Averie Bielski: From TikTok Breakthrough to Publishing Deal & Finding Her Voice

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Come on. This is Outside the Round with Matt Burrill for Rage Rowdy Podcast. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of Outside the Round. Shout out to our friends from Surfside. No bubbles, no troubles. Today, a very special guest, a longtime homie, a true little sister of our Razor. Howdy family, it's our girl, Avery Bielski. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me. [00:00:34] Speaker A: How you doing? [00:00:35] Speaker B: Good. Tired. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Tired. [00:00:37] Speaker B: I'm so excited to be here. [00:00:38] Speaker A: So you came out here from Knoxville. What were you doing out there? [00:00:40] Speaker B: So we did a, like, charity country club round up there, which was so fun. Cuz people up there don't really see writers rounds all the time, so they're like, locked in. But it was so fun. We did that. And then I go back to Georgia after this home for a minute, which would be fun. [00:00:54] Speaker A: That'll be great. And you were just in New York City? [00:00:57] Speaker B: Oh, yes, we were in New York, which was a time. But yeah, it was good. We played around up there too, which was awesome. But same thing. Like, no one ever experiences rounds, really outside of Nashville much. So when we play like, outside of the state, people are like, this is the coolest thing ever. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:12] Speaker B: And I'm like, but yeah, it was fun. We were there. So fun. [00:01:15] Speaker A: That's awesome. And you're getting to do all this with some of your best friends. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Oh, yes. That's been literally the biggest blessing out of all of it. [00:01:21] Speaker A: So who was on the New York trip? I know Grace was up there. Olivia was up there. [00:01:24] Speaker B: It was Grace. Olivia, and then our friend Tess Shannon, who just moved from New York. [00:01:29] Speaker A: Nice. [00:01:30] Speaker B: So she just had all like, the BMI connects up there and. Yeah. Set up our shows up there. [00:01:34] Speaker A: Had you been to New York before? [00:01:36] Speaker B: So I have. I played around there with Calista and Emily Shackleton like two years ago, but we were there for like 24 hours, so I didn't get to do anything. But this was my first time, like, actually experiencing New York. And I literally thought of you because I passed a certain bagel place, I think, and I was like, matt would love to be here. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's home, man. And now's a great time to go because it's like. And it was just warm up there too. Like. Or were you up there when it was cold? [00:02:02] Speaker B: It was like mid. It wasn't too bad. It was like 50. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:05] Speaker B: It wasn't terrible. But I heard last week was so nice. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah, they got. Yeah, it was like 70s this past week. And then they got like three and a half feet of snow this year. It was, like, the heaviest snow that New York has gotten, like, in my lifetime. And. And, like 30 something years. They got crazy. And it's like, where do you put it? Because, you know, New York City, like, where do you put it? [00:02:27] Speaker B: That, like, it sounds like a disaster. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was crazy up there, but that's awesome. You've gotten to. You've been staying busy and just running, and we're on year three of your publishing deal at Sony Music. [00:02:37] Speaker B: What's crazy? Don't remind me. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Talk about what a blessing it's been just to have that, because you and I have known each other for a while, and we'll get into that in a little while. When we first met back in. Back in the day, I was a child. [00:02:48] Speaker B: I still am, but. [00:02:50] Speaker A: But talk about signing with Sony and just how that's all been for you. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that was crazy. So I moved here at 18, obviously. Literally known you since then, but. Which was wild. I didn't think my parents would ever let me do that. That was, like, not something that was ever even a possibility, but I did it. And, yeah. So moved here at 18, and my whole goal was like, I'm gonna get a publishing deal. Which was insane to say that in my first year of moving to Nashville, I wanted to sign a publishing deal, but my mom's always said, if I say I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do it. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:24] Speaker B: So I just put my head down and was writing twice a day, every day, Monday through Friday. And, yeah, I got connected with Sony because I posted. I used to use TikTok, like, my publisher, when I didn't have one at the time. And I would be like, this song. It was, like, kind of cringy looking back, but I would be like, this song's for so and so. Like, tag them in the comments, whatever. And I had a ton of videos pop off and being like, oh, so and so should cut this. So and so should put this out. Whatever. And there was one in particular that Lauren Elena commented on, and I originally was like, this song's for Kelsey Ballerini. Like, attack her in the comments. And then Lauren Elena commented on it, and then she put a couple of my songs on hold, and she didn't end up cutting any. Any of them, which is totally fine, because that's literally how the door opened with Sony. But her manager at the time connected me with Rusty, and. And then I just adored everyone over there. And then got connected with Snowvia, and then I've Been with her for, like, two and a half years now, which is crazy. Like, but it has been the biggest blessing just to be able to, like, literally do what I love every single day, and it's just incredible. [00:04:29] Speaker A: And the roster of guys and girls that are over there, particularly guys that know how to write with girls, you know? And you're a young artist as well, so it's like, there's. You'll get thrown in a room with people, I'm sure. And I'm sure early on, it was intimidating, but so you built. But you build your. Your f. Family and, like, your crew of friends outside of your publisher, but also the folks that you see and you write within the fire hall and in those different rooms that they have there at Sony. [00:04:54] Speaker B: It's so funny because I never went to college, but, like, I literally view Music Row as, like, frat houses and, like, college. I'm like, Sony, Warner, Universal. Like, it's hilarious. But, yeah, it's so fun to even get to do it with, like, everyone that I'm just best friends with and that I spend life with. But, yeah, it's so awesome because Sydney's over there, and then Elise is over there at Sony, and then half of our groups at, like, Warner, too. So it's just so fun. [00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah. So I want to back up. Take me down to Roswell, Georgia. So what was it like growing up, and where in the state exactly, is Roswell? [00:05:28] Speaker B: Okay. It's like, oh, if I get this wrong, I'm gonna. I'm gonna be cooked. But it's like, 20 minutes right outside of Atlanta. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Direction wise, I'm pretty sure it's, like, northeast. Okay. [00:05:41] Speaker A: So it's like, going towards, like, Augusta in that area. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Yes. I want to say like, nearing Augusta. [00:05:46] Speaker A: And then going towards. Going closer to South Carolina than going then going to Tennessee. Okay. [00:05:51] Speaker B: So. But yeah, so I grew up there. Literally never moved my whole life. Just stayed in Georgia the whole time. I literally wrote songs when I was, like, 9, and they were not good, and they were awful and terrible, but we gotta start somewhere. Yeah, I literally. It's so embarrassing. I did it because this one boy in elementary school played piano. I was like, I'm gonna impress him by writing a song. And then I took the bit way too far, and now here we are, which is so funny. But, yeah, grew up there. And then around high school was when I decided that I wanted to do music and especially songwriting full time, because I grew up playing softball since I was, like, 7 or 8. And then your typical story. But I wanted to play in college and then I had a huge knee injury. Massive. Could not play again. There was like, there's no way I'm stepping back on that field. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:42] Speaker B: And so that's when I started post on Tick Tock. Was this shows my age, but it was Covid. I was a sophomore when Covet hit, I think. And that's when I started to post, which was wild. Which was literally like six years ago. But, yeah, I started post on Tick Tock and then stuff just kind of started rolling after that, which was crazy. But, yeah, I mean, I love Georgia, though. I love to go back. Can't wait to go back this weekend. But so happy to be here. And I will be here until the day I die, probably. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And you did some musical theater stuff too, right? Yeah, I did. I did a deep dive. I did a deep dive. I got some notes here, sis. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. You have to insert, like, one picture. I have to send you. Yeah, I did. How did you find that? [00:07:23] Speaker A: The robots. The robots. [00:07:25] Speaker B: The chat AI Chat. [00:07:26] Speaker A: Gbt. I'm like, I know this girl very well. Like, we are close friends. But I'm like, what kind of deep dive can the Internet pull? [00:07:36] Speaker B: An awful one, probably. Oh, my God. [00:07:38] Speaker A: Doesn't say. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Like, I haven't thought about my musical theater days in forever. [00:07:41] Speaker A: Yeah. How long did you do that for? [00:07:42] Speaker B: I just did it in, like, middle school. But, like, I thought it was the coolest thing ever. And I was like, I love. I was literally the dog in. Oh, my gosh. I forget what Peter Pan. They literally were like, if you want to lead role, you also have to be the dog. I will send you that picture. It's the worst picture of my life. [00:08:00] Speaker A: Like, literally, like, we're going to get a great photo. This is going to be elite content. Right? [00:08:06] Speaker B: Like, I can't believe. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Like, but I feel like. But I feel like the theater thing, it's like when people talk about leading worship in church, where you're used to performing in front of people and did [00:08:16] Speaker B: that in high school. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Oh, you did. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Okay, so I did both. And that's kind of what. Not that, like, worship is like a performance, but also it, like, put me out on a stage in front of people for the first time. [00:08:26] Speaker A: I think I think of it as a performance because I grew up, like, I grew up in the Episcopal church. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:31] Speaker A: It's more Catholic style. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:33] Speaker A: So it's like. [00:08:33] Speaker B: So. Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Okay. So it's like, old. It's. So you were singing in choir? [00:08:36] Speaker B: Yes, I did. I did Choir, worship, literally all the things, all the musical things. Until I was just like, you know what I think I want to do? [00:08:45] Speaker A: Because it blew my mind when I went to my first like megachurch experience down here. [00:08:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:50] Speaker A: And I was like, whoa, this is like Rockstar Church. Like the production that goes into it. And like having like a live band there. [00:08:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Blew my mind. [00:08:58] Speaker B: It's crazy. [00:08:59] Speaker A: And it's like, it makes sense because I mean, that's how like BK and Tyler Hubard got put together. Was. They were. I didn't know that they were at Belmont and they were both leading worship at Belmont and that's how they met each other. Was through. Was through. Whoever was running that was like, hey, Brian, Hey Tyler, you guys need to know each other. And then they started a Broadway band from there. That's how FGL happened, was two guys. [00:09:20] Speaker B: FG is coming back. [00:09:21] Speaker A: They are, they are literally coming back 100%. [00:09:24] Speaker B: 100% excited. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And our bro country night's going to be crazy. [00:09:29] Speaker B: I. I literally go to bed thinking about it every night. I am so excited. [00:09:32] Speaker A: And it's funny cuz it's like your reaction to it, Grace's reaction to it, Cali Prince's reaction. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Our whole friend group was like, this [00:09:38] Speaker A: is going to be the best. Kelly was like, this is. She was like, this is what we grew up listening to. Like, and even going back to like elementary and middle school. Like, some of the first songs you guys heard were those 100 were FGL, Sam Hunt, early Luke Bryan, the spring break record. Like, that was what you guys grew up to. [00:09:55] Speaker B: It is. Which is crazy. It's like, I've also listened to like old classic country and I've grown to love it over the years. But my first concert was Sam Hunt at the old Brave Stadium. And then my second, like big concert was back to back nights. It was fgl. I was in seventh grade. It was FGL and Nelly. [00:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Like, I still think that was like elite. Like, those were the two best nights of my life. [00:10:17] Speaker A: I saw that same tour in New Jersey. [00:10:20] Speaker B: Electric. [00:10:20] Speaker A: I saw FGL back in the day because that was back when I used to drink and it was an event. And Nikki T. Tells these stories. He's. He told me, he's like, when FGL announces their tour, we're gonna have to put together the old school raise rowdy thing, which was back before it was even like a business. Nick would organize a group of friends to go. Everyone would buy their lawn tickets and Nick would put together like a school bus full of people. To go and tailgate in Pittsburgh and in eastern Ohio. And Nick and his friends, when they were in their 30s, would go to FGL shows and just rage. That was, like, the early days of, like, the raised rowdy community. [00:10:56] Speaker B: I would have loved that if I was. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's what I mean. I remember seeing FGL on Good Morning America, the girl I was dating at the time in college, and I went, and I remember drinking on the train and showing up there and watching, like, them play in Central park in New York City on Good Morning America. And, like, 2014, you know, like, they're a huge chapter, and they influenced so much. I mean, if you don't have fgl, you don't have Wallen, you know? [00:11:22] Speaker B: Percent oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize at the time how big of a shift that was in country music. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Because it's just kind of like when I first started to. Like, when I probably got a phone and started listening to my own music and streaming, whatever. I didn't realize how crazy that was at, like, at the time for them to be doing that. [00:11:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I remember them winning their. I think it was New Artists of the year duo. It was like, their first ACM or CMA award. And I remember them saying, like, we're gonna. We've got, like, country music as well. Like, we're gonna. Trust us guys. We're gonna take this in a cool direction. [00:11:54] Speaker B: And they did. [00:11:55] Speaker A: And they did. [00:11:56] Speaker B: And they did. [00:11:56] Speaker A: It was an awesome run, and it's gonna be awesome when they come back. And it's just the. The balance of having. Because obviously, like, sad. Sad songs and realness and authenticity and that traditional sound, we love that too. But there's something about having that party and that element, because then it makes you forget about all the BS in the world. [00:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:17] Speaker A: You know, that's so. There's a lot of it right now. You know, there's so much of it, and people need that distraction. So it's like having a song to cry to or having. Having those. Those deep lyrics that you see in, like, the Zach Brian stuff, like, other acts in that lane. I think we. We're all craving that party. We're all craving that fun time at a tailgate with our friends. [00:12:38] Speaker B: 100%. I know. It's like, I was literally talking about this the other day with all my friends, but because someone said, they're like, we're not doctors. We don't save lives every day. And, like, not in a belittling way, but, like, our. They said it in a way of, like, our job isn't that important. And then I really thought about it, and I was like, no, it is. Like, when doctors even go into, like. Like, rooms or whatever and perform surgeries, half of them are like, I want to put on some music. Or, like, I want to. And I didn't realize, like, we have the gift of, like, writing the soundtrack to people's lives. Like, yeah, that's, like, crazy. And I didn't think about it, and I was like, even though some days it feels like nothing's happening, but, like, it just takes one. And it's like a song can impact anyone's life so much. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And especially in today's day and age, where you're a huge product of using TikTok as a tool and using it as an outlet. And it's funny because it's like, back in the day, it used to have to be that you would come to town and you would play a whiskey jam or play an event or. Or rowdy on the rail, like we do nowadays, you know, and that would be how you'd get discovered, in a sense. But now. And you'd have to do all these things to impress all these people. But now it's like, you can just throw yourself out there to the world. And that's what you were doing in [00:13:52] Speaker B: high school, which was. I didn't realize that's what I was doing at the time. Like, when I was posting everything, it was obviously like, just from my friends and whoever was following me. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, there's a hundred thousand people, like, following me. Like, this is a fan base. And then I had a couple people from Nashville reach out. And I'll never. I'll literally never forget my dad had my email at the time just to, like, double check everything because I was literally still in high school. [00:14:23] Speaker A: Smart, smart parents. Shout out to dads. Shout out more parents. If you have young artists, young songwriters coming up, it is important to keep an eye on who is communicating with them. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Literally that. And I missed an email from Charlie Salvatore. I hope I'm saying his last name correct. I always mess it up. And he's a manager in town. So successful. So awesome. Great. And I just, like, didn't think anything of it, and I thought it was spam or whatever, so I just didn't answer. And my dad text me. He's like, hey, did you see this email? Like, you might want to actually look at this. And then turns out he was, like, the first person I got connected with. In town. And then without that, I don't know where I would be. Because then he connected me with my lawyer, and then my lawyer connected me with these people. And it's just like that one, like, a missed email could have just, like, done it for me, but thank God for my dad, because he was like, you need to check this. You need to answer this email. I was like, okay. And then it just spider webbed into a whole network of people. But I just think it was so funny. Cause I was like, could have just missed the email, and who knows where I would be. [00:15:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you never know. So much of it is just walking through doors. [00:15:27] Speaker B: Mm. [00:15:27] Speaker A: It's just walking through doors and putting yourself out there, Especially when you move here at 18. What was it like being so young? I know we. We got to have you at Live Oak a bunch early on, and it seems like that was a big connecting spot for you. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Yes, it was. Literally. Thank y' all for having me out. Literally 18. But it was like, such. Not like a crutch in a good way of like, oh, this is where I can go, where I can, like, find community and family. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker B: It was crazy, though, for sure, because especially in high school, like, I was straight laced. Like, I didn't break any rules. And I remember I was talking to Chandler Walters before I moved because we grew up near each other. And he was like, you have to get a fake id. He's like, there's no way you will survive this town without one. And I was like. I was like, I don't know if I can do that. Like, I've never broken a rule in my life. And I remember the year before I moved, the Christmas before I moved, my sister, like, brought me this giant box on Christmas, and it was just her ID sitting there. Like, her extra ID sitting in, like, the giant box. And my parents were like, come on, for real. But she gave me her fake ID for Christmas, and then that's. And I wouldn't even drink. Like, I would just use. [00:16:37] Speaker A: I remember I remembered, yeah, you were never drinking alcohol. Underage. [00:16:42] Speaker B: I was so scared. [00:16:43] Speaker A: And we even. We even had the cooler on stage, full of the bush light and the high rises and all the stuff, and you wouldn't touch it. [00:16:50] Speaker B: I was just so. I was like, I can't get in trouble. And of course, I got more lax when I got closer to 21. But, like, I remember there was one day, it was my sister's birthday, which is in September, and mine's in October, and I was walking in Live Oak with Parker Gray. And it was her birthday, my sister's birthday in September. And I handed them the id, and the bouncer was like, I'm so dumb. But the bouncer was like, oh, my gosh, Happy birthday. And I go, it's not my birthday. And then Parker was like, shut up. Like, you're about to get yourself kicked out of here. And I was like, I'm just kidding. Like, 22. [00:17:23] Speaker A: I just don't want attention. [00:17:25] Speaker B: I was like, that's awesome. I was like, what is going on? But, yeah, there were so many of those days where I'd get so anxious because I'm like, I just want to see these people at this bar. So I remember just trudging around town with me and my sister. My sister's id and trying to make it work. [00:17:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Crazy. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And you moved here at such a great time, too. Like, the post Covid class of songwriters and artists that started showing up around here is so strong. And I always say to Nick that we were very lucky to get to be a part of the early steps for a lot of you guys and girls, with having the rounds and hanging out at Red Door. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Y' all were literally such a blessing. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's like, you mentioned Chandler. You know, Like, I remember meeting him, and then I remember. I remember trying to help him get into Red Door. You know, like, after a show, I think we went to a Mike Ryan concert at the Exit End with Mike Stoll, the tattoo artist. Shout out to Mike Stoll. Tattoos. Best in the business. But it's like the whole crop of you got guys that moved here because it was an interesting time. It's like, it had to be weird to be in high school when the world was shut down. [00:18:30] Speaker B: It was wild. It definitely. I look at as. Obviously, it was awful, but, like, I look at it as a blessing because it gave me two years to do what, like, ever I wanted. Like, literally, my school, this is. This is awful. But my school is like, if you're feeling sick, don't show up. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:45] Speaker B: I had 141 class absences my senior year. [00:18:49] Speaker A: Wow. [00:18:49] Speaker B: Because I just knew I wanted to be in Nashville. And I was so, like, ready to be in Nashville, where I was just, like, trying to take as many trips as possible, doing all the things. But it gave me so much time because there was really nothing to do during COVID at that age. So I just worked on music, posted, did a bunch of things. [00:19:09] Speaker A: But honestly, it prepped you for you. Talk about you didn't go to college. Your college experience Was moving here at 18 and learning how to write songs and learning how music row worked and performing and making friends and doing all of that. Seems like that was the perfect, like, precursor. [00:19:24] Speaker B: It was you taking. [00:19:26] Speaker A: You not going. You're not doing algebra or history, but you crafting songs and doing cover videos and posting them. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it was. It was awesome. Looking back and in the moment I was like wanting to rip my hair out because I was like, I don't want to be in Georgia anymore. I want to be somewhere else. But it was such a blessing. Looking back. It was awesome. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah. That's huge. And you've gotten to. I remember this is a fun moment. I remember you. And I remember it was at one of our rounds and I remember, I think it was Nick that had the conversation with you and you were talking about really craving your publishing deal and wanting to be a writer. And Nick looking at you and saying, oh, honey, you're an artist. [00:20:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Like, you're an artist. [00:20:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:08] Speaker A: And that was back. That was a few years back. And since then, it's like getting to watch you release songs and you're playing our stage at Rock the Country down in Bloomingdale, Georgia. A home show at a festival. A major festival. [00:20:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:24] Speaker A: In your home state. And it's. You've gotten to put songs out there. You've gotten to put projects out there. So talk about that transition of going from the young girl from Georgia that wanted to just be writing songs to putting songs out yourself. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah. It's also crazy cuz I'm still trying to figure it out. Cuz like, I. When he said that to me, I like, laughed because I think even since I was a little girl, I've always known that I wanted to do the artist thing and put music out myself and a project and all the things. But for some reason I've always kind of like pushed it down and then like, no, I just want to write songs, which I have been doing like Monday through Friday, usually writing for other people and especially my friends and writing for their projects. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:05] Speaker B: But, yeah, it's just. There's always been like a little whisper being like, you should do the artist thing. You should do the artist thing. So I think it just like starting to like, not look at it so big and just take it like step by step and like, okay, I'm gonna put out this project. I'm gonna take this opportunity, say yes to this. And I think my whole thing two years ago was just like, start saying yes to things. Just say yes to everything. In Moderation but say yes to everything and just see kind of where it takes you. And there's just been a lot of awesome opportunities that have just popped up that I'm like, I can't say no to this. Even if I. Like, I don't think I have the money or the time or whatever, I'm like, the Lord will provide somehow. Like, we're just gonna say yes, but it's just been awesome. And, like, even Rock the Country coming up in May, which is literally next month, which is crazy. Like, I. I was so nervous even last year because I never played full band. But thank you all for asking me to play full band because, like, I just feel like those little moments have prepped me for what. What is to come, hopefully. And even for, like, the Rock country festival and everything. But, yeah, I'm just excited to see what opportunities pop up and what other artist things happen, because I'm still, like, I. I feel, like, almost still pretty, not green, but, like, younger. [00:22:22] Speaker A: You are. You're How. You're how old now? [00:22:24] Speaker B: I'm 22. [00:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah, you're 22. You're a baby. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Like, you are. [00:22:28] Speaker B: And it's so. Because it's funny, in my head, I'm 26 because all my friends are older, and I feel like I skipped skipping college. I felt like I moved here and I was 22. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:38] Speaker B: But I'm like, whoa. I'm literally 22 right now. I have some time to figure it out. And it doesn't feel like that most days. I feel like I'm always like, I'm so behind. But in all reality, I'm like, I'm 22. I should be graduating college in a month. Like, it'll work out. [00:22:54] Speaker A: And it's almost like Rock the Country lines up with. When your college graduation would have been that crazy. [00:23:00] Speaker B: That is actually insane. I didn't think about that. Wow, that's wild. [00:23:04] Speaker A: And it's like the steps that you took. You moved here, and you started co writing, and you started co writing with people, and you found your friends. You talk about Greek life kind of coinciding with the different publishing houses on Music Row. You were in your sorority. You still are. [00:23:21] Speaker B: That's so fun. [00:23:21] Speaker A: It's crazy. And you've gotten to take awesome trips. Like what. Like what college kids do. Where you got. You've gotten to go and play in New York, and you just got to do that benefit in Knoxville. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:31] Speaker A: You've gotten to. Your projects. Are your. Your music that. Whether it's a cut or it's Something you're releasing. [00:23:36] Speaker B: You're right. I never thought about. [00:23:37] Speaker A: You know, it's funny how. And you talk about the way that the world works and the way the Lord works. It all happened for a reason, you know. [00:23:45] Speaker B: That's crazy. I didn't think about that because a lot of my friends, when I'm playing rock country, a lot of my friends are going to be graduating and some of them can't make it because they're like, I have too much going on for grad week or whatever. [00:23:56] Speaker A: They're walking across the stage and getting their diploma. You're walking on stage and playing in front of thousands of people in your home state. [00:24:02] Speaker B: That's crazy, right? God is good. That's crazy. That's wild. I didn't think about that. But yeah, I mean I'm just, I'm so thankful that I listened to whatever or God was telling me to just take the chance and just do it. Like even though it was looking back, I had so much peace when I was doing it. I guess like in the moment, I had so much peace when I was doing it. But looking back I'm like, that was insane. Like who let me just pick up my life, move in with a 28 year old roommate who was also a marine. She's awesome. But like I was 18 living with a 28 year old and a 24 year old at the time and it was just, it was wild looking back. But now I'm like, it all worked out and it's all gonna continue to work out. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Talk about the mindset of being a young female in town and you surround yourself with some great friends. Like your, your girl gang is as strong as any that's in town right now. Like you've got some incredible homies and you all go through stuff, whether it be personal or career stuff. But how do you keep yourself like in a good frame of mind? Cuz it's like you're all here to do the same thing and someone will get a cut or get a song that'll do. Crazy. And it's like you want to be there to support them, but at the same time there's that thing inside that's like, man, I wish that was me. You know, like it's a, it's a tough balancing act. [00:25:20] Speaker B: It is. It also, I feel like comes really easy with those girls because we were literally talking about this yesterday. But it's like when one of them wins, the only thing all of us feel are like joy and wanting to celebrate that person. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:34] Speaker B: And like I Feel like, I don't know, having that mindset literally shifts everything. And especially this is kind of, like, off topic. But, like, in town, too, being a young female in town, there's a couple rooms I've been in with other young female writers, and I'm not saying this in a bad way, but they'll come in and they'll complain about, oh, it's male dominated. It's this blah, blah, blah, blah. Not to be like, tough love, but you just got to suck it up and put your head forward and keep going. Like, if you go through every day being like, woe is me. Like, I'm like, I'm not a guy. I would be farther if I was a guy. You cannot think like that. You just have to be like, okay, how am I going to do this? And how am I going to work around this and show even, like, all the males in town and, like, industry people that, like, I'm here to stay and I'm going to win and do this eventually? Like, it's gonna work. But, yeah, you just can't have that mindset of, like, oh, like, it's. It's just not gonna work. [00:26:29] Speaker A: You can't be a victim. [00:26:30] Speaker B: No, you can't. You cannot. But I think just anyway, with, like, a mix of that and always, even with my girlfriends just pushing each other to be better every day, like, feel like also, I live with Grace temporarily right now, Grace Tyler. And, like, it feels she shows me a song, I'm like, oh, that's really good. Like, I need to top that the next day. And like, we all just. It's fun. And it's. It's a fun, competitive. It's not ever, like, actually jealous or angry type of competitive. [00:27:00] Speaker A: If you have that jealous or angry mindset, then you're not hanging out with the right people, you know? And it's Nick, Nikki T. Talks about this all the time where it's high tides, raise all ships. You know, like, your whole crew will come up together. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:13] Speaker A: My favorite example of it was in 2020 when the DDID moment happened with Trey. You know, we got a platinum plaque fort sitting right there, and that's still not hung up. It's been there for years. I haven't freaking hung it up in here, but eventually. But it's like that. That. That moment in that round got eyes on everyone that Trey was around because everyone was like, who the hell is this Trey Lewis guy? And Sony was the early one to the party where. Yeah, that was where I remember Trey, Ella, Joy, Beth, Alex Maxwell, and Matt McKinney all signed their publishing deals together. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yep. [00:27:46] Speaker A: At Sony. And it was like Trey had the moment, but now look at where all those people are, especially Ella and Joy, Beth and Alex Maxwell. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Like, yeah, it's Wild Stella. And, I mean, I guess all of them, but Ella and Joy, Beth and Alex just had all their first number ones in the past, like, year, which is crazy, but it is crazy. It's like, I almost, like, see in a. In a good way. I almost see my group of, like, Madison, Grace, Olivia, Eli, Tommy, jd, Like, in that shadow of that. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:17] Speaker B: It's just. It's also very, like, affirming when everyone's like, keep working together and rise up together. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:23] Speaker B: The minute you try to hop away and try to jump in front of everyone and ladder climb, it's just like. It also takes the fun out of it all. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Like, we get to hang out every single day, do what we love every single day together, and just watch each other's success grow and help each other. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And I've always heard that songwriting is so vulnerable, or at least, like, for what. What you guys do, like, the songs you put out. Like, you're going to vulnerable places. Grace certainly goes to vulnerable places. Eli goes to vulnerable place. Madison, Olivia. Ryan cone is a great job of getting the vulnerability out. And you're going to be vulnerable with your homies, with the people that you trust, that you consider family. [00:28:59] Speaker B: It's the easiest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And me and. Me and Grace literally talk about that all the time. And she even says sometimes, like, she'll go into a room, and it's almost like you have to start fresh, which is fine. And that's how new relationships start. But it's almost like she can just breathe and there's a weight off her shoulders when she walks into room with me, Clara, Olivia, and whatever she's. Yeah, they already know what's going on in my life. Like, they already know what I like to write, how I write. And it just makes the day so much easier and so much fun. And it's just like, I. If I have a week with all of my best friends, it's the best week ever. And, yes, there's some weeks where I'm trying new combos and trying new things, and it's like, not that it's a bad thing, but it is more taxing because I'm like, okay, I gotta be on. I gotta impress. I gotta figure this out. [00:29:44] Speaker A: It's like going on a date. [00:29:46] Speaker B: Mm. It literally is. It's like dating. So Five dates in a week. I'm like, this is brutal. Yeah, it's almost worse than actually dating brutal out here, man. [00:29:57] Speaker A: So. So you got to. You put out a project, put out an EP back in the fall. So what was that process? [00:30:03] Speaker B: Like, this is funny. I. So I dated someone all of. Like, I swore I would not date someone and figure my stuff out when I moved here, but I ended up dating someone all of 2024. And I was just writing throughout that and writing before that and really focused on the writing aspect. And then as soon as we broke up, I was like, you know what? I got something to say. So it was so fun. I called, like, Sydney, Cubitt, Olivia, and Ryan, and I was like, hey, like, do you want to take a weekend and just, like, write for this project? And they dropped everything, and literally, that's what we did. And then I took all my girlfriends down to my hometown in Georgia, like, the house I grew up in. And my parents left for the weekend, and they let us have the house, and we just drank a ton of wine and wrote a ton of songs for it. And it was just, look like I'm gonna look back on those days and just cherish them because it was so fun. But, yeah. So all of 2025, I kind of. The beginning of 2025, I wrote for that project and then put it out. End of 2025, Ryan produced the whole thing, and it was just so fun to work on the whole thing with my friends. I was like, this is awesome. This is what it's about. But, yeah, it was just me sharing a bit of my story. And there's two songs on there that I wrote in, like, 2023. [00:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:23] Speaker B: One being Secondhand Smoke, which was one of my favorites that I wrote with Chase McDaniel and Aaron Pollock, and it was passed around a couple artists and never really landed. Landed or was cut or anything. And then at one point, I was like, you know what? I love this song so much. I just want to put it out there, and if someone wants to cut it from there, great. But, yeah, working on that project was probably one of the best times in Nashville, for sure. [00:31:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So talk about the evolution of your music. Like, you put out your first single. I do too. [00:31:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:31:56] Speaker A: Back in 2021. And I remember. Was your first song in Nashville. Was that. Was it Run or was it Wind Up, Wind Up, Wind Up. I remember when that came out. Yeah. [00:32:06] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh, this is crazy. But, yeah, so I teased that was, like, one of the first, like, real country Songs I wrote and I teased it on TikTok, and then it just started to do numbers. And I was like, oh, gosh, I have to put this out. Like, I can't not, like, fumble the bag on this one. So I called Chandler and I was like, dude, I gotta put this song out. Like, what do I do? And he connected me with this guy back in our hometown, David and me, Chandler and him produced the whole thing when I was, like, 17, 16. Oh, my gosh. I haven't thought about this forever. [00:32:37] Speaker A: That was. That was. I do, too. [00:32:38] Speaker B: That was. I do, too. Yeah. That was so funny. But then I put that out. Yeah. Shout out them for doing that. And then I just started to tease more music and whatever. And whatever one did well, I would put out. So I put out a couple more songs like Cry Boy and Run. [00:32:54] Speaker A: This is, like, right off the track. Something only pictures know. [00:32:59] Speaker B: This is like. Of course. Like, I look back and I'm like, those songs are awful. [00:33:03] Speaker A: But right, right, right off the. Right off track, I'm, like, getting chills, [00:33:08] Speaker B: like you saying this, but in the moment, it got me to where I am today, so I can't complain. But I remember Wind up was the first song I put out. Oh, yeah. I literally forgot about this. Wind out was. Wind up was the first song I put out in Nashville that I wrote with Clara Chase McDaniel and Zach John King, which was crazy because they were like. I started to get close with them when I first moved to town, before any of us had deals, which was insane. And that was the song that was held by Lauren Elena that got me my deal. And then nobody really wanted to cut it or it didn't stick anywhere, so I was like, you know what? I'll just put it out. And, yeah, I put out that version and then an acoustic version later on. I did, like, a songwriter's ep. Yeah, before that, but I mean, after that. But that's wild. So many full circle things. You're, like, digging up from the graveyard. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And then you've gotten to do some collabs as well. You did break up in here with Duke. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Duke Jones. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Who? We love him. [00:34:06] Speaker B: I love him. [00:34:08] Speaker A: And he's. He's one again. One of those young kids that's just scratching the surface. [00:34:12] Speaker B: He's awesome. [00:34:13] Speaker A: I love Duke. He did this. You did the song with schools too? [00:34:17] Speaker B: Yes, I did. That was recent. That was the only time we've ever written, which is crazy. And then we just, like, put out the song. Really? [00:34:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Let's just put it out. I've done, actually, a lot of collabs, which is so funny. [00:34:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I see all the. All the featured on. You did with. With Calista. [00:34:31] Speaker B: Yes. She's been one of my super, super close friends in town. We. That song's super special to me. I'd love not by you, but I did that collab with her, which was probably one of my favorites, for sure. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's funny, her last ep, I'm just looking again, the full circle stuff. It came out on my birthday this year. Yeah, the EP came. [00:34:52] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:34:53] Speaker A: Came out on my birthday, January 23rd. That's 26, which is crazy. It is. [00:34:57] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. [00:34:58] Speaker A: But talk about just how you've noticed kind of the evolution of yourself with your music. Like, you look back on those early songs and now the stuff that you're writing and putting out, and it's crazy. [00:35:09] Speaker B: And I remember talking to Rusty about it probably three years ago, two years ago. But it's like, you. I didn't realize how much of a muscle songwriting is and how much you truly do get better each year. Like, the songs I wrote last year, I'll listen to, and I'll be like. Like, those were awful, but funny listening. Like, if I heard those three years ago, I'd have been like, those are awesome. But, like, looking back, I'm like, it's just crazy. Like, the growth every single year that I see. And it's so funny because I know it's gonna be like that until, like, even 10 years down the road and everything. But it is wild to see such a difference from, like, that first song I put out, I do two. Six years ago, maybe. I don't know. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah, five years. Five years ago. Yeah. [00:35:53] Speaker B: And to, like, the songs I'm writing now that thank God, but, like, are actually being held and cut by people that I looked up to growing up, which is crazy. But, yeah, it's just wild to see, like, the growth in that and how much you can change as a writer and an artist. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Yeah. One of your biggest songs is actually a demo of Wedding Dress. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that one, too. That had a moment on Instagram and TikTok recently. Actually, last year. That song was really special. We played it at the event last night, and it was really special. But after my breakup forever, I was on the phone with my best friend, and she was like, avery, this is all gonna make sense when we're tying of your wedding dress. And I was like, oh, need to write that. So, of course I called Ryan and Olivia I was like, we need to write this. And I brought in that idea that day. And then, yeah, it did really well on TikTok and whatever. So that's actually a funny story because I had another song called Done that I wrote after, like, a bottle of wine on that retreat back in Georgia with all my girls. You could. If you listen to the demo of that original vocal, I hope it never sees the light of day. You can hear the bottle of wine in that demo. [00:37:05] Speaker A: It's awesome. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Oh, so awful. But anyway, that song was originally the last song on the project, and I was thinking whether to put it out or not, because I was like, I really spoke the truth in this song, and, like, I don't want to come off as, like, me inviting me. And so I was thinking about it forever. I was like, should I put this song out? I don't know. And then I was like, lord, if I'm not supposed to put this song out, give me another song to put out. And my sister was like, hey, you should post wedding dress on TikTok and see what it does. And I posted it, and it did, like, 1.1 million views. And then the other videos got, like, half a mil, and I was like, okay, Lord. Like, maybe I should put this one out. And thank God I did, because, yeah, I just flipped the two songs and then put out the project. [00:37:49] Speaker A: What's it like knowing that millions of people see a video? Like, what's that high, that dopamine rush? Like, because we've had a couple things go viral, a lot of it's, like, our crazy stuff that we get at the festivals, like, Auburn Rodeo with, like, people chugging their. Their homemade cocktails out of their bucket. The Borgs, the Blackout Gallons. Or, like, it's a lot of, like, the silly stuff for me, jumping into, like, a cold plunge with Gavin Adcock backstage. Like, it's the silly stuff that does well for us. But for you, like, you've had it happen quite a few times now. What's that dopamine rush like? And then what's. What's it feel like when you think it's gonna go, but it doesn't? [00:38:24] Speaker B: It's wild. It definitely is crazy. I think the first time it was put into perspective for me was in, like, 2022, maybe. I was at Passion, that, like, worship conference in Atlanta, and there was 70, 000 people there. And I think that's how many followers I had at the time. And I looked around, and I was like, this is how many people are following me. I was like, this is crazy. And then I thought about, like. And then I looked up. I was like, okay, now what? Like, what does it look like on a map of 1 million people? Like, the zoom out of that. And I looked at. I was like, that's insane. Like, that many people have seen the video or looked at my music or whatever. And it is wild. It's like. It reminds me that even though comparison is such a thing and there's people who have millions of followers and whatever, it's like, that is still a massive chunk of people that are looking at my stuff and listening to my music. But anyway, it's awesome when you get that video to do well. And it's funny because four years ago, if you got a video to get 1.1 mil, people would keep coming back for months waiting for the song to come out. Now if you. If a video gets 1 million views, they see it once and they move on. Like, our attention span is so short now. Not that it doesn't matter, because it does matter, but it does not matter as much as it did back then. Like, you could ride the success of that for much longer than you can now. Like, I've had videos do well now where if they did that well in 2022, I think I would be in a much different place, artist wise. And I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that's, like, the name of the game right now, which is crazy. But I definitely have to take Tick Tock with a grain of salt because, like, behind the curtain in the songwriting world, too, there's so many good, awesome things going on that nobody obviously knows about, because I don't post the songwriting stuff on Tick Tock. So it's like, if I'm upset over, oh, this isn't doing well, or why aren't people listening to this? Artist wise, I just pull back the curtain. I'm like, all right. Songwriting wise, there are so many good things and so many blessings to come, where I'm like, everything's gonna work out. Like, it is all gonna be good at the end of the day. But, yeah, that's awesome. [00:40:40] Speaker A: That's good stuff right there. Like, because it is. It is wild. Like, you're. You've come up in an era that never existed before. Like, the idea, because there was vine back in the day, but those were even shorter videos, you know, and six seconds. Yeah. Did you have a Vine? Or was that. [00:40:55] Speaker B: I shouldn't have, but I definitely did. Like, I was probably, like, in fourth grade. Like, who let me have a Vine Yeah. [00:41:02] Speaker A: What were. Well, because you're. You were born, what, in 2003. You're born. Oh, three. I was 95, so I was a little before you. Yeah, but it's like, growing up then, I'm trying to think, like, did you go to Blockbuster and stuff? [00:41:14] Speaker B: Like, I remember the day they closed down the last Blockbuster in my town. [00:41:18] Speaker A: Wow. [00:41:18] Speaker B: Like, kind of recently, Like, I want to say like, six years ago, but yeah. I remember growing up when I was really little and running around Blockbuster. [00:41:26] Speaker A: And Blockbuster, you had, like. You watched TV? Not quite. YouTube. [00:41:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:30] Speaker A: You weren't quite an iPad kid. This kind of came after you. [00:41:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I. My dad worked for AT&T, so I got a phone when I was pretty young. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Nice. [00:41:38] Speaker B: I know. Score. [00:41:40] Speaker A: What was your first phone, do you remember? [00:41:41] Speaker B: Oh, it was like. I don't even remember. I think it was the. Whatever iPhone 3 version. It was. But it was, like, had round edges, and it was crazy to look. [00:41:53] Speaker A: I had. I had the flip phone, actually. [00:41:55] Speaker B: I never had. [00:41:55] Speaker A: I had the Nextel, the walkie talkie. [00:41:58] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:41:58] Speaker A: The rugged thing where it's like, if you threw it off a roof, it [00:42:01] Speaker B: would still survive, which I wish they were still like that, because if I drop this two feet, it's breaking. [00:42:06] Speaker A: They make so much money on the phones now that they got to make them break, so then we can replace. [00:42:10] Speaker B: I have a theory. Yeah, it's. [00:42:12] Speaker A: What's your theory? [00:42:13] Speaker B: Oh, it is all rigged. This is a new phone as of last week. And every two years, my phone starts glitching out, starts overheating, starts crashing out. I'm like, this is Apple making my phone break down so I can go buy a new one. And I fall for it every single time. [00:42:29] Speaker A: Are you still with AT&T? [00:42:30] Speaker B: Yes. My dad's worked for them for, like, 25 years. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm an. I'm an AT&T guy as well. [00:42:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. We've been with them my whole life. [00:42:37] Speaker A: I feel like if you're in the south, you gotta have. That's the one, that 100 back in New York, it was Verizon, and then. [00:42:43] Speaker B: Really? [00:42:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it was Verizon, I feel like. Because back then it was, like, regionally, like, it would be stronger in certain areas. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Fair. I didn't think about that. [00:42:50] Speaker A: You know, like, down here you have the AT T tower that goes off the. Goes off the. The building. The Batman building. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:57] Speaker A: Do you go down on Broadway a lot? Are you much. Are you at all a Broadway person? Or is it only when friends come to town? [00:43:02] Speaker B: You will see me. I'm in town. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Oh, I know, I know. I see you in Midtown. [00:43:05] Speaker B: Unfortunately, I do not go to Broadway a lot unless my friend has a show or like, even when my friends come in town. Like my friends who are still in college, I take them to Red Door Odies. I take them to Midtown or rooftop somewhere. [00:43:21] Speaker A: Are you in east at all? [00:43:22] Speaker B: I actually lived in east for a year and a half last year and I loved it. Yeah. But if we go out, it's either Midtown. Skinny Dennis, I was going to say. [00:43:32] Speaker A: That's. I was going to say, like, Skinny Dennis is like having a moment right now as a bar. And I think OD's is too. So it's like we're. We're going to be announcing. I think it'll be. It'll be announced by the time we. By the time we get this episode out. We're doing a. Our first race Rowdy East Nashville pop up event. [00:43:51] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [00:43:51] Speaker A: At Skinny Dennis. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Oh, that's going to be awesome. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be Nikki T's quarterback in that whole thing. So I. I can just go there and hang, which will be. [00:43:59] Speaker B: You're like, I'm just gonna come up. [00:44:00] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't have to get on stage or do anything. It's gonna be awesome. But the event's gonna be called West Turnt and it's gonna be. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Y' all have the best names. [00:44:08] Speaker A: That's a Nikki T1 that, that's Shout out to Nikki. I think I. It was me, Nick, our buddy Andrew who works over at caa, and our friend Amy who works over at Play It Again. And we were at an Ian Muncick concert in Rome, Georgia, at the Old Brew House, or Peaches, I think is what it's called now. And we were at the. The Mellow Mushroom, getting pizza and having drinks before. And we. Amy, I think, said, we're getting less turnt. We're getting less turnt tonight because it's even Munson Nick. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:36] Speaker A: That's got to go on a shirt. And so it's going to be like a round style and we're going to have accompaniment with it. So Kurt's doing the first one. So it'll be Kurt on pedal steel playing alongside the two rounds. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Oh, that'll be awesome. [00:44:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Let me know when this is coming. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Yeah, and then we'll do one. I think we're going to do it like once a month or every other month and have a different. Have a different, like, band guy or girl. Like, we could get like a fiddle player or get like a mandolin player. And it's just like a quick, like 6 to 8 o', clock, like, happy hour time event before the night gets going. So we're interested to see how that goes. [00:45:08] Speaker B: I will be there. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Because I've never been an East Nashville person. I've never. I've always felt more. I'm also a bro from New York, though, you know, I'm not. [00:45:16] Speaker B: You're not gonna like. [00:45:17] Speaker A: I'm not. [00:45:17] Speaker B: No. [00:45:18] Speaker A: But I have found my. Some of my favorite nights out recently have been at Skinny Dennis and going to Texas, too, and watching what Delaney and Aniston are doing. [00:45:27] Speaker B: They're crushing. [00:45:27] Speaker A: As someone who has hosted events here for coming up on seven years now, one of my favorite events in town right now is Texas, too. I love what they're doing at the Underdog. Dell and Annie are killing it. [00:45:38] Speaker B: They're crushing it. I literally love Aniston and Dell to death. They're awesome. I know. The first time I went to, like, the second one, I think I showed up. I couldn't even move. There was like. It was. [00:45:48] Speaker A: We were just at the last one they did. We were. We were all there. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Yes. I was in flip flops in a sweatset because I didn't plan on coming, so I threw on a hat, flip flops and a sweatset. And I was like, no One look at me. I was like, I should not be here. The bar and flip flops. That's crazy. [00:46:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:03] Speaker B: But, yeah, it was so fun. They're literally crushing it. Aniston's the best. [00:46:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And she's had. They're both having moments right now. [00:46:10] Speaker B: They're both crushing it. Where was I? I heard Delaney's name thrown a couple of times at the Listening room the other night when Carly Pierce did her song Suffragettes thing. But, yeah, she wrote an awesome song with Belle France, who's awesome. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:25] Speaker B: But I was like, they're just crushing it. And it's so crazy because coming to town, even kind of to back up coming to town, I always thought the girls were going to be sharks and I was gonna have to compete and I. And there were gonna be a lot of mean girls. For some reason, my class is the most supportive, awesome. Like, they will root for you. And it's almost like there's. Everyone just thinks there's space for everyone. Because there is. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Instead of being like, like, so competitive about it. But all those girls are just the best. [00:46:54] Speaker A: Well, I have a theory that I think it's because it's it's changed so much. And radio is obviously still a huge thing. It's a way that. It's the way that songwriters truly make money on the music is. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:04] Speaker A: Having a hit, you know, and all that. But that was how you had to break an artist was you had to be on a tour and you had to be on the radio and your CD had to be at Walmart or Target or whatever. Now it's. There's so much room and there's so many different flavors to where everybody can. Can win. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Yeah. It is crazy. And it's. It's awesome, honestly. But that's true. I never really thought about that. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:29] Speaker B: There's, like more space and more. Not availability, but I think. [00:47:34] Speaker A: I think there definitely is availability. And I think that the. There's more people getting signed to publishing deals. There's more people, like the label rosters are bigger than they've ever been. That's, you know, like, they really are because it's. They. You don't just have to have one or two artists that are bringing in all the money. You can have it from a bunch of different sources. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:55] Speaker A: And there's so many festivals now. And there's so many. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker A: The club shows are in a weird spot. I'm hoping those come back because that was how I came up, was going to small towns. Like, I remember going to the Buckhead Theater. We're talking about Mount Roswell. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Wild. [00:48:08] Speaker A: I'm a Buckhead theater. It was my. That was actually where I met Wales. Tony. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Really? [00:48:13] Speaker A: Media. Yeah. So that's crazy. That was my. Maybe within my first month of being out with the Muscadine guys. And it was Muscadine Bloodline headlining. And then it was Job Fortner and Jordan Fletcher. And Jordan Fletcher wrecked Muscadine's old sprinter van on the way down, which that sprinter van was given a Muscadine by Luke Combs, because that was Luke's old sprinter van. [00:48:37] Speaker B: I love. This is just the magic of Luke's [00:48:39] Speaker A: hand me down sprinter van. Went to Muscle Muscadine. Then Muscadine gave it to Jordan. And Jordan used to drive because Jordan used to ride around and follow Muscadine around in his pickup truck with a camper on the back like a. Like a. Like a bed. Like a bed camper. And Jordan would open the shows and sleep in his truck. That's crazy because Jordan used to sell merch for Gary and Charlie, too. That was his first gig in town. [00:48:59] Speaker B: That's wild. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Things have come so far. [00:49:02] Speaker A: Yeah. But. But I miss those days of going to the clubs, you know, like when Statesboro was thriving with national acts, you know, and. And when Rome was going, like, Georgia as a whole, like, just so much music, so much the Georgia Theater, the 40 watt, the. What was it? Blue Water down in Valdosta, you know, like, so many clubs and venues. And I'm hoping we get back to that, because it's like, I look at where you're at, I look at where Grace is at, I look at where Eli's at, like a lot of your homes. Look where Tommy's at, like. Like JD's going, like. And it's like, oh, you guys, like, you need opportunities to get out there and play. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:41] Speaker A: And it's like the festival side stages are that. But wouldn't it be cool to just get you guys on? Like, you're doing these writers, these rounds out of town, which are awesome. But it's like, wouldn't it be cool to get those, like, club runs, you know, like you guys all going out together. Because that's what it used to be. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it would be. And I. I have this gut feeling, especially with just the group I run around town with, like, that's what we love. And eventually we will do something. I literally. It's so crazy I was talking about this with Grace in the car this morning, but it's like, it would be so awesome if we could just all pack up and just take a tour and stop at certain places. [00:50:17] Speaker A: That's what it used to be. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:19] Speaker A: Muscadine's first. One of. Some of their first national touring. I know they were part of the Corey Smith system, where everybody toured with Corey Smith back in the. [00:50:27] Speaker B: The day. [00:50:27] Speaker A: Everybody toward. With Cory, but they. They were buddies with Luke, with Luke Combs from playing at Revival. And then Luke brought him out to open for him. You know, it's just. It was the friend thing to do. Like, when I was working for them, it was. We had. We had the revolving door of like, Job Fortner or Jordan Fletcher or Tyler Halverson. You know, it was all their homies. With Trey, it was. Ella was our opener. You know, it was like Ella or it was Alex Maxwell or it was like, like. Or it was Clay Barker or Matt mckinney. [00:50:57] Speaker B: Like, it was. [00:50:58] Speaker A: You brought your friends out on the road with you and you still see that a little bit. Like, you see like Tucker Wetmore bringing out Jacob Hackworth and things like that. But it's like, God, it would be so fun for you guys to do a run that went through, like, one weekend was, like, through the Carolinas. One weekend was through Georgia. One weekend was through East Texas. [00:51:15] Speaker B: We could so do that. [00:51:16] Speaker A: We can hit so much. It'd be so much fun. And it's like each of you headlines the run in your respective states, but then you guys open, like, planning this in my head. Yeah. But it's just people aren't buying the club show tickets, you know, it's. And the clubs aren't taking chances. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker A: You know, it's weird. Like, you were just in Knoxville. The Cotton Eye Joe. It's one of my favorite, favorite clubs in the world. Shout out to Chuck Lori. I think he still owns it, but it's like. And that was a spot where it was like, Wallen and Combs and. And Muscadine and Riley, and everybody came up playing there. [00:51:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:49] Speaker A: It's like, they're just not. Like, you guys just need the opportunities to get out there. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, that sounds. [00:51:55] Speaker A: I crave that, and I'm hoping that's, like, a goal for us with Raised Rowdy as we grow. And we're doing a lot of festivals this year. [00:52:02] Speaker B: I mean, y' all are crushing the event. [00:52:04] Speaker A: Thank you. You're crushing it, too. But it's like, I want. The ultimate thing for us is giving back to the artists, you know, and it's getting eyes on the people that we think deserve to have eyes on them and that we love watching grow in the scene. And you're a huge part of that. You know, if it weren't for girls like you and. And guys like, your homies and, like, the young artists that are coming up, we wouldn't have Raised Rowdy, you know? Well, it's literally made. [00:52:27] Speaker B: We don't have somewhere to play without you. [00:52:28] Speaker A: It's literally. It's literally. It's an ecosystem, you know? [00:52:31] Speaker B: It is. It really is. Yeah. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Yeah. It's special. So what do we have? Looking forward to. We were talking a little bit about some new music. [00:52:38] Speaker B: Yes. I am probably not gonna put out much myself this year just because travel is so crazy, but so awesome. [00:52:46] Speaker A: But travels. Talk about travel real quick. We're taking vacations. [00:52:50] Speaker B: There's a lot of writers, Writers retreats, writer treats. Rounds. Rounds that turns into kind of writers retreats. But, like, it was so funny. I remember two and a half years ago, I literally was, like, journaling, and I was like, I just want to be gone every weekend. And so tired from traveling. And, like, I look at my calendar, I will be gone every single weekend until mid July. I think my first weekend is back in Nashville, and it's just so crazy. But anyway, I'm doing a lot of, like, for example, and just, like, small things. Like, we went to go see Ashley Ann play Open for Avery Anna and chat. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Yeah, you want to go support your homies. That's so important. [00:53:29] Speaker B: And it's so fun. And, like, that's what it's all about. And then we went to Charleston to write for. We. We didn't write much, but. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Was that the JD house party? I remember JD telling me being like, man, my parents are gone for the weekend. I'm taking everybody to Charleston. I'm like, you have fun, jd. Godspeed. I hope you survive. [00:53:45] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. And we did. We had a blast. Like, Tommy was such a trooper. [00:53:48] Speaker A: Y' all were out on the. Y' all were out on the boat. [00:53:49] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. It was so. Oh, my God, it was the best time ever. But, like, just things like that and even just spending time with them and writing, if we can. But I've been doing a lot of rounds, like, I did around, obviously, in New York, Knoxville, and we're planning one, hopefully for, like, Nantucket, Cape Cod, because this is kind of what I did this in. Every year, I do a vision board, and I put a bunch of places I want to visit on, like, just for travel wise, on my vision board. And then I think about it and I'm like, okay, now where can I play in these, like, places and just travel and visit? And then somehow it always happens to where I always end up playing in those places. So we're just, like, planning things like that for this year. Might do another one in Florida, but my favorite thing is playing rounds out of town. And I love shows, but it's just amazing. Like, for example, the round in New York, it sold out. No one has ever seen a writer's round before. Like, when I tell you they were, like, just locked in. No one said a word. The room was packed. You couldn't step anywhere. And they were, like, so involved and so interested in what was going on and the story behind each song. And it's like, I love Nashville, but sometimes, even when you're at the listening room, sometimes people will yap and chat and listening room Bluebird are awesome. And that's the places that will obviously, like, be the most quiet. [00:55:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:12] Speaker B: But it's just so special getting to, like, take it out of town. And people are like, whoa, I've never seen this before. Like, this is so awesome. So just trying to do more of that around the country. And then writers Trips. Me and Grace are going to LA before Olivia's wedding and writing in la, which is going to be so exciting. [00:55:29] Speaker A: Have you ever been out there before? [00:55:30] Speaker B: No, I've been out there to, like, fly in and fly out, but I've never stayed, like, in la. So we're gonna do that and write with some, like, LA producers and people there before Olivia gets married. And then. Yeah, I think there's. What other writers trip. I don't even know. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Are you key westing it this year? [00:55:48] Speaker B: Oh, I'm key westing it. [00:55:51] Speaker A: This will be our second year. Not going. We're going rock the country. [00:55:55] Speaker B: I'm gonna cry. [00:55:56] Speaker A: I'm in Texas. [00:55:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:55:57] Speaker A: I'm hosting. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Tommy was telling me. [00:55:59] Speaker A: Yeah, Tom. [00:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah, Tommy's either. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Tommy's playing, Connor's playing. I think Cali's on that one. Yeah, we'll be. I'll be in middle of nowhere Texas. [00:56:07] Speaker B: That'll be so fun. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Which will be fun. Yeah. And last year we missed it because I was hosting at the Caf Fry Festival in Stillwater, Oklahoma. So it's like, we have. We're so busy with. [00:56:16] Speaker B: You'll need a block off next year to go. Yeah, this year is going to be the year. [00:56:20] Speaker A: I know, I know. And it's like, we're such a big part of getting to watch you guys all come up. So now it's like you guys are the veterans down there. [00:56:28] Speaker B: That's. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Isn't it crazy because this will be, what, year three for you? [00:56:31] Speaker B: This was year. This is year two for me. Key west also. [00:56:35] Speaker A: We haven't been down there the same time. [00:56:37] Speaker B: No, we haven't. It was crazy. The first year I was supposed to go, Leslie called me and she's like, hey, White Claw wants to sponsor you or do a little sponsorship. And I was like, hey, I'm 20. I was like, I'm 20 years old. And then she called me. She's like, can you come in the office? I was like, yeah. And she's like, you can't go on this trip. We can't sponsor anyone that's under 21. I was like, okay, whatever. It's fine. I'm glad I waited, though, because last year was electric. And some of my favorite. [00:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Some of my. Some of my. Some of my favorite moments of, like, rounds and stuff have been in Key west because I did it for, I think, three years in a row. I think Nick went four years. [00:57:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:14] Speaker A: And we would bring Ike down there, and Ike just has a ball and so fun. You got to go to all the good food spots like Mr. Mr. Z's. Have you been there? The pizza. Pizza place that's open to like three in the morning. It saves lives. [00:57:26] Speaker B: Yes, I think we. I think I have actually. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Yeah. It's across from. [00:57:30] Speaker B: Oh, it saves lives is not an exaggeration. [00:57:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And they have the cheese steaks and they're just. And they're just douchebags from Philly, which is great because it reminds me of home. You know, you're like, I'm home. They're me mean people. But the food is great. I love Mr. Z's. [00:57:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:43] Speaker A: And then like the conch fritters and like you can get the key. The chocolate covered key lime pie on [00:57:48] Speaker B: a stick that I can't wait to go back. [00:57:50] Speaker A: Because we would always go for a week because we would have to get an Airbnb and. But you'd have to book it for a whole week. So we'd get down there a couple days before it would start and then we'd be there a couple days after everybody left. And it was like a marathon. We had, we had High Rise with us one year. The THC drinks. Oh, and they brought down. Yeah, they brought down cases of it and they, they left them with us at the Airbnb. We're like, we can't fly home with this. I got 10 cases of THC. So we just stayed at the Airbnb and I just, I just drank them. [00:58:20] Speaker B: That is hilarious. [00:58:21] Speaker A: Me and our buddy Jerry Ike sold roommate. We case raced High Rise. I drank like 20 THC seltzers. I just sat out at the pool by my Airbnb, at my Airbnb and chilled. I had, I, I passed out my sunglasses. I had the whole 10. My cigar, like fell on the ground. Awesome. [00:58:38] Speaker B: See, I think that was my mistake last year because I don't touch like any of that. I only drink and I. Because my body is just so anxious. So anytime, like, I'm like, I can't do that. So I literally drank two of them last year, not knowing that it was a high rise because I just thought it was a drink because they sponsored someone handed to me. I woke up and had the worst anxiety attack of my life. I was like, what was that? And of course you're just. It's on the last day of Key west and you're like, my body hasn't had water. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:09] Speaker B: I haven't taken care of myself in four days. Literally ended up in the ER last year. [00:59:13] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:59:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Not for like drinking. Like, I literally played around and I crossed my legs and I uncrossed my legs and I guess the bar. So I was sitting in. I like, cut off circulation in my right leg. And I looked down and my leg was so swollen. And everyone's like, queen, if you have a blood clot, like, you can't fly. So I was like. I dragged Madison to the ER with [00:59:33] Speaker A: me to, like, trip Key west er. [00:59:35] Speaker B: The Key west er. And then where do we go right after that? The smack Number one party. We hit the bars right after. But yeah, just so many funny stories from that trip and can't wait to run it back. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we're. Yeah, we'll have to. We'll have to mark on the calendar and see. See how the festival thing goes and just block off that week. [00:59:51] Speaker B: Y' all have. Have to. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Because it's like we used to do the rounds at. At Island Dogs. [00:59:56] Speaker B: We did the happy hour and we [00:59:57] Speaker A: did during happy hour. So we would do Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and we do them from like 4, 3 or 4 to 7, I want to say, or 8. And we had like, the people that were coming up. It was like the folks that were where you guys are, you know, it's like where. Where it's a lot of the kids that are coming up and have the deal. So it was like. It was Ella, it was Johnny, it was like the old homie. It was Hackworth and Heath Warren. When. When. When Rocking A Hard Place was number one, you know, it was. So it's like you get to experience moments down there and it's. Yeah, it's like songwriter spring break. [01:00:30] Speaker B: It is. It's literally songwriter spring break. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So who all from your crew's going? Is it like your whole crew going? [01:00:35] Speaker B: Everybody except Tommy, which I feel bad. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:39] Speaker B: Next year. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:40] Speaker B: Because he'll. [01:00:40] Speaker A: But we'll take good care of him. [01:00:41] Speaker B: Take good care of him. [01:00:43] Speaker A: He'll be with me and Ike and Nick in Texas. [01:00:46] Speaker B: I know. I feel so bad. Make sure he has a good time because we keep talking about it every time we hang out, and then he's just like. I'm like, sorry, King, but I might have to do. [01:00:54] Speaker A: I might have to find a way to get, like, a frozen drink machine or something like. Or get like a kiddie pool. Do something. Please do something. Do some, like, Key west bit. But we're in, like, middle of nowhere, Barren, Texas. Please. [01:01:06] Speaker B: Get a kitty pool in a pina colada. I would lose it. [01:01:09] Speaker A: That would be a elite content. [01:01:11] Speaker B: Get him sunglasses. [01:01:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Razor outy Key West. And I got Tommy sitting in a Lawn chair with his feet in a kiddie pool. [01:01:17] Speaker B: I would die. Please. [01:01:18] Speaker A: We might have to do that. [01:01:19] Speaker B: You actually have to. That's hilarious. Because I feel so bad every time we talk about it. Like, we are so excited. [01:01:25] Speaker A: As you should. [01:01:26] Speaker B: And then he's just like, should I? Because he thought about it, he's like, should I fly to Key west on Wednesday, fly to Texas on Friday morning, then fly back right after my show and stay in Key west for another day? I'm like, like, no. I'm like, grace did that last year and it was crazy. [01:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah. You want? Yeah. And then are you guys flying into Key west or are you guys flying into Miami and then doing the drive? [01:01:48] Speaker B: So I. We're kind of split up because I'm flying from Atlanta to Key west directly and then I think staying an extra day and then flying back to Atlanta. But most. I think the boys are doing the drive. So it's going to be Eli, J.D. [01:02:02] Speaker A: oh, the whole drive or Miami to [01:02:04] Speaker B: drive the whole drive. [01:02:05] Speaker A: Okay. I've had buddies, Mark Orient and all those guys used to do that there. [01:02:09] Speaker B: It's Aiden Walters, Eli JD And Benjamin. I forget his last name, but everyone calls him Benjamin. They're driving. They're driving the full 13 hours praying over there. [01:02:22] Speaker A: It's not 13 hours. [01:02:23] Speaker B: It's farther than that. Right. [01:02:25] Speaker A: It's like. It's a full day. It's like 24. Yeah. [01:02:28] Speaker B: I don't think they know. [01:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a 24 hour drive. Yeah. You split it up. The way you normally do it is you bring four to five people and you split it up and do chunks. So you do like four or five hours. Four or five hours. This guy. Four or five hours. That guy. So Mark Orient, who's been an EMT forever, used to take. It would be Mark. It'd be Eli Lock. Nick deleo. [01:02:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:49] Speaker A: Jadis came down with him one year. I'm trying to think like, who else? Baker, Grissom. They would pack like five or six in. But Mark would also bring down all of his IV stuff. So Mark would be giving IVs to people in his condo. [01:03:03] Speaker B: Could have used that last year. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Yes. But they do the drive where it's like 24 hours. And because we. We sent them back, we had them bring a bunch of our merch down last year. So we'd have to ship it or two years ago. [01:03:15] Speaker B: That is. [01:03:16] Speaker A: They drive. They drive a truck. They drive a truck in a trailer from Nashville all the way down because. [01:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's iconic. [01:03:22] Speaker A: And then the last part of the drive. You're just on that. On that causeway in between mainland Florida and Key west. And there's nothing. It's just the water. There's no. Yeah, yeah. So. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:03:32] Speaker A: For the faint of heart. [01:03:33] Speaker B: I need to let them know that it is going to be brutal. [01:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah. It's 48 hours of driving. It's full. Two days of driving. It's like driving in California or not quite California. It's probably like Colorado or Arizona. I mean, it's a haul. It's farther than driving to New York from here. That's double. It's like double the drive to New York. [01:03:54] Speaker B: It's worth. The flight is worth. [01:03:55] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. Yeah. [01:03:57] Speaker B: And it was cheaper through Atlanta, thank God, because I'll be. Olivia's bachelorette is in the Bahamas the week before. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [01:04:04] Speaker B: I'm just going to be bendering it for two weeks. And then we almost did Scottsdale after Key west, and I was like, what [01:04:10] Speaker A: are you guys going to do in Scottsdale? [01:04:10] Speaker B: We're going to go on a writer's retreat. But it just didn't. [01:04:13] Speaker A: A writer's retreat in Scottsdale? [01:04:15] Speaker B: I think we would have got stuff done on that one. It was with Emmy, Elliot, Clara, and Olivia, and we were talking about it, and then I was like, ain't no way after the Bahamas. And then I have a wedding in between the Bahamas and Key West. So I'll be the Bahamas, Greenville, and then Key West. But I literally was like, this is just gonna be the most insane two weeks ever. [01:04:36] Speaker A: It's gonna be fun. Yeah. That's how I look at all of our festival back to backs. [01:04:40] Speaker B: Like, oh, yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Every weekend. I have one weekend free in June, cma, which is CMA Fest. So it's not really. [01:04:47] Speaker B: So you're not. [01:04:48] Speaker A: And yeah, and then I'm back to back. I've got. I've got tailgate and Tall boys and then rock. Or I've got Rock the south, then tailgate and Tall boys, then Rock the Country and say, South Dakota all back to back to back. July is like the same thing where it's back to back to back. And then August is back to back to back. And then September, we'll have a few. We'll add on some fall stuff as well. Yeah. We're looking at like 15 to 20 out of town things for Ike and I this year, which is good. [01:05:13] Speaker B: You know, it's good. It's good. It's like we pray for days like this, and then we're exhausted and I'm like, yeah. [01:05:19] Speaker A: And luckily, luckily, we're flying through a lot of them, but there'll be some. I'm driving with the trailer. My tour manager. Yeah, I drive my Toyota Tacoma Ike in the front seat, the merch sellers in the back seat, and a 6x12U haul trailer with a ton of hats and T shirts and surfside and other contraband riding to wherever. [01:05:39] Speaker B: That is crazy. That is so funny. [01:05:41] Speaker A: It's wild. So talk about the new music we got coming. [01:05:44] Speaker B: So the one song I have coming out is with Scoot Teasley. I'm featuring on a song we wrote called Half Gone. [01:05:48] Speaker A: Love Scoot, by the way. [01:05:50] Speaker B: Awesome. We just did the music video for it last week, and it was just so fun. [01:05:54] Speaker A: When I first met him, he was such a quiet kid. Now he is like, he's the homie. Like, he's funny. He's hilarious. [01:06:02] Speaker B: He went to school. He didn't know my best. One of my best friends, Gabby, but they both went to UNG and then he dropped out. So I was like, do you know Gabby? But small world. But anyway, we. He, I guess, found me on TikTok, like, three years ago. And then I think we followed each other. I don't even know. We connected somehow. And then we had a day on the calendar. I think our publishers booked and his manager booked, and it was the only time we ever wrote. But we wrote this song called Half Gone, and we were like, wait, I really like this song. And then he wanted to put out a duet eventually, apparently. And then it literally just kind of happened so easily and seamlessly. But, yeah, it's been so funny. So anyway, I have that song coming out with him this year, but it's been hilarious because I've kind of become the duet girl, which I love, which is awesome. But it's. It's funny because I'm in a spot where I'm, like, a baby artist, and I'm working with a lot of guy artists who are around, like. Like, above me, a little bit above me when it comes to the artist thing. So when we write a duet, they're like, do you just want to be on it? And I'm like, I cannot have seven duets come out this year. Like, it's so funny. Me and Scott Wolverton are talking about doing one. [01:07:15] Speaker A: That'd be a great combo. I love Scotty. [01:07:17] Speaker B: I love him. [01:07:18] Speaker A: That'd be. That'd be a great. I mean, honestly, I. I don't think it hurts. [01:07:22] Speaker B: No, it hurts. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Especially if you're a writer on the Song. [01:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:26] Speaker A: Because if you. The thing about a duet is when you look at the live show, it's like, you can still. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:31] Speaker A: Do it, you know, Like. Like, Ella still does. You still would do the Strangers with Cameron Marlo, and that's been a fixture in her show forever. You know, that's why we fight with CO or any of the Riley songs. [01:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:45] Speaker A: Duets can still be featured in the live show as your career grows. So I don't think it hurts at all. [01:07:50] Speaker B: I don't think it does. It's just so funny because everyone's like, do you just. Like, is this just what you do? Like, is this how you get your cuts? Like, which is so funny because I think if, like, even Tommy and I wrote one that ended up being a duet, and I'm like, okay, you need to find somebody else who's gonna push you a little farther along. I truly, like, I would love to be on it, but, like, I cannot do a seventh duet this year, like, with love. But obviously, I would love to be on it, but, like, I would say yes to anyone who asked that. But it's so funny. I've just become, like, the duet girl. Everyone's like, oh, is that Avery on it? Yeah. Figured me and Patrick Murphy and my friend Jake always ride a duet together. Now it's literally just, like, in the calendar, like, every month, we're getting in to write another duet, which is so funny, but we love it. [01:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. What advice would you give to that girl that moved here when she was 18? Looking back on, because. Yeah, that was. What now? That was 2021. You moved here 2022. 2022. Like, what would you tell that girl that's got her fresh fake ID popping out to live o ready to go? Not drinking, but what's something. Knowing what you know now, like, thinking back to how you felt back then, what would you tell? [01:09:01] Speaker B: That I would tell myself to trust my gut and not overthink so much, especially when it comes to a lot of the people I met and things. Like when I. Like, for example, when I met Grace and Olivia, like, instantly, I was like, these are my people. [01:09:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:16] Speaker B: And it's like. It's just. I wish I would have trusted my gut more in certain scenarios in the beginning. And also, I would have told myself not to stress out over my publishing deal. I. Which. And it's literally the biggest blessing in the whole wide world. But those months, like, those nine months when I was just dating around, I. There were nights where I would just cry and cry and cry, because I would be like, it's not happening now. It's. Why isn't this happening? What's going on? Like, I don't know what this meeting meant or I don't know this meeting meant. And I would just tell myself to enjoy that time. [01:09:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:51] Speaker B: Like, instead of stressing out over all the good things that were happening, just, like, be where my feet are, be present in the moment and enjoy it. Because I was even having a conversation with Joy Beth once about this. But it was when everything must have been, like, a year ago. But it was when everything with her and Ella were starting to kind of, like, take off. And I remember she was like, avery, you're gonna miss those days so much. Because I know there's going to be a day when Grace is gone every weekend and we don't get to come home and be in the same house and drink a glass of wine and hang out. And so I would just. I would tell myself to just enjoy all of those moments and not stress out so much because, truly, it'll all work out. And the Lord didn't put me here to fail me. So just, like, holding on to that promise, too. [01:10:40] Speaker A: Amen. That's awesome. Well, hey, thank you so much for hanging out. This was a blast. [01:10:44] Speaker B: This was so fun. I'm so glad that I zoomed from Knoxville this morning. This was awesome. [01:10:49] Speaker A: Well, thank you so much. Appreciate you. Can't wait to introduce you on the Race Rowdy stage at Rock the Country in Bloomingdale, Georgia. That's going to be so much fun and excited to continue to watch where your. Where your career goes. And we're always here for you if you ever need anything. You know that. [01:11:07] Speaker B: All the best. Appreciate it. [01:11:09] Speaker A: Appreciate you all. Be sure to go check out our girl, Avery Bielski. And if you are anywhere in the Southeast or you're looking for a fun festival experience, come and party with us down in Bloomingdale, Georgia, this May. It's going to be insane. The lineup's crazy. I mean, Treaty Oaks on that thing as well. Aldean's on there. Brantley's on there. John Langston's headlining the side stage. One of those days, like, which is Georgia as hell. It's going to be such a good time. So. But y' all be sure to be on the lookout for new music coming from Avery. Check out Tick Tock, Instagram, all those great places. And for more on us, visit raise your eye.com for my girl, Avery Bielski. I'm apparel. This has been outside the round I never been the kind for still one place for too long I never been the best It's I love you too Girl I love only got a couple tricks on my sleeve they usually just make them leave so if you know me, if you really know me you know I'm just a two trick pony but maybe the drink and the lack of money for show I'm just a two trick pony, yeah.