Episode Transcript
[00:00:12] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill for Rage Rowdy Podcast.
What's going on, guys and girls? Welcome back to another episode of Outside the Round with vmap Brill. Today, two very special guests.
I've met one of these guys before at our events here in Nashville, but it's a pleasure to meet the other half of City Creed. We got Mark, we got Andre with us. Fellas, how we doing?
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Doing great.
[00:00:36] Speaker C: Pleasure to be here.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:00:38] Speaker C: Pleasure to be here.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Dude, I am so stoked. This is Yalls first podcast ever.
[00:00:41] Speaker C: Yes, sir.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy trying to do it the best we can.
[00:00:44] Speaker C: Let's try not screw up, right?
[00:00:46] Speaker B: Dude, I appreciate it. And you guys are in. Aren't based here in Nashville, right? Like, where do you all live full time?
[00:00:53] Speaker A: We're half and half here. We. We recently came here to Nashville, but half the other time, we're in Argentina. Worlds away.
[00:00:58] Speaker C: We used to. We started doing the whole thing in Argentina, and we got a place here in August. And he's been coming way more than me. I. I just come and go a little less. But love it here.
Yeah, we just been. We fell in love with it. It's crazy, dude.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: So what. So is Argentina where y' all are both originally from, or how do you end up down there?
[00:01:18] Speaker A: Yeah, he's Argentina.
I was born in Florida, but my mom's Argentina, so. And we met in high school. No, not high school. Elementary school.
[00:01:25] Speaker C: Yeah, way back.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah, we were like 10 years old.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: Really?
[00:01:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: So you all go back to being childhood buddies?
[00:01:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: It's been. Been a long time. And, you know, I. I always hung out of his house, and I. He always did music. I don't really want to tell the story of.
[00:01:38] Speaker C: Yeah, well, I. I try to be. I started playing Guitar Hero when I was, like, 11, and I wanted to be Slash when I was a kid.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:45] Speaker C: So I just started playing guitar.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: I feel that, bro. Guitar Hero was one hell of a game.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: It started so many careers.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Try trying to get through. Through the fire and flames on Expert Mode was like when you had a buddy hit that.
[00:01:57] Speaker C: I couldn't even do it hard. It was. I was not very good. I was never that good at video games.
But then I got into real guitar, and it was crazy how, like, he bought an electric guitar at Toys R Us.
[00:02:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it was the first.
[00:02:09] Speaker C: Wait, it was the first guitar.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: We still have, like, the picks somewhere
[00:02:13] Speaker C: in the studio because I asked my mom for an electric guitar, and she wouldn't Buy it to me. Because she was like, nah, I just gonna. Like, I'm not gonna do it if you're not gonna play. For real?
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:21] Speaker C: So I'm gonna get you, like. She got me, like, a classical guitar, like the. The Spanish one.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Okay.
[00:02:26] Speaker C: It's like, if you could play this, like, I'll. I'll get you the electric guitar.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:30] Speaker C: And. But we had his, and he bought it at Toys R Us, so we used to just get together on Friday night after after school and just. Hey, man. Just bring the electric guitar so you could play a little bit. It was crazy. And. But he didn't. He just played a little bit, and then he didn't do a high school band. And he used to be the guy with the camera. He used to film the guy.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: You were the content guy.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: Content guy, yeah.
[00:02:51] Speaker C: It was.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:52] Speaker C: Crazy story.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: I always loved condom, but. Yeah. It's funny how it ended up. They had, like, the full band. They used to play in school.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Okay. What kind of music was the band? What was the name?
[00:03:01] Speaker C: Just a rock band. I don't think we had a name. We just played in high school events. It was. Yeah, we didn't have a name, but we just played covers, you know, Guns and Roses, Nirvana and Chili Peppers and just old rock bands.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:03:15] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. It was a. Crazy, crazy times. It's crazy. It's been like 20 years from that.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: That's wild. So how old are you guys?
[00:03:22] Speaker C: We're 30.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: We're 30.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: We're both 30. Okay. I'm 31. So we're right around that same ballpark where when you talk a lot of these kids that, like, we just had Chloe on here, a good mutual friend of ours. She's 22, so she probably doesn't even remember Toys R Us. No, she probably doesn't even remember Guitar Hero. Like, we got to grow up in such a cool time.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: Like.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah, like, being early 2000 kids was such a fun time to grow up, especially in music. Like, we got to be a part of such a fun era where, like, the classic rock that our parents listen to, the gnr, the grunge rock, all of that. And then also just what we got to hear on the radio or what we got to hear on our ipods, you know, MP3.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: I remember that just downloading music was horrible.
[00:04:05] Speaker C: You gotta pick. You gotta pick four songs with a little flip phone. Yeah, you only have, like, five, four songs in there, so you gotta really pick the ones that you're gonna. I wanted to listen on and do you remember which.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: What your four or five were?
[00:04:16] Speaker C: It really depends on the year. At one point, I was a huge fan of Green Day. At one point, for some, that American
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Idiot album was huge, bro. 2004, that was huge. Holiday, of course. American Idiot, Boulevard of Broken Dreams. It's good.
[00:04:30] Speaker C: It's crazy. And. And just knowing that the craziest thing about that album is they were about to quit just right before it.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:37] Speaker C: You know, and they made their best ever, you know, but it's crazy. Yeah.
But yeah, we, We. We used to have the band. And then he went. He went back to the States.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I was always back and forth.
[00:04:49] Speaker C: So he finished high school here in Florida.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: So high school was in Argentina.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: It was always like literally half in house. Like kindergarten here, elementary there, middle school here. I was just. Yeah, it was. It was crazy. And then after high school, I started studying. I want to get into med school and started that. And then at one point I was like, you know what? I'm going back to Argentina with no plan.
[00:05:12] Speaker C: And.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: And yeah, he was doing music and I told him one day, I was like, I always wanted to try and sing.
[00:05:18] Speaker C: He was like, it was the whole SoundCloud rap era right around that time or like Post Malone had just. Just blew up.
It's right after Juice and all that stuff and everybody was making beats. It was just like the fun thing to do.
I was. When I. When I finished high school, I did two, three years of Berkeley online and I just did like music production and mixing and a couple of those things. But then I. I went to. To college for business, so I did the other way around. I used to. I did what I wanted first and then the plan B after.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:52] Speaker C: But I was like, if I. If this, if music ever works out, I'm. I'm quitting.
And then right around that time, he came to my house and he was like, you should make a beat. And I could be like, I just.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: I don't know, just try some.
[00:06:02] Speaker C: Try something on the mic.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Coming from Florida. And I was like, try.
[00:06:06] Speaker C: I was like, sure, dude. I don't have any expectations.
[00:06:09] Speaker A: We'll see how that goes. And yeah, I was like, around 2019.
[00:06:14] Speaker C: Yeah. And he had this crazy voice. I'm like, dude, you should. You're an artist.
Like, what the hell?
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:19] Speaker C: How can you do this? I've been trying to do this my whole life. I can't. I can't. Because I wanted to be a singer at some point, but I just. I can't do it.
Some of thing.
[00:06:26] Speaker A: He Was like, yeah, I should produce real. I was like, I'm not doing this thing alone. Like, we're doing it together.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And then Covet came, and that's when we were like, well, now's the time. We had, like, the longest lockdown. It was like 180 days of, like, just fully being in your house.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: In Argentina.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: In Argentina. So every week, just trying. I'd never written a song. I was a terrible songwriter, but took me like a month to write a song and a lot of practice. It was great.
[00:06:51] Speaker B: So with the creation process, you're coming up, you're like in the beat laboratory, and then you guys are collaborating. So what's it like as far as songwriting? Like, especially that early on where you're laying down beats and shit, and then he's coming in singing, you're saying you don't know what you're doing at it, too.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: I loved hip hop, but, like, I was just really bad at writing it, so it took me, like, months to write. And I was like, you know, we, we, we. If you look back enough in our catalog, it's like there's hip hop that goes into funk, that goes into R and B. And it's like you Google what our genre is, and it's like, I have no idea.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: You dabbled in every genre.
[00:07:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of did. Yeah. Hip hop wasn't my thing either. I grew up just playing instruments and recording them and, you know, a song was like the whole band for me. And then when I. When I enter that era, it was like, nah, people are just like on their laptop and they just get splice loops and they make songs like, it's a video game.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: You know, all these producers, like, speed running beats.
[00:07:48] Speaker C: Yeah. It was like done five minutes, you know, Like, I was like, this is crazy. Like, what is this? But I always like to learn other fields. And I'm like, I gotta. I used to. I always use pro tools to. To record and for my music. And everybody was using Alpha Studio, which is a completely different doll. And they kind of all do the same thing, but it's just which one is you're most comfortable with. But I was like, I got to learn this one. Just because it gives you the. The whole vibe of the whole style, that hip hop style. It just gave it to you. So I learned. And we tried that for a couple months.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: It was not great, but it was a lot of.
[00:08:23] Speaker C: I thought some of the songs were cool. I think this guy can rap.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: He just.
[00:08:26] Speaker C: He just. He just can't Take a compliment. This guy, it's crazy.
[00:08:30] Speaker A: We'll leave him stored in the vault, in the computer. I'm fine with that.
[00:08:33] Speaker B: I love that. Where did the name City Creed come from?
[00:08:36] Speaker A: We were in. I remember we. When. Just when I told him, I was like, I'm not doing this alone. He was like, all right, let's figure out. We need a name. And I was like, I don't know. He's like, I was in the couch. He's like, what about City Creed? And I was like, what does it mean? Like, what does it mean? He's like, I don't know. I was like, it sounds cool.
[00:08:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, at first it was like City Creed because we were doing rap and, like, urban music. So it was like, city.
[00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is not making something sound so stupid.
[00:08:58] Speaker C: And we ended up making cut, Right? Yeah. It's like, you know, it's like.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: I guess it's a.
[00:09:03] Speaker C: It's like the opposite. But, you know, kind of stuck with it.
[00:09:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what's thick and that's. And then when we started country, it was too late, so. Because we started doing covers and, you know, people already knew us by that and just kind of rolled with it.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: What was the first cover that really popped?
[00:09:19] Speaker C: Oh, buy your drink.
[00:09:21] Speaker A: Buy it. I didn't Mashup by a T Pain. Buy a drink. And I think I'm a little.
[00:09:25] Speaker C: Tell the whole story. That's a crazy story because Tick Tock had a viral video of this guy in a camera.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: There was a guy in a camo shirt, like, lip syncing to him in a kitchen. And I heard it. I was like, this song is great. I didn't even know it was like a mashup. So, like, I woke up one day. I used to spend every day, all day in the studio because I think it was coveted still.
[00:09:44] Speaker C: It was. It was still coveted.
[00:09:45] Speaker A: It was still coven. And it was like 4 or 5 in the morning. I. I looked terrible. My eyes were black from lack of sleep. And I was like, I'll just do a video and upload it. And I uploaded to YouTube and went to sleep.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Sleep.
[00:09:56] Speaker A: And we woke up the next day and just people were watching it. I was like, no one's ever listened to.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: People thought on that video that he was the guy on Tick Tock.
Wow. That's why a lot like him.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:06] Speaker C: That's why it kind of blew up. Like this guy from the ticket.
[00:10:09] Speaker A: I'm like, I'm not. But, like, I mean, sure, you're gonna Watch the videos.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Comments or comments.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Yeah, so we kind of rolled it. I. I told everyone it's not me, but if you want to listen to it. And you know, and that's when we're like, let's start doing some covers. Because, like, we had no idea of how to get exposure and like original stuff.
[00:10:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: And we enjoyed singing, you know, the songs we grew up with.
And we kind of started with that and, and yeah, that was our first start into like actual like getting views.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: And when did the country covers come in?
[00:10:39] Speaker A: I never did country.
[00:10:41] Speaker B: You guys never even did a country cover.
[00:10:43] Speaker A: Never.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: So you gotta take me through how the hell you end up from going, you're coming up in the SoundCloud rap era and then doing covers of songs that we grew up with that are in that, that pop hip hop vein or even like rock bane. I'd imagine you did some rock ones too, right?
[00:10:58] Speaker A: Yeah, we just basically we just used to go on our Spotify playlist and just whatever we like listening to, it was like, that's the one we're doing.
And I remember at one point we were like, well, we, we always wanted to do original music.
And on TikTok, we had grown the TikTok after YouTube, we had like 500,000 followers just for the covers. And every video just blew up.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Isn't that crazy to just say out loud, like half a million people just watching you guys cover songs?
[00:11:25] Speaker A: Like every cover we posted, like no matter what, 100, 203.
[00:11:29] Speaker C: We usually did like between just classics, you know, old classics. And we were also trying to see like what was, you know, the new songs, the big songs. I remember when, remember Rap Star by. By Paul G. When it just came out. And the COVID the COVID thing in YouTube is like when something comes out, you got to like try to be first, right?
[00:11:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:50] Speaker C: So Rap Star came out like, dude, we were looking at right now, going right now to do a cover of Rap Star.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: You guys were just studying the charts and being like, what can we do?
[00:11:58] Speaker C: Try to do a mix of both.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really funny. If you go back and listen to like the hip hop ones, it's like they're full hip hop songs. But then he produced them like acoustic ballads. So a lot of people really, really like that. It's. It was like a completely different take on it.
[00:12:11] Speaker C: And because the thing with covers and what we found out is that if your cover was too much like the original song, you wouldn't convert. This was way after though. Like at first we just uploading covers to YouTube.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:12:22] Speaker C: Yeah. And it was working.
So it was like, how do we monetize this so we can make a living out of music? That was the first. The first thing we wanted. Right. Making a living out of music.
[00:12:31] Speaker B: There's. There's your business degree coming through, Mark. Right. It all makes sense now.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:36] Speaker C: And it was like we. We realized on YouTube that if the COVID was too much like the original, people would pick the original. They wouldn't go listen to your stuff. Right.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: So we're like, how do we. Yeah, it's figuring out how to market this in a different way. And he was like, like, let's do them acoustic, like, completely different with, like, you know, just a different take.
[00:12:53] Speaker C: And for example, like, there's a. There's a song called get you the moon by Keena.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:57] Speaker C: Well, that song, we have a cover who sound that sounds pretty much like the original. And we used to have Tick Tock videos of that with millions of views. And the COVID would do nothing on Spotify. Yeah. You know, because people would still go and listen to the original. It was. It sounded almost the same, but it was. It was the original artist.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah. What's your value proposition for someone. For someone to put their ears and eyes on it.
[00:13:19] Speaker C: But then you did.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: We did like a cover of the Nights, which ended up being like the biggest cover of the nights on YouTube. And it was completely different and people loved it and that converted. So we were like, right, so we have to make it completely different, but keeping like, you know, the. The core melodies and obviously the lyrics. Yeah, yeah. That's when we started. And the. The only bad thing was that when we were like, all right, let's start doing originals, like, again. We had half a million on. On Tick Tock. The videos we. They blew up. But every time we posted an original, it was like 100 views. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, we were trying and trying. And Mark, like, he comes up one day and he's like, I think I have an idea of how to make it work. And I was like, how? He's like, we should delete the Tick Tock. And I was like, there's no way we're deleting this Tick Tock. Like, he's like, we have to start from scratch. And he's like, if it's good enough, people will listen. If it's not, then, you know, absolutely wrong choice.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: Yeah, you don't. You shouldn't stick to a number. It's just a number, you know, saying you won't delete it because you got 500,000 followers is like, I'm not that good. Therefore I got the 500,000 out of luck. So I can't do it again. If you are actually. If you actually grind, if you're actually good and you bring value to people, yeah, you'll do it again. Like, people will find you again.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: And that's. Anything within business, within life. If you're. If you're that good at what you're trying to do, you can recreate it. You can start another.
[00:14:30] Speaker C: Either that good or just. Just that business model where we just would make two videos per day and like just try to be impossible to ignore.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And we deleted it. And it was terrifying. And we started in like the first 20 videos at like 2, 300 views. I was like, oh my God, we're done.
[00:14:48] Speaker C: And after 20 videos, our biggest song as of today called Gambling Man. Yep, he wrote that and we posted it and is the first, you know, kind of viral, A little viral.
[00:15:00] Speaker A: That one I recorded like at 8 in the morning coming from not sleeping in the bathroom. And I posted it and it started doing well. I was like, oh, like this can work. And that's when we started. You know, that's not when we got into country. We got into country before, but like, yeah, you know, the, the we wrote. I wrote a song that people were like, this sounds like I like this country vibe. And to me, writing it was so much like more. It felt more genuine because I love like telling stories.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: That's exactly what to me what Gambling man is, is. It is a story song. That's one I want you guys to know. I listen to that song usually once a day. Like, that's in my. My go to. But you go back to other songs like Two Step in Night and Days, Red Silverado, Tales of a Soldier, like,
[00:15:45] Speaker C: those are old nights and Days was actually the first country song.
[00:15:48] Speaker B: That was the first one.
[00:15:49] Speaker C: And that's how we got into a country.
He said the song did great.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:54] Speaker C: We started doing original. So I'm. I'm gonna take you a little back.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: Yeah, go for it.
[00:15:58] Speaker C: So right when we left the covers, we started making kind of pop music. Like tick tock pop music, indie pop. Actually. The first song that actually went a little viral was a song called Home.
It's like an indie pop song. And yeah, it wasn't really country yet,
[00:16:15] Speaker A: but it was like poor Post Malone's type circles.
[00:16:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And at some point he wrote Nights and Days and I produced it and it was the first song that got Me playing acoustic guitar and just. It felt more like the old days of just me recording. And people used to say on social media, you have a country voice. You have a country voice. You know, maybe because of the rasp and other things. Yeah. It was like, you know, even when he used to rap, it's like, you had a country was like, really, Like, I don't. You know, it was weird for us.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: What I think, when. Because when I tell people you have a voice that sounds in the country vein, being someone that's been in this. In this world, and I'm originally from New York, so I didn't grow up, like super country. Grew up listening to it and going to concerts and stuff. But for me, what a country voice is, is it has that emotion to it. It has that. That despair almost like you feel. And like, you look back on a lot of the grunge stuff. Those. Like, you listen to a Chris Cornell, you listen to a Scott Weiland. Yes. To a Cobain. There's emotion in there to where. Like, where country music is now. Those guys would have been able to play country music festivals. When you look at some of the acts that are coming up. So, like, your voice. Yeah, I would say it definitely has some of those undertones. But what's so cool is there's so many voices where it's like, oh, that's only country. With a voice like yours, with a voice like Chloe's, it's like it can go to any genre that you guys, as creators, want to take it, which is so cool.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Tell us. We loved it. And like I said, he loves recording, like, instruments, and I love storytelling, so it was the perfect. The perfect mix.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Not that the beat making is not fun, but I'd rather. I like recording real instruments.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:49] Speaker C: What.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: What makes a perfect acoustic recording? Like, how. How intricate. How. I want to get him into the weeds because I'm not a production guy.
[00:17:58] Speaker A: You're about to make the podcast, like, five hours.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: I don't get to have a lot of production guys and girls in here. I'm friends with a lot of producers. But in your process, and you're. In your opinion, what separates a good acoustic recording from a bad one?
[00:18:11] Speaker C: Just recording the guitar.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:13] Speaker C: Wow. That's.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: What does it take to capture that moment?
[00:18:16] Speaker C: Well, the room is very important. You know how well it's treated.
It could be a bad room as well. You hear a lot of the Sack Brian stuff. He just records anywhere, and it sounds amazing, and it's got that emotion. So it really. It is such A. It really depends. You can't really say this is the right way of doing it because maybe the audio quality or the fidelity is not there, but. But the emotion is there. And maybe you have, like, this great quality and fidelity and you feel nothing and the take is just dead. You know, you have a little both, but.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Two days ago. Yeah. Before coming here.
[00:18:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah. We were trying. We were like, oh, we got to record the song before to go to Nashville. And he was like. He produced it and he spent time making the track, and I just. My singing just. He was like, I. I don't feel like anything, like. And he's like, just fucking, like, put a mic in, plug the guitar. And he was like, just sing it live. And we sung. And he was like, that's how I want. I was like, it's just.
[00:19:09] Speaker C: Why? That's the weird, weird things about music. You. You can never.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: We have a couple songs too, that you can hear the birds chirping. He's like, just put the mic stand in the middle, open the window.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: It's just that magical thing about music. You can't explain it. And that's.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: It's.
[00:19:21] Speaker C: That's what's beautiful. You can't. There's no mathematical way of explaining it, you know, And I sometimes hate that because it's like I am. So. I try to be so factual, like, why is this working? Why? You know, because I want to make it. I want to repeat, Repeat, repeat, repeat
[00:19:35] Speaker B: +B equals C. Yeah. Music is not that.
[00:19:38] Speaker C: It's not that. No.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Beagles25.
[00:19:41] Speaker C: Sometimes I love it, and sometimes I just can't find the answer. And you just got to explore and be creative and just break those band, those boundaries, you know, it's. It's such a weird thing, you know, But. But it's. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's like that. It's crazy.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Walk me through the. I got it on. On our last episode with Chloe on her. Her perspective of Barrel of her gun. And I know that song has done some crazy things here in less than a month, but walk me through how you guys. Like, that week or two leading up to the song coming out. You guys. The writing process of it with. With Ben.
And you had one other guy on there, too, right? Yeah, Stan. Yeah, was Stan and Ben and. And then the recording process to where it was when Chloe made that went through her hours of no sleep and flew down to the stage.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: It was from the start, it was crazy because Mark was here. I came to Nashville, like, last month. I've lost a little track of time.
But we had a dinner with our manager, Larry.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Chloe was awesome, by the way. Shout out to Larry. What a G. What a G. Y' all have the best guy possible in your corner. I love that man. I love that man. Admire him.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: We remember when we first started with him, he texted us one day. He was like, I'm sorry I've been mia. Like, I've been. It's been. Been crazy. And we're like, mia, dude. Like, you texted us five times a day.
How's that? Am I?
[00:21:03] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: But we got here and he was like, oh, let's all go to dinner. And in that dinner, we were just eating, and we were like, why don't we do, like, a little get together? Like, go out for the weekend about three hours out of town and, like, just write some songs. And we booked it that same night, and we ended up driving out. Four hours. Yeah, like Gatlinburg or something.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah. East Tennessee is beautiful, isn't it? Those cabins are crazy too. All the stuff that's in them is nuts.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: 100%. And we were. We just went there and we were like, let's write. And, you know, one day we woke up, it was early in the morning, and Ben was like, let's go write a song. And we sat there, wrote it, you know, sounded great. But we all parted ways after. And I think, like, three weeks passed by, and Chloe and I had done some content to promote the song, but they hadn't done much on social, like, the first two videos we posted. And I was like, I had one more to post. I was flying back to Argentina, and I usually post, like, I don't know, like 5pm I was getting on the plane and I clicked post. And when I landed, you know, when I went, sorry, when I took. When it took off, it wasn't posting. It wasn't posting. It said failed. I was like, you know, I'll just land in New York and. And. And cancel it, go back home and post it the next day. I didn't realize. I forgot to check my phone. And when I landed, it had automatically posted. And when I was flying from New York to Argentina, I connected to the WI fi like, four hours later, and my phone just started blowing up. And I was like, what is happening? And I texted Mark. I was like, you should go on socials. Like, it's. The song's going crazy.
[00:22:30] Speaker C: My. My phone's being blown up at 8 in the morning. It's like, dude, dude, I just posted a video. It had Like a million views in three hours.
Like what?
Like what? Like, almost off. Like, I, I didn't wake up yet. Like, I was just like, what? You know?
[00:22:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I think we called Chloe and we were like, dude, you need to book a flight tomorrow. And she was like, I'll book it. And yeah, she, she flew out.
And I was, I was.
[00:22:55] Speaker C: That was on a Friday. Right. And I started, I just organized the session that day, and we were like, well, we can't put this thing out next Friday because it's too soon. And when we use. We use this show kit as a distributor, and it's, it's, it's been great for us, to be honest. We love this short kid.
But usually, well, sometimes, if you want to make sure that the song is on every streaming platform by that same Friday, you want to release it a couple. Like, you want to upload it a couple days earlier.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:29] Speaker C: And we didn't think we, we could make it. And he'd have to produce. We talked to Larry, and Chloe wasn't there. Like, everything was a mess.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Chloe was flying.
[00:23:38] Speaker C: Chloe's fine.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: There I was, yeah, just getting in town. He was trying to. And Larry's like, we got to post it Friday. And he's like, that's too soon. He's like, you can do it. And he's like, all right, we'll try it. He called, we called our session player. We have session players in Argentina.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Which are amazing. Like, they're so great. That he called him when? Like, at 12.
[00:23:56] Speaker C: That was Saturday. So I, I organized the session. I, I, I played keys on it. Just the keys. And the plan by then was releasing it two weeks later. Right. Because that's the soonest we could do it. But on Saturday, Larry called me and he was like, we're releasing this this Friday. Like, I don't know if I could do that. He's like, no, no, you will do this. You know, you will release it. Like, you will. I know you could do it. Come on, man. And I'm like, okay.
I literally ran to the studio.
One in the morning, I call my session play. Like, dude, I need you right now. You know, let's try to do this.
And we finished the production that same day in one day.
And Chloe was flying to Argentina while I was producing. And she, she got there that morning. So I, I finished production at 5, 6 in the morning. So I went to sleep. At 5, 6 in the morning, Chloe arrived. He was with me, by the way. He didn't sleep. And then he went to pick Chloe up to the airport at 7.
Right. And he brought Chloe to the studio at like nine. So I had like two, three hours of sleep.
And they started cutting vocals while I sent the production to my mixing engineer. Right.
So the guy was mixing the song without the vocals.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:25:09] Speaker C: While these guys were recording.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: That doesn't have. That's very. Yeah, that's so unorthodox. Like, that is not how you do the process. And I'm sure as a perfectionist and as a producer, you had to be like, what is happening right now?
[00:25:22] Speaker C: The stress right there was like, through the roof. I know, like, at one point, you know, that's what makes us feel alive. Like, that rush. It's crazy. But the stress was insane. Like, I never had that much because I also want the song to be great.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:34] Speaker C: Because if. If you rush it and it doesn't sound very good, I'll be like, you know.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:40] Speaker C: Like, damn. Like, I could have done it way better. I only have a day. Right.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: And there's eyes and ears.
[00:25:45] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: And we were so scared because it's like, you know, people expect a thing and it's like, what if we do something that they don't like? Or like, you know, we only have a day to do and we can't overthink anything.
[00:25:53] Speaker C: So. So these guys cut the vocals that afternoon, like within, you know. You know, it was like, I don't. Couple hours. And I sent them to my mixing guy. I mixed it with him. So my mixing engineers, there's like this platform called Sonobus where he. He puts it on the mix. And I could hear at my house, like, while he's like, making mix, almost
[00:26:16] Speaker B: like a team viewer type of thing where you're able to. Time. You're able to dive in.
[00:26:20] Speaker C: So we were like, mixing it together.
[00:26:22] Speaker A: Engineer is mixing the song at, like three in the morning.
[00:26:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: And is he in Argentina as well?
[00:26:26] Speaker C: He's in Argentina.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: He was. Our team is. Is great, honestly.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: Shout out to all the team. Shout out to all the players. Mixing, like, the team that you guys have around you, those are guys and girls that believe in you boys.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Someone you can call at 4 in the morning on a Sunday and we'll sit there and mix a song. Is.
They're amazing.
[00:26:45] Speaker C: Yeah. We even had, like, sometimes when. When we had, like, some label calls and they're like, yeah, but, you know, we can introduce this. Introduce you guys to these people. Like, do you want, like, are you interested in, like, changing the first question
[00:26:56] Speaker A: available at 4 in the morning on
[00:26:58] Speaker C: a Saturday No, I'm like, no, I'm not changing my team. Like, I always tell everyone, like, you know, I'm not changing my team.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: You got here with these guys, you're gonna keep growing and progressing with these guys.
[00:27:08] Speaker C: Absolutely. Like, that's what I.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: That's loyalty.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: Yeah, we love them.
[00:27:11] Speaker C: We. We love them. There's no way. I mean, the. Some other people can come in the team, but I'm not replacing anyone. You know, all those guys are staying as long as they want.
[00:27:18] Speaker B: You know, I commend you for that. That's important.
[00:27:20] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, part of the family.
[00:27:22] Speaker A: They started, you know, working with us when our songs were the hip hop days.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: So I got to ask, was the song written as a duet and, like, as a back and forth conversation? Because I think that's one of the things that I love all the things about the song, but was when the writing process and in the recording process, like, were you in Chloe, in the room at the same time, just kind of going back and forth, forth as you.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: We wrote it at. Sitting in the porch of that Airbnb, and we thought it'd be cool because we always, like. Like, for example, maybe it's cold outside that back and forth, and we're like, there's not a lot of that, and I'd like to hear, like, one that maybe is not so sweet.
And we were like, yeah, let's. Let's do it. Ben was there and we all, like, crafted a story, which was, like, the best thing ever. You know what. The thing we have most fun with. And yeah, it was the back and forth, I think was something different that was nice.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: And then were that. Did you have them in the room, like, going back and forth in real time, or did you.
[00:28:15] Speaker C: I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Oh, no, no, I meant. I meant in the studio, when you were cutting vocals.
[00:28:20] Speaker C: No, I just. I. We cut Chloe and then him. Yeah. Separately.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: So you had to get the timing right on lining that up.
[00:28:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Conversation with, like, overlay.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: Sometimes we interrupt each other and. Yeah. Yeah, that was really fun.
[00:28:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we had to. Yeah, we had to make it right. But, you know, it was. That was with all the things we had to be taken into account. Like, that was one of the easy. Like, these guys are crazy singers. Like, they can. You know, they can. They can rip what.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: What makes in your opinions, what makes Chloe so special?
[00:28:50] Speaker A: She's. First of all, she's insanely talented. She has a voice.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Isn't it so different? I think your voice is very Unique and different, too. I think that's one of the most important things, is to have a distinct sound to. When you hear a City Creed song, you know, it's you guys. When you hear a Chloe Hubbard song, when you hear a Tyler N. Dance song, you know, it's that guy. That girl.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: I love unique voices and something that. That's just you. It's different. And, you know, she's. She's amazing things. Her singing is crazy, her writing, you know.
[00:29:19] Speaker C: Yeah, she's definitely a star. The first time we saw her, Larry introduced us to her. We went to a writer's round. She was playing, and, yeah, we're like, holy. They were like, all the. A couple people were playing, but when she was playing, it was just like.
[00:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that might. That might have been one of ours too.
[00:29:32] Speaker A: Could have. I can't remember remember where it was.
[00:29:35] Speaker C: It was a John Dailies.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Oh, was that dailies? Oh, so that was when she first moved here.
[00:29:39] Speaker A: Ye. Yeah.
[00:29:40] Speaker B: Holy cow.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: That's when we met her.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: And we were like, y' all met her? Like, the day that she moved here, that would have been like, April. Yeah, it was the springtime.
[00:29:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: We did a cover that same day, I think.
[00:29:51] Speaker C: Yeah. I went back to the apartment and we did a couple.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: Yeah, she was playing there, and the other artists were amazing. But every time she sung, I was like, holy.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that's different. Like, that's something right there. I haven't heard that before is you go like that, you know? Yeah, it's just that different.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it was crazy. But. And yeah, and then in the. The duet, I think it was. It was a great, like, mix of both our voices to make something. We wanted to do something different, you know, and luckily, people like that.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: So in Yalls interpretation, because I know it's gotten a lot of back and forth in the comments on a lot of the videos.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:22] Speaker B: What is making the ring mark on the wallet?
[00:30:24] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: I don't know what Chloe said, but we said we wouldn't tell. We will let people. I know that. That for some reason we were like. You know, it was funny because we were talking before. We were like, you know, when you post a video, like, what you want is, like, people engaging, like, asking. You want an element of people asking questions, something. And we didn't even think that through. Like, to us, it was very clear what it was, and apparently it was not.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: To me, I got it wrong. First time, he was like, what do you think is a ring mark? I think it's this. It's like, nah, it's not that. So I got it wrong.
[00:30:54] Speaker A: So, yeah, I think we're planning on a little teaser of what it is, but we have figured it out.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: I love that, man. And as. I mean, it's like the, like, even the opening of the song where it's just that, like, Western. Like, it almost has, like, a cinematic sound, too.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: Like, it feels like the start of, like, a spaghetti western or like, Clint Eastwood or John Wayne.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: And then Chloe's voice just coming in with the boy, where you been?
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: I think, like, that's a, That's a saying. You could put on a damn T shirt. Like, that's. Yeah, it's just so. It's. It's like, it's so different and just stands out.
[00:31:30] Speaker A: That's something we also, you know, when we write, it's like, let's. Let's start it with something that just, like, captures you because we're trying to, you know, tell a story here. And, yeah, I think everything just aligned perfectly. And there was a lot of. I don't know if it's luck or what, but just things lined up.
[00:31:46] Speaker C: Sometimes being independent all these years, you start figuring out, like, how to.
You still want to make music you love, but you also want to understand what people like or resonate. Right. And, you know, we don't have a label or we never had a label pushing the songs we make, so we have to get that organic traction. So we always think, like, what, you know, what's the first.
[00:32:08] Speaker A: Like, especially in platforms where there's such a short attention span. Like, we don't want to clickbait you, but we want to, like, really put the best line we can to instantly hook you and give us a chance to listen to the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's sort of how we approach it all the time.
[00:32:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: You got to get the consumer, like, right away. Dude, that's crazy.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. I, I. The short attention span ones I get, it's, It's. I recently got into vinyls now, and I enjoy, like, just being forced to listen to the whole thing.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: Isn't that such a different thing, dude? Like, I've. I've definitely gone home and put a vinyl on a time or two in my life, and just sitting back and listening to a record just go, bro.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: And the. One of my favorite songs that, that, That I recently discovered was because I was. It was the last song. It's Bruce Springsteen. A really.
It's an album not a lot of people listen to. Apparently. It's Nebraska 86, I think.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: And one of my favorite songs is called State Trooper and it's at the end of the vinyl. And I was just, I just put it on the house while I'm like,
[00:33:06] Speaker B: you talk about a story in a song, bro. Dude, Bruce is a storyteller.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a storyteller. I think he's, he's amazing. And I put it on and while I was cooking, I was like, it's caught my ear. I was like, what the hell is this? It was a. I didn't even plan on buying that vinyl. I was at the store, I was like, oh, this is. Bruce is great. We'll listen to it. Yeah. And. But yeah, I've enjoyed being able to listen to full records and not just skipping on Spotify.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: Yeah, man, that's. That's my favorite thing too because it's like, you guys know as creators and like, I know from doing, doing content, doing long form interviews like this, like you want people to pay attention to the entire body of work.
[00:33:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: You wouldn't make 10 tracks on a project if you only wanted them to listen to the singles.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: But they don't have to. They don't know. I mean, it's not, it's not wrong if they don't.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: No, it isn't. But as creators, like you want to do you want them to listen from especially like so many projects they have like a beginning and an end, you know, Like, I think of those great like concept albums or I think of like where there's a swell. It's almost like a live show or like track five or six or if you're listening to them. Morgan Wallen, track 18 or 19. It's the halfway point where it's like, there's like a little bit of a swell to it. The collection goes together.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: It reminds me even Zach Bryan does it. You'll be listening to his record and all of a sudden he throws in a poem like, yeah, midway through. And I was like, that's so cool that, you know, you don't get that in social media.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's like the skits that used to be on like Eminem records or on the Biggie albums or Tupac or any of those, bro.
[00:34:33] Speaker A: People actually listen. You have to put the CD on and, or the cassette and just listen through it.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: But yeah, dude. Yeah, that's awesome. So what do we, what are we working on now? I see if I've, if I caught the content. Right. You guys are teasing new music now too, right? Like just releasing so much music, huh?
[00:34:50] Speaker A: We. We're. We don't have anything like set plan. We have a couple that we were working on trying to finish before we came here, but, you know, trying to. To write as much as we can and, you know, tease it out and see what people like and. And put it out in sort of that order, but still figuring it out. The whole barrel of our gun was so crazy. We were like, we need to stop and reorganize ourselves.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: How wild to have. And I know you guys have had some success on some of the earlier catalog, but, like, to see the numbers just go crazy on a song like that and then to see the. The monthly listeners just go up. Like, the fact that. That many people are listening to you guys on a monthly basis has to be nuts, right?
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Surreal. I remember the. The. The day after we released the Barrel of a Gun. I think the peak was like. It was like 3,000 people listening in the moment. And I was like, that's insane. Like, that's a whole room, you know, but, yeah, it's. We still can't believe it, and it's crazy.
[00:35:43] Speaker C: It's been a wild ride.
[00:35:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:44] Speaker C: It's been so many years to get there also, like, you know, some people do it in three months, some people do it in a month, some people do it in a year. It's taken seven years as making music for us to get to this point, which is. We value it so much because of that, we know what it took. You know, I'm not like, we want to go even further. And we're not saying, like, this is where, you know, this is making it. Not like this is another milestone on the journey, but, you know, the.
The whole thing is what's. Is what matters. You know, all those. All those problems you have to fix, all that, you know, grinding it out.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: We have a friend from England that. He's been with us since day one, too, and he's. The other day, he sent us a screenshot of our monthly listeners. I think it was like 20 monthly listeners or something like that when we first started releasing our songs.
[00:36:30] Speaker C: There's a. There's a. My, My. Like I told you before, my brother's a watch freak. There's a phrase in watches that says the hunt for the watch is more important than the watch itself. It's the same with this, you know, the chase for that, you know, especially as indie artists.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: Because you feel like you are ever. You are the whole operation. You run the whole thing. And as hard as it is, you have to. You Know, produce the songs, write them, make the, you know, mix master. You got to make the content. You gotta analyze content online to see how you're gonna get that content out there and it's not gonna fall into dead ears. All that thing, you know, when you hit these milestones, it feels so good because it's like you did it yourself, you know? Yeah.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: And it's consistent. As long as you're consistent, like it's, it's, it's so worth it. Sometimes it's really hard, you know, especially doing it on your own. Luckily we, I have him, you know.
But yeah, it's just, just consistency and believing that it's gonna work. And it does. It pays off. And you look back and it's been like seven years.
And I was like, damn, if I knew seven years ago we were going to be here. I remember we had this running joke when we first started. I was like, when we get to 10, 000 monthly listeners, we're moving to LA, we're doing the whole music thing.
[00:37:38] Speaker C: And now 2 million monthly listeners, almost
[00:37:40] Speaker A: 2 million moved to National.
[00:37:41] Speaker B: It's like, yeah, yeah, you just moved to Nashville. But I love that you're still creating where it started in Argentina.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: 100.
[00:37:48] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: To me that's the roots of it. It wouldn't be a City Creed song if it didn't have roots in creation back in the homeland.
[00:37:55] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: It's fun. We love it there. I love it here. But going back is really nice to.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: And it's got to be nice too, where it's like business stuff and like networking. You guys can come up here, but the meat and potatoes, the creative process can still live there. If it ain't like you were talking about with keeping your guys and when you're having meetings and they're, they're name dropping all these high level people, it's like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
[00:38:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:18] Speaker B: You know, like, why not? I applaud you guys for, for having that, having that mentality. Now did I get it right when we had met at Odie's and we might have met before the time. I'm thinking of whether it was like at the local or somewhere in town with Chloe and Tyler and the gang or your, your teammates, if you will work it. Working in Larry Fam.
The. Have you guys not. Have you guys played a show yet?
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Never.
[00:38:43] Speaker C: He played a Betty's one.
[00:38:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Oh, you popped up at Betty's.
Ben and Eli and Aiden, we all,
[00:38:49] Speaker A: we all had written a song one Time we came, and he was like, we're playing it at Betty's. I was like, man, I'm never played. Like, I've never played in my life. I'm not playing at Betty's. Like, you're playing at Betty's?
[00:38:58] Speaker C: And I wasn't there, so he couldn't even.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: I was terrified. I was like, dude, he's like, it's fine. We'll play like a 12 last slot. Don't worry about it.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: And I was like, everyone will be hammered. It'll be fun.
[00:39:08] Speaker A: Well, thank God everyone was hammered. But, yeah, aside from that, we've never actually done a live show.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: Well, I'm making it a goal of mine to have you guys pop up at a raise rowdy event. Like, pro. Hopefully. Hopefully on this trip while you guys are up here.
And my ideal scenario is that it's in a writer's round setting and Chloe's on that stage with you, and then we can get that moment of you guys doing the barrel of her gun.
[00:39:32] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: Together here in Nashville. We have a. We have a popup event coming up. We have Chloe booked. For who? I think it'd be perfect over at the Skinny Dentist in East Nashville. I don't know if you've been over there.
Have you been to Skinny?
[00:39:46] Speaker A: Yeah, we both.
[00:39:46] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:39:47] Speaker A: This my favorite.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: So we'll talk more about that off the po. But when you guys aren't doing music stuff, because being indie artists, like you guys have said, this takes up a lot of your time. Like, this is your life.
What does the personal life look like? What do you guys like doing outside of music?
[00:40:01] Speaker A: Well, he.
[00:40:02] Speaker C: I play golf a lot.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: You're a golfer?
[00:40:04] Speaker C: I'm not a golfer. I. I'd love to be a golfer, you know, but.
Yeah, that's. That's my. When I want to just get away from the whole craziness of, you know, my job and everything, I just, you know, try to, you know, just relax. And we'll have to get out.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: We'll have to get out on the course sometime.
[00:40:22] Speaker C: I'd love to.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: So many courses out here. I got buddies that work at some of the gourd like we.
[00:40:25] Speaker C: I'm playing my first round here in Nashville next weekend, I think, with one of our friends, producers here. It's been my first time, so. But I'm down. Let's do it.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: I would love to do that. And then. What about you, Dre?
[00:40:38] Speaker A: I looking at mopar for my rust bucket outside the Jeep.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: What does. What does mopar mean? I've Never known. I've heard that forever.
[00:40:46] Speaker A: Yeah, just a bunch of car parts. And just like, it's like his version of. He loves.
What's that Reverb looking at parts.
[00:40:54] Speaker C: I love gear. I love gear.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: This man. This man reverb is like my worst nightmare because he just sits there and scrolls and looks.
[00:41:01] Speaker C: Just look. Yeah.
[00:41:02] Speaker A: And sometimes he starts throwing low balls. I'm like, why are you throwing low balls? No one's gonna ask for anything fun. And then he comes in.
[00:41:08] Speaker C: The worst part is like, you throw a low ball in the middle of the night. It's like, he's never gonna take this. And you wake up and they took it. And you have to me, he's like,
[00:41:16] Speaker A: dude, I got bad news. I lowball.
[00:41:18] Speaker C: I lowball somebody. And they took it. So now we have to have it, right?
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Yeah, terrible. Luckily, Mopar doesn't have auctions like that.
[00:41:25] Speaker B: So you. So you have a bunch of car parts and you have a bunch of audio recording gear.
[00:41:29] Speaker C: Yes, sir.
[00:41:30] Speaker B: It's.
[00:41:31] Speaker A: It's.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: I love it. But yeah, I love it. Dude. That's awesome.
[00:41:34] Speaker A: And yeah, it's, it's. It's fun to, to do that. Well, we, luckily we built the studio that way in Argentina being, you know, independent, that's. We had to like be self sufficient and luckily he got some great deals on it.
[00:41:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: I have a lot of people that listen to this that are in the music industry, like kids that, that are starting out. If there's someone trying to do a diy, what's the most important after getting their guitar, what. What are the most important pieces of gear? If they're trying to create themselves as
[00:42:01] Speaker C: an indie, as just gear.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Gear. Yeah. If they're trying to have like a little, A little studio at their, at their childhood house or they move here to Nashville with not a whole lot. Like, what are the essentials that you need?
[00:42:11] Speaker C: As long as you get just like a, like a low budget. You could get like low budget interface. They're great microphones for, you know, 300 bucks.
Speakers are very important. If I would spend my. If I had a budget today and I had to like spend. I would spend more on the room that I'm recording in and the speakers where I'm listening, what I'm, you know, what I'm recording, what is, you know, sending that information to my ears than the actual recording equipment. You know, like interfaces, preamps and microphones.
You have incredible, incredible gear for the price today. It's not like 50 years ago where, you know, those microphones made 50 years ago are now worth thousands of dollars. But the crazy thing is they. 50 years ago they used those microphones because that was the mic, that was the microphone.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: How many records have been, you know, these, the. The SM7BS. Like yeah, so many like.
[00:43:08] Speaker C: Yeah. You know and it's so. It really, it really. I would say room and just focus on the room and on the, on the speakers if you're going to think about gear. And then of course any, you know there's a lot of great options. You know, low budget microphones.
A low budget AKGs you got from interfaces. If you get like apogee is great.
They have some low budget budget options. You have Apollo sometimes not. Not a huge fan, but you weren't kidding.
[00:43:42] Speaker B: He loves gear.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: Oh dude. That's all he does.
[00:43:45] Speaker C: I'm trying, I'm trying not to mention brands. I'm trying not.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: No, you mentioned as many. You mentioned whatever you want.
[00:43:50] Speaker C: I used to have. I. I own an Apollo 8 for 10 years. So I'm not like I love UAD but you know, I'm just saying like starting out for that starting out gear.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:00] Speaker C: You know this microphone is actually great.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: Yeah, you could record very good one.
[00:44:04] Speaker C: You could do an album with this.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: And then that one I've had because I used to be a RA radio DJ so I used the RE20s like when I was in the radio station those were the mics that I was using. So. But clearly we're sitting here talking on
[00:44:15] Speaker C: the SM7s but if somebody's gonna, if somebody's gonna DIY like the content and whatever you put out there for people, like that's what you want.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: I'm telling you, the amount of times we've done like most of the things, the content, our content that does the best is me. And in front of like with the iPhone, speaker and camera and the amount of people that would listen to that recording, you have no idea.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: I think of you, you and Chloe going back to the barrel of her guns, sitting with the truck.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people that would love to hear like just the audio, but there's the wind and it's like. Yeah, it's so subject to that, you know, but the content is, is so much more important than anything else, you know and just try to do it as much as you can. But yeah, when you said he's an audiophile, like sometimes when we have to record a song he will change different cable, like XLR cables.
Exaggeration.
[00:45:09] Speaker C: But you're making Me look bad Cables don't change the quality.
[00:45:13] Speaker A: But now, dude, he's. He's always in look for, like, the best sound we can get.
[00:45:17] Speaker C: Like, no, but I'd be switching microphones for different takes, which for the song, it makes no sense sometimes, but, like, some people say, like, why are you doing that as like a producer? Like, why are you changing gear? Or like, should I use this Gibson guitar or like, that Martin guitar. Right. Which one should I pick for the song?
[00:45:34] Speaker B: Do they have today? The sounds really that different on a Martin and Gibson?
[00:45:38] Speaker C: Yeah, it's different. And they, they.
They do different things and the song feels different. And when people ask me, like, why do you do that? Well, first, it's so fun to do it.
That's the main thing. The second thing is, like, is they always say that the listener is never going to be able to tell, right? Yeah, but that's not their job. It's my job. My job is that they can't tell. But I just made the best recording. Like, what they can feel. Right. I just want them to feel more.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:46:06] Speaker C: So that's my job.
[00:46:07] Speaker A: It goes back to that thing of, like, if he plays like, the two guitars, you might not listen to it, but, like, subconsciously, like, the feel of the song is like, absolutely.
[00:46:16] Speaker C: And sometimes you nail it, sometimes you fail and you. That's life. You know, sometimes I. I thought I had a great recording and people go, like, I wanted that more and that's fine. You know, it's not that. One of the things if. If you're starting out indie artists, like, you can't take anything personal, you know, just.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Oh, definitely not. If you guys have taken it personal when you started, you wouldn't be here right now. No, I want to be here doing this race rowdy thing right now.
[00:46:38] Speaker C: Honestly, you fail so many times and, you know, that's what makes you succeed in the end, you know, and you always keep failing. You never stop.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:44] Speaker C: There's not a point where, like, oh, okay, I'm always succeeding from now on. Like, you just. That doesn't exist.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: No, it doesn't exist. So what are the goals for City Creed? It's hard to believe that 2026 is almost over. We're here. Knock.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: I was talking to that with a friend.
Where the hell did the year go? Yeah, but yeah, for the. Towards the end of the year, you know, we're focusing on. On getting some songs ready, seeing what. What the net. What next year looks like. Maybe hopefully play a couple live shows and a lot of people have been asking for it, but I'm sure the
[00:47:15] Speaker B: comments are blowing up, being like, when are you coming to this place? When you come to that place. Not only the US but around the world.
[00:47:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:23] Speaker B: Chloe and Larry were talking about that. Germany, France, Russia, Australia.
[00:47:27] Speaker A: There's. So I was like, that's crazy that all these people, like, were. Were like, stat nerds when it comes to, like, figuring out, like, what the numbers are doing. And we see people listening in all these countries. I'm like, I didn't even know y'.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: All, like, like, my music where, like, Argentina, English is not even the first language.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:44] Speaker C: A lot of people don't speak English.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: Yeah. You know, it's very common for people to just not speak it. Yeah. So it's hard there.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: Yeah. In Asia, too. It's huge.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: And, well, that's what I'm like, music is the thing that translates to where, like, you look at the stuff that comes out of Latin America. Like, Bad Bunny doing the super bowl halftime show and not speaking one word of English. But the show. I don't speak Spanish at all. I understand, like, a tiny, tiny little bit, like, what the New York public education system taught me, which is not a whole lot, but I enjoyed that halftime show. Like, music, no matter what the language is, or, like, you look at, like, K pop.
[00:48:20] Speaker A: Like, the K pop, to me, was the. The biggest one that I was like, damn, that's crazy how big it got.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: We have no idea what they're saying.
[00:48:27] Speaker A: No idea what they're saying. But, like, just the melody is like, I have a couple of ones I have in a playlist, and I'm like, just. Just love the R B type.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Like, sonically, like, a melody or the production of a song or the tone of some. A guy or girl's voice, like, can translate a language barrier.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: That, to me is crazy. I've lived in myself. I have a bunch of Russian songs. I have no idea what they're saying. Some German song.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: I'm like, but they rock. They're cool. The techno, the. The house music on it.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: I don't know what.
Sick.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, you look at, like, Ramstein with freaking duas.
[00:48:58] Speaker C: Like, that was the worst.
[00:49:02] Speaker B: And we have no idea what he's saying.
[00:49:03] Speaker C: No.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: We have no idea what duhas means. I have no clue.
[00:49:07] Speaker C: Was it each ville was the other one.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: Each bill was another big one.
[00:49:10] Speaker C: Right.
[00:49:10] Speaker B: But it's like, then you watch their. The videos of their live shows in Europe, and they're shooting off these, like, flame.
[00:49:16] Speaker A: Like a jet pack. Yeah.
[00:49:18] Speaker B: He's like, yeah, dude, spectacle. It's Spectacle.
[00:49:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:49:22] Speaker A: One of the best live shows I've seen in my life.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: Yeah, dude. It's crazy. Did you guys grow up going to a lot of concerts?
[00:49:28] Speaker A: I didn't. He went to a lot.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: Yeah, but it was. It was a lot of hard rock, heavy metal, Argentina. When I was a kid, I was really. When I started doing guitar, I was like, on that shredding phase.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:38] Speaker C: And you get into those metal bands and hard rock and then, you know. But yeah, a lot of the last
[00:49:43] Speaker A: one we've been together was the right. Hot Chili Peppers.
[00:49:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I. I went a couple times with Chili Peppers, but the last one, I had to go again because for Shante, the Chili Peppers got back together. The original.
[00:49:55] Speaker B: Yeah. For you to get an original Chili Pepper show, that's huge.
[00:49:58] Speaker A: I saw a lot of reunions. Guns N Roses. Roses too.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: I think I saw. I saw Guns N' Roses. I didn't see them together.
I didn't. I never saw Slash and Axel together. But for. Shanta was one of my heroes growing up as a guitar player.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:12] Speaker C: And when he came back, I'm like, I have to go. You know, even though I went to the Chili Peppers, like, so many times, I have to go again.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: I'm going to see Limp Bizkit for the first time.
[00:50:19] Speaker A: Really?
[00:50:19] Speaker C: Damn.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: Really commented on one of the barrel of our guns. I was like, no.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Yeah, he lived. He live. He lived. He lives here in the Nashville area. He lives in Franklin.
[00:50:27] Speaker C: Oh, really?
[00:50:28] Speaker B: Scott Stapp lives around here. Like, there's a lot of the guys from.
What's the band from?
[00:50:34] Speaker C: Lit.
[00:50:34] Speaker B: That's in the. My Own Worst Enemy song. They live here in the Nashville area. Like, a lot of people of all different styles of music have moved here, particularly to just south of town. Like the Franklin area. That's where Fred's. Fred's at. He's in, like, the Leapers Fork area.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: That's great. Yeah. I think I heard in an interview Ed Sheeran also wanted to come to Nashville. Yeah.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: I mean, if you're a creator, it's a great spot to at least have a spot. Like, you guys have your apartment. Like, you have a spot here. You come as you need to, and then there's so much talent, and then you can get inspired. You can network. Co writing, I'm sure, was a new thing for you to learn it in
[00:51:07] Speaker A: my life, I was terrified. My first core, I was like, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm used to writing alone. In my room or with him. Like, that was it. I was like, I have to write with someone else. It's like, it's. It was very vulnerable thing, like writing.
[00:51:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:51:18] Speaker A: And. And luckily I got used to it.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: I love collaborating.
[00:51:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: And, yeah, there's. There's so much talent here. I remember the first time we came here, we went to see a live band and I was like, this is what we're up against. That is insane, dude.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: But the way. The way that you. That you should look at it. What I think makes the country world so special is it's. It's not. Oh, shoot. This is what we're up against. Oh, cool. These are people in the community.
[00:51:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Part of.
[00:51:43] Speaker B: You're part of a scene.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:44] Speaker B: Like the Chili Peppers and the west coast scene that came up, like Seattle with the grunge, like the Sat, Like Atlanta with the hip hop, or New York with the hip hop, or Texas now with the rock stuff. Like, it's a scene.
[00:51:55] Speaker A: That's what I love that. That, you know, I never had here before. Coming, like, with. With Ben and the guys, like, there's. We have like a little group of friends that we hang out. Like, sometimes they'll call it like 12:00pm like 12:00am, 1:00am it's like, you want to go, right? Sure.
[00:52:10] Speaker B: And. And that's the beauty of what we get to do with having the community. With Razor Audi, like, I met. I'm at you. I met you through Chloe. I met you through him. I met Chloe through Tyler Nance, who brought her to. Just like she brought you to Odies when she first moved to town. Tyler brought her to Odies, and that was how I met her. Like, and then I met Tyler through him. Being new in town, living in a camper north of town in Kentucky, like, you just. You meet people and then you get to see the guys and girls that are new to town, you know, Dude. And it's just. It's special.
So I'm so happy you guys are. You guys are here, and I look forward to hanging more on this trip. Maybe we can get out on the golf course.
[00:52:49] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: We can get you guys to pop up on a stage, but at the very least, let's get together, have a cigar, do something.
[00:52:55] Speaker C: Definitely.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: I speak for, I think, everyone in the Nashville and in the country music world where I say, welcome, guys. Like, you guys, we love having you all here and we love having you guys as a of.
[00:53:07] Speaker A: Part.
[00:53:07] Speaker B: Part of this format, of this genre and love. Can't wait to see where the rocket ship of City Creed goes because like you said, you remember when there were 20 monthly listeners, 200 monthly listeners, and now you boys are in the millions, and you're still just working your way up the staircase to where you ultimately want to be. Yeah. Which I think after talking to you guys, I don't know if you'll ever get to where you truly want to be because you're just so damn driven to where the net. There's always going to be some else. There's always going to be A next thing, 100%, which is a beautiful thing. So I appreciate you boys coming on here. Very happy. I got to pop the podcast cherry with you, add you to the list. And I got some more hats. So Mark, you can be in the Razor Audi hat club as well. I know he's been wearing the heck out of that do what hat?
[00:53:51] Speaker A: I put it in the washer.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: So we'll get you and we give picture. You guys can pick out some stuff. And then we got some. Some surf sides over there, some vodka lemonades, vodka ice teas you guys can take back to the apartment and enjoy. We can enjoy some on the golf
[00:54:03] Speaker C: course, too, for sure. That. That'd be nice.
[00:54:05] Speaker B: We can definitely do that. Well, y' all be sure to check out our fellas from City Creed. If you haven't listened to the barrel of her gun yet, you guys are living under a damn rock. Go check out all the other great songs that the boys have out. Be on the lookout for what they're working on.
Are we thinking before the end of the year, new music?
[00:54:21] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, Absolutely. For sure.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: Without hesitation. So new. New music coming before the end of the year. I can't wait for a damn project to come.
Yes, sir, that's what I can't wait for. I can't wait for it all to come together. But y' all be sure to check out the boys from City Creed. Shout out to our friends from Surfside, no bubbles means no troubles. And for more on us, visit raise Rowdy.com for my boys, Mark and Andre, I'm Matt Burrill. This has been outside the round
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[00:54:52] Speaker B: place for too long I ain't never
[00:54:55] Speaker C: been the best at s I love
[00:54:58] Speaker B: you to a girl I love only
[00:55:00] Speaker C: got a couple tricks up my sleeve
[00:55:03] Speaker B: they usually just make them leave so
[00:55:07] Speaker A: if you know me if you really
[00:55:09] Speaker C: know me you know I'm just a two trick pony but maybe the drink
[00:55:15] Speaker B: and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony
[00:55:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
