerable things. Like, is it ever like tough, like you wanna write a song about, say, about, say make or you wanna write a song say about Ben. Speaker 2 00:13:17 We just do it anyways. Just Speaker 1 00:13:18 Do it anyway. Yeah. It's just open in there. Damn right. Speaker 2 00:13:21 Just firing shots. Yeah. This is like a machine gun man. Speaker 3 00:13:25 It's not a, I've never, I mean, I think some people really can't write with their significant other and I prefer to, I just feel like, like I know what you're gonna like, Speaker 2 00:13:37 You can get to the down and dirty quicker. Speaker 3 00:13:38 I know what you're gonna like and I know what, not even to suggest cuz I know you won't like, you know, like, and vice versa. And if we don't like something, we'll be like, that's stupid. Yeah. You know, like there's a little more of like, I think you, you flesh out the song and better and you can be hard. Be hard on each other. Speaker 2 00:13:53 On each other, you know, Speaker 1 00:13:54 Because you know what each other are capable of. And you guys have that friendship. It's not just like you're walking into a random coat. Right? Yes. Yes. Because are those happening more for you guys now since the deals have been signed? Where you guys are writing with folks that you had a written for and Speaker 2 00:14:05 A lot and a lot of times, you know, we're doing Meg and I with somebody else and it and that's super cool too. Speaker 3 00:14:12 I love that's, I love Speaker 2 00:14:12 It. Uh, we just did one of those this morning with, uh, Speaker 2 00:14:16 Marla. Marla, yeah. Marla Cannon Goodman. And, um, but, and it was awesome. You know, you get the best of both worlds. Yeah. It's fun. You, you also, you don't get in a rut with, with like bogging down of being like, oh, let's, uh, let's come back to that. You know, you got somebody there to be like, all right, you know, let's try this avenue. Yeah. So that's always awesome. And then we've been doing a lot of solo stuff, just like Meg's been writing with people and I've been writing with people separately and that's been going well too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So we've really enjoyed the, the, um, the pub deal. It's, it's been awesome. That's Speaker 1 00:14:51 Awesome. Yeah. Congrats on that. I know that, like you said, you're, you're paying to do what you love and now you get paid to Yeah. You get paid to do what you love. Yeah. And it's, it's a full circle thing. I think another thing that's really cool about you guys is like the friend group that you guys have. The the the fam jam crew. Yeah. The, the the the next generation or the current generation of revival. Like what you, like you two, your, your music is so, like you, it's in that same vein. Yeah. It's, it's the real shit you want to hear songs about, about real shit. Like, you wanna hear something that's different, something that's kind of fits that America mold but still country. Like Yeah. You guys both do that and your friends do that. Well, Speaker 2 00:15:28 Dude, yeah. That's, that's the coolest thing about us is, is just our friends. I mean, everybody that we hang out with there, there's too many to, to count. And then if I keep, if I say I'm I'll, I'll forget Speaker 1 00:15:39 One. And everybody's starting to win. Speaker 2 00:15:41 And, and Speaker 1 00:15:41 Like, everybody's starting to win the whole, it's great. Crew is winning right now. It's Speaker 2 00:15:45 Great. Yeah. And like, it's so weird. It's such a tight knit group because, you know, I'm roommates with Nate Frederick and then, you know, and um, and then Matt, Daniel, you know, we talk to him every day and then job and, Speaker 3 00:16:00 And I feel like, and Vinny Speaker 2 00:16:01 And, and Tyler and Harbor and Wade's like the thread Speaker 1 00:16:04 And Colin, the list list goes on and on. Speaker 2 00:16:06 Yeah. And Dalton and Dylan and I mean, it's literally Chris can't everybody Yeah. Chris. I mean just, it just goes on and on and on. And they're all just, we, we talk to each other almost every day. I mean, literally everybody we're texting something back and Speaker 3 00:16:20 And forth. We're, we're, Speaker 2 00:16:21 But, and we're in contact with literally everybody. And that's what makes it so cool and so awesome. And Speaker 3 00:16:27 Yeah, it's weird too to think where you met everyone. I met Tyler Halverson was my first co-writer ever. No shit. And we were, we were interns together at a management company that managed like Sammy Kershaw and the Gatlin Brothers and all these old school like acts and, Speaker 1 00:16:43 But that fits you and Tyler so well now looking back on it, Speaker 3 00:16:46 <laugh> and we didn't know we had no duties, you know, we were like, what are we supposed to be doing? Like, we kind of just like sit there and tour our thumbs and finally I was like, you do music. Yeah. And he's like, show me that one Bud Wiser song. You know guys, I don't know if you That's is one of his old hits. I was like, oh, we should write. So that was my first co-writer. And it's funny that kind of, the group has like formed through all these Speaker 2 00:17:09 Yeah. It's just, it's crazy how threads and Yeah. Speaker 1 00:17:12 Yeah. And it's, and it's, and it's a nice combination too of like guys and girls doing their thing, you know? Yeah. Like, like what, what you and Harper are doing because Yeah. She's crush, he's a little Texas Spitfire. You're a little Georgia Spitfire and you, you two on stage together. We Speaker 3 00:17:25 Have a song called Spitfire. Do Speaker 1 00:17:27 You Speaker 3 00:17:27 Actually Yeah, we do. <laugh>. Yeah. We, one of the first songs we wrote together was called Spitfire. So, um, we, uh, Harper and I met at a writer's round, kind of similar. And I just like, Hey, let's write. I didn't know like how to even go about that. And she was like, okay. And so then that's probably my like, best friend in the world now. So it's so funny. It's like, you never know. Speaker 2 00:17:50 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:17:51 Crazy. You just gotta be brave and go up to people and be like, Hey <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:17:54 Yeah. Is is there anything you wish you knew a couple years ago that you know now? Like, or anything that, like those early days, like music wise, Lifewise, like, cuz you guys both came up to Nashville. If you're coming up here for Vanderbilt, you're coming up, what, 18 mm-hmm. <affirmative> getting up here and you're, you're doing trips up here before you're 21. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, y'all are young. It's not the easiest place to be super young just cuz so much of the networking and all stuff goes on at the bars. Speaker 2 00:18:17 Yeah. Yeah, man. And that's, that's why I really didn't move up till 21 cuz I was like, you know, you can come up here and, and get a vibe for it, but you really can't do shit, you know, before you turn 21 Speaker 3 00:18:29 And you won't necessarily be, if you can't get into a bar. It's like, yeah. It's, people are gonna take you seriously. Speaker 2 00:18:33 It's hard. Yeah. It's unfortunate. It's hard to, yeah. It's just kind of an unfortunate situation, but, um, Speaker 3 00:18:39 It's probably good for you to wait <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:18:42 Yeah. I guess so. What was the original question? <laugh>? What's Speaker 1 00:18:46 Hell? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:18:46 Golly. Speaker 1 00:18:47 What's something, um, what's something that you wish, like you knew when you first moved up here? Oh Speaker 2 00:18:52 Man. Um, Speaker 1 00:18:53 Like is there any, like, you're looking back, mean any cringe moments? Do you remember from 19 year old Ben? Bad Speaker 2 00:18:58 Chatting? I look back at my first revival ever. Oh dude, it was brutal. It was, it was not. Speaker 1 00:19:05 Who'd you play with? Speaker 2 00:19:06 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:19:07 Um, didn't they make you play with someone really good one time and for your first time or Speaker 2 00:19:14 Something? I think it was Matt Willis. I think so. I think it was him. Yeah. He was amazing. Um, I'm pre I'm pretty sure it was him cause he's super good and I was like, shit. And yeah. And it was <laugh>. It was just, I was singing some songs that I'd wrote when I was, you know, 17, 18, 19. And, um, I mean, they were good at the time I thought. And they were, they were fun and stuff, but, wow. Um, yeah. Speaker 3 00:19:43 What's your advice? <laugh>? What Speaker 1 00:19:44 What's your, what's what's your advice for Speaker 2 00:19:46 Oh yeah. Back to the original questions. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:19:49 You're reflecting your, Speaker 2 00:19:50 I know Jesus, Speaker 1 00:19:51 18, 19 year old young kid from La Ette, Georgia coming up here, coming up to town. Los, Speaker 2 00:19:57 You tell, just be yourself. Be yourself. You know? And I've always tried to stay true to that, but even more so just, just freaking stay true to yourself. Just Speaker 3 00:20:05 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Speaker 2 00:20:06 I mean, no matter what. No matter what. Speaker 3 00:20:10 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:20:11 I think that's, that's the only thing that you have to do. That's literally, that's the only thing that you have to, you don't have to, there is no other advice, honestly. Well, you know, drink more water. You know what the hell stay high. But like, like literally, you know, there be yourself. That would be mine. Yeah. Cause there's, because there is no way you can come up here and, and be like anybody. Cause there already is one I think of those people or 10 of those people in today's time. Um, but you just have to be yourself and that's what makes you, cause there's always gonna be a better guitar player. There's always gonna be a better singer. There's always gonna be a better songwriter. You Speaker 3 00:20:44 Know, what do you Speaker 2 00:20:45 Have and what do you have that, that, you know, that makes you different? Is, is you just have to be different. Speaker 3 00:20:51 There's this, there's an X factor to people who I think are successful. Like, and I just like see it in my friends and see it, you know, people, how does so and so make it? And soandso not. And there's really no answer to like, Speaker 2 00:21:03 There's really no right or Speaker 3 00:21:04 Wrong. Like you said, there's always someone better. There's always gonna be someone better. So yeah. Finding, I think for me, my advice to me, or a young girl <laugh> hopeful about moving to Nashville is that to be yourself and also just quit comparing yourself. It's like, get off the phone, quit watching videos of other people and well, I'm not good enough. I'm not, you gotta like, stay in your lane and keep your eyes forward. Speaker 1 00:21:30 Yeah. Wearing those, those blinders. Yeah. That like they put on the horses that are running, Speaker 3 00:21:33 You know, it's cool. Be inspired by other, you know, be inspired by other people. But, but don't compare to the point where, and I'm, that's what I'm telling myself now. 25, you know? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:45 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:21:46 I Speaker 3 00:21:46 Agree. I'm still learning. Speaker 1 00:21:47 Who are some people that inspire you? Who are some of those, those OGs Almost writers. Like songwriters. Yeah. Songwriters. Speaker 3 00:21:55 I always kind of go back to the grades of the seventies when talking, when I'm thinking about like, what, what, what do I want to write? You know, like something timeless that somebody can listen to in 50 years, 2021 from 1971 and be like, what the fact that's 50 years ago is crazy. But yeah, to look at, to look at that music and be like, I know exactly what she's talking about. Let's do Emmylou Harris record and think, wow, those songs still hold up. That's so cool. Like what, what about them holds up? What makes something timeless instead of timely? So like Speaker 2 00:22:28 Yeah, I would, Speaker 3 00:22:30 I I I think like those songwriters and Speaker 2 00:22:32 Yeah, definitely. Of like, you know, Bonnie Wright, the guy Clark's and, and you know, even the country funk stuff of Tony, Joe White and all those guys. Man, those, they were different. You know, they weren't the best. You know, you're not gonna go to, you're gonna go to a concert from them and, and see a show, you know, it's not a production. You know, everything is different every time Speaker 3 00:22:56 You're gonna see live music. Yeah. You're Speaker 2 00:22:58 Gonna see, you're gonna see the emotion of live music. You know, it's, it's, it's not a, it doesn't have to be a huge production, which is, it's cool if it gets to that point. It's super cool. Um, those guys are awesome too. But some of my favorite shows are, are, are for some of my favorite concerts that I've ever watched. Or, you know, there's four members, a thousand people there with four, four members in the band. And they're vibing. Yeah. There's so, or there's seven members in the band. I'm, I'm, I'm a jam band too, so, Speaker 1 00:23:28 You know. Oh bro. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we get down to some widespread panic and all that stuff. Oh yeah. These days. And enjoy, enjoy that stuff. Yeah. Nicky t had said this to me a while ago, like that for him when he looked his dream, like concerts and stuff, when he can see like a big, like an act in, in a club setting or even a bar setting. There's some, like, there's something about going to Eddie's attic and seeing a ridiculously cool show at Eddie's attic. Oh yeah, man. Something about like the basement Peach Jam. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like going and seeing shows at the basement. A basement he's, or a place like the Rying over a stadium, you know? Yeah. Man, Speaker 2 00:24:00 It is. It's much, it's, it's so, it's so cool. And like, who, I mean, you know, who am I to sit here and be like, you know, the Rolling Stones are about to play in Nissan Stadium. I would cut my freaking left arm off to go see that shit. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But I mean, at the same time, one of my favorite concerts ever was seeing Greg Almond at the Ryman, you know, and it's just amazing. Speaker 1 00:24:21 Is he a big inspir? Is he a big, big guy? Oh yeah. Big, big guy in your musical. Right? Musical life. That's Speaker 2 00:24:26 Your biggest, biggest. That's like, Allman Brothers are definitely one of my favorite bands. Like Allman Brothers Little Feet, um, even Skynyrd, you know, that's overrated. They're, that's, you know, it's not overrated. Not overrated. It's, it's just over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wrong word. Speaker 1 00:24:40 Wrong word. Well, Speaker 2 00:24:41 There's a difference. Wrong word. Skynyrd is not. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:24:43 Well there's a difference between like the Skynyrd songs that you hear all the time. Like, yes, your're Free Birds, you're Sweet Home Alabamas. But then there's those deep Speaker 2 00:24:49 Threats. But like, I was like a Skynyrd nerd, like I know like all the members, like Knowles names. Like I was like, and then Speaker 1 00:24:55 Beatles. Beatles for you? Speaker 2 00:24:56 He was Speaker 1 00:24:56 Beatles. Oh, you were Beatles too? Yeah, I Speaker 2 00:24:58 Was Beatles. And, and Leonard Skynyrd were like, I can't remember just said Leonard Skynyrd. Can I, can we clarify that on Air Leonard Skynyrd <laugh>? No. Not Overrated. Yes. <laugh> Leonard Skynyrd is, uh, sweet How my Alabama is overplayed, but Skynyrd is one of the best bands ever. Speaker 1 00:25:13 Yeah. Yeah, man. And the fact that they ever, the fact that they had so many different members over the years and they, oh, Speaker 2 00:25:18 Just Rock. Oh, I know. They're just, and they're still rocking, you know? But, um, but yeah, dude, like, even like the, the BSides of, of, you know, like second helping and pronounced and those early records, those are like, man, yeah. Speaker 1 00:25:33 When did you first pick up a guitar? Speaker 2 00:25:35 Um, Speaker 1 00:25:36 Cuz because that's a big thing too about the Ben, about the, the Ben and the Be experience. You guys aren't just great writers. You aren't just great singers. You guys know how to play some fucking instruments like y'all. It's, it's a show like you guys, that's why I, that's why I love having you guys at our Round. Why I love watching you guys at Revival or Any round really, because it's, it's, it's like a show, like the way you guys play. Do your thing up there. It's, it's freaking cool. So when, when did Guitar Player Ben Chapman start? Speaker 2 00:26:01 Um, probably like 12, 13, uh, um, Speaker 1 00:26:05 You remember that first one you got? Speaker 2 00:26:07 Um, yeah, it was, it was a mar it was a, um, it was, um, a DX one Martin, and they're, they're 300 bucks the, the lighter end of the Martins. But, um, I remember it like it was yesterday. But yeah man. And um, my granddad, I think he had it and gave it to me and, um, started playing on that one. And, uh, <laugh>, I think the first song I ever learned was Simple Man. Speaking of Skynyrd, Speaker 1 00:26:40 Speaking over, speaking of overplayed Speaker 2 00:26:42 Skid songs. Yeah. For real. But, um, yeah, dude. And then Meg, she can burn it up on Speaker 1 00:26:50 How many instruments did Speaker 2 00:26:51 You play? Ask Meg when she started playing violin? Speaker 3 00:26:53 I was five. Oh wow. I'm a classical violinist, so I'm learning how to fiddle and it's a transition. It's the same, you know, it's the same instrument, but just a different style and kind of unlearning and relearning some techniques. So I'm kind of making it my own, I think. And, you know, playing, I guess like southern rock, violin, fiddle, that's what we're gonna call it. It's, I'm trying to get a phaser pedal or something trippy for it. Kind of make it more of a guitar sound, Speaker 1 00:27:21 Dude, that'd be nuts. Speaker 3 00:27:22 Stuff like that. But, but I started playing when I was five. I heard Dixie Chicks song on the CD player. My mom had fly by Dixie Chicks. She said, mom, what's that? And she said, what? And I was like, pointing out the, the fiddle. And she was like, that's weird that my little child pointing out that one thing. So I think I got a couple lessons for my birthday from my grandparents and I had this little tiny violin that was the size of like my hand now and just tortured everyone's ears for a while. And then stuck with it I think to, you know, maybe they were surprised. I stuck with it. Played and symphonies did all that through high school. And uh, yeah. So that was my dream with that. When I was 14, I got a guitar and I was listening to a lot of Room for Squares that John Mayer kind of acoustic album. And I was like, I wanna play this on the guitar. <laugh> such a two thousands kid. Oh Speaker 2 00:28:16 My God. Dixie Chicks for Fiddle and John Mayer for guitar Speaker 1 00:28:20 <laugh>. Hell yeah. Speaker 3 00:28:22 Is that bad? You know? Speaker 2 00:28:24 No, that's in two thousands living right there, man. Yeah, it's, well, it's, and they went to Blockbuster every Friday. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:28:29 Yeah, dude, that, that, I mean, it's just shows how passionate you were bad. It's so young, you know? Yeah. Like, Speaker 3 00:28:34 Yeah. I was like, I wanna, I think I thought I could sing. I, I had this like, um, I home thing that you plug your iPod into. Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:28:42 I had that exact same one Speaker 3 00:28:43 Nano Speaker 2 00:28:44 Like charges. Speaker 3 00:28:46 Ok. But you know, the little dial, like it was like a circle or whatever. Yep. And I would play like Alicia Keys and stuff in my room and while I was cleaning and like see if I could hit the notes. And at the time I could probably couldn't anymore, but I was like, man, I think I could, you know, sing a little bit. So I play guitar cause you can't really sing when you're playing violin. Your chin's on it. So, uh, I got that and kind of taught myself. And then, and then I taught myself very basic. And then starting dating Ben Chapman, who was accelerated my playing by a lot over Covid. Show me how to do that. So that's my instrument story. Alicia Keys, John Mayer and the Dixie Speaker 1 00:29:27 Chick. Yeah. Let's talk about two, two thousands kid. What, two, what were some of your favorite, what was some of your favorite shit growing up? Like 2000. Cause we all kind of like, you're, I'm 26. Speaker 3 00:29:36 Ben doesn't know anything from our Speaker 2 00:29:37 Geners. Are we talking about music? Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:29:39 Or just culture. How old were you, you when you got your first like smartphone? Uh, man, you probably never even, do you even have a flip phone? Speaker 2 00:29:46 No, no. I have, he Speaker 3 00:29:47 Has his iPhone <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:29:50 I was, I was probably like 16 before I got a phone. Speaker 1 00:29:55 And the iPhone was your first one. Like, you've only been iPhone? Speaker 2 00:29:57 Well, no, I, I got a little slide. Speaker 1 00:30:01 Oh, you had the little slide. Oh, dude. Speaker 2 00:30:02 With the keypad on that Speaker 1 00:30:04 Thing. Yeah, I, I had one of those too. Speaker 2 00:30:05 I was texting, you know, I was like, bill Gates on that thing. Speaker 3 00:30:08 T nine baby. Speaker 2 00:30:09 Yeah. What you want baby? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:30:11 T nine. Speaker 1 00:30:11 Then you probably had flip phones and shit, right? Speaker 3 00:30:13 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And I, I had, yeah. Speaker 1 00:30:17 You remember mini clips? Like the little song, little song things too? Oh Speaker 3 00:30:20 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 00:30:21 <affirmative>. Hey, do y'all remember those? Uh, who let the dogs out? Do y remember those? Um, okay. So they were like, I got one of these for Christmas one year. They like had like little bitty DVDs. Yep. And you like slit 'em in mm-hmm. <affirmative> and like, press and it was like a big plastic thing. Speaker 3 00:30:35 That's the best thing for a kid ever. Speaker 2 00:30:37 Yeah. And it was freaking awesome. I used to watch a Amanda show. Remember that show? Oh yes. Amanda show. She didn't she go like nuts or some Speaker 1 00:30:45 Shit? Yeah. Most, most, most Speaker 2 00:30:47 Of those, most child stars go like crazy. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:30:50 A lot of the people we watched growing up went through crazy moments at Speaker 2 00:30:53 Some point times. Most, most child stars were like very fond of like coke. They're like, Speaker 1 00:30:58 Like, like we've never seen Mary Kate and Ashley again. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:31:01 Lives, I mean, where are Speaker 1 00:31:02 They? Paris Hilton. Where the fuck are you? They're probably Speaker 2 00:31:05 Happy. Ashley Tisdale. Remember all that shit. Yes. Where they Speaker 3 00:31:08 Sweet life of Zach and Cody. Speaker 1 00:31:09 Yeah. Zach and Cody. Where are they? Speaker 3 00:31:11 Yes. Zach and Cody are like models now. Speaker 2 00:31:14 Yeah. They're like, they work for Abercrombie. Speaker 1 00:31:17 Abercrombie. Speaker 3 00:31:17 No, they influencers. They all become, we were talking about that last night. We were watching the Olympics and we were like, what do you do when you're done? Like you age out of gymnastics, you become an influencer. Speaker 2 00:31:26 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:31:27 Is that, is that just like, what do you do when you age out of the Bachelor? You become an influencer. Speaker 1 00:31:31 You, you moved to Nashville. Yes. That's what you do <laugh>. And you go to the batch through reunions every couple years. Yes. That's what you do. Speaker 3 00:31:38 Brutal. You pose in front of like fifth and Broadway and be like, everyone come hashtag ad <laugh>. Yeah. And Speaker 2 00:31:46 Come down You go take a picture with the wings. Yeah. Did Speaker 1 00:31:48 You guys, do you guys ever have to give a, have to gig on Broadway? Like, have you guys done Broadway gigs over Speaker 2 00:31:52 The years? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I've done, I've done, um, a little bit that was like, that was like my biggest piece of advice for me. Don't do it for me coming to town is like, stay away from Broadway as much as possible. Get a real job before you go to Broadway because it, you may, it broadway's not a bad thing. You just go down there and make so much, or not make so much, but, you know, make money to, to live off of and you just get addicted to Speaker 3 00:32:15 The, you get burned out, you don't wanna write. Speaker 2 00:32:17 Yeah. And you're also down there at like freaking, you know, 4:00 AM midnight to 4:00 AM Yeah. If you have a night gig. I, Speaker 3 00:32:23 Yeah. That was something. And Speaker 2 00:32:24 This Yeah. Like I've heard that from literally everybody is just don't go to Broadway and get burned Speaker 3 00:32:30 Out. But we do those gi we do those gigs. It's Speaker 2 00:32:32 Not, but yeah, we were doing those gig somewhere in Chattanooga. Yeah. You know, but we didn't, we, we forced ourselves to come back to town on, you know, Monday. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:32:39 We just do do those same exact gigs. Some we just done 'em somewhere else, you know? Yeah. It's not for pride. Like we won't play those Speaker 2 00:32:46 Gigs. Yeah, no, it, it's totally not one of those things. Speaker 1 00:32:48 Like No, it's, it's the way Speaker 2 00:32:49 Those guys are working there. See I Speaker 1 00:32:51 Guys and guys, I could even tell you, obviously I'm, I'm not, I'm in music as a, as just whatever I'm in. Like I'm a mm-hmm. <affirmative> in, in the business. But I don't like saying business cuz it makes me sound like a suit and I don't wanna be a suit or anything like that. But my first gig in town was, I worked the front door at Whiskey Row on Broadway. Oh Speaker 2 00:33:07 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:33:07 No way. For a year. That was my first I bet Speaker 2 00:33:09 You saw Speaker 1 00:33:09 Some signs, dude. You see all kinds of shit. But just like how it gets kind of addicting because you're making a ton of money. Like those door guys will make money that's not listed. They'll, they'll get, if there's a line, they find their ways to hustle and stuff. And like you, you're meeting all these different tours that are coming in. You're meeting these bachelorette parties, just, there's this energy. Yeah. Yeah. I never left Broadway really, like, ever like Broadway was where I would go all the time because it was the scene I was in. It is, like you said, it gets like addicting. Like there's nothing wrong with playing a four hour cover gig. Everybody I think needs to do that. Yes. Think it's necess for when Speaker 2 00:33:40 You get necessary. Speaker 1 00:33:41 Yeah. But for when you get to the moment you guys are at now where you're playing 45 minute sets, hour sets, like when you're doing a show, like, it makes you so much better. Speaker 2 00:33:49 It's so weird going from like a cuz I mean, Speaker 3 00:33:52 They'll be like, yeah, can y'all play for 45 Speaker 2 00:33:55 Minutes and played 1,004 hour gigs, you know? Yeah. Over the, the past four years. But, and then like, you go from, from four hours to like 45 minutes or an hour and you're like, did I did like, cause you know, in a cover gig you're like feeling good to like two hours in. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You're, you're like, you're just getting your gas two hours in, you know, if you play for an hour, it's like, oh Speaker 3 00:34:18 Shit. Like I, and I, I never did Speaker 2 00:34:19 That with, I hope, I hope I connected with those people, you know, and more so than, you know, you, you probably did, you know, you're just overthinking it. But it's like, it's so different, you know? Speaker 3 00:34:29 Yeah. It's, Speaker 2 00:34:30 It's a different vibe I think. I mean, but it's way, I mean, it's way cooler. Speaker 3 00:34:33 I mean it's like, try and reserve Nashville for original music, you know? Speaker 1 00:34:37 That to me is a big thing is I tell, I tell people, if you want, like, I tell people to come to Nashville during the week as opposed to the weekends because on the weekends the original music tends to go outta town. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But during the week, like pop by Shameless plus say, okay, come to Live Oak. Whether it, whether it's our round on a Tuesday or all these other ones. Go to revival, go to anywhere. I mean Yeah. Go any, yeah. Just go see original music. Literally. Yes. Like, cause what, what Nashville is, is it's, it's guys and girls that move here for a dream and being a songwriter isn't the most glamorous thing. Like, it's definitely been like, especially early on like, yeah, y'all are grinding. Like it's, it's a grind out there trying to put the time in for what you love. Like, cause you work another job. It takes away from that time to, to write and network and all that. But doing like, like you said earlier, Meg, the paying to do what you love, like mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's what it is. So you gotta go and watch the people that are doing that. For sure. And that energy that they're giving you. That, that to me is the real Nashville. Speaker 3 00:35:33 Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, it's such a different energy. And and that's Speaker 2 00:35:37 The, that's the realest energy that you'll find in, in town. You know, Speaker 3 00:35:40 That's, I wanna know, that's Speaker 2 00:35:41 The feel good energy. Speaker 3 00:35:42 Like I wanna know what, when I go to see someone, like, I wanna know what they think about life. You know what I mean? I wanna hear what they're saying, what they're writing. I like, I don't, I don't really care if you can sing that good. I don't like, or play that good. You know, it's awesome if you can, but what are you saying? And like, and what melodies are you saying it that's cool to me. And, and so like, I think it can become, you know, cover band, American Idol, you know, there's a million great singers, but it's like, you gotta dig deep and kind of find your thing. That's what makes you an artist, I think. Speaker 1 00:36:14 Yeah. It's like, no, they say no farmers, no food, no no song, no writers, no songs. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, real really. So yeah. Like, like you said, man, I agree with that. Yeah. Agree with that. 110%. Speaker 2 00:36:25 I agree too. Thanks Speaker 1 00:36:27 <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:36:27 I agree also. Speaker 1 00:36:28 Who, who, who are some of those writers in town that do that are like, they're Speaker 3 00:36:33 Really South Speaker 1 00:36:34 Logan. They're songwriters. Zach Logan. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:36 Yeah. And I mean, Speaker 3 00:36:38 I mean, but even beyond our friends. Like even Speaker 2 00:36:40 Yeah. Even beyond our friend. Like I, I'm just thinking of pe I was, I was like kind of like groomed in like the, like from in LA Fit chanting Channing Wilson also. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:36:50 Also, I call, I call you a Channing Wilson, like disciple. What's Channing Wilson's o OG Revival. Yes. And it's kind of fitting that you're a part of this, this class now. That's the consistent people that you go to revival, chances are you're gonna see one of you two or your friends. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:37:05 I was least one Speaker 1 00:37:06 Night Speaker 2 00:37:06 I was fortunate enough to wear, you know, one of, one of the best songwriters was from my hometown. So, um, Speaker 1 00:37:11 How'd you first meet him? Speaker 2 00:37:13 Um, we actually met at, at this like 4th of July party, one, one night. And I got up and um, I, my mom was like, you're gonna play with chanting tonight. And I was like, mom, please don't meet me. I was like 16 <laugh>. And he, I mean he like, he looks exactly the same. Like, just like scary. Scary. Yeah. And I was like, shit. I was like, all right, all right. And so I went intimidated. I went and got my guitar and got up there and he was like, well, what we gonna play son? And like, I don't know. And I was just like fiddle farting around on the guitar and I forgot my freaking capo. And he was like, you got a capo? And I was like, no. And he was like, bet you won't do that again. And I was like, still to this day, if I, I have never forgot a capo again, but Speaker 3 00:37:57 You say, no, ch you gotta play the court Speaker 2 00:37:59 <laugh>. But, and then also, but I think we played, um, uh, honky to Heroes, Waylon Jennings. And then after that we became buddies. So we, and then he started showing me like Guy Clark and Towns Van Zant and like the Heartburn Highway scene and all that. And Larry, John Wilson and, and Bobby Charles, Speaker 1 00:38:22 All the people he grew up listening to too. Speaker 2 00:38:24 Yeah, man. And um, Speaker 3 00:38:26 You were already on that old, Speaker 2 00:38:28 And then when I was coming into town, you know, I would come to town with him or, or our buddy, uh, Casey Tudor. And, um, we would just go around and, and then that's when I met, you know, the, the Brent Cobbs, the, the White Durettes and all those guys and, and those Rob Snyders and, and Revival and all that. So I, it was, um, but yeah, Speaker 1 00:38:52 Everything was pretty much How important is revival to you guys? Like, to me, I've seen you guys, you guys, they were doing the little video thing where everyone was kind of telling their story. I remember you two did one of those, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yep. So what, for, for you guys, like what, how important is like the, is revival? Like, cuz to me it's a staple. Like, I want to be doing what I'm doing today without, without revival, you know? Speaker 2 00:39:11 Yeah. Man, revival is, is a huge staple. I mean, it's like pretty much we're there every Tuesday. Um, it's just, and it's just a part of our lives. Speaker 3 00:39:22 A place to hang out and see everybody. And also I think it's a great place to, to try out new songs. Yeah. That's Speaker 2 00:39:27 Like's, that's the biggest thing. You know, it's, it's pretty much our group of fan friends showing up literally every Tuesday and just swapping songs. I mean, if there's at least four people we know off every round, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause it's just interchanging every week. And it's, it's so cool. Speaker 3 00:39:43 And it's, it's kind of a routine. It's the most too, you know, like there's no routine in this town. Like to be able to be like all on Tuesdays, like more or less we know what we're gonna do. Yeah. Last night I didn't mention Speaker 2 00:39:55 And now that's kinda, now it's kind of split with the, in the round yard. Well Speaker 1 00:39:58 We, yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:00 It's awesome. It's like everybody's just kind of walking up down the, well you can go bounce. It's literally everybody bounces all Speaker 1 00:40:05 Mine. That to me that's the, that's my goal when I, when we do our rounds on Tuesdays. Cuz I have nothing but, but respect and I consider Vinny and Rob and that whole crew of their friends. It's so cool. Yeah. And Vinny will come over and play our round. That's what Speaker 2 00:40:17 I'm saying. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:40:18 And go and host Revival. Speaker 2 00:40:19 I know. It's great. And then half the people that play at Revival, you know, get up and like go, go do your thing. Speaker 1 00:40:24 Or they come from ours. Vice Speaker 2 00:40:25 Vice. Yeah. I know. It's so, it's Speaker 1 00:40:26 Cool. Yeah. My whole whole thing is I want Damian on Tuesday nights Speaker 2 00:40:30 To be cool again. Speaker 1 00:40:31 I want it to be the busiest fucking street in this town because I know we've got something going on at Live Oak. I know Doghouse says something going on, and I know my friends down at Tin Roof are doing revival. I want Everybo Taurus, whoever. I just want people to flock in there. Yeah. To check this shit out, you know? Speaker 2 00:40:49 Yeah, dude. And it, it's working too. Speaker 3 00:40:51 I think it's crazy too. Like, I don't know, I think it's cool that it's, everything's opening back up and everything's kind of like full force. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:40:59 It's really cool. Speaker 3 00:41:00 But I guess I was just gonna say is like you can get some crazy artists to play onto Mum <laugh> and like crazy big people play onto Mum and it's so funny. It's like you're never too big for Tin Roof. Speaker 2 00:41:11 No <laugh>. No. Everybody plays, everybody plays Survival. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:41:16 Yeah. It's a, it's a, Speaker 2 00:41:16 It's, and like everybody in the past, you know, 10 years who've, who's, you know, we would consider, you know, big, big time today, um, has has definitely played revival in the country music world, Speaker 1 00:41:31 You know? Yeah, yeah. The revivals, the whiskey jams that you look at. Speaker 2 00:41:34 Oh yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:41:35 Why, why not Wednesday? I mean, for sure you look, go back to what Grady and SA used to do with, um, Sunday School and like yeah man mm-hmm. <affirmative> all the different rounds that have, that have gone and, and continued and building a culture. And that to me is one of the biggest, biggest things is that there's the culture and the community. Like, like we were talking about earlier, Meg, the going over going to Whiskey Jam at uh mm-hmm. At the Ryman. Like just that, how that's like a, like a community. Oh yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there were still people standing up and drinking. I had a dr I had a girl drunk as pissed right in front of me on the balcony at the Ryman. They Speaker 3 00:42:05 Did make Thery it, the Ryman felt like winters that night. Speaker 1 00:42:08 It was That's cool. It was, Speaker 3 00:42:09 It was. They had a huge whiskey jam banner and it was, it, it had totally that energy. Speaker 2 00:42:15 Yeah. That's really Speaker 1 00:42:16 Good. And what I liked is that Speaker 2 00:42:17 Gordon knows how to like, pull that Speaker 1 00:42:18 Off. And what I liked too is he didn't just have like the, the big, like he didn't just have the, have these huge artists. He had some huge names on there, but he also had writers go out there. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:42:28 That's, that's what's cool about Ward, you know, he always respects the writers. That's just as much as Speaker 1 00:42:33 He's a writer, I mean that's how, like, he had, he had, he's a badass writer. He had Channing pop out, he had Randy Montana pop out, he had Jesse Alexander pop out, like Tyler Reeve, all these different writers. Speaker 2 00:42:42 Yeah. He's in that class of like, you know, everybody has their, their class of, you know, every, I'd say every like four years is a class Speaker 1 00:42:50 That's like high school, you know? Yeah. Oh Speaker 2 00:42:52 Yeah. It pretty much is Speaker 3 00:42:53 Just like Speaker 2 00:42:53 That. And he's in that class. Speaker 1 00:42:55 Who would you guys consider your class as? Your friend group, like around that? Speaker 2 00:42:58 Definitely I think our friend group would Speaker 1 00:42:59 Be mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Did everybody yet here around the same time? Speaker 2 00:43:01 Pretty Speaker 3 00:43:02 Much. More or less. Speaker 2 00:43:03 Yeah. More or less. Mm-hmm. Um, Speaker 3 00:43:05 Everyone kind of found themselves at the same time. I think that's a, Speaker 2 00:43:08 Yeah. I think it was just a lot of soul searching Speaker 3 00:43:10 More Speaker 2 00:43:11 So than it was Speaker 3 00:43:12 You get here and you try to do all these things that look like they're working for other people. And then if it's not natural, it's not natural and it'll come across and like, it always, I think it takes everyone a little bit Yeah. Of time to figure out where they settle in and what songs work and Yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:30 I think everybody in our friend group we're just in the class cause everybody's being themselves, you know? Yeah. And it's, it's just kind of that, you know, our group Speaker 3 00:43:39 That's kind of the vibe is like, be yourself at all costs. Be, be make the music that feels right to you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> without caring Speaker 1 00:43:50 <laugh>. Yeah. What, what's, what's it like to, what's it kinda like, because every, every class has kind of had that had like what you're, what you had a vibe had had a crew that's had a vibe and been a little bit different, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you go back to the guys like, like the Ray Tierre, the Adam Hoods, the, the Rob Snyders, the the people that Oh yeah. Man that have that. Even even these, even Musk and I boys, you know, they do their own, they do their own thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they, they definitely fit that kind of mold. You guys aren't necessarily like, you're out there playing, playing shows like big, big, big time shows like Flatland Cavalry, Drake White, like that. Those are cool tours to be on and shit. But y'all aren't this mainstream. Y'all are like this, this left of center. What's it kind of like to be carry that flag for this class? Like, that's pretty fucking cool. It's gotta be, Speaker 2 00:44:35 Man. It's, it's likes super. Just, just fun. I mean, I, I've never, to be honest with you, I've just never really looked at it kind of like that. It's just kind of just like, you know, just kind of plug in and play and just whatever you play is what it is. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. You know, you just, you just kind of can't help it, you know? Cause I, you know, I've tried to, to write those commercial songs, it's just much harder to me to Speaker 3 00:44:59 Yeah. It just doesn't come naturally. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:45:01 It just doesn't come natural. So it's, I feel like it's just, it just naturally what we do know, what we fall under. So it's just, it's just, it's cool. It's, it's Speaker 3 00:45:10 Fun. It's not better or worse or whatever. It Speaker 2 00:45:11 Just, yeah. Yeah. And like, that's, that's what I've like, come to real. It's just like, it's, you know, no better, no worse. It's Speaker 3 00:45:18 Just fun. Just make sure it's real. Like that's all I, it doesn't matter what it sounds like, just as long as it's real cool. But at the same time too, I think there's kind of a shift, a paradigm shift in the music industry right now where after the pandemic and all that crazy stuff, I think there's a real value placed on just realness Speaker 2 00:45:37 Authenticity. Speaker 3 00:45:38 Yeah. I think you, we can just see through shit. Yeah. I mean, be like, you've never done that. Don't sing about that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 1 00:45:45 Yeah. It's like, like you guys talk about in, uh, in Puppet strings. Like, it's literally that. It's literally that for, I mean, this is kind of the, you figure now we're in, we're in July of 2021. Like, we all kind of remember where we were at this point last year. And now to see where we're at. It's cool hearing the songs that came out from quarantine because people were really going through some shit. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And if you're a real, if you're a real writer, like if you're a songwriter, songwriter and you're gonna write about your feelings or somebody else's feelings or tell a story, that's gotta be so much inspiration had to come from that too. Oh yeah. Those rough times. We Speaker 3 00:46:20 Wrote a Speaker 2 00:46:21 Lot. Crazy. Speaker 3 00:46:22 We wrote a lot together. Yeah. That time. But I, I think it's neat. Like, like you said, Ben, like you never think of it like that. You just think of it as like, well, this is what I know how to do and this is what I'm, what the only thing I'm good at, I guess if I am even Yeah. But Speaker 2 00:46:38 Yeah, if I try to do something commercial, I would just feel pretty bad. Speaker 3 00:46:42 <laugh>, you would just not, you would. Yeah. It should be like not living in your own skin. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:46:48 Yeah. Just, just being like you said the advice, just being you. Yeah. Just being Speaker 3 00:46:52 You. All commercial really means is it sells. So what does that even mean? You know? Speaker 2 00:46:56 Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:46:57 S Simpson sells. Speaker 2 00:46:57 Yeah. Yes, sir. Simpsons commercial. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:46:59 Bridgestone. Yeah. We're supposed to go to Bridgestone show. Speaker 2 00:47:02 Guess you're right. Speaker 3 00:47:03 But it's, it's a beautiful thing. Speaker 2 00:47:07 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:47:08 Have a group of people around you that keeps you on that road. Speaker 2 00:47:13 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:14 Yeah. For Speaker 2 00:47:14 Sure. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:15 Absolutely. Absolutely. Now some, uh, some other questions we always like to talk about, like Nashville, Nashville, things around here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> favorite, favorite place to go to when you're fucked up to eat food. Oh, fuck. Favorite place to go if there's only one. You, you only get to go to one place. Speaker 2 00:47:30 Oh, Jesus Speaker 3 00:47:32 One. Does it have to be like, open? Like, could it be like, well, okay, so I Speaker 1 00:47:37 Mean, you can be fucked up anytime you want. Speaker 3 00:47:39 Like, that's what I was, I didn't know. Like there's, I don't know. I love Dino's. I haven't been to Dino's in a while. Yeah. I like Speaker 2 00:47:44 Dino's. Dinos and East Naturals. Yeah. But Speaker 3 00:47:47 I don't go to east that much. We neighbors. Speaker 2 00:47:49 Yeah. Neighbors is where I neighbors park. But I don't like their, I mean, I like their food. It's okay. But I'm trying to think where I would go. Saying to eat. To eat. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:58 Man. You got them Delta eight Munchies. You're right, you're right. A pounds of food. Lost Speaker 3 00:48:02 Palmas. Speaker 2 00:48:03 Yeah. Lost Palms. Or Speaker 1 00:48:04 Which one? Cuz there's like 12 of Speaker 2 00:48:06 Them. Hey, street. Street. Yeah. And also, I mean, I like some, I like some hot chicken. Speaker 1 00:48:11 Oh, you are a hot chicken Speaker 2 00:48:12 Guy. Yeah. Anna Love Wendell Smith. Wendell Smith is my favorite spot. Speaker 1 00:48:17 I don't think I've been to Wendell Smith. Speaker 2 00:48:18 It's like, it's like a meat and three place. Oh. Charlotte. Like the best fried chicken C in Nashville. Wow. Yeah. It's good. Oh Speaker 1 00:48:26 Yeah. Is it better than, uh, Ette? Uh, fried chicken. Yeah. Is there better fried chicken down Speaker 2 00:48:30 There? Yeah. Oh yeah. Speaker 3 00:48:31 Arnold's. Speaker 2 00:48:32 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:48:33 I, I Speaker 2 00:48:34 Arnold's is good. I love Speaker 3 00:48:35 Arnold's. But we also eat at Nuke. We just ate at nukes. We, we eat at all this basically. Speaker 2 00:48:39 Yeah. We eat everywhere we eat. Speaker 1 00:48:41 Don't discriminate. We out here Speaker 2 00:48:42 Eating. Yeah. Almost every time we eat we're high. So <laugh> nice. Speaker 3 00:48:47 That is not true for me, mom. Speaker 2 00:48:49 Yeah, that's true. Speaker 1 00:48:51 <laugh> also too quick side speak. Oh, that was a joke. Speaking of mom and dad and like family, it's really cool to hear like your story, like your grandpa was involved and your story, your grandparents were involved, like with getting you guys into music. Like that's super cool. It's like, did anybody in the family play or was it just like Speaker 2 00:49:07 Yeah, my granddad, he, he play, yeah, he still plays, but Speaker 3 00:49:10 He, uh, he he's Don Richie's Speaker 2 00:49:11 Famous. Yeah, he is. Oh no, she's Don the Don, Speaker 3 00:49:14 He's the Don Richie. He's famous. Uh, uh, for, he just bends like biggest fan Speaker 2 00:49:19 Fan. He's like my, my, my hype guy. Speaker 3 00:49:21 He came, he came up and saying Kitchen Speaker 2 00:49:23 On Instagram. Like every, all of my friends know Don, like, and they like ask about him all Speaker 3 00:49:27 The time. He's 84 and he comes and drinks separate under the table. Speaker 2 00:49:29 Yeah. Literally every time we hang out. That's awesome. Yeah. So like, everybody's like in on Don Bottle. Yeah. He showed bottle Speaker 3 00:49:36 Lights. He Speaker 2 00:49:37 Showed me pretty much all, all the chords and stuff. So it's super cool. Speaker 1 00:49:42 That's super cool. That's like a family fa little bit of, a little bit of a family tradition. Speaker 2 00:49:46 Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:49:48 Oh yeah. So what, so what do we got? So we got the, we got the new song coming out. Speaker 2 00:49:51 Yeah. Um, Speaker 1 00:49:52 Hippie Speed Ball. Hippie Speaker 2 00:49:53 Speed Ball will be coming out August 11th. Speaker 1 00:49:55 When did you guys write that one? We Speaker 2 00:49:56 Wrote that during Covid Covid. Yeah. During, yeah, probably last year at some point. Speaker 1 00:50:00 What, what was the inspiration behind it? Cause it doesn't have like this dark kind of feel Speaker 2 00:50:04 To No, no. We were just, we were on the porch one morning, you know, drinking coffee and, and, and, Speaker 1 00:50:09 You know, yeah. Speaker 2 00:50:10 <laugh> partaking and, uh, it just, it just, we just kind of shitted out, you know, and, and in about 30 minutes, honestly. And it's one of my favorites to play. But, um, yeah, coming out August 11th and we recorded it probably damn near a year ago, so I'm, I'm excited to get it out finally. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then the same, same day, August 11th. Uh, we're having Peach Jam too. Yeah. So, yeah, so it's kind, it's kind of gonna be Speaker 1 00:50:39 Like a I'm ready, I'm ready for Peach Jam too. Yeah, man. I'm ready for Peach Jam too. That's right. I'm ready to fast forward. It's returning. I'm ready, I'm ready to return for that one. I, I'll see if Nikki t still wants to go with me after last Speaker 2 00:50:50 Time <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:50:50 But, uh, he better. But yeah. And, uh, those, those, those are super cool. Um, what's the plan as far as new music for, for both of you guys? Like what, what do we got? So we got hippie speedball coming out. What? Yeah. And then we're looking at ep, we looking at al we looking at, I'll be looking at more singles. Speaker 2 00:51:05 Like I have a, um, we're gonna release a couple more singles and then, but I have a, all the singles are coming off this record that it's gonna be 13 songs and we're gonna release it sometime probably in the winter or, um, ne early next year. Hell yeah. So, um, but singles will be coming out up till then, so, we'll, like, this is starting to put out, you know, the, the record finally. And then Meg just started, you know, she's about to Speaker 1 00:51:30 Start her. Yeah. What's going on with what's going on with your solo things? I wanna, I'm excited for that. Speaker 3 00:51:35 Yeah. So I, um, I cut two songs, track two songs. Um, on the day Ben finished his record, we kinda shared a studio day Save a Little Money. So I came in kind trial run, um, Jake Gears, who is our publisher, producing both of our stuff. Speaker 1 00:51:51 Oh, that's cool. That's that's nice and convenient too. Speaker 3 00:51:54 Yeah, right. He turn into songs and Speaker 2 00:51:55 We can't say enough good things Speaker 3 00:51:56 With Jake. Yeah. We love Jake. And, um, he is been like, awesome in kind of helping me figure out, you know, like, what do I wanna say as Meg McCree and like, what is this record gonna look like? And I think it's gonna be really cool. I, the two songs I cut are pretty funky and, and, uh, I love how it turned out. It's kind of got this old school, new school feel to it, but it just feels really me at when I heard the two songs so far, I was like, I would listen to that and I was like, that's all I need to know. Would I listen to it? Yep. Cool. Then I'll keep making it. So, um, probably gonna cut 10 song record. Speaker 1 00:52:35 Hell yeah. Nine times. I love that you guys are doing records too. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:52:38 Yeah. We're, yeah. Speaker 3 00:52:40 Yeah. I mean, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. I'm planning on a record, so We'll, um, we'll see how, how it goes. I think I'm gonna finish up in the fall and then Ben we'll have some stuff out and I'll be a writer on it. I think we have a song together. We got a duet on Ben's record. Speaker 1 00:52:58 I was gonna say you better have at least one duet. Yeah. On the Speaker 3 00:53:00 Record, we each, I have a duet of ours and he has a duet. Speaker 1 00:53:04 Hell yeah. Speaker 2 00:53:05 So yeah, it's gonna be fun, man. That that's awesome. We're we're really excited for what's coming up. Um, Speaker 1 00:53:09 Yeah, y'all been busting your ass working hard for it. Like, it's so well deserved. And as somebody who's gotten to know you guys more so over the last year, um, it's, it's incredible to, to watch it and seeing, seeing you guys go, go out. But the reason I say it's so cool you're doing records. I mean, obviously it's cool to put out a record, like that's a huge goal always. But for you guys, like you're the type people, like if you're gonna listen to a record, you're gonna, you're gonna pop open the player, put, put the vinyl in, you're gonna, you're gonna listen to it from front to back. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So when you guys are laying out your records and putting out a record, it's gonna be like a story from front to back. Yeah. Like the way you guys do it, it's not just, oh, this is gonna be the, this is gonna be the radio song. That's part of what's cool about being the Yeah. The independent, like doing it y'all's way. Speaker 2 00:53:51 Yeah. You have to think about, you know, the process of, of you know, the song order and you know, it almost, it can't get too wrapped up in like, like the, like I hear a lot of times in Nashville, like, is it cohesive? Is it cohesive? Speaker 3 00:54:03 What does that mean? You know, it's like, you know, do you have a love song and heartbreak song on it? Yeah. It's Speaker 2 00:54:07 Like, yeah. Speaker 3 00:54:08 You know, you can have two different, Speaker 2 00:54:09 What is that? You know, listen to a, a album from the seventies and, and those are all over the freaking place. Speaker 1 00:54:14 Yeah. But the, but the all songs that tell about the chapter of when the record's come out. Right. Speaker 2 00:54:18 For sure. Speaker 3 00:54:18 For sure. And if you're speaking the same language Speaker 2 00:54:20 And, and I think it's just like the language of the record and the sounds of the record and um, you know, if you use the same players it's gonna sound cohesive enough, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and so, but um, but yeah. What was the original question? You're, I keep going back to that question. Speaker 3 00:54:37 I'm, I'm excited for hippie speed ought to come out cuz it's been a long time coming. Speaker 1 00:54:42 Yeah, I'm, I'm su I'm super stoked about it too. Um, and, uh, super stoked to have you guys we're gonna be doing the, uh, the, uh, fam Jam Yep. Takeover in August. Oh Speaker 3 00:54:52 Yes. Remember? Yes. The Speaker 1 00:54:54 End of August. Speaker 3 00:54:54 Yes. I was the orchestrator. I was like touch, trying to like, it's like trying to herd cats. Like Speaker 1 00:54:59 I feel you. It Speaker 3 00:54:59 Is like that group of friends. Like we, it's trying to herd cats, but we got it. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:55:03 Can't wait to do that. Speaker 1 00:55:04 <laugh>. I'm, I'm super stoked about that because it's, you, you guys, I mean, obviously big fan of you, big fan of you, big fan of like, of this. But to have the whole crew there, it's gonna be, it's be really special to have that. It's an, it's an honor to get to put that together and stuff like that. So Speaker 2 00:55:19 When that crew gets together, it whew, it gets wild. Speaker 1 00:55:23 Who's the who's, who's the wildest part? Who's the wildest in the group? Who's the one where you're like, somebody's gotta keep an eye on so-and-so tonight? Speaker 2 00:55:30 Uh, probably Ron Nelson. Yeah, I was gonna say that's, Speaker 1 00:55:33 That's who he is in my crew too. Speaker 3 00:55:35 Ryan's sat in every crew. Speaker 2 00:55:37 Yeah. Speaker 3 00:55:37 Yeah. But you don't even worry about him. I don't even worry about him because Speaker 2 00:55:40 No, I don't. Yeah, no, he's, he's so, he's got, he's got his shit together and you know, he just, Speaker 3 00:55:46 Nothing can, I don't, I never, I can never be surprised by him. Speaker 2 00:55:50 Yeah. That's, that's what I say. You Speaker 3 00:55:51 Know, there's nothing he could do that would surprise me. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:55:53 When was the first time you met him? Speaker 2 00:55:57 Oh, oh, we met at Losers one night before I had moved to town when Channing Channing had just played a revival and we went over to Losers and we, I met Ryan and he gave me, you know, the Ryan Nelson spiel, you know, the, the whole thing. So I, and then ever since then we've, we've kept in touch. So he is funny. Then when I moved to town, we became good buddies. So Speaker 3 00:56:21 I sing, I have sing on his project. Speaker 2 00:56:24 Yeah. Next sang harmonies all over that thing. Speaker 3 00:56:26 But, um, first time I met Ryan was at a BMI event. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:56:30 Wow. You met Business Ryan Nelson. Speaker 2 00:56:33 What was he? Which is the same as, it's the same. Speaker 3 00:56:35 There's Speaker 2 00:56:36 No Speaker 1 00:56:36 Difference. Yeah, I mean, he is the Florida Speaker 3 00:56:38 Man was like, I mean, it was an open bar event, I'm pretty sure. Oh boy. So it was called bmi, next Wave was all these songwriters. And I, I remember I met Ryan there and I was just like, this guy is crazy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I think we probably met for a second. First time. Speaker 2 00:56:55 Yeah. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:56:56 Hell yeah. Speaker 3 00:56:57 That sounds like a song too. Second, first time. Speaker 2 00:57:00 There you go. Write it down. I'm gonna Speaker 1 00:57:02 Write it down. Write, write it in the notes. There you go. Write it, write it in the notes. Speaker 2 00:57:06 Now the podcast knows. Speaker 1 00:57:08 No, but you guys will write it before this comes out. You got plenty of time. So get get it, get it uploaded and all that stuff. What's a, what's a goal for, uh, by the end of the year, Speaker 2 00:57:18 Man? Just to have, just to have 'em up near half of this record out and just to, just to finish these shows out that we booked strong and Speaker 1 00:57:27 Yeah. Plug, plug the dates. Do we know the dates off the top of our head or do we know? Um, Speaker 2 00:57:31 Or Speaker 1 00:57:31 We can just tell 'em where to go to find them. Speaker 2 00:57:33 Yeah, I mean, my website will have up, have 'em up there on my, on my socials. Instagram. Instagram, yeah. Just all chatting music and Speaker 1 00:57:41 MySpace. Speaker 2 00:57:42 Yeah. Yeah, MySpace. Yeah. You know it man. But, um, the Drake tour will be, Drake White tour will be in November and that'll be the whole month of November. And then, um, we're gonna be at this Shawnee, um, cave ther, uh, September 4th for the Cowboy Camp Speaker 1 00:58:01 Out. Have you guys been there for that? Have you guys been to that place yet? Speaker 2 00:58:03 No, it Speaker 1 00:58:04 Looks awesome. Cause you guys did the, did you guys do the, uh, prison? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:58:09 Yeah. Brushy Mountain. Brushy Speaker 1 00:58:10 Mountain, yeah. What's that? First of all, what's Brush, what's, what's Brushy Mountain? Brushy Speaker 2 00:58:13 Mountain used to be like an old state penitentiary for, for the state of Tennessee. We, Speaker 3 00:58:17 With Jamie Johnson Speaker 2 00:58:18 At Yeah. We played Mountain. Yeah. Jamie Johnson Speaker 1 00:58:20 Vi Vibey Place. Oh Speaker 2 00:58:21 Dude. Oh man. It's like nestled in the mountains. Speaker 3 00:58:23 It's like, it's like, uh, hillbilly Red Rocks. Speaker 2 00:58:27 Yeah, it is. It's Hillbilly Red Rocks. That's a great way to say it. Speaker 3 00:58:30 Right. Which that's kind of the place that the Shawnee Place looks the same Speaker 1 00:58:32 Way. Yeah. Shawnee. Yeah. I was gonna say, if there's a spot for you guys to play, have you been there? I have not been there. I've seen pictures of it. It looks like the place for you guys to play. Yeah. Like just the vibe, your kind of place where it's like the acoustics gonna be good. It's gonna be that raw. You're gonna, you're gonna just hear live music that's mm-hmm. <affirmative> that to me is the best place to see, to see Ben Chapman, to see Meg McCree like that. That's where you want to be. We're looking, we're looking forward to it. Who's that show with, or is that headlining? Speaker 2 00:58:57 No, it's actually a, like a fe like it's called Cowboy, uh, camp out and it's just like a, a festival, but like, I think word Davis's gonna be there. Sonny Sweeney. Oh, Speaker 1 00:59:06 Cool. Speaker 2 00:59:07 Um, Stony LaRue, Speaker 3 00:59:08 Ben Haggard Speaker 2 00:59:08 Steel Drivers. Um, Speaker 1 00:59:11 Yeah, that'll be a fun one. That's Yeah, it'll be, yeah. When is that? Speaker 2 00:59:14 Um, September 4th. Speaker 1 00:59:16 Hey, there you go. Remember in September 4th, huh? Speaker 3 00:59:18 Yeah. That was good, Ben. Speaker 2 00:59:20 Yeah. Good Speaker 1 00:59:21 Memory. You were quick on your feet right there, Speaker 2 00:59:22 Bud. Hey, bam. Hell Speaker 1 00:59:23 Yeah. That's awesome. Now where can people go to find you guys? Speaker 2 00:59:26 Um, on Instagram? Mine's been Chap Music. Meg, what's yours? Meg McCree Speaker 3 00:59:30 At Meg McCree. Speaker 2 00:59:31 Yep. Yep. And then one C one R two. Facebook has been Chapman and um, Twitter is is Ben Chapman music I believe. And all over YouTube and all that stuff. And music Speaker 3 00:59:45 All over YouTube. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:59:46 All over YouTube. Three videos. Speaker 3 00:59:47 YouTube Man. Speaker 2 00:59:48 <laugh>. Yeah, like four videos. Speaker 3 00:59:50 We do not We'll you'll have more though. You just did some more. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:59:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn it man. I was just trying to direct people Speaker 3 00:59:58 All over. He's all over Speaker 2 00:59:59 It. All over you. Speaker 1 01:00:00 Oh yeah. Well you guys cool playing a song, playing two, playing whatever you guys want to do. Yeah. Yeah. Go Cool playing one. You wanna play the new one? Hippie Speedball? Speaker 2 01:00:08 Yeah, sure. I do it Speaker 1 01:00:09 About, about a new one and then, and then an old one or whatever else you guys wanna do. So. Well they're grabbing the guitars. Once again, guys. Ben Chapman, Meg McCree, freaking badass. Uh, super stoked to have these two on today. Make sure you check out their stuff. Hippie speedball, it's out. Dates coming up. Meg's got music coming. Ben's got more music coming. Uh, y'all make sure to go and check them out. Thanks as always for listening to the In The Round podcast. Make sure you guys leave a review, five stars, only baby, and uh, make sure you guys know to come on out to the writer's round. Um, on uh, uh, over at Live Oak every other Tuesday night in the round songwriters night. Shout out to the sponsors Whale Tale Media, Saxon Studios and of course our good friends who, uh, definitely, uh, helped out with the vibe of today's podcast. Trailside C B D Emporium promo code I t r 20% off Nice Tasty Legal Green Products. Now without further ado, gonna let Ben and Meg take it away. Once again, Ben Chapman may McCreary check them out and uh, we're gonna let them sing some songs. Y'all been listening to The In The Round podcast, Speaker 4 01:01:18 Good Fat Crack of Little in the Morning and I take the burning Nose screw side from the Everyday Ain't and classic Combination kills my, they tried kiss ain't I? I Speaker 5 01:03:59 Playing like classic guitar right now. Gimme minute. My money's gone and mys gone with it. I'm watching little movie yelling scream, telling her and go, it ain't no fun. Ain't no fun. When the star does settle soon everything starts. There is a downside to delusion. Think the problem, the solution every time. Yeah. Ain't no fun. Ain't no fun. When the ether wonder if they, my secret.