Atlus: Secondhand Smoke & Unfiltered Truths

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Come on. [00:00:15] Speaker A: This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill for Rage Rowdy Podcast. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to Outside the Round with me, Matt Brill. Today, a true homie. A guy who I had on this show years ago was two studios ago for us. He comes from Colorado. He's been absolutely crushing it. His new song, devil Ain't Done, one of the most added songs at country radio. It's my boy Atlas. [00:00:39] Speaker B: What's up, brother? [00:00:40] Speaker A: Big dog. How you been doing? [00:00:41] Speaker B: I'm doing a real good. I'm doing real good. You know what I just realized, though? I've not put my phone on silent, so I'm the worst. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Oh, I haven't done it either. Good reminder. Look at you bringing attention. [00:00:50] Speaker B: You know what I mean? I was just thinking, oh, no, it's going to beep right in the middle. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Oh, no. Yeah, man. Oh, man. How you been doing? How's life? [00:00:59] Speaker B: It's incredible. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, country radio, you know, I mean, we were the second most added artist of country radio this. This week. So that's pretty crazy. This is the first time going and we got 50 ads. [00:01:11] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:01:11] Speaker B: We're 57 all around. [00:01:13] Speaker A: But, dude, the thing back when you and I first met each other and you had just started coming out here to Nashville, and this had to be 2022. 2023. [00:01:24] Speaker B: I think it was 2022. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And now to see where you're at and how the team has grown and how much your career has taken off since then, man, I wanted to be known. I was day one, Atlas, man. I was day one those early tracks, bro. [00:01:41] Speaker B: But no one else has put me on any podcast or interviews, you know what I'm saying? You're the first. [00:01:45] Speaker A: He's the first, man. Shout out, shout out. Money. Matt Linking. Linking us up back. [00:01:50] Speaker B: My guy still here. Still my guy. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Still your guy. [00:01:53] Speaker B: My guy. I love money, man. [00:01:54] Speaker A: You just played a show over at the cannery. How'd that go? [00:01:57] Speaker B: Well, it was, like, packed out. It was a. I don't know, from what I heard, went over great. I always critique my stuff. Like, I think it. It went great, but, like, if I have, like, one little mess up, I think, oh, you know, I always want, like a flawless victory. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:10] Speaker B: But, like, I. I feel like I. Maybe like one note could have been a little better, but I think it was good all around. I think the reaction was great. The crowd was incredible. It was pack show, and it was one of the better shows, I think. That I've had. [00:02:21] Speaker A: That's awesome, man. That's awesome, man. I'm sorry that we missed it. We had. Our surfside friends were in town and they took us to the Predators game that night for opening night. So I'm sad that I missed it. I will be at the next one. [00:02:33] Speaker B: Should invited me. I would have left my show. [00:02:35] Speaker A: Oh, dude, you in the sweet with the Surfside folks. Just pounding tea. Speaking of that, let's get that raspberry lemonade open. Let's see. Let's see if you had the. Have you had the raspberry lemonade yet? Well, that's a good crack. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, crack's great. [00:02:49] Speaker A: That's a good crack. No bubbles, no troubles, brother. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Oh, man. There's no alcohol in that route. [00:02:56] Speaker A: Not for you, bro. [00:02:59] Speaker B: I don't know. There's some dangerous stuff. There's some good stuff. [00:03:02] Speaker A: It's crushable. It's crushable, man. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Surfside. There you go. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Atlas approved. That's important, man. I always tell. It's funny. We were just up in. In Maryland. We were with Bayless in Ocean City, Maryland, in his, like, hometown. [00:03:18] Speaker B: You went to Bayless hometown? [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we were there for a festival and Bayless happened to be home for it, and we ended up bar hopping in Maryland with Bayless. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Bayless doesn't stop. [00:03:30] Speaker A: No, he's one speed. Full speed. He's nocturnal. You go out on a night with Bayless, you're there until the sun comes up. [00:03:37] Speaker B: For those who don't know, Bayless produced this entire ep. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Did a great job with it. Yeah. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Incredible producer, incredible person. But, man, when the bar shuts down, he never stops, you know, I'm gonna go to like two, and I'm like, I'm good. Things are closed. And he's like, where are we taking the handles? Whose place we going? You know? I mean, like, it never stops. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Do you want to come back to the studio? You want to come back to the crib? [00:04:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:03] Speaker A: And then you end up writing a song or something with them too. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we've had some like 3am writing sessions before. [00:04:10] Speaker A: Unbelievable. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Not my favorite riding sessions. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Yeah, he had poor Nikki T. Drinking Rumpelman shots, bro. [00:04:17] Speaker B: That's his drink, dude. Rumpelman's. They good, though. I like it. [00:04:19] Speaker A: You Was you still a Long island guy? What is it about the Long island that's the official drink of Atlas? [00:04:26] Speaker B: I just think, like, I just want to get there right away, you know? So if I go in to a bar, two Long Islands, and I just get there, then I can just coast. I don't think there's just something about like loud music and like when there's too much like noise in the room. Yeah. I just like, it's just not my thing. I take down two long islands and that noise kind of goes, you know. [00:04:49] Speaker A: It just gets you right in the social battery. [00:04:52] Speaker B: Gets me right where I need to. [00:04:53] Speaker A: Get the motor run. [00:04:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Stop being a little awkward guy just sitting there, you know, not talking. You get two long islands. I mean, you can't shut me up. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's something I've noticed like with, with you as obviously we're, we're good buddies, so. But you're a very like quiet to yourself kind of guy. The music is not that it's very like in, in your face in a way where it seems like Sean and Atlas are almost two different people. Am I right with saying that? [00:05:20] Speaker B: They definitely are. Sean never wants to leave the house. And Atlas, he has to leave the house. He has to go, you know, he has to do his thing. I think it's, it's, it is kind of like feels separate because like when I get home it's like, it feels like I have to like whenever I leave the house, it's like something a little different. Even though it's not, you know, I mean, I don't know. It's weird to say. I think I'm pretty much myself, man. I'm really. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I think, I think you, I think you, you definitely are. And again, that's from like when I first met you a few years ago. I feel like just in the past few years you've really come into your own as an artist because you were singing and you were doing those cover songs back in the day, just posting content and content and content. And now it's like you're, you're an artist, man. Like you're full blown touring on the radio ass artist. [00:06:14] Speaker B: So it's so, it's awesome and it's amazing. It's what I've like moved here for. But it's also just such a strange thing to think that like people care that much or that I have a team and a label that like cares so much and management cares. I just have so many amazing people around me that it just. When you come from the trailer park, you feel like, am I even worthy. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Of all this, man? I mean, what. How does it feel to come from the incredibly humble beginnings of literally coming from next to nothing to now, a guy who's got music out there that the World is listening to. [00:06:50] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't. It's. I don't know if it's really caught up with me just yet. I think I just keep. I've just been doing whatever I'm passionate about, which is making music and writing music. I don't think I've changed very much in terms as a person. I'm trying to stay that way, you know, I mean, I pulled up here on a 1999 Camry with a busted drunk, you know. Yes. I'm still rocking the beaters. So. I mean, yeah, I just keep doing what I love, you know, and then, like, whatever happens, happens. And it's just. I've been very blessed and lucky in my life. Yeah. [00:07:20] Speaker A: I think that this project is almost as. Maybe the most personal that we as fans have gotten out of you with. From the title track. From Secondhand Smoke to Baby Mama to Iod On Y ou to Devil Ain't Done to Break Me First. I mean, it's all stuff where you're singing about yourself, your family experiences. Why Secondhand Smoke as the. [00:07:44] Speaker B: As the title track just tells the story, you know, it's just like. It's just a story of growing. Like, how I grew up just being poor and my mom being a single mom, raising all of us, you know, like she did. She just did such an amazing job. And then me just. I've never heard secondhand smoke is a good thing. And I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it just was never such a negative thing to me, because smoking for my mom was like a mental health exercise. Yeah. And she worked two jobs. She raised three kids. She didn't have a lot of time. The very few minutes she got, it was a pack of cigarettes. It was our front porch that was a glue that held us together. So for me, secondhand smoke wasn't a big priority on my list because I knew what it did for my mom. Yeah. And I know that if she didn't have those cigarettes, I don't think she would have been able to do all the things she was able to do and all work, all the hours she was able to work. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yeah, man. And it's like that. That feeling of familiarity and nostalgia and comfort, it brings you back to your childhood and your adolescent years. [00:08:45] Speaker B: I'm sure when I listen to that song, it just. I go back and I think about those days, like, as a kid and the struggles and the grind. And that's like, why I love that song, because I think it's the most Authentic. I mean, the whole EP is pretty like authentic. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:00] Speaker B: But that song I think tells my story best. And it tells more than just me. It's like multiple characters of my past. Yeah. [00:09:07] Speaker A: And another one talking about your mom, Baby Mama. That's a heavy one. I was listening to that. I've been, I've been trying to get more into my fit life and I know we've, we've seen each other at Planet Fitness out here in the Herm, which they've updated that place. I don't know if you've been in there at all recently. I did a full renovation. [00:09:23] Speaker B: I haven't been there since that. Because I showed up one day and I couldn't get in and I was like, I guess I can never come back, but at least I can go back now. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Yeah, they got like, they got like a, they got like a full like CrossFit thing in there. But I was, I've been walking around the neighborhood, I've been trying, my girlfriend's to. Been trying pushing me to like go around and, and do. Do power walking and all that. So I was listening to the EP through and when Baby Mama came on and just listening to the story of, of that song. And again, it's like, it's a tribute to your mom. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's really funny because I remember writing like, let's say Secondhand Smoke. Like when I wrote Secondhand Smoke, I was so excited to show my mom. And I remember I'm driving back to the house, I'm like, this song's so special. I set up the Bluetooth speaker. You know, me and my mom were headbanging a little bit. You know, we're doing one of these. And then like the chorus, she just goes like this crazy look. And I was like, what the heck was that? So when the song ends, I was like, what do you think about. She's like, you gonna put that out? You know, it's funny cuz like the lyrics is like, she said the world was mean. She said the world was cold. Least of my worries was secondhand smoke. I'm saying that like I didn't care. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker B: But she thought I was saying like, I'm gonna smoke around you and you just gotta deal with it. Like, she like freaked out. She's like, I didn't tell you the second hand smoke was good. I was like, that's not what I'm saying, mom. But I remember like, I wanted that reaction. Like I thought it would go a lot better. And I was like. So we went back to the studio and we wrote Baby Mama. Cause I was like, I need something that I just know puts a smile on her face. And after everything she's done for me, she deserves a song like that. And like, when we wrote Baby Mama, I showed it to her, she cried a little bit, hugged it out, and I was like, I know you think this song special. Why don't you just send me some voicemail, some. Something you would just say to me, some cute voicemail, and I'll put you on the song. She's like, really? And so, like, she sent me four of them. The fourth one was perfect. And I was like, that's the. That's it. And she went ahead and sent me 50 more even. I just want to make sure it's perfect. So, mom, if you're watching this, I definitely use the 50th one and not the fourth one. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Is she still back in Colorado? Is she out here in Tennessee with you? [00:11:23] Speaker B: Retired her. She's here. [00:11:24] Speaker A: She's here. [00:11:25] Speaker B: Quit her job. I give her money every month. [00:11:26] Speaker A: I was like, bro, that's freaking huge. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Best day of my life, man. There's. I mean, country radio could be a strong number two. And the playlisting. Strong number two. Anything in my career that happens every cool moment is going to have to take a backseat to retire in my mom. Cuz that's the whole reason I started this thing, is to just be able to be Atlas for her. Hold the world up. Yeah. And I think that's like, I've accomplished the things that I sat out initially, and now it's just like, what's the cool stuff we could do now? You know, how far can we take it? [00:11:57] Speaker A: How long ago was it that you got to retire your mom? [00:12:00] Speaker B: Two years ago. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Two. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Wow. [00:12:02] Speaker A: It's been two years. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Two years. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:04] Speaker B: It's so funny because I retired her, she stopped working, and I was like, all right. And she's never. She's never at my house because she's like, I'm going to go take care of my parents. I was like, of course you are. Of course you could keep working. Yeah, but it's really sweet. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Over. Yeah, man. I mean, that's. That's just that. That mentality of always. Of always working and she probably doesn't know how to just sit and take the time for herself, right? [00:12:27] Speaker B: No, she doesn't. I mean, this. I think, like, when she's done taking care of her parents, she'll come back and she'll like. I could see her being a Walmart greeter. Whatever the heck she wants to be. [00:12:35] Speaker A: You know, just to brighten, like, just brighten somebody's day. Just do something. [00:12:39] Speaker B: I could see her, like, going back to school. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, she used to. Her job was a teacher for special ed. So, like, the rewards, I think, of helping children that really need it. Like, she would come home just smiling and just so happy when she could break through. Yeah. And, like, it was either she was smiling or she was, like, getting bit and she was crying because she couldn't figure it out, but she was. She's always loved a challenge, and I think she'll probably go back to doing something that just helps people. Yeah. [00:13:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's important, man. Another one that I know. I mean, they're all. These are all incredible songs, but Art of Love, Letting Go, I Know is another deep, deep family song. [00:13:22] Speaker B: That was hard, man. Like, that one. Usually when I write something or when I go through something, I use. I, like, use music to write my way through something or, like, get through an emotion I'm feeling, get on the page. Because if I get it on the page, I don't have to be a jerk in real life, you know, If I can just get over here. I'm not, like, you know, projecting on people. Yeah, that one, man. That one I ran from for a couple of years because I didn't really want to dive into it. Just. It was just too hard to, like. I don't think I fully understood what was happening. And there was so much guilt and so much. There's just so much pain around that song. And I remember the first time we wrote it, like, my homie Lou Ridley came in, and she was like, she knows I lost my sister. She's like, what's right about that? And then she just lost someone she loved. And I was like, all right, let's try it then. And then also Lydia Vaughn was there. And then we all just walked out with this song. But I cried. Paid me five times while writing it. Like, it was, like, tough to write that song, but I'm glad we did it because it's. It's gonna help a lot of people. Like, right now, we're teasing it on TikTok, and they had one that really started going, and people are just commenting who they lost, the date they lost, and do addiction. [00:14:31] Speaker A: And that, to me, is the biggest power of what you have as Atlas. It's your. You hold the world for. For your mom and. And your family and those that you care about, but you're holding the world for so many people who come from your situation and who have experienced the things that you've experienced. And it's making a difference, man. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Thanks, man. [00:14:49] Speaker A: I'm sure you see it at the live show. I'm sure you see it at the meet and greets. I'm sure you get messages on messages on messages where people identify and relate and you bring them comfort, man. That's powerful. [00:15:04] Speaker B: And why are you so sweet to me? [00:15:06] Speaker A: Because you're so sweet to me, bro. You give the best hugs in Nashville. [00:15:10] Speaker B: That's right. Now I do. Gotta give that to Shelly. She works at bbr. She's. She does the hug, the two handed, but then she puts some cheek in it. [00:15:18] Speaker A: Oh, that's what it is. [00:15:20] Speaker B: A cheek hug too. [00:15:20] Speaker A: The little cheek. [00:15:21] Speaker B: I just learned the cheek hug with the two arms. Like I'm. She's always given like a firm hug. [00:15:26] Speaker A: And a firm handshake, but that cheek. That's what I felt different when you walked in here. [00:15:30] Speaker B: I learned it. Yeah. I was like, Shelly showed me the cheek and then the. And the next time I met her, I was like, we're on the same level. She threw the cheek and then a kiss on the cheek. And I was like, this is crazy. I just can't. I can't be. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:39] Speaker B: She's always one up in me. Shelly, why you always one up in me? [00:15:42] Speaker A: Always. They always got to do it, man. They always got to do it. Devil Ain't Done and the fact that it's on has 57 ads and he's getting played around the country. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's. That's unbelievable, man. I mean, I don't know like that. I know that song like just in terms of just like ear warm me. Like when I go through the EP and I go through the album, I just kept going back to that one. Yeah. Like, you know the folder you have like in your downloads of like unreleased music or people sending music demo jail. Yeah, that's like I was going through the album before or the EP before it came out, and it just kept going back to that. Like if they had an app that tracked how many minutes I've listened to Devil Ain't Done, dude, I'd be embarrassed, bro. It's. I love that song. [00:16:27] Speaker A: So why that one? As the, as the big push to radio, as the introduction to the commercial world of Atlas. [00:16:34] Speaker B: I think it's a good. I think a lot of this EP and a lot of the album is just. It's really personal, which I think is great. But I think this is a really good gateway to the ep. Like if. If this EP was like a house definitely does the doorway and then the rooms are like the loss of my sister, my mom and her relationship with smoking and you know, like, iod, you know, my. My relationship and the love for the woman I found and like, there's like, everything is so personal and that one kind of like allows you to get into the door. I think it's an easier way because I don't think the first thing you want to hear is hard letting go, you know, just hit you in the face with it. [00:17:10] Speaker A: Yeah, man. I mean, did you ever imagine that you would be on the radio with like, you're. There's your big. The way that I got connected with you were songs like, oh, no, and you're an effing bitch and that stuff to now fast forward. You're commercially on the radio and doing big time interviews when your introduction was you're a fucking bitch. [00:17:35] Speaker B: You know, I think it's funny because I think like, it's so. The music's different, but I think like, it comes from the same place. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Like, when I got cheated on that song, I. I wrote that song and a couple other songs just like that to just kind of like get me through the anger of that and the pain of that. And it's like. I think it's really funny because that song is like who I was when I was 24. Yeah. But it's not who I am now that I'm like 33. And I found the love of my life, you know, I found someone I'd never write a song like that about, you know? [00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker B: But it's just like. I think it's just. You get to see chapters of. Of growth and just like who I am as a person. And I think that, like, art of letting go and you're a bitch kind of come from the same place. It's just a place of pain or whatever I'm trying to deal with. But yeah, I mean, it's. I'm definitely grown up for surely getting a little older. [00:18:25] Speaker A: Isn't it. Isn't it crazy thinking back though? [00:18:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:29] Speaker A: To driving the. Driving the. The UPS truck in Colorado and going over to your buddy's house or like the basement and like just grinding and doing videos and. Yeah. To Jelly. Reaching out and like, just how it's all happened, bro. And it's still just getting started in so many ways. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Yeah. It's just. I never thought I'd be here, you know, I think. I mean, part of Me was like, I want to work towards it, and I'm going to put the work in and I'm going to try to make it. But when you finally, like, get to a place where, like, you look back and it's funny because I don't really get time to appreciate my achievements because I'm always trying to figure out what do I have to do next. But when I look back at where I was, I mean, it's pretty crazy thinking now we got 50 ads, first week of 57 ads on country radio for Devil Ain't Done. So that's like. I don't know. It's almost like, pinch me, I'm dreaming type stuff, you know? Yeah. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Have you fully acclimated to being a Tennessee and you think? [00:19:26] Speaker B: A little bit. A little bit. I'm never gonna let go of Colorado, you know, that's. [00:19:30] Speaker A: How often. How often do you get home? [00:19:33] Speaker B: Well, now that my mom's moved, a little less than I should, but I'll. I'll get back. Usually, like, holidays, I'll visit for a little bit. Right now I'm just locked into this, like, working thing, you know? [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker B: But I don't know. I could. I could see myself going back one day. [00:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:48] Speaker B: I think about it sometimes. Yeah. [00:19:50] Speaker A: What are your. What do you miss most about it now that mom's out here with you? [00:19:54] Speaker B: Green chili. [00:19:55] Speaker A: Green chili. [00:19:57] Speaker B: And I don't want to hear salsa verde. It's not the same thing. Okay. Green chili, Colorado staple. It's goaded. It's not here. Mexican food there in Colorado is incredible. Mexican food here in Nashville sucks. Really? [00:20:09] Speaker A: I think this is some of the. And again, I come from New York, so we're closer to south of the border being down here. The Mexican food down here for me is some of the best that I've ever had. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:19] Speaker A: I mean, I love the Mexican food down here, but again, I'm a New York guy. [00:20:23] Speaker B: Maybe I'm not giving it a shot. I think it's like there's a nostalgia with green chili. It was my favorite thing growing up. And it's like, I feel like it's only, like, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming. Those are, like, the only states that really have it. It's like this roasted hatch green chilies with some flour in there to make it more of a gravy chili. [00:20:40] Speaker A: So you, like, eat. Are you, like, eat. Are you, like, dipping chips in there or are you putting it on stuff? [00:20:44] Speaker B: Smothering burritos, Putting it in. [00:20:46] Speaker A: I mean, it's the topping. [00:20:47] Speaker B: It's like Ranch dude, you put it on everything, bro. You know, I mean, it's. If you don't have it, your food's not good. You know, it's like a way that. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Somebody could send you the, the chili verde. [00:20:57] Speaker B: So, you know, it's. So John Lova. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:01] Speaker B: Head of bbr, BMG North America. He like got me a really awesome gift. He found green chili in Nashville somehow. [00:21:09] Speaker A: Oh. [00:21:09] Speaker B: And like gave me as a present. And I was like, what the heck? And I like. I remember I went home, made a bunch of tacos. I just sent in videos of all I. I maybe ate like 5, 000 calories that night. Just being like, I'm never gonna have another shot to eat this again or it's gonna be like a year. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Did he tell you where he got it or is he gatekeeping it from you? [00:21:26] Speaker B: He's gatekeeping it. [00:21:27] Speaker A: He's gatekeeping it. [00:21:28] Speaker B: No, no, I think he told me. I think he told me. I was gonna say it was like. Was it like Chew Chews? Is it? C H U I. Chewy's is the. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Place that has it. [00:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Apparently. Apparently if someone comes in twice a week and just makes. A person comes in, some like older lady comes in, makes it for them. [00:21:45] Speaker A: Wow. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Because the restaurant don't know how to do it and then they just, they only have it for a couple days a week. And I was like, what? [00:21:51] Speaker A: I was not expecting Chewy's to be the. I was thinking be down in Antioch, down in the barrio somewhere. [00:21:57] Speaker B: He got me like four containers of it. So I put three containers in the fridge and the freezer. Cuz it goes bad in like three days. [00:22:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:04] Speaker B: I got a free like in the freezer. So whenever I need to have another like day of just eating the whole thing, I might just eat the whole thing with nothing on. [00:22:11] Speaker A: I gotta try this. [00:22:12] Speaker B: So good, dude. [00:22:13] Speaker A: I gotta. I gotta come over for a damn taco night. Cuz you're, Cuz you're out this way, right? [00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:19] Speaker A: You're like right here. Yeah. Easter town, man. [00:22:22] Speaker B: That's a five minute drive, bro. [00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah, five minute drive for me too. We're probably freaking neighbors, dog. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Why haven't I been to your place? Right? [00:22:28] Speaker A: I don't know why? Yeah, that's. I don't know my place. My place just has a bunch of, bunch of cases of Surfside and Razor Outy merchandise. There ain't too much with the place. But I mean you can come over, drink some Surfside, bring some chili Bear, you have a party. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Surfside? Where's My cases, we can work on that, man. [00:22:46] Speaker A: How's the road been this year? [00:22:48] Speaker B: The road? I mean, you've been. [00:22:49] Speaker A: You've been out on tour a lot, or has it been more focusing on the music side of it? [00:22:52] Speaker B: Well, we just. We just. We just, like. We've been, like, doing the radio stuff and just trying to get radio, and we've been more focused on. Figure out that side of it and, like, folks in and getting the ep right. Yeah. Because like I said. You said earlier, you said that this was one of the most, like, personal albums. It really is the first time I've really dived into some of the intense, personal stuff. It almost feels like a biography of my life, I think, just really focusing on the direction of where I wanted to go with this album. And we just have so many things that we're doing right now that we're gonna be touring soon, though, you know, I just want to make sure the new music's good enough and people want to hear it. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you get to do any of the road this year? We did Tailgates and Tall. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Yes, we did, like, we did six shows outside of that. We just did the Nashville one on Thursday last week. [00:23:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is the me. This was the music year. And next year is when you get back out. [00:23:45] Speaker B: We'll get back out there. Yeah. Yeah. Next year we'll get back out there for sure. [00:23:47] Speaker A: That tailgate show was unbelievable, by the way. Really, Bloomington was a different animal this year. [00:23:54] Speaker B: That was such a good. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Bloomington Wild this year. [00:23:57] Speaker B: I mean, that lineup was crazy chaos, man. [00:24:00] Speaker A: And it was awesome to get to introduce you on a stage like that. Like, whenever we get to cross paths at different festivals or events like that, it's always special. But that crowd was feeling you, man. [00:24:13] Speaker B: They were. I was scared because my throat was so messed up. [00:24:16] Speaker A: I know you. I know. [00:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I was so scared. But I mean, it. I had about one show left in me before really bad stuff happened, so I was like, I gotta. I'll give them my all here. And then I gotta. I gotta not talk for two weeks. [00:24:27] Speaker A: How would you describe the Atlas crowd? Like, what do you think an Atlas fan acts like or. Or looks like or. Or feels like? [00:24:34] Speaker B: I don't know. I think that Atlas fan is just. It just could be from anywhere. I don't know. I don't. I look out and I just see tons of different types of people. I think it's just, like, people that are hurt and that comes in everywhere, you know? I don't know. Like, I just think that, like, I don't know if there's a certain fan. Like, I look out and I see the exact person multiplied by. Yeah. I don't know. I just think it's just normal people that just want to listen to music and be sad sometimes. [00:25:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Has there been a place where you've gotten to go and do a show where you're like, damn, I did not expect it to be like this. Like, a certain city or place that you showed up and the crowd was just like a show that stands out. Outside of the home state or outside of Nashville. Yeah. Outside of Colorado or being here in. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Nashville, I'd say Omaha. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Omaha, they love me. [00:25:22] Speaker B: I mean, dude, we, like, we. We showed up and we sold out a club there and like, that before we sold it out with, like. I think it was like 200 people. And we did a Sunday, which I think was really good for a Sunday. And then we, like, went there and we sold, like 500. And I was like, wow. I was just like, what the heck? And I wonder if we could sell more. Like, I don't know how many people would actually come to Omaha, but they just always show up. [00:25:44] Speaker A: Omaha, Nebraska, literal Middle America, like, dead center of the country. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Those are my guys. Those are my guys. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Have you had a chance to play any of the new tracks? I mean, I'm sure in Nashville this past week. What. What? Was there a certain song that felt the best of. Of this new batch? Like a moment in the live show that stood out? [00:26:05] Speaker B: I would say, well, one Devil has so much energy, and those drums are so. Yeah. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Oh, that's heavy. You and the boys are rock. [00:26:12] Speaker B: Such a banger. But there's one that's on the album coming out later next year. Spare key, Spared key. It's not an ep, that one. Every time we play, it's like, this one's special. This one's crazy. So, like, I would say that's one. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So this. So this ep, six songs. How many tracks are we looking at for the album? [00:26:37] Speaker B: 15. [00:26:37] Speaker A: 15. Okay. So we're not even. This isn't even a halfway taste of it. [00:26:41] Speaker B: You got nine more, and they're. They're pretty good, man. I mean, I don't think we. I think we have a lot of good stuff on the next nine that'll be released over next year. So that Pretty pumped about it. I don't know. This is the best album. I mean, we put so much work in this album. I think January, I booked 60 songwrites. Wow. January. And I was just like, let's just, let's just write this thing. I know I signed my first deal with. With a company that just believes in me and loves me. And I was like, the idea of even letting them down and not bring a project that's good enough or, you know, And I also think that if there's a difference between me now and me, then I think I figured out what I want to write about, and I figured out that I want to help people, I want to impact people. Because I think after I retired my mom, I was in this weird limbo for a couple years where it's like, what do I do now? I just. I did everything that I wanted. [00:27:34] Speaker A: I hit the goal. [00:27:35] Speaker B: I hit the goal. I think the new goal with Atlas is now it's like I came from nothing and now I get to. And I'm holding the world on my shoulders. Right. But everyone is dealing with their own stuff. Everyone's holding something up. And just because you come from a place that's hard and it's more difficult for you to do these kind of things doesn't mean you can't. I kind of want to be like. I want people to be able to look at me and think that they could do it too. Yeah, they could be Atlas, because we're all holding the world or whatever our world is. And I think that's what I want now. And I think it's just me being honest about where I come from and being like, look, this is. This is how I grew up. There's a lot of people out there that grew up like me that think they can't do anything great, but it's not true. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Talk about. And we talked about it years ago on. On the first. Our round one that we did together on this podcast. But getting that message. What was that? [00:28:28] Speaker B: Can I get one more? [00:28:29] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. You mind passing them, Getting them another. Either it's a lemonade or. We got the lemonades, the green teas. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Why are these so good? [00:28:37] Speaker A: Cuz they're. They're surf sides. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Give them that. We'll give them the iced tea. Give him a little. A little T action. [00:28:43] Speaker B: I might just need the variety pack. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Oh, we'll give. We'll give you some. You see, we got plenty of them over there. But talk about having a guy like Jelly reach out and be in your. Be in your corner. And he's another guy that has very humble beginnings, comes from a similar place, has been through trials and tribulations, and has come out on the other side. And now to be at the, at the label that you're at, which he is also at. [00:29:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Talk about just how. Take us back to a few years ago when, when he first reaches out to you and he got. You got to go up and perform at Red Rocks with him. Every Colorado kid's dream. Like insane. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, be. So I, I say 25. I was like, I was gonna, I'm gonna be Atlas. I'm gonna go do this thing. I'm gonna do a soul career. And for a while there I was in a band. We were just homies, just kind of having fun messing around. But I was like, let me do this. Seriously. I started working two full time jobs, right? Because I had just one. I was working at FedEx Freight. [00:29:45] Speaker A: FedEx, not UPS. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Well, well. Oh. So I started working at FedEx, right? And I started booking studio time at a real studio. And it costs a lot of money because my thought process was like, I need to be using the mics that Taylor Swift uses or Justin Bieber, all these like whoever's who or Teddy Swims, like, what mics are they using? And I looked up the price of them online and I was like, I don't have that kind of money. So I had to like rent from a studio, like an hourly that has the equipment. So in the first two months, I went through my entire life savings just, just so I could, because I was recording eight hours every Saturday at a studio. And then I was like, I need more money. So like I had FedEx as my full time job just to pay the bills and, you know, help out. And I picked ups. [00:30:32] Speaker A: You're working for both. You're working for Coke and Pepsi of the freight carrying world. [00:30:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, couldn't tell. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah, of course not. Absolutely not, no. [00:30:43] Speaker B: But I, I picked up a job at UPS and then I put everything from there into studio. So I just booked every Saturday I booked 8 hours and every dollar I made at UPS went into studio time. And what I would do is I do on YouTube, I was doing a cover every week and then I would release an original once a month on all platforms. And I was like, this is my system, I'm stick to this. So Monday through Friday I was working 16 hours a day, and then Saturday was eight hours in the studio. And then Sunday we were filming content for it. So I think two years there I literally didn't have a day off, but I was just like locked in. And then we finally had one go and Jelly hits me up and he's like, hits me on instagram And I remember it's like 2am I remember waking up at 2am, which I think now that I know Jelly, at least at that time, that was like, 2:00pm for jelly. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, I remember, like, waking up, looking at my phone, seeing Jelly Roll text or like, an Instagram dm. And then I just went back to bed. And I remember being like, oh, that was a dream. I didn't even look at it for two days. Wow. And then just pops in my head a couple days later. I'm like, let me just check, right? So I go to Instagram and I'm like, oh, my God, it's real. And I left Jelly on red for two days, dude. I felt. [00:31:59] Speaker A: So you left jelly on red? [00:32:01] Speaker B: I was like, I didn't think it was real. I think it was real. Message said, call me, Bubba. Right? So I send him my number, right? And, you know, all of us are getting these scam calls, you know, if you ever tried to refinance a house, and all of a sudden you have 100 numbers texting you didn't ask for. Yeah. You know, there's numbers coming in all the time without names to it. So I'm, like, looking at the area code 615. I know my boys from Tennessee. He's from Nashville. And then two weeks later, I see it 615, and I was like, you know, and I, like, remember I was driving and I pulled over on the side of the road and I hit my lunch button and I was like, picked it up and I hear, is, how you doing, Bubba? And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, jelly Roll, look one, I love you two. Before we get into this, I have a heart out. In 30, I'm on my lunch break. [00:32:50] Speaker A: He still. [00:32:50] Speaker B: He's like, what? What are you talking about? I started going on, well, I'm a truck driver just a bunch. And then you just. Jelly was like, kid, you got a gold record. What are you doing driving trucks for a living? And then I was like, well, I just started blab, you know, I mean, just basically saying, I've had this steady paycheck my whole life. I'm scared of this because it might go away, you know? [00:33:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:10] Speaker B: And he goes, well, who's your team? Because he stopped me. Because I started, like, talking fast, making no sense. He's like, who's your team? And I was like, well, my two homies from high school, they film stuff for me and we post it, and they just. They just believe in me. And that's. That's My team. He's like, that's it? I was like, yeah. So that's how I got. He's like, bub, I need you to meet some people. So he flew me out to Nashville, put me up in, like, a suite. The nicest hotel room I've ever been in. Square footage of this hotel room was bigger than the trailer I grew up in. Wow. I. I mean, I was, like, an avid Motel 6 goer. So for me to be in a hotel that doesn't have bedbugs, it's crazy, you know? But he just brought me over and he introduced me to Money Matt, and was like, matt's gonna get you to where you need to go. And then from there, I met Matt, and we've been building connections, and that's why I moved to Nashville. Like, without Jelly, I wouldn't be on country radio. The funny thing is, I didn't even tell vbr, which were at the same label, that I knew Jelly beforehand. It just kind of happened naturally, and then they got to find out later after they signed me, which I think was awesome. [00:34:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:12] Speaker B: It just feels like a. You know, God works in mysterious ways because it's like, what a moment, you know what I mean? For me to be able to be at the label that Jelly went to and to be in Nashville because of Jelly and all these things, it's just like, God gives you opportunities, and I got to just experience that. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah, man. That's powerful. [00:34:31] Speaker B: But, I mean, Jelly. Jelly's been a. And he brought me out to Red Rocks. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:36] Speaker B: And, like, Jelly has just been. Been a soldier for me. Just done whatever he can and give, gives me advice whenever I need it. And I'm so proud of seeing where he's at now, because when he called me son of the center, just got to radio like mine did. What Devil Ain't Done just did. So, like, I remember he just started going to radio, and then he just took over the world, man. But he. That's his work ethic. That's because everyone loves him, and he loves everyone, and he. He deserves it. I'm just so proud of him. [00:34:59] Speaker A: I think so much of it is that he came from the struggle of not having. Not having anything. You know, it's like you. When you come from that place, I'm sure there's just. There's just a mindset of, like, I gotta keep working, I gotta keep grinding. [00:35:15] Speaker B: You know his song Smile? [00:35:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Off the new album? I mean, that's my favorite song in terms of just, like, what connected to me because it's like, dude, when you grow up in the worst conditions and life is that hard, when you get to this side of it, bro, of course I'm smiling, dude. Of course I have fomo. Of course I'm gonna work, bro. I know what it's like to be at the worst, to be at the bottom, and that's what Jelly has. And I think that's why he works so hard, and that's why he's such a good person. That's why he's always just. He doesn't stop. No, because it's like the fear of going back. That's a real fear, man. So it's like I. I get. I mean, Jelly's incredible. For Jelly to have the redemption story. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:55] Speaker B: For Jelly to like. Because I think the way that we grew up was similar, but I. I just stayed out of all the BS going on around me. Jelly fell into it, but was able to eventually get his way out. And I think that's even harder. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:12] Speaker B: To find a way to go, to get people to trust you again, people to love you again after you've been down the wrong path, is nearly impossible. But he was able to do it. That's, like, enough. I mean, about that. No, dude, I just love Jelly, man. [00:36:32] Speaker A: I always categorize Jelly. Like, when you go to a Jelly show, he's up there preaching. You see people smiling, you see people crying. You see people holding up signs of people that they've lost. And it's. It's a spiritual experience, going to a Jelly Roll show. And I think that's what you're building with your show by having songs like Art of Letting Go out to the World, man. You know, you. You want the people in the crowd to feel something, and they're gonna spend their hard earned dollar to come and watch you and your boys play a show. Like, it's. It's an experience, man. And I think that's the following that you're building it. It's very similar. I mean, do you still have that fear of. Of falling back like you were just talking about? [00:37:16] Speaker B: I'll always have it. I'll always have the fear of losing it, because I just didn't have it before. And, like, I think I go back to truck driving, but I don't want to. You know, it's not my goal. But, like, I just. When you're. When you're on the other side of it, you just. You just do anything to not. But there's always that fear. I'll always have that fear. There's Always a little bit of that. Like, what if it all goes away? And I think it's been long enough now since I've had a moment and since the music's been building that I don't think I'm ever gonna go back to square one. But it's like, it's a. It's a thought I can't get out of my head. Which is why for me, I always show up. Like, if I can, if I have time, even if I have like a 14 hour day, if someone wants me to do something for two hours, I'll throw it in there because I'm like, if I don't do that and then for some reason I fall off, I'll always blame myself because it was that two hour window would have changed everything, you know, like, that's like the way my mind works is unhealthy. But yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker A: What's it like having a good woman in your corner? [00:38:16] Speaker B: You. [00:38:17] Speaker A: You talk about IOD on yo U and, and having your, having your lady and just having that support system at home. [00:38:26] Speaker B: It's nice. It's weird. It's weird to have someone that just cares about you so much and that like, cares about your mental health and, and sticks through you when things get tough. Because I think a lot of my relationships early, it was like when things were hard, there was never a communication or working through it. And I could be hard to date, I think sometimes because I'm always so career driven and I'm always so focused on everything else but my relationship. [00:38:48] Speaker A: Dating an artist is hard. Whether it's a guy or a girl, it's tough. [00:38:52] Speaker B: It's hard dating me specifically and the fact that I'm an artist now, I mean, it's just like I'm. My mind's always on something else and I'm. And I'm trying to work on being more present because I think that's important. But I mean, this is the first time we've. I've been able to have a conversation when things are tough and we actually like work through them, which is just. It's nice to know that like it can chicken at the van and we can still work through it. [00:39:17] Speaker A: The fact that that's even possible. Yeah, because like, that's hard to find, man. That's hard to find. [00:39:23] Speaker B: I think when I was younger I was just like, it should be perfect. You should never fight. None of this stuff should happen. But it's like, no, you're gonna fight, you're gonna disagree. You're two completely separate humans. Yeah, that have to figure out how to live together. There's gonna be friction, but you gotta be able to like work through it and know that like the goal at the end of the day is to just get better and be better for both of you. And I think there's compromise there and it's. Compromise is not easy, you know, so. [00:39:49] Speaker A: It'S like, it's, it's a learned thing. [00:39:51] Speaker B: It's a bad. It's a learned thing. And like when I forever I thought if you have to change even one bit, that's not good for you. It's like, no, you should, you should probably learn to change. You should both learn to change and meet in the middle. But yeah, that's. It's just, it's incredible. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Yeah. What do you like doing when you're at the crib? Just chilling. Video game guy. You, you're building stuff. I think last time I was talking to you, you were building something in the backyard. [00:40:17] Speaker B: I'm building the studio. [00:40:18] Speaker A: You're building the studio? Yeah. [00:40:19] Speaker B: That's been quite an expensive project though. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Studios. This is expensive. Yeah, studios are expensive. [00:40:27] Speaker B: There's a temporary hold on it. Cuz I, for some reason I was like, I need to put a studio an acre back in my yard so that like I don't wake my mom up or the, or the fam. So if I want to work, I'm not like, you know, just destroying the lives of everyone else in the house of me, you know? [00:40:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:42] Speaker B: So it's taking a little bit of time, but it's going to be worth it. We're probably a couple more years out because I'm. I wanted to be in like I wanted to be the studio, my dream. So it's. Yeah, I put a lot of money in and I got a long way to go. [00:40:53] Speaker A: Yeah, but what do you like doing? Like you watch, watching TV kind of guy. You're reading books, cooking. What are you doing? [00:41:00] Speaker B: I love tv. I've been doing cooking a lot. [00:41:02] Speaker A: Really? What have we been showing up in the kitchen? [00:41:04] Speaker B: Oh, just the, the worst tasting things. I'm like, I'm always just trying to make high protein, low calorie to the point where it doesn't taste good. And then I make it like these super low calorie things. Like I'm gonna lose weight and I can eat like a hundred of these and then they taste so bad that I end up going to Taco Bell and it doesn't matter. [00:41:20] Speaker A: That stays open late here in Hermitage, bro. [00:41:24] Speaker B: Taco Bell don't be open so Late, near me, right? You're dangerous. [00:41:27] Speaker A: McDonald's 24 hours. I got a water burger. [00:41:29] Speaker B: Now I got goals and you keep ruining them. Talk about. [00:41:31] Speaker A: Honestly, dude, it's right there. They do those little. They do those little nine dollar boxes. It's like, that's a great value. Of course I'm gonna get the nine dollar box. [00:41:38] Speaker B: I feel like every month some limited time thing, I've never. It's. It's the same combination of things, but it's a little different. Yeah. And whenever I see something new at Taco Bell, I just have to do it. [00:41:49] Speaker A: You have to try it. Yeah. [00:41:50] Speaker B: I mean, for like, you know, it's crazy. Went out from like 20 to 21. I got out. I remember my. I was like just working on the dock. Wasn't making crazy money, but like it used to be a beefy five layer for $1. Wow. And I remember I would buy. I go breakfast, lunch, dinner, and I would just spend three bucks a day on food. I would just eat three beefy five layers. That was like my, like for a whole year. I think I went to Taco Bell every day for like. I know there was a streak of 50 once. Me and my buddy were trying to like, wow. I don't know. It's bad. [00:42:23] Speaker A: But, but, but when you're balling on a budget and you're working weird hours, it's there. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Look, Taco Bell has just always been there for me, you know? Has it been good for me? I don't know, but it's always been there for me. [00:42:35] Speaker A: No, bro. Yeah. Whenever there's limited stuff, limited time stuff, I have to go and check it out. Like when KFC did those snack wrap things or like KFC did like the ch. Chicken wrap things, I went and did that. McDonald's got those damn snack wraps back. Had to go and do that, you know. [00:42:52] Speaker B: What was the KFC one that was like the chicken was the buns. It was two. [00:42:56] Speaker A: Oh, I never had that. No, it was, it was like the buns were two pieces of chicken. [00:43:00] Speaker B: And then there was stuff. [00:43:01] Speaker A: It's diabolical, dude. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that one got me that. I was just like, I never seen anything like it. I gotta try it. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Water burger with their, with their Dr. Pepper milkshake things. It's like, I gotta try all these. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Things, but they're so bad for you, Waterbird. For a while I was like, I don't think it's for me. Then I realized they have jalapeno ranch. Yeah, I should put that on the. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Those are People. You like the spicy. You like spicy things that are bad for you. Atlas. [00:43:23] Speaker B: That's that we don't talk about hobbies, dude. I just eat peppers just because I'm crazy. Like, I want to eat the hottest thing always. Like, when we were in New York and we did a show, we had this thing called Fall Curry at like. Like, Brick House Curry. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:36] Speaker B: In New York and stuff. [00:43:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that was hot. [00:43:38] Speaker B: But it was like they brought it out on a robot. Like, a guy won't even touch the curry they gave me. And, like, I ate that and I shouldn't have, but I just don't know. [00:43:47] Speaker A: So you'll eat, like, the crazy, like, ghost pepper things, like the cat. Like, what is it? The Carolina Reaper. Like, all that stuff. [00:43:54] Speaker B: I mean, when I go to. When I go to bdubs, I get the blazing wings. Just like on a normal day. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Really just give you the blaze. I can't do that. I'm not a spicy guy. So you go to hot chicken, you're getting the hottest. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Yeah, well, different, though, because that oil, bro, I always. That oil does not feel good. I tried to shut the cluck up at. At. So I'm okay. So I remember because I think. I think spice is, like, a learned thing. If. If, like, for a while there, I couldn't even eat mild. But if you eat something really spicy every day stops being spicy within, like, three weeks. You're crushing, Right? I got to, like, my. I ate some blazing wings, and I was like, I don't even taste it. Could have been covet. Could have been. My spice level went up. I don't know. I just remember being like, I've done it. I'm at the top of Mount Spice, and I have, like a. I have to go to LA for a meeting. And I get to the airport and I got like, an hour and a half wait. And I see Hattie B's. And I go, I just ate the blazing wings. Let me get the. Shut the cluck up. Before the airplane, before I get on the flight, I eat this thing. And I should have known because the. The. The. Like, the cook came out and watched me eat it. He was like, I gotta see this. And I was like, there's no way. And I'm eating this thing, dude. And, oh, my. It is ungodly hot. And, like, we're talking, like, it's big, crunchy chicken. So it's like, at some point, it's so hot that my jaw stops working and I can't bite through the big chicken. I finally get it down and I'm dying. And then I'm like. But then the oil that it sits in, I think that's why hot chicken kind of it. My stomach doesn't like it. Yeah. And I think 20 minutes for the flight. I hit the bathroom, I started puking, and it was just as hot coming up. And I was like, this is brutal. [00:45:37] Speaker A: No. [00:45:38] Speaker B: And I get on the flight, you know, and it was like, it was Southwest, and I had, like. I had, like. I checked in and I had like a 51. I get out the bathroom and I'm in the seas. So now I'm in the middle seat. You know, I'm just sitting there. [00:45:52] Speaker A: Middle seat and flying to la. [00:45:53] Speaker B: I'm just sitting there and it's a long flight and I'm like, this sucks. And I'm just, like, trying to sleep. Like, don't think about it. Don't think about it. Don't think about it. And I'm holding it in. I feel like puking, but I'm holding it in. We're descending, and that just does something. My stomach. And I'm holding it in. And we're about two minutes from landing. I was like, I need you to move. And I, like, go. And then I'm running the bathroom. She says, we're landing. You got it. Get back in your seat. And I was like, I'm going to puke. And she's like, get in there and close the door and don't come out until we're at the gate. You know what I mean? She just screams. And I get in there, I lock it, and I just start puking. And then while we're landing, we hit it. And I'm like, I'm in the bathroom. Just. I mean, these chugs are going everywhere, man, it was tough. [00:46:38] Speaker A: Damn. [00:46:39] Speaker B: And I was so embarrassed because then once I was done puking, I had to wait for everyone to get off because I didn't even want to look at people. I was like. I was like, I want them to see me. Oh, man, that's. I know. Now, just don't. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Just don't do it. [00:46:50] Speaker B: Don't do the hottest chicken at Nashville. Like, Nashville hot. I love it. It's great kick. [00:46:56] Speaker A: It's exactly reasonable. Yeah. [00:46:59] Speaker B: But the ones above it, I mean, the oil in it, it just. It hits different. Yeah. [00:47:05] Speaker A: Do you put the spicy stuff in ranch or blue cheese or any of that, or do you just raw dog it? [00:47:09] Speaker B: I draw it. Yeah. Like, if we're doing Nashville hot. But, like, the other stuff, there's nothing else helps. [00:47:15] Speaker A: Nothing helps. [00:47:16] Speaker B: Nothing. I think when it's, like, super hot, it's the only time water makes sense to me because, like, when I start drinking soda, my soda is just flaming hot. Now it's flaming hot soda. [00:47:25] Speaker A: Flaming hot bubbles. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it just turns everything flaming. So at least water's like, just the only time I. And I hate drinking water. I should work on it. But I'm just such a. Like diet soda or surfside. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Nikki. Nikki T. Nikki T. Drinks copious amounts of Diet Coke. He calls them fridge sigs. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I call it. I call it. I hydrate with it. Little fridge things. [00:47:47] Speaker A: Yeah, fridge things. [00:47:48] Speaker B: That makes sense. [00:47:48] Speaker A: DC fridge things. He drinks a lot of Diet Coke back when he was living out here in Hermitage. And we do. Our office was. And was at his house. And we'd get together, and if we were out late at red doors or losers or somewhere late at night, then we'd. I'd swing on my way over to him, I'd swing through McDonald's. I'd get him a large Diet Coke and a McMuffin with a hash brown. I'd knock on his door, I'd slide, like, his stomach stuff in. And then I knew he'd be out in 15 minutes. He doesn't drink coffee. He's a Diet Coke guy, you know, it's like that's his hangover cure. That's how he gets through life. Diet Coke, diet soda. [00:48:23] Speaker B: I hit a soda every morning. Yeah, Give me that little. You know, I just hate the taste. [00:48:27] Speaker A: Of coffee, you know, I'm a big coffee guy. We got a lot of coffee place out here. A lot of coffee places out here in Hermitage. [00:48:34] Speaker B: What's the spot? [00:48:35] Speaker A: Elevate's pretty good. That little. It's a little. That's, like, right out here to the right. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Like it's a shed. [00:48:42] Speaker A: It's a coffee shed. [00:48:42] Speaker B: You drive through it four by six, probably. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Probably about. Yeah, like a legitimate shed. Like trailer park boys. Like bubbles of shed. Probably about that size. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Just some chemist in there. Yeah. [00:48:52] Speaker A: There's just people. And you drive. You drive through the window and they give you coffee. That's great. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Pretty sick. Yeah. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Look at you. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Supporting local. [00:49:00] Speaker A: I support local. [00:49:00] Speaker B: I'm proud of Hermitage. [00:49:02] Speaker A: No, I'm not touching that Starbucks. They got pumpkin spice at the local place. You know, I don't. I don't need. [00:49:07] Speaker B: I don't give into the community. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Yeah, giving to the community, man. Support your local Hermitage coffee shed. How many. How long you been here in Nashville now? How many years has it been? [00:49:18] Speaker B: I would Say, probably two years. [00:49:22] Speaker A: Two years. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Two and a half. Two and a half. [00:49:24] Speaker A: Two and a half years. So knowing what you know now, what's something that you would tell yourself back in summer of summer of 20? What would that be? Summer of 22. [00:49:38] Speaker B: You can quit your trucking job earlier. Yeah. Don't be so scared. No, I think. I think it would just been like, just believe in yourself. Just do it now. I think I was so scared to move here because it was just, like, leaving behind the life I. I knew. And that change is just scary, you know? But, like, being here, like, now with all the things happening that wouldn't happen if I'd have stayed in my bubble and if, like, Jelly never reached out or, you know, I would have been in that bubble forever. Yeah. And I think I would have really missed out on some really cool moments. And so I think just being like, hey, get to Nashville sooner. The second you have a moment, go out there. Yeah. Because I kept working. I kept working at FedEx for a long time. [00:50:20] Speaker A: When was. Yeah, when. When was your last. Your last shift driving a truck? [00:50:25] Speaker B: So when I first got out here, I was doing two weeks on, two weeks off. I was. I would go here for two weeks, and then I write with. With Matt, and then I would go back, and I would just, like, drive a truck. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Oh, you'd still. Wow. [00:50:37] Speaker B: When I finally quit was because I was. I had a tour coming, and I was like, I got tor. Now I have to do that. Because before I was like, I wasn't touring, so I was like. I don't know. There was just something. I didn't want to give up the old me a little bit in that way. And, like, I think when I finally went and started touring and came out here completely, I was able to be like, all right, let me just focus on this next chapter. Because I was just kind of trying to dip my feet in both chapters, you know? [00:51:03] Speaker A: But I feel like you're always gonna be you. Like, the old you versus the new you. You're you regardless, you know, like, you're still the same guy Mom's around. You've got her in a better. In an even better spot than. Than she's probably ever been in, you know, being retired and you're getting to do your music thing and not having to worry about spending eight hours of your Saturday in a studio that's. You have to support with a second job. You know, it's like you're still you. It's just. Life's a little. Life's. Life's. Gotten easier because of all the hard. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Work you put in, you know, a lot less stressful. [00:51:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:36] Speaker B: You know, but I wonder sometimes, how long do I get to be me? Because at some point, when do people change? You know, I don't. [00:51:43] Speaker A: I. I don't think the good ones do. I don't think I remember meeting Jelly for the first time at a. I think it was when. It was when one of the COVID projects came out, and it was at a bar down in Franklin. I remember hanging out with him and Yella and Struggle and I had crazy Ryan Nelson out with me, and he was. And same dude that I saw at Tailgates and Tall Boys, like, three years later, you know, like, the good. The good ones, you're. You're always going to be you, you know, I don't think it changes, man. I don't think any amount of success is going to change who you are. I mean that, you know? [00:52:16] Speaker B: I love that. [00:52:17] Speaker A: Yeah. You're always going to be Sean. You're always going to be Atlas. [00:52:19] Speaker B: If I change, I need you let me know. [00:52:20] Speaker A: Oh, we will. I think these guys will let you know, too. I think he will let you know if you change. He will call you. He will call you on your man. [00:52:28] Speaker B: He will. [00:52:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:29] Speaker B: I got a good team of people that just are honest with me and just, you know. But I guess I'm trying to stay me. Part of me feels like if I ever sell my Camry and get a nice car, I'm gonna be a jerk the next day. You know what I mean? Oh, really? [00:52:43] Speaker A: The Camry is what's holding it. The beater. [00:52:45] Speaker B: The only thing I got left is the beater. You know, the second I turn how many I turn it. [00:52:50] Speaker A: How many miles that thing got on it now? [00:52:52] Speaker B: 300,000. [00:52:53] Speaker A: Oh, and it's still got like another 300,000. That thing to a million. Like. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Like. [00:52:58] Speaker A: Like the truckers have the Million Mile Club. You put the Camry in the Million Mile Club. [00:53:02] Speaker B: It's right there, dude. The Camry, it's undefeated. [00:53:06] Speaker A: What car would you look at getting if you were to switch out of the beater? [00:53:10] Speaker B: I don't know. Like, I've always just been like, a car will get me to my job. So it's always been like, what's the gas mileage? What's this? You know, it's never been like, I need something more than a beater. But if there's ever a time where they're like, hey, you can go to the bar, drink, and it's legal for your Your car to drive you home. Just give me a waymo. You know what I mean? Let me. Let. Let me, like, do something different where it's like, oh, I'm tired, or I'm drinking tonight and I have to do a work event and my car just picks me up like that. When a car does that. [00:53:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:43] Speaker B: It's gonna be hard to be like, there's just so much you could do, you know? [00:53:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:48] Speaker B: The other part of me as a driver, I know I love driving. [00:53:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:51] Speaker B: So I think I would have, like, that car to just like, for business stuff or driving, like, long time. Like a long time. But, like, I would still have my beater to just like sometimes at like 12 o' clock when I can't sleep, I'll just drive because my brain's too wired and something exciting happened and I just need to, like. It's like a way of me, like, to calm me down. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Yeah, you'll just. You'll just head out. Head out east to the Mount Juliet and Gallatin and just go. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Plus, if we ever. If we ever have award shows, like, if I ever get to a Grammy, which I don't. Just seems impossible. [00:54:23] Speaker A: Grammy or CMA or any of those. [00:54:25] Speaker B: Pull up with the camera, you know. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Would be the most epic thing of all time. [00:54:31] Speaker B: With my luck, I bet it breaks on the way there. [00:54:34] Speaker A: You know, it'd be great if you got out of it and then you had to go park it and it just didn't start right on the red carpet. That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome, dude. Well, hey, I appreciate you coming on here and hanging out so much, man. Your family and, you know, anything we can ever do. But we just. We got to get together, eat some. Eat some chili verde. Get together. Let's just do it. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Chili. [00:54:56] Speaker A: Green chili. I thought it was chili verde. [00:54:58] Speaker B: No, no, it's not salsa verde. It ain't. I'm gonna have to show you. [00:55:00] Speaker A: It's green chili. Just straight green chili. Take the verde out. [00:55:04] Speaker B: We're not. [00:55:04] Speaker A: Verdict means green. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Look, here's the thing. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Chili verde is just green chili in Spanish, ain't it? [00:55:09] Speaker B: My guys is triggering me right now. It's triggering me. I'm seeing red. I'm not seeing green anymore. No, I'm gonna take you out. I'm gonna take you out. We're gonna go. Was it Chewy's? Is that what it is? Yeah, we're gonna go Chewy's. You're gonna experience green chili. All right? If you don't love it, I need you to lie to me. Okay. [00:55:27] Speaker A: I will. [00:55:28] Speaker B: I need you to. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Really, I will. [00:55:29] Speaker B: I know. I want you to be honest with me about all things except green chili. [00:55:32] Speaker A: Okay. All right. [00:55:33] Speaker B: To be fair, it's so good that if you don't like it, I'm gonna question our friendship. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Okay. [00:55:38] Speaker B: It's just a little bit. [00:55:39] Speaker A: A lot of pressure riding on this green jelly. [00:55:41] Speaker B: No pressure. [00:55:42] Speaker A: Well, dude, I appreciate you so much coming on and hanging out and congrats on everything. Seriously. Excited to do this again and a couple. Maybe we won't wait a couple years next time, but we'll. We'll get you back on. When you're. When you've got a. When. When Devil Ain't Done goes number one. I'm calling it right now. Manifested into the world. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Number one. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Number one. What would you do. What would you do if that song went number one? [00:56:04] Speaker B: Oh, man, I don't. I can't even picture it. You know what I mean? I'm just gonna. I can't get excited about things until they happen. Break my heart. Yeah, but I think. I mean, it's. We're gonna try. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Yeah, dude. [00:56:16] Speaker B: But I mean, that's a. That's a tough thing to do. Getting the number one is hard, so we'll definitely come back. There's a number one. We're back on the pod, dude, you know, that's awesome. Back here. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, dude. Well, I appreciate you so much. Happy to call you family and let's get together, eat some green chilies sometime. [00:56:33] Speaker B: Let's go. Love you, brother. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Love you, too, man. Y' all be sure to look up our man Atlas. If you're not following him already, you're living under a damn rifle rock. Go check out secondhand Smoke. New eps out, and the album will be coming next year. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Next year. I don't have a date yet. [00:56:47] Speaker A: Next year. We don't have a date yet, but give him a follow on all the streaming platforms and on Instagram and Tik Tok. You'll be the first one to know. And Devil Ain't Done. It's on your local radio station. Go and listen to the absolute hell out of it and eat some green chili for our boy. And if you're still watching at this point, comment if you like green chili or not. If you haven't had it. That's. Everybody's homework, is to find green chili and try it and listen to secondhand smoke. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Secondhand smoke. Listen to it. Atlas. Atl. Us. [00:57:15] Speaker A: Yes. HTL Us. [00:57:17] Speaker B: Us. It's spelled really weird. I know. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:20] Speaker B: Secondhand smoke. Go give it a listen. Thank you for having me man. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Of course dude. And shout out to our friends from Surfside. Atlas clearly enjoys it. You will do. No bubbles, no troubles. It's not a seltzer, it's a Surfside delicious. Vodka lemonade, vodka iced tea, vodka green tea. You can get them wherever you get your boost. And for more us visit raised rally.com my man Atlas. I'm Matt Brielle. This has been outside the rally. [00:57:44] Speaker B: I. [00:57:45] Speaker A: Never been the kind for star one place for too long I ain't never been the best at s I love you to a girl I love Only got a couple tricks on my sleeve they usually just make them leave so if you know me if you really know me no I'm just a two trick pony maybe the drinking and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Yeah.